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[JRCHOharry]

OK, as much as I am going to hate myself for asking but... Could someone send me these spoilers too (Just the Jacob ones please, I really want to avoid others as much as possible)?
Thanks!
EDIT: Cheers Asenza!

Wow. I don't think bad is the word to use here. It's hilarious, it must be complete b*ll*cks, there's no way Bioware would write something like that! It's just laughable...

Modifié par JRCHOharry, 11 novembre 2011 - 02:28 .

[Xilizhra]

Argh, I can't really stay away.

I'm not sure if "racist" is the right word here. I believe that the only reason this happened to Jacob in particular is Jacob's deep unpopularity, thus making it safest. Does it suck? Yes, for those who happened to like him. Could it have been avoided? Well, we'll see when we play the game. Does it match Jacob's character? To be honest... I never felt that I could get a good read of his character. Therein lies something of the irony of the romance; so many people praised him for asking Shepard how she was doing, and it's worthwhile, but it actually leads to him being understood slightly less.

On that note, however, I do have a song for you. The subject matter is a bit different, but it may fit your feelings.

[GameBoyish]

Xil, this is the Jacob Taylor FAN thread, go play in your Liara thread or Morinth thread or whatever thread you can be so proud of.

[Xilizhra]

By and large, I hate seeing people stir in misery over something they see as pointless. All I'm trying to do is find reasons for this.

[Asenza]

Xilizhra wrote...

Argh, I can't really stay away.

I'm not sure if "racist" is the right word here. I believe that the only reason this happened to Jacob in particular is Jacob's deep unpopularity, thus making it safest. Does it suck? Yes, for those who happened to like him. Could it have been avoided? Well, we'll see when we play the game. Does it match Jacob's character? To be honest... I never felt that I could get a good read of his character. Therein lies something of the irony of the romance; so many people praised him for asking Shepard how she was doing, and it's worthwhile, but it actually leads to him being understood slightly less.

Alright, lets go again.
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THIS POST  MIGHT HAVE SPOILERS***
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For Jacob to do what he might do, he either has to be - (the weakest excuse) a ninja bastard,  or a needy or highly manipulatable, emotional guy lacking confidence issues, or desperate for physical or emotional intimacy that Shepard somehow couldn't provide.

Given what we saw in ME2, it's just not there. There has to be a reason for it, and a damn good one (I don't think one will ever exist for this) but you just saying, "I couldn't get a good read of him" doesn't cut it. From ME2 we can tell he is honest to the point of being blunt, loyal to the overall cause of changing the galaxy- not the particular organzation that can help him achieve that goal- where or how does any of this indicate some instability? Where is a hint that the relationship between him and Shepard is already on the rocks, that danger lies ahead? He will actually break up with Shepard if she gets too set on trying to play psychologist, but if that doesn't happen, why wouldn't Jacob be happy?

I can tell you why- some writer wanted to work on Liara or Garrus who had much more screen time and vented their issues on Jacob.

Modifié par Asenza, 11 novembre 2011 - 03:18 .

[GameBoyish]

To Xil:
It is completely out of character for Jacob to do such a thing because he has said time and again that he hates beating around the bush.

Go start another thread so you could debate on the topic. We don't want to debate with you.

Modifié par TriviaAeducan, 11 novembre 2011 - 03:03 .

[Xilizhra]

For Jacob to do what he might do, he either has to be - (the weakest, excuse) a ninja bastard, or a needy or highly manipulatable, emotional guy lacking confidence issues, or desperate for physical or emotional intimacy that Shepard somehow couldn't provide.

Can we really say that right now, though? It seems we should wait for the actual game to make any final decisions on this; I'm sure that a reason will be provided. It's too much of a step for them not to.

[Asenza]

Xilizhra wrote...

For Jacob to do what he might do, he either has to be - (the weakest, excuse) a ninja bastard, or a needy or highly manipulatable, emotional guy lacking confidence issues, or desperate for physical or emotional intimacy that Shepard somehow couldn't provide.

Can we really say that right now, though? It seems we should wait for the actual game to make any final decisions on this; I'm sure that a reason will be provided. It's too much of a step for them not to.

I think we can. If they wreck his character for a single development then they're essentially ignoring what was previously established about him. That's what you do in sequels in which previous characters play a role- you work within the confines of what was previously established... which wasn't exactly done properly with Liara from ME1 to ME2. Or with Jacob from ME2 - ME3.

If Liara suddenly became wildly promiscuous, or Morinth utterly pious, well that's not development, that's derailment. Same with Jacob.

Modifié par Asenza, 11 novembre 2011 - 05:55 .

[jeweledleah]

they didn't have to do it quite that way. even if they didn't want to write continuation of the relationship - they didn't have to set him up as suddenly turned gutless sleazeball. they could have written in a breakup scene where they have an honest direct conversation. without assassinating his character. right now it plays out as if they didn't want to write a separate encounter for the people who romanced him. its Horizon all over again (with Kaidan and Ashley sharing each others lines etc) but much much worse.

[GameBoyish]

MUCH MUCH MUCH WORSE.

For those who haven't done it already, please re-tweet.

[CC-Tron]

jeweledleah wrote...

they didn't have to do it quite that way. even if they didn't want to write continuation of the relationship - they didn't have to set him up as suddenly turned gutless sleazeball. they could have written in a breakup scene where they have an honest direct conversation. without assassinating his character. right now it plays out as if they didn't want to write a separate encounter for the people who romanced him. its Horizon all over again (with Kaidan and Ashley sharing each others lines etc) but much much worse.

Isn't it better to know this now via spoilers rather than wait months to get the game and get suprised with this.  This explains why bioware said next to nothing about JT in ME3. Makes me wonder what they have in mind for Miranda and the rest. I may have to clean house in ME3 and make Shepard the sole survivor of the war.

[jeweledleah]

CC-Tron wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

they didn't have to do it quite that way. even if they didn't want to write continuation of the relationship - they didn't have to set him up as suddenly turned gutless sleazeball. they could have written in a breakup scene where they have an honest direct conversation. without assassinating his character. right now it plays out as if they didn't want to write a separate encounter for the people who romanced him. its Horizon all over again (with Kaidan and Ashley sharing each others lines etc) but much much worse.

Isn't it better to know this now via spoilers rather than wait months to get the game and get suprised with this.  This explains why bioware said next to nothing about JT in ME3. Makes me wonder what they have in mind for Miranda and the rest. I may have to clean house in ME3 and make Shepard the sole survivor of the war.

I have always found it to be better to know in advance.  so far everything I've read is making me very weary.

to summarize.. a lot of it sounds like something Saphra wuld have written

[PrinceLionheart]

I'm going to be cautious and say that Bioware is trolling people with some of these leaks, because frankly, a lot of these plotlines for characters like Jacob and Ashley/Kaidan are unforgivably idiotic. If it really turns out to be true, then it's become clear that Bioware is pandering to the "Aliens are the only good squadmates" posters on this site.

[Asenza]

jeweledleah wrote...

they didn't have to do it quite that way. even if they didn't want to write continuation of the relationship - they didn't have to set him up as suddenly turned gutless sleazeball. they could have written in a breakup scene where they have an honest direct conversation. without assassinating his character. right now it plays out as if they didn't want to write a separate encounter for the people who romanced him. its Horizon all over again (with Kaidan and Ashley sharing each others lines etc) but much much worse.

Especially considering it doesn't look like any other LI is sabatoging actively their relationship with Shepard. Especially seeing as Jacob is decided more non-white than the other supporting characters.


@ PrinceLionheart,

Not just pandering to Alienz iz Awesome crowd, but to the majority of the fanbase that delights in making fun of and degrading Jacob. He gets a lot of crap for Jennifer Hale's voice acting and his in game abilities, which really aren't fair. He certainly doesn't need the writers get on that bandwagon.

Modifié par Asenza, 11 novembre 2011 - 05:05 .

[Jackster94]

Stop saying it's character assassination . We only have the bare bones of the story

[Xilizhra]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

I'm going to be cautious and say that Bioware is trolling people with some of these leaks, because frankly, a lot of these plotlines for characters like Jacob and Ashley/Kaidan are unforgivably idiotic. If it really turns out to be true, then it's become clear that Bioware is pandering to the "Aliens are the only good squadmates" posters on this site.

The people who think that there's this huge trend of only liking aliens always seem to forget Miranda and Jack. Also perhaps James.

[Asenza]

Jackster94 wrote...

Stop saying it's character assassination . We only have the bare bones of the story

But the bare bones are absurd!

It'd be like seeing for the final scene, "And then Shepard and their LI will defeat the mass hordes of Reapers with teh pwoer of TWU LUV!"

Except that something like that is more likely to change from draft to draft. The only way they could do anything with this Jacob development is if they scrap it and come up with something way, way better.

And by better I don't mean sunshine and butterflies. Jacob and Shepard can have issues- they could even come close to breaking up or actually go through it, if somehow their dynamic changed and they disagree on something big. But not letting us see/participate in that breakdown of the relationship, only letting us see the aftermath, or walk in and be surprised by Jacob's sudden change of heart, well...

That is wrong. Especially when he's the only one to deliberately do something to destroy the relationship.

Modifié par Asenza, 11 novembre 2011 - 05:16 .

[ADLegend21]

I think the perfect way to sum up the leaks is being told that in a few months your best friend, lover, or children are get beat up and you're going to be restrained and forced to watch. Bioware does seem to be pandering to the fans who dis the human squadmates and tgout the alien squadmates as superior. It's like Quole, donotingest, or someonewithmass wrote thgis, sent it to bioware and macwalters and the writing team loved it.

[Xilizhra]

Bioware does seem to be pandering to the fans who dis the human squadmates and tgout the alien squadmates as superior.

Miranda. Jack. Kasumi. Zaeed. Simply being human is no guarantee of anything.

[Ryzaki]

Oh please with the this is understandable nonsense.

If it's understandable for Jacob than it should be understandable for Garrus or Tali to do some nonsense like this.

Well except it's not. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 11 novembre 2011 - 05:33 .

[Prince of Kemet]

I'll leave the tweeting to you guys and gals because it I tweet him, the first two words of my tweet would be .."Hey mutha*****"

[Asenza]

Prince of Kemet wrote...

I'll leave the tweeting to you guys and gals because it I tweet him, the first two words of my tweet would be .."Hey mutha*****"

Darn, I can't retweet AGAIN....

[Kaiser Shepard]

Can someone PM me the specifics of how Bioware butchered Jacob?

[Asenza]

Pennyball wrote...

Asenza wrote...

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 He will actually break up with Shepard if she gets too set on trying to play psychologist, but if that doesn't happen, why wouldn't Jacob be happy?

I can tell you why- some writer wanted to work on Liara or Garrus who had much more screen time and vented their issues on Jacob.

That's a bit weird - breaking up, just because someone cares and worries about you. Can you post an exact line, please?
Still, howewer closed he was in ME2, it doesn't make what he's going to do in ME3, believeable in any way.  
Maybe it's the "We screwed him up anyway, so we can screw him further" kind of thinking (that turn a blunt idealist into lying d*ck or unstable joke).

Hn. I'd have to find the line, I never pushed him to break up with Sheard so I don't know it. I think it was if you get too pushy... Someone has to have the transcript around here.