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[ilovemesometurian]

Ohhhh. Weirrrd topic. Let's talk about something else. This is weirder than Isabela's "Friend Fiction" crap.

[Ravensword]

Indeed.

*sips tea*

Modifié par Ravensword, 10 novembre 2011 - 12:52 .

[ilovemesometurian]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

It basically means you're awesome.

Pretty much. YAOI is the acronym of You Are Outstandingly Interesting.

ilovemesometurian wrote...

Ohhhh. Weirrrd topic. Let's talk about something else. This is weirder than Isabela's "Friend Fiction" crap.

Dude. For someone who has "bi LI" in their signature, you sure need to become more open-minded and knowledgeable.

Um, no I don't really. First of all I have that sig for the lap dance part because it has become somewhat of a meme. I don't care who that lap dance is for. But I'm totally open minded. I'm comfortable with whatever you personally are into, but it is simply my opinion that this is a weird topic for a character related discussion. I think that talking about Kasumi's interest in writing, watching or reading homosexual/heterosexual sex stories is waaayyy off the mark for this thread. I would personally rather speak about her goals for ME3 or maybe how she would treat other squad members. Maybe something that impacts the game or contributes to the mystery surrounding her. I mean maybe the lack of Kas info has reaaallly caused people to search deep for something Kas related to talk about (and i can def sympathize with that!! ) but... I'm just not feeling this one. Of course this is also a multi-post thread so my suggestion to talk of something more game related need not to apply to you if necessary, and I can carry a conversation quite easily with someone else. That being said, I find your dire need to constantly call me out annoying, if I may be kindly forward. No disrespect, but I am very knowledgeable. Forgive me for not knowing the japanese names for homosexual porn, it's not a constant in my day-to-day, unfortunately.

Modifié par ilovemesometurian, 10 novembre 2011 - 02:00 .

[MrChowderClam]

So, Kasumi in ME3. Think it's going to happen?

[PhantomSpectre]

MrChowderClam wrote...

So, Kasumi in ME3. Think it's going to happen?

Simple answer? Yes.

To what extent she will in ME3? That's another story.

What we are hoping in this thread? As huge role as possible and preferably LI too.

[ilovemesometurian]

PhantomSpectre wrote...

MrChowderClam wrote...

So, Kasumi in ME3. Think it's going to happen?

Simple answer? Yes.

To what extent she will in ME3? That's another story.

What we are hoping in this thread? As huge role as possible and preferably LI too.

Then again Anders from DA had a huge role in DA2 and was just a DLC character. And he could die in the end of the DLC based on your decisions, and they made it work so he was a main companion in DA2. So considering this is BioWare I feel like Kasumi's popularity could definately take her to the main squaddie list. If we have the option to pick our squadmates, Kasumi will be in my team for sure!

Modifié par ilovemesometurian, 10 novembre 2011 - 03:29 .

[DeathDragon185]

ok has anyone here read the leaked script?
and if you have can you tell us what role Kasumi had in that script?( I don't want to read the script but I am desperate for info about Kasumi.)

[Ravensword]

I've heard that Kasumi will go on a special mission.

[Seth Jayden]

What script may you be talking about hmm?
And for all of our sakes
Information on kas

[ilovemesometurian]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

ilovemesometurian wrote...

I think that talking about Kasumi's interest in writing, watching or reading homosexual/heterosexual sex stories is waaayyy off the mark for this thread. I would personally rather speak about her goals for ME3 or maybe how she would treat other squad members. Maybe something that impacts the game or contributes to the mystery surrounding her. I mean maybe the lack of Kas info has reaaallly caused people to search deep for something Kas related to talk about (and i can def sympathize with that!! ) but... I'm just not feeling this one. Of course this is also a multi-post thread so my suggestion to talk of something more game related need not to apply to you if necessary, and I can carry a conversation quite easily with someone else. That being said, I find your dire need to constantly call me out annoying, if I may be kindly forward. No disrespect, but I am very knowledgeable. Forgive me for not knowing the japanese names for homosexual porn, it's not a constant in my day-to-day, unfortunately.

Point taken. Apologies for "constantly calling you out" - I had no idea that's the impression I leave on people!

Somehow I felt bringing up a phenomenon that is widespread and popular among Asian, especially Japanese young females is more relevant to Kasumi than what this thread was doing at the time I brought it up (which is building quote pyramids). I particularly feel that shonen-ai/yaoi is relevant to Kasumi since we have clear in game knowledge of Kasumi being both a shipper (who ships every existing and possible pairing including FemShep x Kelly) and a voyeur. 

When I suggested you become more knowledgeable, I was meaning specifically your knowledge concerning this particular aspect of Asian/Japanese culture, which I feel is dreadfully misunderstood and misinterpreted in the West. I wasn't indicating that you are not knowledgeable in any other field, such as physics or political economy. But I see you have no desire whatsoever to know this particular aspect of Asian culture better. I understand and respect that, and will drop this topic.

But at least it seems I have succeeded in stopping people from building quote pyramids.

Well considering this did not take the hard turn into a flaming spam war as I feared it would, and actually turned into a pleasant settling of differences, I am in no way displeased. Yes, I may not realize what a "pretty" asian woman looks like or know much about this yaoi, I admit. I'm estimating you are asian or know a great deal of asian culture, so you probably know alot more about eastern ways than I do. And it was not the idea of pornography that bothers me. It just... well... it seemed to come out of nowhere! Anyway I see your points as well and maybe one day I'll learn about it. But for now, darling Kasumi needs all the support she can get if we're ever going to see her hopefully as a perm squaddie.

And YES! No more pyramids! Pyramids feel like cheating <_<


On a second note, I wonder what kind of mission Kasumi will have? Or if squadmates get small side missions, like in ME1? We already helped her steal something. Her next assigment should def. be about the graybox.

Modifié par ilovemesometurian, 10 novembre 2011 - 05:14 .

[Ravensword]

Worry not, ilovesmesometurian, for I am a non-asian master of identifying the aesthetic features of Asian women, specifically Japanese women.

Also, everytime I see your username, I feel somewhat compelled to create the username ilovesmesomequarian.

[ilovemesometurian]

Ravensword wrote...

Worry not, ilovesmesometurian, for I am a non-asian master of identifying the aesthetic features of Asian women, specifically Japanese women.

Also, everytime I see your username, I feel somewhat compelled to create the username ilovesmesomequarian.

I approve of this wholeheartedly.

Hmm. Maybe I should change my name to ilovemesomejapanesegirlswithapenchantforkleptomania

[Ravensword]

ilovemesometurian wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Worry not, ilovesmesometurian, for I am a non-asian master of identifying the aesthetic features of Asian women, specifically Japanese women.

Also, everytime I see your username, I feel somewhat compelled to create the username ilovesmesomequarian.

I approve of this wholeheartedly.

Hmm. Maybe I should change my name to ilovemesomejapanesegirlswithapenchantforkleptomania

Yes. I think you should totally do that. Although, is that too many characters?

[CrutchCricket]

Hmm... a few things:
The part of the threat that ended with talking about yaoi started with speculation on Kasumi's hobbies. The problem with that is since there is no evidence in the game for ANY hobbies beyond reading and maybe something art related, every speculation is going to come from our own interpretations of the character. These will naturally vary and not everyone may agree on some. That being said I think that particular example was just so out of left field it took people by surprise and given the ideas mentioned it's not necessarily the kind of surprise you want, even if you are not prejudiced against that kind of thing. We're past that now so no reason to keep talking about it.

Another thought on that though: perhaps a more productive route of discussion is going directly to the character as each of us see her as opposed to related side interests. So for example instead of just claiming "Kasumi likes x", maybe we can talk about what it is about her character that makes us deduce she likes x. That way we can use evidence from the game and it's just a much more grounded discussion.

Regarding spoilers, if anyone plans to post them can you please mark them clearly or use color tags to change the font to invisible (by making it the same as the bgcolor)? That way people who'd rather not know don't get owned. Either that or PM the person asking.

Oh and please no more quote pyramids/black holes. It's annoying scrolling through them and good discussion may be missed.

Now then, regarding the graybox. I don't know if we'll have another Kasumi mission on it itself since we potentially destroyed it (I know I did). Although there's still plenty of related things they could do.

[Moondoggie]

Usually when it comes to Bioware your decisions tend to lead to two ways to get the same result so i imagine whatever mission you get from Kasumi will be more or less the same if you destroyed the greybox or not. Potentially she still knows what was on it so those it implicates will want her captured or disposed of and there are those who want to hunt her down for that info. She could potentially be a very interesting part of ME3 though i have my doubts that we'll see much from her other than a token mission where she resolves some personal conflict related to the greybox and then vows to be there for the final battle and goes on her merry way.

I feel like it'll be that way with almost all of the ME2 cast it's like with ME2 certain fans were angry over their favourite not being in it so they decided to sort of go back on themselves and have ME3 with the ME1 cast plus some new squad members and the ME2 cast will be in cameo roles so they don't have to deal with the drama of "why did X get to be a squadmate and my favourite only got a cameo!"

[CrutchCricket]

Moondoggie wrote...
I feel like it'll be that way with almost all of the ME2 cast it's like with ME2 certain fans were angry over their favourite not being in it so they decided to sort of go back on themselves and have ME3 with the ME1 cast plus some new squad members and the ME2 cast will be in cameo roles so they don't have to deal with the drama of "why did X get to be a squadmate and my favourite only got a cameo!"

Side effect of being written in for the sole purpose of being expendable. That's why your ME1 teammates aren't with you, because they wanted everyone to be killable in ME2. Hell even Garrus and Tali probably wouldn't have been in the squad if their fans weren't so belligerent. Despite ME2's characters being just as interesting if not more, than ME1's the favoritism prevails. And it's all crap when you think about since between the games Garrus, Tali and Wrex could all be dead. That's half the ME1 squad right there. So why do this song and dance? For Liara and the VS. Liara at least redeems herself with the whole Shadow Broker deal but what's the amazing thing the VS has done to warrant this kind of protection?

But, getting off topic. Yes I do expect there'll be some alternate route to take if the graybox was destroyed. But I'm not sure Kasumi knew what the data was. Otherwise she might've said so when Shepard asked whether they could extract just the data.

[Moondoggie]

Slipping off topic for a second, Yeah with ME1 it seems more like nostalgia that's putting them all back in. With Liara and the way it ended up i felt like her role could have been more like TIM had in ME2 but it seems they are intent on making her a full on squad mate and the VS eh. Neither of them were particularly stand out characters in the first game and they seemed to shun Shepard in the second game so why they would suddenly change their beliefs to side with Shepard again i don't know. It's gonna be interesting to watch how they handle that anyways.

Annnd back on the topic of this thread. It'd be interesting if she didn't know what the data was because surely she had that greybox for a while before it was stolen from her and i'm sure she would have looked at it. She knew something valuable was on it so with her natural curiosity wouldn't she want to know what it is? But of course that brings up what you said if she knew why didn't she tell Shepard? Perhaps she lied knowing Shepard is an Allience hero if whatever she has will implicate the Allience she'd have every reason to suspect Shepard might turn on her. Kasumi is pretty smart about what she tells people she operates on a "need to know" basis. Kelly mentions it when talking about Kasumi that everything she finds out is surface stuff she doesn't let her in any deeper to learn more about her.

[Mechler]

Bout the returning characters: of course I save everyone becasue I am a perfectionsit, but I don't really care for any of my squadmates just, Kasumi, Legion, Thane and Wrex.
Kasumi did not have the greybox. Hock took it out of Keiji's cracked skull.

Oh and on the off chance that the Greybox is not involved in the quest(if it is just a quest. and may god have mercy on Casey's soul if it is) what do you think is?

[CrutchCricket]

True Hock did steal it directly from Keiji. But it would make sense that Kasumi would still know of the data, but not necessarily what that data was. Also Shepard may be an Alliance hero but as far as she can see he's working with Cerberus now. And the game itself allows you to play it both ways, either working with Cerberus out of necessity only or actually embracing them as partners at least. As for Kelly she says that after you first recruit Kasumi. However after you do her loyalty mission and based on how she talks to you about other squadmates, I don't think it's all "need to know". Personally I believe they get a lot closer. They don't bare their souls or swap life stories but they do confide in each other over current personal matters. That last part's just personal extrapolation, how I choose to look at it.

No idea what Kasumi would be involved in otherwise or what her mission would entail. We can speculate a lot about her but we have very little concrete data. It could be anything. It could even be a boat!

(We'll take the box)

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 10 novembre 2011 - 04:43 .

[Mechler]

Maybe you are hunting her to get back your stuff. Hey Yeah! I've got an awesome idea so Bioware please employ me! Alliance Mission. They captured a dangerous criminal who posesses/posessed sensitive data. You are to provide escort while they are transferring the prisoner to a more secure facility. Naturally the sensitive data turns out to be the Greybox and Kasumi the prisoner. Do you save her and shoot down the alliance soldiers, or let her rot in prison. Added plus: you are needed as an escort becasue the other guard is a rookie. Yes, I'm thinking of Conrad.
Soo, what do you think CrutchCricket, Casey, Drew, Ray, Greg?

[PhantomSpectre]

ilovemesometurian wrote...

Then again Anders from DA had a huge role in DA2 and was just a DLC character. And he could die in the end of the DLC based on your decisions, and they made it work so he was a main companion in DA2. So considering this is BioWare I feel like Kasumi's popularity could definately take her to the main squaddie list. If we have the option to pick our squadmates, Kasumi will be in my team for sure!

Well I have not played DA games, so I can't say more about Anders role in those. However I do know that DA:O (which was were you get Anders) is a lot of different than what Kasumi's DLC was. Foremost DA:O was expansion pack with it's own disc and copies and it's not downloadable content like DLC are. And because it's a lot of easier to get these physical copies like DA:O was, it's easier to assume that a lot of people will have them.

Sure, you could say that buying and downloading DLC from internet are easier than buying (and sometimes even hunting down) these physical copies of the games, but that's not option for all. Not everyone are possible to buy stiff via internet for various reasons like some servises are not available where they will or just some security issues will prevent from using/buying stuff by using credit card in internet. So to these people, physical copies are better option.

Of course it's possible that Kasumi will become important character in ME3 even though she was just DLC character and I hope that she will. However I try to not get too exited as I don't want to be so disappointed if Kasumi won't be getting large enough role in ME3. That's the reason why my original post was what it was.

[PhantomSpectre]

Ravensword wrote...

I've heard that Kasumi will go on a special mission.

Well about beta leak, I wouldn't look at it much. After all it didn't tell whole lot of many characters and Kasumi was one of those. 

But that's all I'm saying about it in here.

[PhantomSpectre]

Moondoggie wrote...

Slipping off topic for a second, Yeah with ME1 it seems more like nostalgia that's putting them all back in. With Liara and the way it ended up i felt like her role could have been more like TIM had in ME2 but it seems they are intent on making her a full on squad mate and the VS eh. Neither of them were particularly stand out characters in the first game and they seemed to shun Shepard in the second game so why they would suddenly change their beliefs to side with Shepard again i don't know. It's gonna be interesting to watch how they handle that anyways.

I think that Liara's and VS's characters are back as playable characters for multiple reason. Their fans wanting them back is of course one reason. Second is that they were romance options in ME1. ME3 is supposed to be the end of Shep's and there should be some "deeper relationships". Now in order to really get this goal and really make it the end of Shep's story, you need to have those characters close to Shep. This means that you must make them Shep squadmates, for a while at least. Thirdly, Liara and Ash are required characters, because otherwise Shep wouldn't have enough squadmates. This is because BW need to think all different SM ending variation and that it's possible that players importet Shep might have only two alive squadmates for ME3. Because of this, BW need to make sure that every importet Shep will at least have few squadmates in ME3.

Annnd back on the topic of this thread. It'd be interesting if she didn't know what the data was because surely she had that greybox for a while before it was stolen from her and i'm sure she would have looked at it. She knew something valuable was on it so with her natural curiosity wouldn't she want to know what it is? But of course that brings up what you said if she knew why didn't she tell Shepard? Perhaps she lied knowing Shepard is an Allience hero if whatever she has will implicate the Allience she'd have every reason to suspect Shepard might turn on her. Kasumi is pretty smart about what she tells people she operates on a "need to know" basis. Kelly mentions it when talking about Kasumi that everything she finds out is surface stuff she doesn't let her in any deeper to learn more about her.

Actually Kasumi never had that greybox, before Shep helped her stole it back from Hock. She knew that it existed, because Keiji told her about it and about the fact that it's content would be troubling for Alliance. Also Keiji seemed to tell Kasumi, how he had crypted those files, but that's all what Kasumi knew about it. This is it was only Keiji, who knew where that box was kept. Later Hock got that box only after he tracked down and killed Keiji. And this is the starting point of Kasumi's LM.

So, what does this mean? It means that Kasumi knew that box existed and how it could be opened, but she had still never seen the content, not before Shep helped her to get it back. Because of this, the moment she looks at it at the end of her LM mission, is the first time she sees the content. And we can actually see how hard it's for Kasumi during that cut scene.