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[GameBoyish]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

TriviaAeducan wrote...

CastonFolarus wrote...
They will not just kick Jacobmancers to the curb. That or they will, and we'll have to hit'em with the good stuff.

That made me smile

Oh and somebody wanted to see Jacob dump a pushy FemShep?
Summary (slight exagerration)
"You okay Jacob?"
"Yeah. I don't hold on to the past."
"NOOO JACOB YOU MUST HAVE FEELINGS TOO I WANNA HELP"
"<_<"

He says he wants to be with Shepard BECAUSE SHE'S A SOLDIER TOO. That's another reason the *ME3 spoiler* is serious derailment!!!

PS: Jacobmancers, please thumbs up all available pro-Jacob comments at the video. Thumbs down the racist stuff. And the anti-Jacob stuff too. Add more positive comments if you wish.

PPS: Oh and are you sending tweets to Casey? Don't forget to mention #JacobIsTheGoodStuff

I've never really liked Jacob, apart from that one time he saved my life by lifting a Krogan. Although that was gameplay and out of character I tried to roleplay being grateful and he was just too... Jacob. and seemed a bit disrespectful compared to the rest of the lot. But he is extremely admirable in the video, if only that was actually reflected elsewhere (ie. you don'need his LM for him to get plot armour or something). I'm starting to appreciate how Jacob alleviates the "I'm Commander Shepard and I'm the centre of the universe" syndrome and might have to stop stonewalling him. Still dunno about a romance though, but that's femshep's fault more than anything...

Cool DevianTart Trivia.

Was.. that a jab?

[JeffZero]

CastonFolarus, that was a wonderful post. Thank you for sharing.

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

@Trivia I guess, but I'm certainly not calling you a tart if that's what you mean lol. I dunno I've always called it DevianTart.

[HK-90210]

@JeffZero
Thanks, it took about 30 minutes to write, but it felt really good to vent. Once I was done, I could see the spoilers with a clear and rational head, and realize that the chances of Bioware resolving the romance as the spoilers show us is remote.
 

Ieldra2 wrote...

All these ends are not exactly happy ends, but they are good ends. They leave you with hope, with a remembrance of happy times tinged with grief or something similar, but however sad the ending might be, they all feel meaningful.

Amen. I've never felt bitter about a story not having a 'sunshine and roses' ending. Those are great stories. I want Thane to live through ME3. But if he doesn't, it will still be an emotional part of the story when he dies, and my femsheps that romanced him will be permanently affected, both positively and negatively. It would be a mixed bag, but still worth having.

Ieldra2 wrote...
But so far, Bioware has never given anyone a downer ending, something that make you feel like you're the butt of a bad joke or some petty or vindictive streak on the part of the writer. What's in the spoiler files feels like that, and I will not believe it's final until I see it in the game.

Neither will I, but I still remain concerned. In the spoilers, BW hasn't treated any other character like Jacob, and it just feels really insulting. They made people care about a character, made them hope for something to happen in ME3. And to get what the spoilers indicate...I just don't see a reason for it. It just doesn't make sense, which is why I'm hoping I'm wrong.

 

Asenza wrote...

@CastonFolarus,

First off, nice post.

***Some spoilers might follow.***

You are right to say that we're taking this out of context, but how would the information we see here make sense in any context? Would it ever be alright if Tali or Garrus came up to Shepard in ME3 and was like, "You see, what had happened was... ?"

If you start out with, "Jacob does something deliberately that will break the relationship" how is it going to get better with more details, when we know that no other LI does something like that? It doesn't help that the bits and pieces of conversation included in the leak further damage his character as we knew him in ME2, not rationalize and explain his actions.

The other part about this information is that we, the players, would find all this out the same time Shepard does- when she finally meets Jacob again. There's no other way to put it. Shepard might not be completely railroaded out of the relationship, but we'll have to make our Shepard fight their way back into a relationship that was stable the last they saw of it, and that's assuming that anyone would want Jacob back, still.

It's not altogether a bad thing that Jacob does something none of the other LIs's do. That was always the case with his romance. What bothers me, in the end, is that Jacob seems to treat Femshep like crap, and there's no resolution or context.
 
I just don't see a way for Shepard to fight back into a relationship. From what I've seen, Jacob just calls it off, and it's over. End of romance. No payoff, no emotional break. Just...bad. And I can't reconcile that with the Bioware I know. This leads me to believe that the spoilers are wrong, or are missing some key elements that give context to what we've seen. We know they're incomplete and are an early rough draft. The fact that Jacob's romance, if it goes down like the spoilers say, feels like it would have been better off it he'd died on the SM is an indicator of just how bad this resolution is. I don't think this is the final version of the Jacob romance, but I'll be worried until that can be confirmed.

[GameBoyish]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

@Trivia I guess, but I'm certainly not calling you a tart if that's what you mean lol. I dunno I've always called it DevianTart.

Oh okay. Sorry about that And thanks I guess..?

In happier, Jacob relevant news...

He's the 7th Character on the Mass Effect Marathon 2 Character Leaderboard!

If you don't know what the charity is about, read this:
http://www.mookychic...-2-marathon.php (sorry about the wrong placement of the number 2, my editor did it )

I've donated several dollars in support of Jacob.

I wonder who donated the rest of the hundred plus or so under him...........

So if you have some spare cash in your PayPal.........
Or have good ole debt free set of credit cards 

Donate NOW

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New page =====> Jacob picture! <3

Modifié par TriviaAeducan, 12 novembre 2011 - 05:28 .

[Asenza]

Ridin' Solo... what are some other songs by unrepentant cheaters?

I wonder if someone had been listening to Usher's Confessions, part 2 when they were thinking about Jacob... even in Jacob sang it, I don't think it would help matters...

Ohh, I found a good song for a FemShep that romanced Jacob and maybe some Jacob fans as well... their feelings in response to all this;

I wish I could rip out a page of my memory
Cause I put too much energy in him and me
Can't wait till I get through this phase
Cause its killin' me
To bad we can't re-write our own history

Such a mystery when hes here with me
It's hard to believe I'm still lonely
Chances fading now, patience running out
This ain't how its supposed to be...

Modifié par Asenza, 12 novembre 2011 - 06:42 .

[JRCHOharry]

Asenza wrote...

Ridin' Solo... what are some other cheater songs?

Shaggy - It Wasn't Me

[SilentK]

Ehmm.. is it safe to come in here? I have tried really hard to remain spoiler-free.

[Darc_Requiem]

I was about to post something similar SilentK, except I was going to say this. "Is it safe to come in here? I have tried really hard to remain Xili free."

[Ryzaki]

lol Drac.

SilentK: Uh not safe I'd say.

[GameBoyish]

FROM NOW ON NO SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD.

Spoiler discussions go here.

[Asenza]

>_> can we rage without directly discussing the spoilers?

On another note, people in a few other threads who read about what happened were really shocked, a little disgusted and sympathetic towards us Jacob fans...

Modifié par Asenza, 12 novembre 2011 - 07:26 .

[GameBoyish]

Sure. Try your best not to mention the spoiler. I bet it's going to be a bit hard. You could freely discuss it over at the group.

[Asenza]

So, who here thinks that they didn't get female input on this... travesty of a development?

[k-baggs]

Asenza wrote...
On another note, people in a few other threads who read about what happened were really shocked, a little disgusted and sympathetic towards us Jacob fans...

Yeah, actually...I just hang out in the Garrus thread, but after I heard about Jacob, I wanted to pop in here and say...damn.  That isn't right.  I sure hope it goes different for Jacob in March.  

[jeweledleah]

Asenza wrote...

So, who here thinks that they didn't get female input on this... travesty of a development?

I actualy think they may have asked one.  a very bitter one, with bad experiences too fresh in her mind.

[Asenza]

jeweledleah wrote...

Asenza wrote...

So, who here thinks that they didn't get female input on this... travesty of a development?

I actualy think they may have asked one.  a very bitter one, with bad experiences too fresh in her mind.

Hn, perhaps.

But then why would they inflict that on us, on Shepard? Surely if that was the case, they would have a bit where Shepard scornfully dismisses Jacob in one of those- "I am woman, hear me roar, I don't need you, puny man" scenes.
Instead, it looked a lot more like she was trying to drag/wheedle him back into the relationship... like the way Shepard reaallly had to initiate the relationship in ME2 but a lot more forcefully and a lot more disturbing, considering, well...

Shepard would be basically fighting to get back what should have already been hers!

Modifié par Asenza, 12 novembre 2011 - 08:39 .

[jeweledleah]

hmm, good point. oh I don't know that whole situation is like someone was smoking something you cannot just buy at a grocery story and it was hitting them a little too hard O_O

[Asenza]

jeweledleah wrote...

hmm, good point. oh I don't know that whole situation is like someone was smoking something you cannot just buy at a grocery story and it was hitting them a little too hard O_O

Lol!

Or again, they were drawing straws to see which writers would work on what, and in what order decreasing amounts of funds would be allocated. Again, like in ME2, Jacob was at the end of the line.

The thing about the whole, "They must have been smoking something," thought, while highly plausible, is the issue that eventually they would have come off it and see what they'd done. Or if they didn't, other writers on the team. Someone should have said something... unless they're all a little... indisposed.

[Asenza]

Pennyball wrote...

Well, that looks like a sad story, but a story that makes sense.
Look at this: We have a confident, powerful, intimitidating women ( even Paragan one, Shepard despite gender or morality is always bigger then life) a good poster face of every feminist march, and her good, stable, but reluctant and afraid of opening up, guy who's lower in the chain of command. Maybe Shepard scares him a little, in a way he's afraid to admit to himself? Maybe he wants a normal, stable life, who he knows he won't be able to have by her side?  SPOLERS
The things that bothers me: he didn't even send her a letter. He didn't try to explain himself (too well). I can understand the "That's how it is - deal with it" attitude, but he probably remembers what promises he gave. "I love you" is a promise - of devotion, and standing beside the loved person. It's about responsibility to inform a lover, that you don't wish to be togather with her/him, and that probably should be before getting into anyone's else pants.
And I don't remember a Jacob, who ran away from his responsibilities.

The thing is, he's never wanted a normal, stable life before. He's not like Zaeed, who wanted to retire after it all ended. There's nothing stopping him from having a normal life- he probably could have done so after leaving the alliance. Nothing was stopping him except a bit of a hero complex, that desire to make things better in the galaxy. 

The other thing is there was never any sign of insecurity in Jacob. He was impressed by Shepard, but there's no real hint of  jealousy or a, "I can only ever stand in her shadow" complex in him. So him suddenly becoming insecure, needy, and acting out as a result of that doesn't make sense, even if the writer tries to play that game.

The other thing is the way that there's no communication between Shepard and Jacob until they meet and this thing happens. So up until that point we don't get to see that the relationship is on the rocks, or see a change in Jacob. Just BAM! LOOK HE'S DIFFERENT NOW!

Sure, it's dramatic to finally be reunited with a partner after having been separated by a trial, incarceration and that nasty reaper war, only to find out that the other person has been unfaithful. But if it's only being done because it's dramatic and somebody thought it would be funny, especially when it goes against everything we know about Jacob, well...

It fails in every possible way.

Modifié par Asenza, 12 novembre 2011 - 09:15 .

[Asenza]

@Pennyball,

Oh, I'm with you, hoping for the best.

But when you find an outdated script planning the worst thing they could ever possibly do to Jacob, if it starts there, it's really hard to hope for better when someone saw fit to commit that to paper...

Modifié par Asenza, 12 novembre 2011 - 09:26 .

[HK-90210]

I think I've just found evidence in the spoilers that some of the "prophesies of doom" for the Jacob romance may not be as bad as we think. It's not definitive or anything, but it can provide a bit of hope in the next for months. If you'd like the evidence, I can PM it, since we're trying to keep this thread free of actual spoilers. Or I can post it somewhere else if I get a lot of requests for it.

And if you don't want the evidence, I'll just say this: When one reads the spoilers, there's no way to determine just what dialogue is for a romanced Jacob, and what dialogue is for a non-romanced Jacob. We can only make uneducated guesses. As such, don't count on the spoilers to give any coherent picture on how the Jacob romance will play out.

...something tells me that this thread will be discussing the spoilers from now until March.

[Dean_the_Young]

I'll jump on for asking for the Jacob spoilers, please.