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[AdmiralCheez]

Quething wrote...

I actually have a line about that in the Fic I Will Never Finish Or Post, with Ash and Garrus trying to work out a demolition project together and having communication issues over her base 10 versus his base 6.

And that's why, in my headcanon, translators auto-convert units and measurements as well as words and phrases.

[Quething]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Quething wrote...

I actually have a line about that in the Fic I Will Never Finish Or Post, with Ash and Garrus trying to work out a demolition project together and having communication issues over her base 10 versus his base 6.

And that's why, in my headcanon, translators auto-convert units and measurements as well as words and phrases.

Verbal, sure, of course. Not visual, though. Even if I could begin to imagine how that would even work, you can see it's not so because you can see a lot of alien writing around just exploring the universe. In this scenario, Garrus and Ashley are in a dark cave with one halfway suitable omnitool between them trying to eyeball a path through a cave-in; they're basically counting on their fingers and scratching out diagrams in the dirt as they go.

Though I like to think most idioms, verbal or otherwise, get translated completely literally too, because it fits the apparent turian fascination with human sayings and also provides opportunities for hilarity.

Modifié par Quething, 08 octobre 2011 - 06:20 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Quething wrote...

Verbal, sure, of course. Not visual, though. Even if I could begin to imagine how that would even work, you can see it's not so because you can see a lot of alien writing around just exploring the universe. In this scenario, Garrus and Ashley are in a dark cave with one halfway suitable omnitool between them trying to eyeball a path through a cave-in; they're basically counting on their fingers and scratching out diagrams in the dirt as they go.

Though I like to think most idioms, verbal or otherwise, get translated completely literally too, because it fits the apparent turian fascination with human sayings and also provides opportunities for hilarity.

Oh, definitely.  I'm not gonna bug you about that fanfic even though I'd totes read it.

HOWEVER, citizens, I have obtained information relating to ME3's Palaven quest.

Is it cool if I post that info here?

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 08 octobre 2011 - 07:09 .

[AdmiralCheez]

HNNG can't contain myself. Posting it anyway.

"The first quest we are shown is on the radioactive Turian Homeworld of Palaven. As the Normandy cruises past our view, we are greeted with a giant panoramic scene of life on the planet, complete with roaming beasts, and numerous settlements dotting the horizon. Shepard's shore party is greeted by an armed cadre of Turian military, who request that he surrender his weapons if he is to enter the complex. I chose to use a Renegade approach and insult the Turian commander. One of his subordinates doesn't take kindly to this, and takes a step closer. An interrupt option (taking cues from the second game) allows me to take action. Shepard grabs the young Turian and takes his weapon. My party draws their weapons. Things don't look good for Shepard, he's been on the planet for less than five minutes and a Mexican Stand-off has already occurred."

SOURCE: Leaked OXM issue. Info donor prefers to remain anonymous so he dun get banned.

[Collider]

Renegade Shepard sounds like a real dummy there.

[AdmiralCheez]

Collider wrote...

Renegade Shepard sounds like a real dummy there.

You know, just once, I want to see Shepard get pwn't.

Like (s)he smarts off to General Partinax and gets a knee in the gut or something.

[CptBomBom00]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Collider wrote...

Renegade Shepard sounds like a real dummy there.

You know, just once, I want to see Shepard get pwn't.

Like (s)he smarts off to General Partinax and gets a knee in the gut or something.

So I would then leave Palaven to Die:devil: Great Evil.
Nah just kidding I would never let them die I would just take Garrus with me and he would calibrate their sorry turian asses.

[lovgreno]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Collider wrote...

Renegade Shepard sounds like a real dummy there.

You know, just once, I want to see Shepard get pwn't.

Like (s)he smarts off to General Partinax and gets a knee in the gut or something.

Yes... A badass female turian owns Shepard... I like it!

[Tootles FTW]

Eeeee, so it's official we're landing on Palaven and not just the moon?

Seriously, Bioware, the epic Shepard/Garrus reunion in my head can probably never be matched by what will actually appear in-game but I can't help myself. Whatever we get, I hope there is a romance variation, too...and not just for Garrus, but for all the LIs.

As for bisexual Garrus, I don't like the assertion that his sexuality somehow defines his personality. Gay, straight or bi-ways Garrus will be Garrus. Making him available to maleShep (which wouldn't even be apparent to you as a femShep romancer) is hardly a massacre to his character, and I say more power to the gaymers who will participate in his romance. ...that being said, I personally don't think Garrus will be a bisexual option, but I would be happy for the fans if he proved to be so.

[V-rex]

Hello all, haven't posted here in a while and I just thought I should show my support for my favorite alien sidekick.

So yes, Garrus be awesome.

P.S By the way, what do we make of that article a while back that talked about a 'dramatic death of Garrus'. Do you guys reckon it was credible at all? And if it was what do you think?
I personally hope it's not true, of the current squad line up in Mass Effect 3 Garrus is my second favorite (Ash is still number one) and I would rather him not die at all.
But still if he must which would again be lame on the face of it, I would hope his death be at least heroic and memorable. After all some of the best characters in popular culture were made great by the way that they died, Rorschach from Watchmen for example or V from V for Vendetta.

I'd rather Garrus not die at all but if he does I hope it's something really bold and heroic and memorable... that is if that magazine was at all reliable as a source.

Edit: Also cool, Turian homeworld will be payed a visit. Should be good.

Modifié par V-rex, 08 octobre 2011 - 12:22 .

[Lady Olivia]

Obsydian wrote...

and Saren/Nihlus? did someone mention my favorite pairing in the world? um, a bit. there are tons of really good ones on Masskink meme on LJ. I'll send you some in a note, if you want. also, Olivia has written some of the best Saren/Nihlus that I've ever read......

BubbleSauce wrote...

The Saren/Nihlus pairing is more or less fanon now, It's a nice pairing and they are two interesting characters, there's a lot of good stuff out there. And yes, of course lady olivia's stuff is brilliant, she has some great short stories on fanfic.net, a lot of really good Saren/Nihlus stuff to.

BasementCat00 wrote...

Just read Lady Olivia's fanfic, absolutely love them!

*speachless*

(ten minutes later...)

Spirits. Thank you all for the kind, kind words. I'd like to be able to say that I'm only writing for myself, but it would be a lie. I'm doing it for you guys. So it means the world to know that people read and enjoy and... thank you.

<3 <3 <3

Modifié par Lady Olivia, 08 octobre 2011 - 12:54 .

[BubbleSauce]

Oh no it's the bisexual garrus talk again, alright you guys are sick of it but I just want to respond to a couple of things before it's put to bed.

Zakatak757 wrote...

All I am saying is that Garrus shouldn't have 2 personalities/preferences depending on which Shepard you pick.

I can assure you, he won't, the fact that you are a homosexual does not mean that you have some mystical personality traits that make you differant from a staright person. The very idea that bioware would have to change anything about garrus as character just to facilitate the fact that he's bi is an utterly ridiculous concept. What defines a gay character from a straight character? I genuinely want that question answered, because if you can, then I'll drop everything and yell "Charcters can't be bi!" Out the window at the top of lungs!

Most gay people are just the same as everyone else, we just don't like vaginas. Problem?

Zakatak757 wrote...

 If he isn't romancable by male Shepard, why would he be later on?

Now this is just ignorant. Well I don't know?! Maybe he had trouble coming to terms with the fact he's gay, like every other gay person on the f*cking planet!? A friend of mine only came out of the closet recently and I've known him since we were children. Coming to terms with your sexuality is extremely arduous and difficult. Maybe garrus simply didn't want it to be known, maybe he didn't want people to think of him differantly because of it?

Zakatak757 wrote...

 I believe Vega was brought in for the S/S issue.

You're right he was, but I hope he's not the only one. The man looks like someone beat a badger to death with a shovel and then skinned it as a trophey.

 

Modifié par BubbleSauce, 08 octobre 2011 - 02:31 .

[Lady Olivia]

Well said, Bubble. Agreed on all points.

I totally support Garrus as a same-sex romance option. I had my reservations about this in the past. A long, long time ago. Mostly because he has that... uptight air about him, you know? Like someone who'd be mortified with any kind of sexual experimentation. Which makes no sense, of course, since sleeping with an alien has to be the ultimate form of sexual experimentation.

But lol indeed at the notion that discovering he's bi in ME3 would somehow "change his character." Especially if it is accepted that discovering he's open to cross-species intercourse in ME2 doesn't carry the same implication. I mean, come on, people. What do we really know about him? For all we know, Shepard and that scout could have been the only *females* he'd ever slept with. Come to think of it, that would explain some of the awkwardness, teehee.

The bottom line remains: why would this bother anyone?

Say you're manShep and Garrus is your bro. One day he tells you he has the hots for you. So what? Does he stop being Garrus? Does he stop being your bro? Why? Even if you reject him and there's awkwardness about it... Garrus is made of awkwardness anyway.

Say you're femShep and Garrus is your lover. One day he tells you that if you were a man, it wouldn't make a grain of difference to him. Don't know about you, but I would melt in the sheer intensity of such a compliment.

Now, all that said, I do hope we won't get a Shepard-sexual Garrus. Like what they did with characters in DA2. As in, he's gay for a male Shepard, and straight for a female. What the hell does that mean anyway? If a character is to be available to both player genders, I say that character should be bi, end of story.

[BasementCat00]

Lady Olivia wrote...

Well said, Bubble. Agreed on all points.

I totally support Garrus as a same-sex romance option. I had my reservations about this in the past. A long, long time ago. Mostly because he has that... uptight air about him, you know? Like someone who'd be mortified with any kind of sexual experimentation. Which makes no sense, of course, since sleeping with an alien has to be the ultimate form of sexual experimentation.

But lol indeed at the notion that discovering he's bi in ME3 would somehow "change his character." Especially if it is accepted that discovering he's open to cross-species intercourse in ME2 doesn't carry the same implication. I mean, come on, people. What do we really know about him? For all we know, Shepard and that scout could have been the only *females* he'd ever slept with. Come to think of it, that would explain some of the awkwardness, teehee.

The bottom line remains: why would this bother anyone?

Say you're manShep and Garrus is your bro. One day he tells you he has the hots for you. So what? Does he stop being Garrus? Does he stop being your bro? Why? Even if you reject him and there's awkwardness about it... Garrus is made of awkwardness anyway.

Say you're femShep and Garrus is your lover. One day he tells you that if you were a man, it wouldn't make a grain of difference to him. Don't know about you, but I would melt in the sheer intensity of such a compliment.

Indeed, discovering someone to be bi/gay/les does not change who the individual is, perhaps you just didn't know him/her as well as you think you do if you think that way Then again it's natural to fear what they don't understand, can't really blame them for that(Or CAN we?). Personally i would give him a hug either way :happy:

Lady Olivia wrote...
Now, all that said, I do hope we won't get a Shepard-sexual Garrus. Like what they did with characters in DA2. As in, he's gay for a male Shepard, and straight for a female. What the hell does that mean anyway? If a character is to be available to both player genders, I say that character should be bi, end of story.

^I support this, the idea of how he acts depending on Shepard's gender is... awkward 

[SailorVega]

Quething wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

MoonEcho wrote...

Eh-hem. So! Turians! I just had a random thought. Most human cultures operate on a decimal/base 10 numeral system, ostensibly owing to the fact that we have ten fingers. D'ya suppose that turians (and other six fingered species) developed using senary/base 6?

...yup.

Yes.  I even got bored and tried to make up turian numerals once.

I actually have a line about that in the Fic I Will Never Finish Or Post, with Ash and Garrus trying to work out a demolition project together and having communication issues over her base 10 versus his base 6.

Oh, and while I don't think there's much to suggest that Garrus is interested in turian males (nothing to suggest he isn't, either, of course), there's quite a bit to suggest he isn't interested in humans, period. His attraction to Shep has nothing to do with his normal sexual orientation to begin with, Shep's gender at that point is utterly superfluous.

I made a passing reference to it in my fic; it's funny how we all kind of think along the same lines (sort of).

[AdmiralCheez]

V-rex wrote...

I personally hope it's not true, of the current squad line up in Mass Effect 3 Garrus is my second favorite (Ash is still number one) and I would rather him not die at all.

Especially since I saved his ass in ME2 already.

(Bizarre headcanon confession time: Quietly, secretly, I ship Ash/Garrus.  I can't explain myself on this matter, but I do.)

[JeffZero]

It's an interesting ship. They have a lot to learn from one-another. Ash's xenophobia would gradually evaporate while Garrus would be with someone who was committed to sticking with what often feels like a dead-end career because she's fighting for what's right against unfair family-related odds.

[UrsulaCousland]

V-rex wrote...

Hello all, haven't posted here in a while and I just thought I should show my support for my favorite alien sidekick.

So yes, Garrus be awesome.

P.S By the way, what do we make of that article a while back that talked about a 'dramatic death of Garrus'. Do you guys reckon it was credible at all? And if it was what do you think?
I personally hope it's not true, of the current squad line up in Mass Effect 3 Garrus is my second favorite (Ash is still number one) and I would rather him not die at all.
But still if he must which would again be lame on the face of it, I would hope his death be at least heroic and memorable. After all some of the best characters in popular culture were made great by the way that they died, Rorschach from Watchmen for example or V from V for Vendetta.

I'd rather Garrus not die at all but if he does I hope it's something really bold and heroic and memorable... that is if that magazine was at all reliable as a source.

Edit: Also cool, Turian homeworld will be payed a visit. Should be good.

Ugh. Assuming the article is credible - it may or may not be - (I've never heard of it personally though that's pretty meaningless ), I sincerely hope that such a scenario is one of the ones Shepard can do something about (they've already warned us that some characters will be lost independent of Shepard's actions).  I agree, if he's gotta go, and it's beyond the player's control, it'd better not be lame, but I would be profoundly disapponted.

I am pretty much already sick of waiting for the other shoe to drop in Dragon Age games (Thanks, I'll take my 3-year gap with Fenris in small part because I won't necessarily have to muder knife him later or force him to sleep with somone he hates (a-la Alistair/Morrigan)).  I also like the relatively low angst level and high emotional sincerity that's already there in the Garrus romance (this combo is rare considering several other recent BW characters/LIs). I'm kinda hoping there's not an emotional kick to the quads coming with it.

I called it 'Dark Fantasy Fatigue' in the Fenris thread - the fact that nothing ever has a completely positive ending. I get that nothing ever ends 100% happy, and I agree that in the past it's been an overdone cliche. HOwever, we see it so infrequently now (in movies/games/etc) that I think it might be refreshing to see this particular thread of ME3 end well.

Now I'm completely bummed from a ME3 standpoint. It doesn't help that I'm sick and have a crapton of exams coming up, but...blech.

PS: I *love* that 'MOAR' pic.

Modifié par UrsulaCousland, 08 octobre 2011 - 06:47 .

[AdmiralCheez]

@JeffZero: Yeah, you're right. They could really give each other a leg up in the character development department.

That and any friendly interaction between them would be either deeply touching or absolutely hilarious. Both would mercilessly tease each other, and I can't help but think they'd get a little competitive over who's more of a badass in combat. Plus, imagining those two sitting down and talking about their families over a beer lkjsdafgkjsdflgks cutest damned thing ever.

But since shipping is clearly fanfic territory, I hope that, in ME3, they get to be BFFs.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 08 octobre 2011 - 06:42 .

[Zakatak757]

Sometimes I wish Garrus was... less loyal.

Sometimes I wish he would call me out on crap I do. Like saving Sidonis. I save Sidonis, go meet Garrus, says he wants to talk about it later, I say okay. I go to the gun batteries, and what does he say?

"Thanks again for your help with Sidonis."

What? He killed your brothers in arms that were with you for 2 years. He shows disapproval of my decisions with the Rachni and Council, but doesn't bring it up anyway.

[lovgreno]

Zakatak757 wrote...

Sometimes I wish Garrus was... less loyal.

Me too, Garrus is no longer the Shepard fanboy he was in ME1, now he is Shepards equal. I hope the aliens will not even join the xenophobic Shepards crew in ME3. Choices and consequences and all that you know. To balance it up Cerberus hardliners like Miranda shouldn't follow a xenophile Shepard.

[BubbleSauce]

Zakatak757 wrote...

Sometimes I wish Garrus was... less loyal.

Sometimes I wish he would call me out on crap I do. Like saving Sidonis. I save Sidonis, go meet Garrus, says he wants to talk about it later, I say okay. I go to the gun batteries, and what does he say?

"Thanks again for your help with Sidonis."

What? He killed your brothers in arms that were with you for 2 years. He shows disapproval of my decisions with the Rachni and Council, but doesn't bring it up anyway.

Didn't you hear his speech about grey areas? If sidonis hadn't have given away the position of that team he would have been killed, he cracked under the pressure, I know plenty of people who probably wouldn't have, and I wish I could say that, but I can't, because I'm certain that if I and many other people on this thread were tortured and threatened with death, we'd do the very same, he's only a man, and men can be broken.

And it was fairly obvious that sidonis was broken when you found him, you heard him say it himself, every night their faces haunted him, he woke up in horror, sweating, he wasn't getting any sleep, food had no taste. The man was nothing more than shell, a container that held something that is long gone by now. Garrus could have taken the shot when sidonis walked away, but he didn't. Garrus felt sorry for sidonis. He was blinded by a fog of rage and when shepard cleared it for him, he realised that what he was doing would only breed more misery, and it certainly wasn't going to bring his crew back.

Although, otherwise you do have point. I do wish garrus would call out some of the stuff shepard did, like in DA:O at the camp when Alistair condemns you for killing connor.

[Rebel666]

Garrus is ready for Halloween. Thanks to Nyhgault on dA.

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Modifié par Rebel666, 08 octobre 2011 - 08:53 .

[Tootles FTW]

UrsulaCousland wrote...

I called it 'Dark Fantasy Fatigue' in the Fenris thread - the fact that nothing ever has a completely positive ending. I get that nothing ever ends 100% happy, and I agree that in the past it's been an overdone cliche. HOwever, we see it so infrequently now (in movies/games/etc) that I think it might be refreshing to see this particular thread of ME3 end well.

Haha, this right here sums up so much of my life in RPGs.  If I can have a happy ending I will, call it American of me but I don't care.  This is one of the reasons why I can't bring myself to touch Anders with a 10-ft pole in DA2, because even if you don't whip out the murder knife his entire character arc seems to be leading to an inevitable crash & burn. 

Please, pleeease, not with Garrus.  They've been pushing this "oh, he's a hot-head, watch out for that one" issue a little bit, and he certainly goes to dark places in ME2 with the Sidonis issue (which makes his loyalty mission so good and tense!) but I would hate for them to continue this into some sort of self-destructive spiral in ME3.

As far as the issue of having Garrus, or any squaddie, going up against one of Shepard's decisions: I have no problem with this concept, but when Bioware attempted this the implementation always came off poorly.  Take the Collector Base decision, for example...Garrus told me it was a GOOD IDEA to not destroy it, then all of a sudden on the Normandy he changes his mind?!  In fact, the squaddies who support keeping the base all invariably go back on what they said and decide you made a poor life decision.  This one thing bothers me more than I can say, as it makes the choice far less gray in hindsight and quite obviously black/white.  If they give the squadmates free will enough to have an opinion, let them at least stick with it. 

[Quething]

I'm torn on that. I like when NPCs challenge Shep - I'm one of those rare freaks who actually like Ash and Kaidan more for what they said on Horizon - but I'm not sure Garrus is the right character to do so. It's just been so firmly established that he'll always yield to Shepard. His whole storyarc in ME1 was you teaching him how to think, and in ME2 you can take away the one thing that's driving him above all else and he'll think it over for a minute and thank you for it. 33% of his conversations with Shepard involve him explicitly saying that he can't question Shep's decisions, not after his own failed so badly.

On the other hand, it would be a really nice bit of character growth if he got to finally reciprocate in ME3. Like if you're strongly paragon, and convinced Garrus to spare Saleon and Sidonis, and you're about to do something totally renegade, I would love to see Garrus get, basically, a "paragon interrupt" of his own, where he grabs Shep's gun and says "this isn't you, don't do this."

Of course the player would still have the choice to ignore him/cuss him out and shoot anyway. But my headcanon for main!Shep is basically that she's a crazy clinically depressed rageball through ME2 due to doing Cerberus' dirty work, and it's Garrus and Kasumi who regularly step in and stop her from doing stupid things, with Garrus regularly and pointedly parroting back to her all the things she said to him in ME1 about being a law-abiding idealistic person. I'd love to get to actually act that out in game, see the consequences of my actions in two games of helping Garrus and have a chance to demonstrate that Shepard, too, has been changed and enriched by the relationship.

Edit: holy crap, two ToPs in a row, and I'm not even a thread regular. Have some ToP Garrus being an ominous badass in compensation.

Modifié par Quething, 09 octobre 2011 - 12:20 .