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[GameBoyish]

SilentK wrote...

Don't think we will have a happier thread getting into fights about who's LI is more likely to cheat, and we need all the happy we can get. Let's just keep the thread on Jacob. Pretty please.

Agreed.

[GameBoyish]

"We're our last hours, heading straight into the enemy.
I wanted...
I want you.
Before we win, lose, whatever.
Doesn't matter.
I love you."

[HK-90210]

"Out of all of us, you're the one who could probably us a place to vent. So...Shepard, how 'bout we turn it around? What are you carrying? What do you need to get rid of?"

"Rough. Someone dies on you, they stay dead. But like my father, you keep running into people who've just...changed. I feel sorry for those people, Shepard. Know why they all changed? They lost you. I get how hard that would be."

"That's good, though. It's a **** job, but it needs you. Lose that dread, and you end up like the Illusive Man. There anything human left in his eyes?"

"That's when it matters most! You push back! You want a list of people who give in, looks at the a**holes we end up fighting! You don't let anything get in the way of what you need to do! That's why I want to be here. With you."


.......**** you, Bioware. I'll get over this, but still, **** you.

Modifié par CastonFolarus, 14 mars 2012 - 01:24 .

[GameBoyish]

"You impress the hell out of me, Shepard.
We might actually get through this because of you.
Keep it up, I may volunteer for fewer suicide missions.
Haven't been this fired up in a looong time.
It's all you.
All of it."

[Sarah1281]

"Out of all of us, you're the one who could probably us a place to vent. So...Shepard, how 'bout we turn it around? What are you carrying? What do you need to get rid of?"

Well, my prevoiusly reliable and honorable boyfriend forgot to tell me he was breaking up with me and the new girl's a ****.

[IrishRents]

Shouldn't this be 2.0...

[revan11exile]

TriviaAeducan wrote...

"We're our last hours, heading straight into the enemy.
I wanted...
I want you.
Before we win, lose, whatever.
Doesn't matter.
I love you."

The good ol days:crying: DARN  BIOWARE

Modifié par revan11exile, 14 mars 2012 - 05:11 .

[SilentK]

Awww.... so touched by just reading all that dialogue. That is ME2-Jacob, and he is wonderful.

For a Shepard who was a friend of Jacob the current situation in ME3 is pretty decent. You get to see your friend, he seems to be doing ok. He has found someone to share his life with and they are going to have a kid. If it hadn't been for the galactic war it would have been pretty nice. You want your friends to be happy, right.

But the combo of friendly and romanced dialogue for a FemShep who romanced Jacob going into ME3 is just horrible.

FemShep: Jacob, I found you, my love
Jacob: Sorry, got a new girl
FemShep: Well, you are a jerk
New Girl: I knew he was busy but went after him anyways. We're having a kid, we'll name it after you.
Jacob: I'll try to talk her out of it.

I did get to see the friendly version of this on my FemShep. The convo with the kid ended thus

Jacob: Well, I'll try to talk her out of it. No offense
FemShep: None taken

I really really hope that the last bit there won't be there for a romanced FemShep. What kind of cruel person would tell the woman that you left that your new girl want's to name the kid after her. And for his new girl, would you really name your firstborn after a woman whose guy you seduced. Jacob, he agreed that he was a jerk. Would you really want to remind your husband of that for the rest of your life. If that's the case I'm really worried about Jacob and think that he could have done so much better. ME2-Jacob deserves better. And my FemShep would never ever end that convo with "none taken". Let's hope the kid in this scenario never ever asks the parents how he/she got the name.

Things change, I really didn't want Jacob to change. I wanted to continue a wonderful romance-arc from ME2. But I was quite prepared to learn to live with the situation, but the dialouge and how off it feels makes that very difficult. And the horrible result of bad mixing of friendly-dialogue+romanced-dialogue. You should have been able to have a heartfelt discussion with him about this and I could see him saying that he can't leave his kid. But for the sake of all things fluffy, that convo with the kid and naming it after Shepard should never been seen by a romanced FemShep.


Edit: Trying to get some happy feelings here. Got the app for my iPod Touch and the mails from Javik and the rest are gold. "Evolve faster". The thing here with Jacob really got me sad, but all and all. I love this game and can't wait to get a new FemShep going.

Modifié par SilentK, 14 mars 2012 - 07:01 .

[MissLiya]

 I love Jacob, great character, wanted to romance him in ME2, but decided to stay faithfull to Kaidan.
P.S.FemShep acting so ****ty when she`s chasing Jacob lolz 

[CheeseEnchilada]

I meandered into this thread to offer support and express my anger at Jacob's romance in ME3, read all these wonderful quotes, and just got sad again.

He never asked for this.

[MissLiya]

And yeah, I feel for you guys. If BW would do something like this to Kaidan, I would go loko and start a war.
Keep it up! I support you!

[GameBoyish]

Jacob's ME2 writer Lukas "THE PRIIIZE" Kristjanson has replied to jenn-y's message...

Jenn:
Hi, I'm just dropping you a line. I don't know if you've even played ME3 or are aware of what happened to Jacob's character, but he was written as moving on and knocking someone else up before Shepard found him again in ME3 and by the way, they want to name the baby after Shepard. Yeaaaaaah. The Jacob fans are heartbroken. Any way you can give a slap upside the head to whoever wrote him in ME3?

Lukas:
I knew where they were going, but not being on the team I don't have context for the why behind the design decisions, so I can't know if I would have approached it differently or not. Reaction on the whole has been interesting, I'll say that.

[Visii]

TriviaAeducan wrote...

Jacob's ME2 writer Lukas "THE PRIIIZE" Kristjanson has replied to jenn-y's message...

Jenn:
Hi, I'm just dropping you a line. I don't know if you've even played ME3 or are aware of what happened to Jacob's character, but he was written as moving on and knocking someone else up before Shepard found him again in ME3 and by the way, they want to name the baby after Shepard. Yeaaaaaah. The Jacob fans are heartbroken. Any way you can give a slap upside the head to whoever wrote him in ME3?

Lukas:
I knew where they were going, but not being on the team I don't have context for the why behind the design decisions, so I can't know if I would have approached it differently or not. Reaction on the whole has been interesting, I'll say that.

Oh, dear.

That's just as bad as whathisname saying that they "forgot" that Thane might have been a LI to some people. How do you let the other writer know about something like that? "Hey, btw, we're totally gonna take your character, shake out everything that made him, him and refit him as some cheating, sorry ****. Just so you know."

[LilyasAvalon]

I wasn't even a big fan of Jacob as a romance (He was more like a bro to my canon Shepard), but even I agree what the Bioware team did to you guys is almost as bad as the endings.

You have my sympathy.

[outmane]

TriviaAeducan wrote...

Jacob's ME2 writer Lukas "THE PRIIIZE" Kristjanson has replied to jenn-y's message...

Jenn:
Hi, I'm just dropping you a line. I don't know if you've even played ME3 or are aware of what happened to Jacob's character, but he was written as moving on and knocking someone else up before Shepard found him again in ME3 and by the way, they want to name the baby after Shepard. Yeaaaaaah. The Jacob fans are heartbroken. Any way you can give a slap upside the head to whoever wrote him in ME3?

Lukas:
I knew where they were going, but not being on the team I don't have context for the why behind the design decisions, so I can't know if I would have approached it differently or not. Reaction on the whole has been interesting, I'll say that.

Deciding to change where a character is going is one thing. And it seems that is what was intended for Jacob. 'His stable-normal-good guy persona gets shattered by the war' might have been the concept they were going for.
Now the writers have the right to develop their characters as they see fit and  not every development needs to be positive. But some key points help to make a good quality implementation.

First, big twists in character development need some context to make sense. That means Jacob needed at least as much screen time as miranda or Jack to go from 'I'll do what ever it takes Shep' to 'this is just too much craziness, i need more stability' to 'lets make a baby and pretend the war isnt happening'.

Second, if youre going for a big change, its even more important to let the player react to it. Why is it that a friendly Shep has to be ok with Jacob cowering out? Even worst, why cant a romancing Shep get a renegade interrupt?

And last, let those changes have consequences for the character himself. Were in the middle of a full on galaxy war. it would have been nice to se if the 'hide your head in the sand' strategy paid out.

Overall, none of those key points were respected in Jacob's character arc. That means even if youre fine with where his plot is going, its still pretty much a trainwreck. 

[PsyrenY]

As a show of support, I resolve to romance Jacob on my other femshep, then dump him for Garrus prior to the SM. That will at least have the events of ME3 make sense.

"That cuttlebone?!"
"That's right, now GTFO to your Cerberus hussy"

[10 Steps Back]

I leave my sympathies to you guys right over

---> here

[Femmefatality07]

I'd like answers as to why it had to be Jacob. The one black squadmate in Mass Effect...cheating on you and bout to be a daddy. C'mon...I've tried to take this game seriously, as black female gamer, but that's just-

I mean, really?

[rudenotginger]

I just learned about what happens to the Jacob romance... Wow guys, I'm so sorry you got screwed over like this. I got screwed over my Joker romance hopes, so I sympathize.

[Cosmochyck]

Hello all Jacobmancers and fans!

We have created a united thread for all the ME2 LIs that get inadequate treatment/dialogue etc. in ME3!  It's here so please show your support - perhaps we can ALL get what we want!

And I saw the Jacob romance online and it's....abysmal to say the least.  I feel your pain. 

[SilentK]

outmane wrote...

Deciding to change where a character is going is one thing. And it seems that is what was intended for Jacob. 'His stable-normal-good guy persona gets shattered by the war' might have been the concept they were going for.
Now the writers have the right to develop their characters as they see fit and  not every development needs to be positive. But some key points help to make a good quality implementation.

First, big twists in character development need some context to make sense. That means Jacob needed at least as much screen time as miranda or Jack to go from 'I'll do what ever it takes Shep' to 'this is just too much craziness, i need more stability' to 'lets make a baby and pretend the war isnt happening'.

Second, if youre going for a big change, its even more important to let the player react to it. Why is it that a friendly Shep has to be ok with Jacob cowering out? Even worst, why cant a romancing Shep get a renegade interrupt?

And last, let those changes have consequences for the character himself. Were in the middle of a full on galaxy war. it would have been nice to se if the 'hide your head in the sand' strategy paid out.

Overall, none of those key points were respected in Jacob's character arc. That means even if youre fine with where his plot is going, its still pretty much a trainwreck. 

The thread is still alive   =)   

I agree with you on all accounts. We have no idea how he went from great guy to cheater, because we cannot talk to him about it. If this is really how they wanted it to play out then at least let us react to it. For a friend of Jacob the whole thing is pretty ok, but for FemShep... not so much.