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[Xannerz]

Hi everyone.

I got a question. If this has been asked before, my apologies.

Would you have romanced Garrus in ME1? As much as I love the guy, IDK if I would. I feel like he's matured more in ME2, and not in the angsty sense lol... I feel like he's grown as a person overall. What'chu think?

[AlphaDormante]

[quote]Xannerz wrote...

Hi everyone.

I got a question. If this has been asked before, my apologies.

Would you have romanced Garrus in ME1? As much as I love the guy, IDK if I would. I feel like he's matured more in ME2, and not in the angsty sense lol... I feel like he's grown as a person overall. What'chu think?[/quote]

I've addressed this before in another thread, and I feel pretty much the same as you do. Let me see if I can dig up the actual post I made...

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This is how I interpreted things: in ME1, Ashley and Kaidan were at an emotional maturity to support a relationship; as our conversations often centered around philosophy and personal deatails or whatnot, this is the feeling I gathered whenever I spoke to them. Garrus and Tali, however, always struck me as having that level of wide-eyedness and naivety about Shepard and the galaxy around them, like they were still trying to figure out where they "fit" into things much like a young person would. I never got the impression that they were at stages in their lives in which they were ready to enter a serious relationship - especially, as steeply immersed into their own cultures as they were at that point, with a human.

Talking with them both in ME2, though, I immediately got the vibe that both had matured emotionally to the point that a deeper relationship didn't seem so far-fetched. Honestly, I probably wouldn't have even liked relationships with them in the first game for this very reason. As I interpreted it, the reason that Garrus and Tali didn't express intent in ME1 was because they weren't emotionally ready for a relationship, whereas in ME2, they had matured and were then capable of showing interest.

[Twilight_Princess]

Honestly I don’t think it would have worked. The dynamics between them were very different back then, very student/teacher, garrus was also easier to influence since he hadn’t formed strong opinions yet. Romancing him in me1 would have felt like I was taking advantage of my role as a teacher if that makes any sense. ME2 was when he finally became his own man, an equal to shepard, and that’s when it felt right to to pursue a relationship with him. Also because of the nature of the relationship I felt it was necessary to create a history between them first, crossing species like that is not something you do with someone you are just getting to know but with someone you grow to platonically care for first.  

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

I think that the relationship definately had more meaning and a sense of permanence in ME2. Also, the aspect of Garrus' complete loyalty (along with Tali) made an excellent basis to progress to something beyond friendship.

However, given the option, I still would have had a Shep rocking out in the Mako with him an ME1 if it could be done

[outmane]

I feel pretty much like Hyrule and Tasha.

Would my canon Shep have romanced Garrus back then... well probably. I mean he was already badass and cute. But it certainly wouldnt be on the same grounds that she's romancing him in ME2. They have a much stronger relationship then they could have had in ME1... that would have been more of a fling I guess. Waiting for things to evolve naturally in ME2 is probably why Garrus romance is so interesting. Hes one of the few LIs that are on equal ground with Shep (once you hit ME2 and can romance him), unlike the VS who was under Shep in military ranks or the Cerberus personal who is there for the mission first.

[UrsulaCousland]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

Honestly I don’t think it would have worked. The dynamics between them were very different back then, very student/teacher, garrus was also easier to influence since he hadn’t formed strong opinions yet. Romancing him in me1 would have felt like I was taking advantage of my role as a teacher if that makes any sense. ME2 was when he finally became his own man, an equal to shepard, and that’s when it felt right to to pursue a relationship with him. Also because of the nature of the relationship I felt it was necessary to create a history between them first, crossing species like that is not something you do with someone you are just getting to know but with someone you grow to platonically care for first.  

Well said. This covers the appeal of the Garrus romance very well as far as I'm concerned. The very history between them is what makes it compelling, but you have to have the 'unromanceable' ME1 stage for that to really make sense.  The whole 'trust' factor means a lot, and that's in the context of their extensive history. 

[Chewin]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

Honestly I don’t think it would have worked. The dynamics between them were very different back then, very student/teacher, garrus was also easier to influence since he hadn’t formed strong opinions yet. Romancing him in me1 would have felt like I was taking advantage of my role as a teacher if that makes any sense. ME2 was when he finally became his own man, an equal to shepard, and that’s when it felt right to to pursue a relationship with him. Also because of the nature of the relationship I felt it was necessary to create a history between them first, crossing species like that is not something you do with someone you are just getting to know but with someone you grow to platonically care for first.  

Yup. Agreed.


Though some would still call it fan service. Whether it's true or not, I don't really care. Covering it up with an explanation like that works for me:whistle:

[Obsydian]

fan service, my butt. its totally plausable. and i agree with the rest of you guys... much as i adore him, he was too reckless.

and i mean seriously.... after just losing my Nihlus, woulda been hard to start another relationship that soon.

[Bugsie]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

Honestly I don’t think it would have worked. The dynamics between them were very different back then, very student/teacher, garrus was also easier to influence since he hadn’t formed strong opinions yet. Romancing him in me1 would have felt like I was taking advantage of my role as a teacher if that makes any sense. ME2 was when he finally became his own man, an equal to shepard, and that’s when it felt right to to pursue a relationship with him. Also because of the nature of the relationship I felt it was necessary to create a history between them first, crossing species like that is not something you do with someone you are just getting to know but with someone you grow to platonically care for first.  

I totally agree with this.  I feel the same way about Tali, my companions in ME1 my close relationship/sismance/lovers in ME2.  People can cry fanservice, but what LI isn't fanservice?  (If the word is used correctly that is...)

Fanservice is just another word on BSN for 'my LI is much deeper and more meaningful than yours' and is usually applied in an insulting manner.

I never had a great connection with any LI in ME1, not that I don't like or appreciate ME1 LI, it's I prefer my ME2 ones.

Or maybe I was just waiting for Garrus 

[Twilight_Princess]

I was thinking of another reason to dispute the fanservice accusation. Tali and garrus becoming romancable did serve a purpose story wise that doesn’t have anything to do with fanservice (if you ignore their popularity for a moment). Liara and the VS’s rejection of shepard  (whether you romanced them or not) was jarring and no doubt gave shepard a new perspective of who was truly loyal to her and there for her. Since Garrus and Tali were your ONLY remaining ME1 crew by default I don’t think it was farfetched to make them romancable in this sense. Obviously it is more effective if you romanced Liara or the VS previously but Garrus and Tali being the only ME1 crewmates there for you in ME2 is why it made sense for them to become romancable.


I also think it acts as a good potential plot device to have available (love triangles!) and no doubt will create some interesting drama in ME3 due to the fact they were all part of the old crew.   It’s one thing knowing the person you loved moved on with someone you don’t know, but an old crew mate? Someone you were once friends with? I for one am interested in how they will play out since they will be a lot more personal then the other ME2 romances.

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 19 novembre 2011 - 12:53 .

[Bugsie]

As long as the love triangle is believable. Drama for drama sake is poor writing IMHO, especially if the characters become OOC in order to create that drama (oh the bad fanfics I've read lately in regard to that!) I don't want to see for example, Kaidan and Garrus duking it out in some fight, but if they make the tension just right, the decision for Shepard as to what he/she does (omg consequences!) will be very interesting!

[Twilight_Princess]

Buggirl70 wrote...

As long as the love triangle is believable. Drama for drama sake is poor writing IMHO, especially if the characters become OOC in order to create that drama (oh the bad fanfics I've read lately in regard to that!) I don't want to see for example, Kaidan and Garrus duking it out in some fight, but if they make the tension just right, the decision for Shepard as to what he/she does (omg consequences!) will be very interesting!

Yeah no fisty cuffs. That wouldn't be in character for garrus at all. The conflict I'm expecting is more  "I fought along side you and worked with you, how did you think being with the woman I loved was ok?" verses garrus's "You weren't there for shepard when she needed you".

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 19 novembre 2011 - 01:07 .

[Bugsie]

Yeah something like that would work for me. Considering how many people I know are caught in that 'stupid love triangle' I suspect others might like it to play out like that too! Although others might want more, it wouldn't do either character justice, but I guess that's a case of YMMV.

[outmane]

The love triangle I see between FemShep Kaidan and Garrus would revolve around trust and loyalty (Garrus/Shep being an example of trust and Shep/Kaidan being more about loyalty).

We sometime forget that the FemShep Liara Garrus triangle also exist. But Im pretty sure it is way less common. I dont know what to think of that one. How do you guys imagine a FemShep who would go from Liara to Garrus?
She wants someone more active? (Liara before being the SB was more of a bookworm)
She discovered she was attracted to other species with Liara then Garrus became interested?
Or maybe she was just hurt Liara was to busy to help her out and turned to some trust?

[Bugsie]

What was it that a romanced Liara says in LotSB if you romanced Garrus too? I suspect that one to be slightly more tricky and likely less common as you say.

The thing about Garrus is that I wouldn't expect him to be really snarky if you went back to an old LI, he would likely be hurt, but he seems the type to be magnaminous in that regard.

[Xannerz]

Lovin' the input!

I didn't romance anyone in ME1. It's not that I hated the love interests (I really don't understand the hate the VS gets) but, really, I was just waiting for Garrus LOLOLOL.

I can't imagine Kaidan or Garrus fighting over Shepard physically. It's juvenile, and I feel as though - given their time apart - Kaidan would understand why Shepard moved on with another LI. 

Now, if Shepard cheats on ME1 LI with an ME2 LI, then cheats on those two with an ME3 LI... Lol, I wonder how that'd play out, if even possible.

Modifié par Xannerz, 19 novembre 2011 - 02:18 .

[outmane]

I would expect there be a big diffrence between the emotions felt and the emotion shown in both Kaidan and Garrus case in regard to the whole love triangle possibilities (staying with Garrus or going back to Kaidan). as we discussed a long time ago (In the ME2 thread I think), both man care and respect Shep enough to let her decide. They wouldnt come to blow over it. But their relationship would be colder then if nothing happened (im not sure if Bioware will be able to render all those small LI details but one can hope).
I could see Kaidan keeping it all inside and eventually <explode> at an unexpected moment either toward Shep or Garrus (I got the mental image of ME1-like debriefs going bad).
If Shep goes back to Kaidan then I can certainly see Garrus being distant but professional (like how disturbed he was about Sidonis. He shut down completely and we only got 1 convo out of him until his LM). I can also see him being sour toward Kaidan or just more cynical about life in general (I know theu wont make diffrent comments for him jsut for that scenario but I can see him being bitter about everything during missions for a while)

[Ariadnee]

Buggirl70 wrote...

What was it that a romanced Liara says in LotSB if you romanced Garrus too?

"And now Garrus has been doing a lot more than just calibrating the Normandy's weapons"

[Twilight_Princess]

I really hope they make a distinction between the VS triangle and the Liara triangle. Especially if you slept with Liara again in LotSB, now that was definitely cheating.  I hope the ME2 LI gets more pissed about the LotSB situation since shepard lied and was two timing people who specifically said they wouldn’t put up with love triangles (that’s ALL the ME2 LI’s). In that instance I can picture shouting and the exchanging of angry words, even by even the most mildest of characters. Horizon is a different situation all together though and I see characters like kaidan and garrus being very civil about it.

[Liec]

Do you think there's gonna be any consequences if you reject Garrus at the romance scene or if you break off the relationship after that? :3

[mythlover20]

I agree with Buggirl70. Garruswould definitely be hurt, but, like outmane said, remain professional, if aloof, after that. He acts that was a little already if you reject him in ME2 and move on to someone else. I would imagine that, after being with Shepard, being rejected by her for someone else would result in a much more ...( I want to say dramatic but that's not the right word) version of that.
He wouldn't leave, there's too much at stake and garrus is far too honourable to let personal feelings get in the way of the mission, but he would be a lot more bitter afterwards.

[Twilight_Princess]

Liec wrote...

Do you think there's gonna be any consequences if you reject Garrus at the romance scene or if you break off the relationship after that? :3

A mention would be nice because that was a bloody cold thing for shepard to do that far into romance.  What's weird is that you can't do that with all the characters

Thane- you just tell him he's nervous not that you're breaking up with him (does this affect the letter though?)
Miranda- much like the suicide mission there's no getting rid of her at that stage
Jacob- I THINK you don't break up with him by saying no to the prize, just that there'll be a better time

[Xannerz]

 

mythlover20 wrote...
I agree with Buggirl70. Garruswould definitely be hurt, but, like outmane said, remain professional, if aloof, after that.

It's a sad thought, but realistic.

@Liec: Definitely. I would like to imagine Garrus subtely dropping a comment or two about it later on, but generally he's a pretty closed guy. He'd try to keep focused. Initially, the romance seems like a fling, but as it progresses it becomes more apparant than he does care for Shepard in that way, and I find that totally sweet. I saw the break-up video. Totally broke my heart. D:

[outmane]

Liec wrote...

Do you think there's gonna be any consequences if you reject Garrus at the romance scene or if you break off the relationship after that? :3

For me I draw the line at them having their special moment together before the SM. I know it sounds cheezy and I do see romance that way usually but in this particular instance its what makes the mroe sense.

A rejected Garrus at the last minute will probably be cold to Shep for a while but the relation would heal and I can picture htem being close friends again with time and a little effort. His rejection dialogue hints at that too.

But if you break up the relation after that (in ME3 in other words), I dont think the friend relation would survive. That impression comes from many things. The way Garrus handles betrayal (Sidonis). His way to put work first when things are rough and close himself off. His cynical view of things. What it means to him to ve intimite with someone of an other species.
He would certainly not compromise the mision in any way. But then he would have to go his own way and hed probably stay scarred by it.

[Ariadnee]

Breaking up with him after the suicide mission would be rather cruel, especially after he said about wanting something to go right for once I imagine he would become very bitter, cold and closed off towards Shepard. Gosh, I hate even thinking about this - it breaks my heart

EDIT: My first TOTP Manly hugs all around!

Modifié par Ariadnee, 19 novembre 2011 - 04:45 .