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outmane wrote...

Aver88 wrote...

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There is no BW interaction on Jack's thread either. ;)


I dunno... theres no BW interaction in Garrus thread either, and there's nothing wrong with his romance or bromance :unsure:

But I guess if I was them I would be afraid to chat with the fans about Jacob or Thane. Their handling is hard to justify. They would have to say, in Thane's case, that they forgot he was a LI, and in Jacob's case, that they wanted things to turn bad. I jsut wish they had the time/resources to make those choices meaningful, instead of ruining some already hard to justify changes.


They did say they forgot Thane was a LI and admitted to "dropping the ball". Can't imagine what excuse they would come up with for Jacob. I don't actually want excuses at this point. I wanted it fixed.

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Yeah, I was all set to RP my Renegon Shep as being really torn because she romanced Kaidan in ME and moved on to Jacob in ME2. She loved them both and was going to have to make this really tough decision and hurt one of them... and then it turns out that Jacob made her decision for her. So not cool. I wanted to make that decision as a player, not have it taken out of my hands by scripted, off-screen romance death.

Well, more Shep loveliness for Kaidan, I guess. And she's the prettiest of my FemSheps by far, too. Jacob, I can't fathom where we went wrong....

#2053
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Not to mention Kaidan is bi, so he'll probably want Femshep to whip out the strap-on every once in awhile... hopefully yours is into that ^ ^

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Whoa, no hating on LGBT groups here please.

What if Jacob was bi, would that suddenly make him unattractive?

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TriviaAeducan wrote...

Whoa, no hating on LGBT groups here please.

What if Jacob was bi, would that suddenly make him unattractive?


Yes, he graced us with his presence earlier. <_<

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 So I got some time to think about some of Jacob's dialogue, specialy the part where he tells Shep 'your only love is the Normandy'. Somehow, it made me feel like ME3 Jacob was the devs avatar telling me 'We know you dont really want a happy ending. Getting some rest and good times isnt for Shepard. What you really want is to go out in a blaze of glory.'

Now maybe that can be true for some Shepards. That deep down they would never be able to leave the spacefaring  behind. And I guess Jacob can appear very insightful in that case.

As for my canon Shep, getting spaced and dying alone in space made spacefaring way less romantic then in ME1. But what bothered me much more is that the Shep I have who really connected with Jacob was the one who deep down didnt want to be a big superheroe. If he was hanging with Jacob instead of Garrus, its because he enjoyed the stability.

So hearing that from Jacob (when I eventually run that Shep thru ME3), that would make him realize the two of them never really knew each other. Its quite apparent how Jacob pushes away the closest Sheps, be it close friend or romance. Its very in line with him not wanting to get personal with Shep in ME2. Guess we never really got over that, Jacob ?<_<

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What if Jacob did not cheat on Cmdr. Shepard?


Hear me out - used a youtube video for the information below.

Shepard stumbles into Jacob, wants him to acknowledge her and he shifts uncomfortably as a result of this.
He tries his best to ward her off with an excuse. Then tries to stop her from talking any further. Then loses his composure and says he loves her only to correct it into past tense while not being able to look her in the eye. He's ashamed.
One more attempt by Shepard and Jacob blurts out not that he won't but that he can't.

He then mentions he met Brynn in the Mumbai cell - a year ago. Remember this timeframe.
Jacob also tries to explain how he messed up but can't find the words for it.

In talking to Brynn herself Shepard mentions she was in a relationship with Jacob - Brynn knows this and she tells Shepard she's sorry about that.
Brynn then tells Shepard that she met Jacob in Mumbai and she went after Jacob there and then.
She also mentions that Jacob is still in love with Shepard. She then bluntly informs Shepard that Jacob is hers and Shepard should just understand that.


Now for my reasoning why Jacob didn't cheat on Shepard.

This has to do with the timeframe in which Jacob and Brynn met.
You get to talk with Tali on the Citadel way after dealing with Jacob and Brynn. Tali mentions it was three years to the day since she got to the Citadel and met up with Shepard in Mass Effect 1.
Two of those years Shepard spent being dead being reconstructed during Project Lazarus.
And then half a year she spent under house arrest due to collaborating with Cerberus and/or commiting a war crime by blowing up a Mass Relay and snuffing out life on an entire planet.

That leaves six months for the events you get to play in ME1, ME2 and ME3 combined.
Two months for ME3, six months for house arrest and two months for all of ME2 - a total of 10 months ago that Shepard first met Jacob.
Yet Jacob first met and hooked up with Brynn 12 months ago.

To put in other words; Brynn hooked up with Jacob when Shepard was still a corpse/vegetable in Project Lazarus.
Space Seductress Shepard only got her claws on him afterwards; during ME2.

Jacob came across as tragic character in my opinion.
I'm guessing during Shepard's incarceration he came clean to Brynn on his affair with Shepard. This is how Brynn knows about Jacob and Shepard.
Jacob most certainly does not want to follow in his father's footsteps by walking out on the mother of his child (he tells Shepard this back on the Citadel) - even though it means he has to forsake any contact with the woman he fell in love with.

All this seems in line with his honorable character as established in ME2.
In fact I heard Jacob breaks off any chance at a ME2 romance with him if Shepard pushes him too hard after his loyalty mission. That could be because Jacob, in light of his father's life and fate, remembers where he stands with Brynn.

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hwf - I have to respectfully disagree. I don't see it this way. From what I gathered from the dialog, Jacob and Brynn had known each other for a year, but that he only got together with her when she called him for help hiding from Cerberus. That is, they were colleagues and friends before, not lovers.

I also get that he doesn't see it as "cheating" on Shepard- more like he just figured that an ex-Cerberus agent on the run and an Alliance soldier under house arrest were just never going to find a way to be together. It's the giving up that hurts the most. We did the impossible before, man! Have a little faith, would you?

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the guy in ME3 isn't Jacob. The Real Jacob hit the beach but Cerberus found him, cloned him and put him in suspended animation where he believes he's settled down with Shepard after the war is won and they have two kids and a house. the man in Me3 is Jaycob Tailer a Cebreus clone created to break shepard's heart to slow down her war efforts. I refuse to acknowledge the guy in Me3 as the real Jacob until bioware fixes him..

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ADLegend21 wrote...

the guy in ME3 isn't Jacob. The Real Jacob hit the beach but Cerberus found him, cloned him and put him in suspended animation where he believes he's settled down with Shepard after the war is won and they have two kids and a house. the man in Me3 is Jaycob Tailer a Cebreus clone created to break shepard's heart to slow down her war efforts. I refuse to acknowledge the guy in Me3 as the real Jacob until bioware fixes him..

Why the denial?

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Because he is completely out of character.

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Jupp, he feels very much different from the ME2-Jacob. Will have to bring one of my Jacob-FemShep's over simply so that I can look at the convo's myself. But really, why why why do I have to save Brynn? "Hi, I stole your man, now plz save my life". Nu huuuh. I might just go back to the ship... and see if anyone is up for a round of poker.

I miss the the way Jacob's voice changed when you got further into the relationship, it turned, softer. He had this wonderful wonderful voice but when you met him again it's was his harder voice. Jupp, it's not the same man.

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@SilentK

That's the thing, you don't have to bring a Jacob-Femshep over to look at the convo. It's the same convo as the unromanced convo plus a few lines. The tone of the conversation with Brynn and Jacob is broken. It makes all three characters seem bi-polar. Shepard is confrontational in the additional romance lines but happy to help in the non-romance lines. Brynn is comes of as quite reasonable unless it's a romance line, then she comes off as a complete "witch." The back it forth is jarring. Not to mention Femshep goes into her molester voice during her romance lines :pinched:

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Darc_Requiem wrote...

@SilentK

That's the thing, you don't have to bring a Jacob-Femshep over to look at the convo. It's the same convo as the unromanced convo plus a few lines. The tone of the conversation with Brynn and Jacob is broken. It makes all three characters seem bi-polar. Shepard is confrontational in the additional romance lines but happy to help in the non-romance lines. Brynn is comes of as quite reasonable unless it's a romance line, then she comes off as a complete "witch." The back it forth is jarring. Not to mention Femshep goes into her molester voice during her romance lines :pinched:


Not only that, it's just the UGH of her trying to seduce back her own partner! I mean, what? And then during that BRynn conversation, she goes, "I won't discuss my relationship with Jacob with you," like it wasn't already dead and gone.

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Should have involved "the priiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiize" in the title.

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Darc_Requiem wrote...

@SilentK

That's the thing, you don't have to bring a Jacob-Femshep over to look at the convo. It's the same convo as the unromanced convo plus a few lines. The tone of the conversation with Brynn and Jacob is broken. It makes all three characters seem bi-polar. Shepard is confrontational in the additional romance lines but happy to help in the non-romance lines. Brynn is comes of as quite reasonable unless it's a romance line, then she comes off as a complete "witch." The back it forth is jarring. Not to mention Femshep goes into her molester voice during her romance lines :pinched:


Oh God, the molestor/cougar voice *cringes*. Sorry, but my Shep would never do that. Seriously, she is begging for a kiss from someone who says he still loves her like it is going to make everything...what, disappear or matter. I don't get it. How could they have screwed this up so bad. Jacob's storyline in ME3 made no sense to me and I didn't even romance him. He's a good character, so why the bw hate?

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Just dropping in to say, we're putting together a bunch of feedback about the ME2 LIs treatment in ME3, and we're getting people who are going to PAX to try and give it in. So if anyone has a few things to say how the Jacob "romance" made them feel, well, here's your chance!

Send me a PM, passionate, but polite, people!

Modifié par Visii, 01 avril 2012 - 02:58 .


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I'm so sorry for you guys. Jacob got screwed big time and it's not right

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ATTENTION ALL JACOB-MANCERS

Visii wrote...
Just dropping in to say, we're putting together a bunch of feedback about the ME2 LIs treatment in ME3, and we're getting people who are going to PAX to try and give it in. So if anyone has a few things to say how the Jacob "romance" made them feel, well, here's your chance!

Send me a PM, passionate, but polite, people!



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I haven't been able to build up the will to play my Femshep, with what happend to Jacob and the endings, I just can't seem to do it.

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I understand Lucky. I've only imported one of my femsheps and i haven't finished the game with her. Honestly because the ending situation, I've only finished the game once. Which in comparison to ME1 and 2 is quite bad. I'd beaten ME1 and 2 at least 4 or 5 times each by this point.

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What if Bioware decided to throw away Jacob's romance just so players roamcing other ME2 characters could go 'well, it aint as bad as Jacobmancers got'. Cause thats pretty much what can be heared everywhere. I wonder if there was a thought behind all this or if they just wanted to shake things up a bit.

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I don't think that's the case. I just think that because Jacob wasn't popular they decided that they could cut corners and not enough fans would care to make a stink about it. Of course since a lot of other romances got the screw job it seems that the opposite has occurred and other fan bases are actually showing sympathy for Jacob fans. All that said, if they hadn't botched the ending so terribly, I don't think any of the ME2 romance issues would have garnered the attention they have.

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TriviaAeducan wrote...

ATTENTION ALL JACOB-MANCERS

Visii wrote...
Just dropping in to say, we're putting together a bunch of feedback about the ME2 LIs treatment in ME3, and we're getting people who are going to PAX to try and give it in. So if anyone has a few things to say how the Jacob "romance" made them feel, well, here's your chance!

Send me a PM, passionate, but polite, people!


Interesting! Link to this statement?

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http://social.biowar.../index/10853184

It's more like, you write your own letter, about how you feel your LI (s) were portrayed in ME3.  What you had hoped based on ME2, what you got in ME3, your delights and disappointments... that sort of thing.

Modifié par Visii, 02 avril 2012 - 04:01 .