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[UrsulaCousland]

jreezy wrote...

Arcian wrote...

The comment that Garrus makes in this clip... priceless.

Honestly, how does he not have one of those?

Seriously. 

*is now completely amp'd for March...*

[outmane]

Comsky159 wrote...

Does anyone really believe you're going to be able to start a romance with Garrus in ME3, s/s or no? If so I'm afraid you're not being very pragmatic. Having a romance in ME2 and then implementing another opportunity in the game immediately after is a little ridiculous. The presence of two romance pathways (and likely two friendship pathways adjoined) which must logically at some point converge involves a large number of new variables and heightened complexity which can only result in either the pre-existing romance or new romance being neglected for the sake of the other.

Already in ME2 we have seen the friendship with both Garrus and Tali radically condensed as romance becomes available. The platonic relationship focus for both genders was significantly reduced. The result of increasing permutations here would likely be even less satisfactory.

If you still don't believe me take a look at Liara in ME2. She comes across as the developer's favourite in the series. Plot armor, patent coercion towards her romance both in-game and in the comic and an entire DLC to herself. Yet if there wasn't a romance flagged from ME1, an ME2 romance was made impossible, so that Shepard could continue but not instigate a relationship in LOTSB.

Quite frankly, if Bioware's golden girl was not given special treatment in this department then don't bet on any of the ME2 crowd becoming available again.

Your point makes sense but I got a question: who will the players who get introduced to ME universe in ME3 be romancing? the devs did say that ME3 would be both a payoff for the series fan and a selfcontained story for the new palers. They also said that ME3 team would be smaller then ME2's.

Since they probably wont give us 6 new LI characters (like in ME2 ), its not entirely crazy that old squaddies be availible to romance again. 

I personaly believe that VS and Liara have more chance to be availible as LI for new players in ME3 but thats jsut as speculative as thinking Garrus could be availible to new players (and old ones for s/s).

Bioware has tried the 'everyone is availible' option in DA2, who knows what they will try in ME3 ?

[Annihilator27]

Heres the Garrus video for ME3

[AlphaDormante]

outmane wrote...

Your last post did not come to me as aggressive or denying the imbalance of romance options in the ME series as you seem to worry about. 

Its normal to worry about implementation of s/s romance with characters like Garrus. Cause bioware doesnt have a perfect record with handling big changes in relationships. But the ones who have the most at stake are players who are waiting for the occasion to finally play their Shep as they expect him to be. In the end, how s/s would be implemented with Garrus wouldnt make much difference for ppl who dont want to experience it (since Bioware romances are ususally optional and initiated by the player).

I see; that's good, thanks for letting me know. I'm used to being aggressive during debates, so in a somewhat sensitive topic like this, I'm always worrying about coming across as rude or forceful when it wasn't my intention.

As for your other point, I agree. I don't personally plan to romance Garrus with a male Shepard, but I do still want the writing to do him justice, you know? Not only for my own purposes, but because I don't want the many people who do want to romance him to be disappointed. Of course, there's always going to be someone unhappy with how things are handled, but I'm sure that good, solid writing can curb their numbers.

[Twilight_Princess]

 

Comsky159 wrote...

Does anyone really believe you're going to be able to start a romance with Garrus in ME3, s/s or no? If so I'm afraid you're not being very pragmatic. Having a romance in ME2 and then implementing another opportunity in the game immediately after is a little ridiculous.

This is the reason why I'm being such a cynical sally about ANY of the me2 bunch having a fresh romance in ME3. It’s not that I wouldn’t like that, it’s just I can’t honestly see bioware doing it. Both from a story standpoint (as you said it might feel too immediate) and the amount of LI’s that would hypothetically make (can’t see bioware having 12 something people to romance from the get go in ME3).  Honestly I’m expecting  the ME2 romances to be only available as imports.

outmane wrote...


Your point makes sense but I got a question: who will the players who get introduced to ME universe in ME3 be romancing? the devs did say that ME3 would be both a payoff for the series fan and a selfcontained story for the new palers. They also said that ME3 team would be smaller then ME2's.

Since they probably wont give us 6 new LI characters (like in ME2 ), its not entirely crazy that old squaddies be availible to romance again.

I personaly believe that VS and Liara have more chance to be availible as LI for new players in ME3 but thats jsut as speculative as thinking Garrus could be availible to new players (and old ones for s/s).

Bioware has tried the 'everyone is availible' option in DA2, who knows what they will try in ME3 ?

 
Actually I think it would end up being a decent number, vega + new female character + Liara+ VS+ past character not available before (joker maybe) then you got the possible non-squaddie romances . But Like I said there is no way they are going to have 12 something romances from the get go and rather than pick a few from the me2 bunch (thus pissing off people) they will probably say they are only renewing the old crew because it’s been  long enough (a game apart) and also for the people who didn’t get a chance to romance them before (Ps3 users)

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 06 novembre 2011 - 03:21 .

[Annaleah]

annihilator27 wrote...

Heres the Garrus video for ME3

Wow... whoever made that had quite a lot of resources at their disposal and somehow managed to make it embarassing for both Garrus and the Sniper from TF2...

[Alanosborn1991]

Just saw a HD Sur Kesh mission with Garrus and he was amazing!

Survivng bombs hidden around doorways, questioning why he doesnt have a pistol like Major Kirahees that shoots sticky bombs. And being an all around boss.

I hope Garrus gets good romance dialog time in ME3.

Femshep needs to give Garrus hugs!

[Reptilian Rob]

Obsydian wrote...

wait. wait... where did this happen??? when?

Garrus will always go with me everywhere forever anyway...

Can I come too?

[Reptilian Rob]

BubbleSauce wrote...

I've tried countless times to save the hopeless bastard and it never works!

We need to have a talk Bubble...

[BubbleSauce]

AlphaDormante wrote...

BubbleSauce wrote...

In case you haven't noticed, garrus wasn't meant to be a romancible character in the first place, so that point is kind of mute. And complications such as what exactly? And if you feel this way about all romances then why did you single out the same sex ones? Why would the writing for the same sex romances be any worse or any better that the straight romances.

Sorry, but I'm afraid if anything you've made yourself more unclear...  

I already said that I addressed the s/s romance because it was the topic of discussion. Why would I come into the conversation and start talking about my worries for the Kaidan romance when everyone else is talking about the Garus s/s romance? It's a bit unfair to say things like I'm singling this one out when I'm contributing to the same conversation as everyone else is. The only difference is that my opinion isn't the same.

Because it doesn't directly pertain to a same sex garrus romance, you just said it pertains to everyone,so why would you post your concerns here instead of posting them in the same-sex romance thread? And the reason I said you were singleing out a bi-sexual garrus romance, is because you were, you directly adressed the bi-sexual garrus romance and didn't use any other examples, it's perfectly fair for me to think that singled S/S romances out, because you did. You've clarified that point now, but you haven't given a single reason as to why S/S romances would be written any better or any worse than the straight ones.

AlphaDormante wrote...

I also worried when I knew that Garrus was a LI for FemShep in ME2. I turned out liking his romance, but at the same time, there were quite a few of the other ME2 romances that I didn't like.

Ok, some romances were good, some were bad, could your problem just be that  the romances as a whole are inconsistant in quality? Yes, Jacob's "prize" was cringeworthy, but then you still have romances like garrus's, jack's, tali's and thanes, ones that are well written and meaningful. So the bioware writers don't strike it perfect eveytime.

You're saying that we shouldn't be able to have same-sex romances in mass effect, just because you couldn't bare it if they screwed it up? You can't be serious....

Surmansuuhun wrote...

 So, to put it differently, some guy in Mass Effect 3 is going to be Commander Shepard's favorite screw on the Citadel. And the Normandy. And the Mako 2.0. And maybe even a dying Reaper for the lulz. As it's going down, so is Shepard. ;D

Oh god I can imagine it now! Hundreds of husks being hurled at you, peice of debree flying everywhere, explosions and gun fire going off all around, and then you have shepard running around shooting things while simultaneously nailing kaiden. *sigh*

Modifié par BubbleSauce, 06 novembre 2011 - 01:46 .

[Surmansuuhun]

BubbleSauce wrote...

Surmansuuhun wrote...

 So, to put it differently, some guy in Mass Effect 3 is going to be Commander Shepard's favorite screw on the Citadel. And the Normandy. And the Mako 2.0. And maybe even a dying Reaper for the lulz. As it's going down, so is Shepard. ;D

Oh god I can imagine it now! Hundreds of husks being hurled at you, peice of debree flying everywhere, explosions and gun fire going off all around, and then you have shepard running around shooting things while simultaneously nailing kaiden. *sigh*

That sigh better be a swoon for Shepards awesomeness and not a sigh of longsuffering because the latter would mean you took my post seriously. =P

[BubbleSauce]

Surmansuuhun wrote...

BubbleSauce wrote...

Surmansuuhun wrote...

 So, to put it differently, some guy in Mass Effect 3 is going to be Commander Shepard's favorite screw on the Citadel. And the Normandy. And the Mako 2.0. And maybe even a dying Reaper for the lulz. As it's going down, so is Shepard. ;D

Oh god I can imagine it now! Hundreds of husks being hurled at you, peice of debree flying everywhere, explosions and gun fire going off all around, and then you have shepard running around shooting things while simultaneously nailing kaiden. *sigh*

That sigh better be a swoon for Shepards awesomeness and not a sigh of longsuffering because the latter would mean you took my post seriously. =P

It was the former. 

[AdmiralCheez]

After watching the Sur'Kesh mission in its entirety, I am confident that Garrus' writing will be as awesome as ever.

The one-liners alone. Guys, I will be doing nothing but quoting Garrus for the next three months after ME3 comes out.

[AlphaDormante]

BubbleSauce wrote...

Because it doesn't directly pertain to a same sex garrus romance, you just said it pertains to everyone,so why would you post your concerns here instead of posting them in the same-sex romance thread? And the reason I said you were singleing out a bi-sexual garrus romance, is because you were, you directly adressed the bi-sexual garrus romance and didn't use any other examples, it's perfectly fair for me to think that singled S/S romances out, because you did. You've clarified that point now, but you haven't given a single reason as to why S/S romances would be written any better or any worse than the straight ones.

I never said that the m/f romances would be better. What on Earth did I do to imply that? Expressing my concerns with a single romance automatically means I'm hailing every other romance on a golden pedestal? I posted my worries here because I had worries about the Garrus S/S romance, and everyone was talking about the Garrus S/S romance. How does one get to "you're singling this romance out" from that? Has everyone who does approve of the romance been throwing out their excitement for the other romances in every post? I'm sorry that you don't agree with me, but don't accuse me of things I haven't done.

Ok, some romances were good, some were bad, could your problem just be that  the romances as a whole are inconsistant in quality? Yes, Jacob's "prize" was cringeworthy, but then you still have romances like garrus's, jack's, tali's and thanes, ones that are well written and meaningful. So the bioware writers don't strike it perfect eveytime.

You're saying that we shouldn't be able to have same-sex romances in mass effect, just because you couldn't bare it if they screwed it up? You can't be serious....

I never said that, either. In fact, I've specifically said that I support same-sex romances. Multiple times. I'd appreciate it if you stopped putting words in my mouth.

Would you be as upset if I said that I had concerns with the m/f Garrus romance? Because I do. I'm worried that they'll treat it as a one-night stand, or that it will still be awkward, and all other sorts of stuff. And unless saying that automatically translates as one: I'd prefer the romance not be in there at all, and two: I'm singling it out because I hate it so much, I really have no idea why this is so offensive.

I didn't mean to stir up so much trouble My apologies, guys.

Modifié par AlphaDormante, 06 novembre 2011 - 07:26 .

[UrsulaCousland]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

After watching the Sur'Kesh mission in its entirety, I am confident that Garrus' writing will be as awesome as ever.

The one-liners alone. Guys, I will be doing nothing but quoting Garrus for the next three months after ME3 comes out.

You and most of the rest of us, I suspect. It seems like his writing is...

Wait for it...

Impressive!

[lovgreno]

The sarcasm duels between Garrus and Wrex or Tali have potential. Especialy if they hopefully gang up on Shepard with deadpan snarkiness.

[BubbleSauce]

AlphaDormante wrote...

I posted my worries here because I had worries about the Garrus S/S romance, and everyone was talking about the Garrus S/S romance. How does one get to "you're singling this romance out" from that?

Because that was the only example that you gave? And the problem isn't just one for garrus, it's for every romance, so posting it here instead of, oh I don't know, making your own thread, is a little silly?

AlphaDormante wrote...

Would you be as upset if I said that I had concerns with the m/f Garrus romance? Because I do. I'm worried that they'll treat it as a one-night stand, or that it will still be awkward, and all other sorts of stuff. And unless saying that automatically translates as one: I'd prefer the romance not be in there at all, and two: I'm singling it out because I hate it so much, I really have no idea why this is so offensive.

I didn't mean to stir up so much trouble My apologies, guys.

Well that's how exactly how I interpreted it, so I'd put that down to a miscommunication, and I didn't say that you thought the straight romances would be any better at all, where did I even imply that?
And it's clear that this problem you have doesn't pertains directly to garrus's S/S romance, so why did you give that as your only example? Once agian, merely a miscommunication I should suspect. 

What trouble? It's not offensive at all and for gods sake don't apoligise for it. So your worried the writers won't handle it properly, that's fine, the thing I'm trying to figure out is how the hell this relates to garrus having a S/S romance at all. I'd say that the same fears would apply to every romace whether they be straight or S/S wouldn't you agree?

[AdmiralCheez]

lovgreno wrote...

The sarcasm duels between Garrus and Wrex or Tali have potential. Especialy if they hopefully gang up on Shepard with deadpan snarkiness.

Oh yes.  I am looking forward to all that squad banter.

My favorite line from Tali was in ME1, when you accept that quest from the freelancing programmer on Feros.

"What is it about you that makes people assume we enjoy putting ourselves in mortal danger?!"

[Obsydian]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

 

Comsky159 wrote...

Does anyone really believe you're going to be able to start a romance with Garrus in ME3, s/s or no? If so I'm afraid you're not being very pragmatic. Having a romance in ME2 and then implementing another opportunity in the game immediately after is a little ridiculous.

This is the reason why I'm being such a cynical sally about ANY of the me2 bunch having a fresh romance in ME3. It’s not that I wouldn’t like that, it’s just I can’t honestly see bioware doing it. Both from a story standpoint (as you said it might feel too immediate) and the amount of LI’s that would hypothetically make (can’t see bioware having 12 something people to romance from the get go in ME3).  Honestly I’m expecting  the ME2 romances to be only available as imports.

so what happened to the theory that Kaidan and Ashley will be available as s/s romances?  or what about the rumors about Joker?   

[Homebound]

on an unrelated note, does clint mansell's music in the demo have traces of "UP"s montage song?
i ask becuz its in arcians videos.

also, "Oh Crap." so simple yet so quotable.

[AlphaDormante]

BubbleSauce wrote...

Because that was the only example that you gave? And the problem isn't just one for garrus, it's for every romance, so posting it here instead of, oh I don't know, making your own thread, is a little silly?

Look...I talked only about the Garrus s/s romance because that was the topic of discussion. I've said this. I don't know how I'm expected to defend myself when I'm being told that I can't address the topic.

And why should I make my own thread? Am I not welcome to post here, in the Garrus thread, with my Garrus concern? I'm not sure what you want from me.

Well that's how exactly how I interpreted it, so I'd put that down to a miscommunication, and I didn't say that you thought the straight romances would be any better at all, where did I even imply that?

BubbleSauce wrote...

You've clarified that point now, but you haven't given a single reason
as to why S/S romances would be written any better or any worse than the
straight ones.

And it's clear that this problem you have doesn't pertains directly to garrus's S/S romance, so why did you give that as your only example? Once agian, merely a miscommunication I should suspect.

Again: We are in the Garrus thread, talking about Garrus's S/S romance. I really don't think I should need to justify myself for talking about Garrus's S/S romance, when everyone else is talking about his S/S romance, in his character thread. Talking about other characters should not have to be a prerequisite.

What trouble? It's not offensive at all and for gods sake don't apoligise for it. So your worried the writers won't handle it properly, that's fine, the thing I'm trying to figure out is how the hell this relates to garrus having a S/S romance at all. I'd say that the same fears would apply to every romace whether they be straight or S/S wouldn't you agree?

I'm not apologizing for defending myself, oh no. I'm apologizing for bringing drama into the normally-friendly Garrus thread. Didn't mean for that to happen at all. In fact, I'd rather take this to the PMs soon if this isn't resolved.

Listen, I really don't know what the problem is; I'm talking about the same thing everyone else is talking about. I understand that you don't agree with me, and I respect that, but just because two people don't agree doesn't mean one should have to fulfill some kind of requirements that the other one doesn't.

Modifié par AlphaDormante, 06 novembre 2011 - 08:16 .

[BubbleSauce]

Notice that I did not say "any better," I said "Any better or worse." In other words, why would they be any differant?

AlphaDormante wrote...

And why should I make my own thread? Am I not welcome to post here, in the Garrus thread, with my Garrus concern? I'm not sure what you want from me.

No, you don't understand what I mean, I'm not saying that you shouldn't post here, by all means go ahead. But it's just that it's such a wide problem that spans every one of the romances, it seems a little bit weird to me that you would choose a discussion about a single romance (one that hasn't even been confirmed yet) instead of outlining your worry in a thread that covers all romances.

And if anything I'd rather you didn't take it to PM's, If you feel that it's gotten to that point then I think that's as good an indication as any that we should stop.

Modifié par BubbleSauce, 06 novembre 2011 - 08:40 .

[AlphaDormante]

BubbleSauce wrote...

Notice that I did not say "any better," I said "Any better or worse." In other words, why would they be any differant?

Well, you were asking me to give a reason for a point that I never brought up or implied in my original post. It seemed left-field to have to answer something that was never even addressed. Miscommunication, I suppose.

No, you don't understand what I mean, I'm not saying that you shouldn't post here, by all means go ahead. But it's just that it's such a wide problem that spans every one of the romances, it seems a little bit weird to me that you would choose a discussion about a single romance (one that hasn't even been confirmed yet) instead of outlining your worry in a thread that covers all romances.

Sure, I could have posted all of my concerns in the S/S thread, but at the time I was in the Garrus thread and wanted to contribute to the Garrus-related conversation. Give some different insight, you know? I don't think I need a reason more than that to have posted here rather than elsewhere.

Edit: Whoops, Totp! Let's see here...

Modifié par AlphaDormante, 06 novembre 2011 - 08:52 .