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[AdmiralCheez]

Zakatak757 wrote...

Something I wish they had done in ME2.

Alot of people say "why is Garrus a whiner when his life isn't even that bad?" Well, it is, but the game doesn't let you know that. He brought up his squad on Omega, but didn't mention they had been together for 2 years on the run, likely sharing drinks every night. He doesn't mention his family, or that they are poor, or how his father is disappointed in him, or how his mom is sick.

Filling hollow bones achievable with current human science, turians could do it undoubtedly. Garrus can drop down 35 feet when he goes to look at Saren's corpse below the council's chamber. Can't do that with birdy bones and a set of armor.

A point I made previously here:

SUBJECT--WHY SOLANA SHOULD NOT DIE IN ME3

AdmiralCheez said...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Also, Garrus' life hasn't been that bad at all.

Recently
it has.  He only just lost ten of his closest friends, and the eleventh
may be dead or alive depending on your actions.  And then there's the
backroom drama, the stuff he hides--his family is poor, he's a
disappointment to his father, he's not good enough to meet his own
enormous expectations, he has to lie to his own sister to cover up who
he's become, and his mom is in constant pain from her disease.  He tries
to make things better, to do good, to fight the people no one else has
the courage or strength to fight, and either he screws it up or the
people that are supposed to help him screw him over.

If you have
too many people you care about die in your life, you stop caring at
all.  It's a horrible feeling, a toxic apathy that drains the life out
of you.

Garrus is a compelling character because of his passion. 
If he loses that, he'll just be some whiny emo wisecracker with no
fire, no drive to do good and fight bad guys.  Take away his family--one
of the few good, personal things he has left--and what's the point? 
He'll stop the Reapers, sure, but when the smoke clears and refugees are
reuniting with one another, what's left for him?  What reason is there
to stick around, to care?

It's wrong if the only way to keep him
alive is to kill his spirit.  Let the poor bastard have something to
look forward to when the fighting's over.

[Zakatak757]

I hope the dad/son meeting on Palaven doesn't sound like: "YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND MY FEELINGS DAD!" Garrus is a man and could probably kick his fathers ass considering all the action he has seen. I want to see how that will play out.

And Grizz has an IMPRESSIVE! set of mandibles. Seriously, they go down to his chest.

[phantomdragoness]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

AdmiralCheez said...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Also, Garrus' life hasn't been that bad at all.

Recently
it has.  He only just lost ten of his closest friends, and the eleventh
may be dead or alive depending on your actions.  And then there's the
backroom drama, the stuff he hides--his family is poor, he's a
disappointment to his father, he's not good enough to meet his own
enormous expectations, he has to lie to his own sister to cover up who
he's become, and his mom is in constant pain from her disease.  He tries
to make things better, to do good, to fight the people no one else has
the courage or strength to fight, and either he screws it up or the
people that are supposed to help him screw him over.

If you have
too many people you care about die in your life, you stop caring at
all.  It's a horrible feeling, a toxic apathy that drains the life out
of you.

Garrus is a compelling character because of his passion. 
If he loses that, he'll just be some whiny emo wisecracker with no
fire, no drive to do good and fight bad guys.  Take away his family--one
of the few good, personal things he has left--and what's the point? 
He'll stop the Reapers, sure, but when the smoke clears and refugees are
reuniting with one another, what's left for him?  What reason is there
to stick around, to care?

It's wrong if the only way to keep him
alive is to kill his spirit.  Let the poor bastard have something to
look forward to when the fighting's over.

Delurking for this. AdmiralCheez...



*relurks*

[Reptilian Rob]

C-Sec Nova wrote...

After playing ME2 for the 6th time, though I am not done with it... I got to the LotSB videos, so I was wondering... Is Captain Preitor Gavorn gay? I mean he was with the male human in bed XD It just got me curious is all. On a side note, some of those videos are funny XXD

I hope that Bioware comes out and states that he is. It would mean that Garrus being a same sex romance option is not off the table. 

But as others have said, Turians love everyone. Except for Vorcha. 

[Nilfalasiel]

Lol @ phantomdragoness' gif

xGarnetx wrote...

This talk of hollow bones makes me think of 30 rock. "I've got hollow bones. Like a bird."
And doesn't Joker have hollow bones? That's why he's so breakable, I thought. I don't think Turians look that breakable, but then again, they have an exoskeleton..so it's plausible that their inner-bones don't need to be as strong..it would make them lighter/faster.

The way I understand it, it's not an exoskeleton per se. The Wiki even puts it in quotation marks. It's just really thick skin. Not the kind of exoskeleton an insect would have, where it means that they don't need an endoskeleton.

As for Joker, it's not that he has hollow bones. It's that his bone structure is defective, making them brittle, and thus more easily broken. It's an actual condition.

Zakatak757 wrote...

Alot of people say "why is Garrus a whiner when his life isn't even that bad?"

"Whiner" has become the go-to term for any character people dislike. A little like "emo". And "Mary Sue". All of those are now being applied to stuff that has very little to do with their original meaning. Garrus only complains when you ASK him about his problems, and even then, he has damn good reason to. I'm not even sure there *is* a properly whiny character in ME: one that would complain about their problems and then not do anything to solve them.

Reptilian Rob wrote...

I hope that Bioware comes out and states that he is. It would mean that Garrus being a same sex romance option is not off the table.

Not quite sure I see the correlation there...

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 23 octobre 2011 - 11:25 .

[Surmansuuhun]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

C-Sec Nova wrote...

After playing ME2 for the 6th time, though I am not done with it... I got to the LotSB videos, so I was wondering... Is Captain Preitor Gavorn gay? I mean he was with the male human in bed XD It just got me curious is all. On a side note, some of those videos are funny XXD

I hope that Bioware comes out and states that he is. It would mean that Garrus being a same sex romance option is not off the table. 

Or, you know, they could just give us Gavorn.

[BubbleSauce]

Maybe gavorn will be one of the none-squad mate romances bioware has teased, that would be interesting, and it would give you the option of a gay turian romance without pissing off the people who think Garrus can't be gay. (obviously some people haven't heard of the Kinsey scale)

It's hardly going to be as fleshed out as the main garrus romance but, eh, we've gone 2 gamse without any kind of male homosexual relations, at least it's something.

[Obsydian]

BubbleSauce wrote...

Maybe gavorn will be one of the none-squad mate romances bioware has teased, that would be interesting, and it would give you the option of a gay turian romance without pissing off the people who think Garrus can't be gay. (obviously some people haven't heard of the Kinsey scale)

It's hardly going to be as fleshed out as the main garrus romance but, eh, we've gone 2 gamse without any kind of male homosexual relations, at least it's something.

yeah and its about damned time for some form of M/M relationship.    turian or no.    i think it would be adorable if it was Gavorn.  wonder how that would work though... a non-squad LI. 

[k-baggs]

https://twitter.com/...134929186947072
oh hey what's this

It's okay, Jennifer Hale, I get verklempt about Garrus too. 

Modifié par k-baggs, 23 octobre 2011 - 05:30 .

[Chewin]

BubbleSauce wrote...

Maybe gavorn will be one of the none-squad mate romances bioware has teased, that would be interesting, and it would give you the option of a gay turian romance without pissing off the people who think Garrus can't be gay. (obviously some people haven't heard of the Kinsey scale)

It's hardly going to be as fleshed out as the main garrus romance but, eh, we've gone 2 gamse without any kind of male homosexual relations, at least it's something.

I'm actually more hoping for a lady to show up :/

[BubbleSauce]

Chewin3 wrote...

BubbleSauce wrote...

Maybe gavorn will be one of the none-squad mate romances bioware has teased, that would be interesting, and it would give you the option of a gay turian romance without pissing off the people who think Garrus can't be gay. (obviously some people haven't heard of the Kinsey scale)

It's hardly going to be as fleshed out as the main garrus romance but, eh, we've gone 2 gamse without any kind of male homosexual relations, at least it's something.

I'm actually more hoping for a lady to show up :/

Yeah, that probably has something to do with the fact that you're not homosexual chewin...

The inclusion of non-sqaudmate romance is probably an attempt to please everyone without annoying the people who don't want the main characters to change in any way. So it's more than likely that if there are non-squadmate LIs (not sure if it's been confirmed, but it has been teased) there will be probably a female turian romance.

I mean, if their going to be in multiplayer then they've already got a female turian designed, surely it wouldn't be that hard to add in romance dialogue, it would certainly clear up a lot of fan-service.

Obsydian wrote...

wonder how that would work though... a non-squad LI.

*cough* Kelly *cough*

[CroGamer002]

^That depends if he survives ME:Invasion.

[BubbleSauce]

Arcian wrote...

Chewin3 wrote...

BubbleSauce wrote...

Maybe gavorn will be one of the none-squad mate romances bioware has teased, that would be interesting, and it would give you the option of a gay turian romance without pissing off the people who think Garrus can't be gay. (obviously some people haven't heard of the Kinsey scale)

It's hardly going to be as fleshed out as the main garrus romance but, eh, we've gone 2 gamse without any kind of male homosexual relations, at least it's something.

I'm actually more hoping for a lady to show up :/

You and me both, bro.

EDIT: And it's obvious Gavorn is already taken. He and Shisk are planning to elope once everything is set on Omega. They'll fake their deaths in a false flag gunfight and then live happily ever after drifting the stars together. 

That'd be some violent sex...

[BubbleSauce]

Arcian wrote...

BubbleSauce wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Chewin3 wrote...

BubbleSauce wrote...

Maybe gavorn will be one of the none-squad mate romances bioware has teased, that would be interesting, and it would give you the option of a gay turian romance without pissing off the people who think Garrus can't be gay. (obviously some people haven't heard of the Kinsey scale)

It's hardly going to be as fleshed out as the main garrus romance but, eh, we've gone 2 gamse without any kind of male homosexual relations, at least it's something.

I'm actually more hoping for a lady to show up :/

You and me both, bro.

EDIT: And it's obvious Gavorn is already taken. He and Shisk are planning to elope once everything is set on Omega. They'll fake their deaths in a false flag gunfight and then live happily ever after drifting the stars together. 

That'd be some violent sex...

Rough love...

Well vorcha do communicate through violence, however I don't think gavorn is that type of man, he'd probably act all shy and go along with it for shisks sake. Then shisk would start to fool around more, little does he know that gavorn finds shisk abusive and wants him to stop. Eventually Gavorn musters up the strength to tell shisk about how he really feels, but shisk gets angry and says that he doesn't understand vorcha culture, which in turn leads to more abuse.

A year later the two appear on Jerry Springer and it turns out shisk is pregnant. Good so far?

[AdmiralCheez]

k-baggs wrote...

https://twitter.com/...134929186947072
oh hey what's this

It's okay, Jennifer Hale, I get verklempt about Garrus too. 

Oh, se he survives until the end, at least?

Cool beans.

[BubbleSauce]

Arcian wrote...

BubbleSauce wrote...

Well vorcha do communicate through violence, however I don't think gavorn is that type of man, he'd probably act all shy and go along with it for shisks sake. Then shisk would start to fool around more, little does he know that gavorn finds shisk abusive and wants him to stop. Eventually Gavorn musters up the strength to tell shisk about how he really feels, but shisk gets angry and says that he doesn't understand vorcha culture, which in turn leads to more abuse.

A year later the two appear on Jerry Springer and it turns out shisk is pregnant. Good so far?

I actually think Shisk is a gentle lover when they're alone. I suspect he was the one who made the first move after he was taken with Gavorn after their first firefight. However, in public he goes full vorcha blood rage mode to protect his rep, which annoys Gavorn something fierce since he knows what a teddy bear Shisk is when no one's around to see them.

And eventually gavorn realizes that only when shisk realizes that he won't be judged for being his true self will their love finally flourish?! THIS IS A ROMCOM WAITING TO HAPPEN!

We laugh, we cry, but all and all we learn a lot about ourselves along the way, in this rollar coaster ride of emotion and tribulation.

Starring Willem Dafoe as Shisk and Whoopi Goldberg as Gavorn. 

[UrsulaCousland]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

k-baggs wrote...

https://twitter.com/...134929186947072
oh hey what's this

It's okay, Jennifer Hale, I get verklempt about Garrus too. 

Oh, se he survives until the end, at least?

Cool beans.

Hopefully, but if this was in the Dragon Age franchise, I'd be having a panic attack (given that it's far more grimdark than the ME universe in general).

I hope ME doesn't pull a Dragon Age, at least not completely, and stays less grimdark/gritty. Still, I'm so used to getting smacked with Something Awful at the end of a game and as often as not it involves a principal LI...(I'm looking at you, Alistair, Morrigan, and Anders...)

However, if it's the good kind of 'got to' ("If there is a future to be had..." or "Just once..."*face caress* good)...bring it on! 

Incoming self-talk mantra: *It's a good sign it's a good sign it's a good sign* 

Modifié par UrsulaCousland, 23 octobre 2011 - 07:21 .

[Unpleasant Implications]

BubbleSauce wrote...

Arcian wrote...

BubbleSauce wrote...

Well vorcha do communicate through violence, however I don't think gavorn is that type of man, he'd probably act all shy and go along with it for shisks sake. Then shisk would start to fool around more, little does he know that gavorn finds shisk abusive and wants him to stop. Eventually Gavorn musters up the strength to tell shisk about how he really feels, but shisk gets angry and says that he doesn't understand vorcha culture, which in turn leads to more abuse.

A year later the two appear on Jerry Springer and it turns out shisk is pregnant. Good so far?

I actually think Shisk is a gentle lover when they're alone. I suspect he was the one who made the first move after he was taken with Gavorn after their first firefight. However, in public he goes full vorcha blood rage mode to protect his rep, which annoys Gavorn something fierce since he knows what a teddy bear Shisk is when no one's around to see them.

And eventually gavorn realizes that only when shisk realizes that he won't be judged for being his true self will their love finally flourish?! THIS IS A ROMCOM WAITING TO HAPPEN!

We laugh, we cry, but all and all we learn a lot about ourselves along the way, in this rollar coaster ride of emotion and tribulation.

Starring Willem Dafoe as Shisk and Whoopi Goldberg as Gavorn. 

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[Demonique]

C-Sec Nova wrote...

After playing ME2 for the 6th time, though I am not done with it... I got to the LotSB videos, so I was wondering... Is Captain Preitor Gavorn gay? I mean he was with the male human in bed XD It just got me curious is all. On a side note, some of those videos are funny XXD

Bisexual at the very least, possibly gay or omnisexual, definately a xenophile