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[Twilight_Princess]

UrsulaCousland wrote...

Annaleah wrote...

Fenris' response

I really gotta get out of Poupon's Archives... its messing with my head.

Oh...my...God...*ROFL* (My thought was they are both voiced by the same guy - and for Gideon Emery characters, Fenris definitely >> Gavorn. That's nothing against Gavorn, though, but since Chewin won't share...*sniff** )

Oh wait. Garrus. Never mind.  Gavorn's all yours, Chewin! 

 I lol'd , poor fenris . It reminded me of this joke

[Twilight_Princess]

dammit double post again

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 04 novembre 2011 - 07:26 .

[Reptilian Rob]

BubbleSauce wrote...

God damn it Greenich Meridian Time, if you make me miss 2 pages of discussion again I'll sock you one where the sun doesn't shine!

Lovgreno wrote...

Gayrus for maleShep? No, for some reason I just want him to be my Brokarian. A admittedly very sexy bro, but still. My single maleShep will be more interested in his sister. But if the developers think it's a good idea I wish them luck of course, it's just not something I think I will play.

Well that's just it, no one has to do it, it is purely optional, if you want him to be your "brokarian" (citation needed?) then you can do that. The developers have already said that it will be shepard initiating the romances. I had always pictured garrus being the one to tell shepard, because I just think that would be awkward and "adorkable" as people seem to call it. However because it seems that shepard is going be the one initiating it, I started to think about how they could make that work without it being the usual "Hey wanna f*ck?"

What I had in mind was that there would be some signals that a gay shepard could give out, like maybe if your shepard is more boisterous than others, you could have him slap a male stirpper on the ass at the citadel when garrus is in your party, or something along those lines, maybe giving you something a little less overt if your not a renegade. Do you know what I mean? Something that would allow garrus to be the one to come out with it, but also allows the straight players to maintian their friendship without it leading to sexy time.

K8ee wrote...

And there's always Gavorn,,, Maybe the vorcha don't know all of his tricks...

Ooooooh that would be great. I am actually fine with the Femsheps keeping garrus if we get Gavorn instead!... Or maybe Lorik... No! No, last time I had that thought I ended up in hospital...

And Hi Obsy! Welcome back to the realm of the living! *brofist* 

I honestly believe that Garrus will be a BI option. 

The reason I surmize as much is that there is a large fanbase built around him and Bioware would be close to stupid if they didn't please the majority. 

However in reality all the LI's should be BI, in my opinion. Mass Effect is a game that is meant to be played the way you want and the story is influanced by your choices. Mass Effect, in effect has no "canon" as the player creates the canon and revolves around the games narrative. The more choices a game gives you to that effect the more successful it is in truly being a unique experiance. If you look underneath the coding and audio of the first two Mass Effect games you actually see that there were many BI characters, including Garrus and Tali. However, I believe because of the uninformed and ignorant population that was changed due to it influencing sales. 

So there's my brief spell of wisdom, I will now go back to reading some Coleridge. Becuase, I love epic romantics that were high on opium when they were composing. 

[BubbleSauce]

UrsulaCousland wrote...

Annaleah wrote...

UrsulaCousland wrote...

Chewin3 wrote...

K8ee wrote...
And there's always Gavorn,,, Maybe the vorcha don't know all of his tricks...

Gavorn is mine.

No, I don't share. *gives a mean look to Ursula*

That's ok, in this case, Fenris >> Gavorn in my book. I'd rather fangirl over Garrus when it comes to Turians. (Or perhaps Lorik...damn that guy is smooth...)

Fenris' response

I really gotta get out of Poupon's Archives... its messing with my head.

That's nothing against Gavorn, though, but since Chewin won't share...*sniff** )

Oh I'm sure we'll be able to barter him down, I know how to drive a hard bargin! Chewin!? How does two chickens and a flagon of ale sound? I might even through in my first born daughter if he's in good shape when I get him!

But seriously, lets not claim ownership over turians! I have Lorik plastered all over my profile, but I'm willing to share! Turians are for sharing! Their like those big cups of milkshake that come with two straws! Or a KFC family meal!

Reptilian Rob wrote...

I honestly believe that Garrus will be a BI option. 

The reason I surmize as much is that there is a large fanbase built around him and Bioware would be close to stupid if they didn't please the majority.

Oh I do hope you're right, but I don't think it's certain, then again I am a massive pessimist... What? I'm from the UK, It's in my blood...

And are the people that want garrus to be gay really the majority? I've seen a lot of people who don't want garrus to be gay, more than I've seen on the other side of the debate.

Reptilian Rob wrote...

However in reality all the LI's should be BI, in my opinion. Mass Effect is a game that is meant to be played the way you want and the story is influanced by your choices. Mass Effect, in effect has no "canon" as the player creates the canon and revolves around the games narrative. The more choices a game gives you to that effect the more successful it is in truly being a unique experiance. If you look underneath the coding and audio of the first two Mass Effect games you actually see that there were many BI characters, including Garrus and Tali. However, I believe because of the uninformed and ignorant population that was changed due to it influencing sales.

Well that is a slippery slope if ever I did see one. There are many sides to that debate and not all of them contest each other nessciarly. It seems to me that there is an overwhelming stupidty surrounding the whole thing, I am of course refering to the people who say "Oh garrus can't be gay, because it doesn't suit his character," or "I'm not Homophobic, but they'd have to change garrus' character to make him BI, so I'm against it," or the very worst of them all "Garrus doesn't seem like the kind of person that would be gay."  Now all of these of course draw inspiration from the very thing that angers me to my very core, and that is assumption that for someone to be gay or BI, they have to be some camp, idiotic, flamboyant moron who runs around in short shorts and travels around on rollerblades like f*cking 12 year old. Even the idea that a gay person has to look differant, or act differant in any way just absolutely boils my blood. And yet even still it exists EVERYWHERE! It seems to me that there's this ridiculous ignorance among people and it is really childish. 

Now, what you're saying about LI's all being BI makes perfect sense, however there are problems that arise. The main one being, that there is an incredible amount of people who don't want any of their favourite characters to be BI, simply because the very notion that they could be BI would ruin their fantasy to such a great degree that they wouldn't be able to think of the character in the same way again. God knows theres a stupid amount of people who will never stop treating the ME games as if they were own personal fan-fiction. Ok, these people are idiots, but they are still cosumers, and there are lots of them, can you really blame bioware for listening to them over us?

[AdmiralCheez]

BubbleSauce, you have pretty much summed up my feelings on the s/s debate.

[Annaleah]

BubbleSauce wrote...

Ok, these people are idiots, but they are still cosumers, and there are lots of them, can you really blame bioware for listening to them over us?

Regardless of what Bioware choses to do in this matter, it's going to ****** somebody off. What they have to focus on is pissing the least amount of people off...

[Reptilian Rob]

No no, I didn't mean that the people who want Garrus to be BI are the majority. I'm saying that the the majority are Garrus fans as a WHOLE. You can't please one group without alienating the other, so the best course of action would be to find a middle ground and please as many as you can.

In terms of the fan-base and influence on sales it's hard to comprehend that notion without sounding bias. There are two parties involved here the fans who may or may not make up the majority of sales, and the fans that do. It's hard for any company to gauge sales based on a diverse fan-base who have different ideas and views on the franchise. For instance, I may want Garrus to be BI, but others don't. A company can try to cover all bases with the fans to influence sales, but at the end of the day it really comes down to who you will sell more to.

I honestly never understood why this is such a big deal to begin with in terms of same sex romances in ME. Bioware, in ever iteration of every game they have made had that option implemented. Jade Empire, Dragon Age, hell, even Shattered Steel back in the day had a scene with two pilots who it was insinuated were a same sex couple. It's a dirty double standard Bioware was pulling with Mass Effect and I'm glad Mass Effect 3 is breaking the trend. To simply remove a key character trait that can be ignored if the character wishes them to stay hetro just to influence popularity is something I would only expect from a developer like Bungie or Infinity Ward. You can claim it's a non issue, but speaking to someone who has played most Bioware games (Unfortunately I have missed out on the Dragon Age games, but will fix that soonish) I can't help but feel that Mass Effect was their magnum opus. The culmination of everything they ever did or innovated upon, and it would be a shame to deviate from what you (Bioware) have been doing so well, for so long. And that is the creation of characters and atmospheres that you control, interact with and feel like are real.

And yes, the entire gay stereotype is infuriating. It just solidifies the trouble our planet is in right now, as we speak. Too much ignorance, and it's running our governments and political systems. Sometimes, I feel like I was born on another planet and this is just some strange dream I'm experiencing. 

Modifié par Reptilian Rob, 04 novembre 2011 - 08:53 .

[BubbleSauce]

Annaleah wrote...

BubbleSauce wrote...

Ok, these people are idiots, but they are still cosumers, and there are lots of them, can you really blame bioware for listening to them over us?

Regardless of what Bioware choses to do in this matter, it's going to ****** somebody off. What they have to focus on is pissing the least amount of people off...

That's what I'm saying though, I would have thought that there are more of them than there are of us.

Reptilian Rob wrote...

I honestly never understood why this is such a big deal to begin with in terms of same sex romances in ME. Bioware, in ever iteration of every game they have made had that option implemented. Jade Empire, Dragon Age, hell, even Shattered Steel back in the day had a scene with two pilots who it was insinuated were a same sex couple. It's a dirty double standard Bioware was pulling with Mass Effect and I'm glad Mass Effect 3 is breaking the trend. To simply remove a key character trait that can be ignored if the character wishes them to stay hetro just to influence popularity is something I would only expect from a developer like Bungie or Infinity Ward. You can claim it's a non issue, but speaking to someone who has played most Bioware games (Unfortunately I have missed out on the Dragon Age games, but will fix that soonish) I can't help but feel that Mass Effect was their magnum opus. The culmination of everything they ever did or innovated upon, and it would be a shame to deviate from what you (Bioware) have been doing so well, for so long. And that is the creation of characters and atmospheres that you control, interact with and feel like are real

Well, I wouldn't slate someone for suggesting that mass effect is their attempt at breaking the mainstream console audiance, maybe it's simply a case of bioware underestimating that audiance? I mean stuff like skyrim has shown that the supposedly "mainstream" audiance is perfectly fine with those sorts of things, after ME1 rolled around, bioware said that they were surprised at the amount of people who wanted a romance with Tali, and now we have Skyrim, that allows you to enter same-sex marrage with an argonian. (Which I am totally going to do, if not just for the novelty of being able to be vampire and marry a lizard man.) Ok, so yeah there's a 4 years gap inbetween those games, but how much could the audiance have matured in 4 years?

Modifié par BubbleSauce, 04 novembre 2011 - 09:26 .

[Twilight_Princess]

I'm totally going to be make an argonian character next week . Can't wait, I'm going to name her Clever-Girl

[Liec]

OMG, no one deserves to be compared to bronies D:

[BubbleSauce]

That's a very good point Arcian, but even still it doesn't mean that it's in any way fair for anyone to say that all members of the LGBT community are like that.

Also what on earth are bronies?

Modifié par BubbleSauce, 04 novembre 2011 - 10:26 .

[GarrusV4karian]

Annaleah wrote...
Fenris' response

I really gotta get out of Poupon's Archives... its messing with my head.

Fenris will hunt Chewin down and there be none left of him:lol:

[Chewin]

BubbleSauce wrote...
Also what on earth are bronies?

The more you know.

UrsulaCousland wrote...
Gavorn's all yours, Chewin! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

In that case I want Solana too.

GarrusV4karian wrote...
Fenris will hunt Chewin down and there be none left of him

Anders will protect me.

Modifié par Chewin3, 04 novembre 2011 - 10:40 .

[BubbleSauce]

Chewin3 wrote...

UrsulaCousland wrote...
Gavorn's all yours, Chewin! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

In that case I want Solana too.

Lol, Lovgreno will destroy you...

[Chewin]

BubbleSauce wrote...
Lol, Lovgreno will destroy you...

I have my tricks to deal with him.

[GarrusV4karian]

Chewin3 wrote...

GarrusV4karian wrote...
Fenris will hunt Chewin down and there be none left of him

Anders will protect me.

Hmm, I sense a great battle will accrue...

Modifié par GarrusV4karian, 04 novembre 2011 - 10:53 .

[BubbleSauce]

Chewin3 wrote...

BubbleSauce wrote...
Lol, Lovgreno will destroy you...

I have my tricks to deal with him.

Wow, that's ominous... I can't help but think that one of you isn't going to escape this encounter alive...

Oh and also, here's Saren!



BeyaWolf

[lovgreno]

Chewin3 wrote...

BubbleSauce wrote...
Lol, Lovgreno will destroy you...

I have my tricks to deal with him.

Bah, I didn't fall for Gavorn tricks so what could you do to fool me?

[lovgreno]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

I'm totally going to be make an argonian character next week . Can't wait, I'm going to name her Clever-Girl

Of course I will play as a argonian next week. They are almost as awesome as turians.

[BubbleSauce]

lovgreno wrote...

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

I'm totally going to be make an argonian character next week . Can't wait, I'm going to name her Clever-Girl

Of course I will play as a argonian next week. They are almost as awesome as turians.

I didn't play Elder scrolls 4 (muhaha!) So I'm basically just playing off that fact that IT'S A MOTHERF*CKING LIZARD, AND I CAN MARRY IT! That's weird, sign me up!

[Chewin]

lovgreno wrote...
Bah, I didn't fall for Gavorn tricks so what could you do to fool me?

I hold the power of a jedi.

[lovgreno]

BubbleSauce wrote...
I didn't play Elder scrolls 4 (muhaha!) So I'm basically just playing off that fact that IT'S A MOTHERF*CKING LIZARD, AND I CAN MARRY IT! That's weird, sign me up!

Yes, that's all we realy need to know right? It's a bit like the Garrus romance: I already knew that Garrus is awesome but even if I didn't I would still romance him because IT'S A DARN SPACE LIZARD AND I CAN SEDUCE IT! Is that weird? Who cares, sign me up!

[lovgreno]

Chewin3 wrote...

lovgreno wrote...
Bah, I didn't fall for Gavorn tricks so what could you do to fool me?

I hold the power of a jedi.

Solana is not the turian you are looking for.

I make double posts with no shame.

Edit: Darn TotP, sneaking up on you when you least expect it. Have a hypnotic turian stare:

Modifié par lovgreno, 05 novembre 2011 - 12:27 .