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Ariadnee

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Demonique wrote...

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 I think I'm going to retreat back to here & Clan V and avoid the rest of the forums. All the vitriolic Tali-hate going on in the main forums is doing my head in. I'm hoping they don't turn their attention to the other half of Team Dextro :pinched: 



Why are people hating on Tali? People who romanced a ME2 squaddie who feel hard done by or some other ridiculous reason?


Yup pretty much. Seems to be a lot of Miranda-mancers on the offensive :pinched: Every Miranda thread seems to become a Tali hate thread. Can't we all just get along ?:crying:

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I find Liara's anti-death magic unsettling (and that protective dive Shepard did in LOTSB was really annoying), but you don't see me hunting down Liara fans to vent. It's all goooooooooood. >_>

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Xannerz wrote...

I find Liara's anti-death magic unsettling (and that protective dive Shepard did in LOTSB was really annoying), but you don't see me hunting down Liara fans to vent. It's all goooooooooood. >_>


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But despite all that I don't "hate" her character . I even made an attempt this ME1 play through to get over my ninja- mance fear and get through ALL her convos because I wanted to know her better (just took some retry's to say the correct things to avoid it). Plus I liked her character development in LotSB and especially liked that she acknowledged your decisions (including your LI). While I would have preferred that meaningful kind of talk with someone else (as my sheps aren't closest to Liara) I still liked that my shep could vent to someone and I am patient enough to wait to have a talk like that with the other squadmates in ME3.

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Going to run through another playthrough to romance Garrus instead of Thane, I kinda miss him when he isn't romanced. Plus I just love my head canon back story of him watching from afar while she romances Kaidan in ME1.

I really, really don't get the characters hate in MEverse. I even get some of the hate in DAverse because some characters hate eachother, so you feel a little loyalty defensive. My Femshep is super cool about Grunt, until he dicides to hate Turians and then she pulls out the gun and tells him to "stay away from her Garrus god damnit." (head canon-ly she does anywho.) But alost all the characters get along or don't interact with one another. They are all so well written. I dunno, I love them all. Most love goes for Thane/Garrus/Mordin/Tali/Grunt/Jack/Samara/Miranda and Jacob in that order.

Yet they all have moments that literally grab all my heart strings and make me want to cuddle them... well maybe not Jacob but that only cause I never attempt to romance him so I only ever het the "Bah, who need him, lets get loud and spill drinks"

Was reading the stuff on Garrus for the LotSB and I really can't wait to see if any of it changes if he is romanced. Wonder if it will create tension between Kaiden and Garrus if you "dump Kaiden in ME2 for some Turian love. That would be cool to have a confrontation scene, though not great for... lets all have eachothers back going into the final battle vibe. still awesome... Femshep doesn't get fought over enough. :P

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Demonique wrote...

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I think Pyn means the commands to the model in the dialogue/cutscenes remain, so if Shepard's model is supposed to "smile," Saren's model does the predetermined Turian equivalent. Someone played ME2 with Garrus as Shepard and there was a pic of Garrus during one of the romance scenes trying to do either "sexy half-smile" or "rapeface" (I can't remember) but it was truly hideous. *shudder* So, if you know what Shepard was supposed to be doing in that scene you can see what the Turian equivalent is.


Was the hideous Garrus smile the one featured in that demotivational pic about stuffing bodies into carpets?


Oo, I didn't see that one! ...Do I want to? :huh:

Hmm, I found Garrus' down-swivel on youtube and it seems to be a... smile(?):


In the same conversation Kaidan grins at that point (skip to 2:35):


Um, what have I missed? I agree that Garrus would prioritize Reapers over cleaning up Omega and follow Shepard (+/- team in tow). He must be going out of his mind after Shep gets arrested and probably needs Tali or Liara to restrain him from trying to see her/break her out of there. I got ninjamanced by Liara but still like the other LI's and wish people would stop bashing each other. :crying:

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Saddening, but human nature for those that feel that they've been wronged to lash out at those that they feel are more fortunate than themselves, regardless of an actual connection to blame.

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foxtrotcharlie wrote...

outmane wrote...

Imagine if you had to go through all the LIs trying to get with your Shep and shut them down one by one....

I think im fine with player initiated romances. It keeps ninjamances at bay. And it means s/s can be availible in ME3 without people getting crazy on the forum.

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This, big time.

Although I understand the disgruntlement that arrives about the fact that it has to be Shepard which initiates the romance, story-wise, I think that it is a feature that just has to exist.  I never accidentally romanced Zevran or Leliana, (Alistair was the only guy for me, lolz) but from the many stories I've heard, it was rediculously easy to mistakenly flirt with them.:huh:

I found the same to be true with Jacob. I honestly really do like Jacob, but I found myself practically tiptoeing around the wheel to make sure that FemShep's voice did not come out sexy and flirtatious when I was just trying to be polite. <_< And I knew when I was wrong too, Jeezz, it felt like I was playing La Noire all over again . :D

So would there be a way for certain companions to hit on the commander? I suppose it could be implimented, but I fear that, as outmame writes, the fallout from the community would be tremendous.  At least for this, it is safer for the control to be in Shepard's hands.

But I think that in ME3, Garrus will definately be more vocal in his feelings, as well as in his role in his relationship with Shepard.  Just a feeling...:innocent:


Yep I think it had to happen that way in game.  I wouldn't want it to be like in ME1 where I had to be mean to Liara to stop her from romancing me :P

Still, I would've liked some acknowledgment (maybe after the romance started) by maybe Joker or Tali that Garrus was interested in Shepard long before the romance started.  Something like "I always thought he cared for you more than he realized" or something similar to what an unromanced Liara says about Tali in LOTSB.  But I think it does fit his character that he never initiates the romance.  He doesn't seem like the type to want to damage the friendship they already have, even though he may have feelings for her, and puts that and the mission ahead of how he feels.  Makes sense :)

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I think Bioware tried to do that with Kasumi mentioning it, but by then, a lot of players had already gone through a playthrough with him. Nonetheless, I do appreciate those little touches.
With the relationship established in ME3, it's likely that we'll see more reciprocity from Garrus now that he knows how Shepard feels about him.
Curious, anyone brave enough to find out what happens if you break it off with him in ME3? I know I don't want to see...

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PrimalEden wrote...

I think Bioware tried to do that with Kasumi mentioning it, but by then, a lot of players had already gone through a playthrough with him. Nonetheless, I do appreciate those little touches.
With the relationship established in ME3, it's likely that we'll see more reciprocity from Garrus now that he knows how Shepard feels about him.
Curious, anyone brave enough to find out what happens if you break it off with him in ME3? I know I don't want to see...


Garrus doesn't strike me as the vindictive type.  When you tease him in ME2 he comes back with more jokes about himself. 

Now on the other hand, betraying him with the cost of lives under his charge is not something I'd risk.

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... Saren, dance...?

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(just have Illos to do on that playthrough...)

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Pyn wrote...

... Saren, dance...?


:happy:
(just have Illos to do on that playthrough...)


The only dancing Saren Arterius did in my game was under the threat of perforation at the hands of my assault rifle.  That being said, I have an inkling that Garrus is nearly as bad or worse than Shep and the Shep Shuffle.

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DiebytheSword wrote...

Garrus doesn't strike me as the vindictive type.  When you tease him in ME2 he comes back with more jokes about himself. 

Now on the other hand, betraying him with the cost of lives under his charge is not something I'd risk.


Oh it's not his retaliation that I'm concerned about, it's just that it would be emotionally hard to see him treated so poorly that way. In fact, most of the LI's don't strike me as particularily dangerous (except Jack) if you break up with them.
Must go to bed for now, it's getting late and my mind is wand-oh look, something shiny!

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nice screenie I got during Virmire... missed some other good shots.

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Unschuld wrote...

Saddening, but human nature for those that feel that they've been wronged to lash out at those that they feel are more fortunate than themselves, regardless of an actual connection to blame.

Hey, I think you just described the "Occupy" movement in a nutshell!

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Reptilian Rob wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

Saddening, but human nature for those that feel that they've been wronged to lash out at those that they feel are more fortunate than themselves, regardless of an actual connection to blame.

Hey, I think you just described the "Occupy" movement in a nutshell!


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Reptilian Rob wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

Saddening, but human nature for those that feel that they've been wronged to lash out at those that they feel are more fortunate than themselves, regardless of an actual connection to blame.

Hey, I think you just described the "Occupy" movement in a nutshell!

Really? The fact that 20% of the population in America represents 85% of its wealth while the remaining 80% of the population only represents the remaining 15% of the national wealth seems like kind of a big deal worth complaining about. Income and wealth inequality are no laughing matters.

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Ariadnee wrote...

Demonique wrote...

Ariadnee wrote...

 I think I'm going to retreat back to here & Clan V and avoid the rest of the forums. All the vitriolic Tali-hate going on in the main forums is doing my head in. I'm hoping they don't turn their attention to the other half of Team Dextro :pinched: 



Why are people hating on Tali? People who romanced a ME2 squaddie who feel hard done by or some other ridiculous reason?


Yup pretty much. Seems to be a lot of Miranda-mancers on the offensive :pinched: Every Miranda thread seems to become a Tali hate thread. Can't we all just get along ?:crying:


I thought the main people didn't like characters like Tali or Liara was because they think that a lot of their content is merely fan-service, in some respects their right, but even still, miranda romancers rallying against Tali?!

Oh the Irony...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

Saddening, but human nature for those that feel that they've been wronged to lash out at those that they feel are more fortunate than themselves, regardless of an actual connection to blame.

Hey, I think you just described the "Occupy" movement in a nutshell!


Oh my goodness, really? Your missing the point of the movement entirely... And even at that, of all the people to take sympathy on...

"But who ever will think of the poor downtrodden Wall Street bankers with their many houses and millions of dollars to throw around?!"  

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BubbleSauce wrote...

"But who ever will think of the poor downtrodden Wall Street bankers with their many houses and millions of dollars to throw around?!"  

Two words: Illuminati lapdogs.

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^That's the Old World Order for ya.

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Ariadnee wrote...

Oh my goodness, really? Your missing the point of the movement entirely... And even at that, of all the people to take sympathy on...

"But who ever will think of the poor downtrodden Wall Street bankers with their many houses and millions of dollars to throw around?!"  


Uh--Uh--Hey, Look Puppies!!

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~~We will noooww taaalk aaabbboout Gaaarruss~~~

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Heh heh, the Illuminati...

Someone's been playing a little bit too much deus ex recently...

@Foxtrotcharlie I can't see those images...

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^That's the Old World Order for ya.

Soon to be, anyhow. The Illuminati that conspiracy theories touch upon does not exist. The Illuminati I am referring to is the implied global cartel between nations and companies (also known as the Bilderberg group) who work together to make as much money as possible by exploiting natural and artificial resources. The "New World Order" i.e the utopia for the privileged that conspiracy theorists so often cite, is not even a real goal - their only motivation is squeezing wealth out of the world to maintain their absurd standards of living.

Think of it as a bunch of kids sitting in a sandbox. One kid creates a decent-sized sandcastle and is pretty proud of it. The second kid, jealous as expected, one-ups him and builds an even bigger one. Then, more and more kids join them and build even taller castles - always looking to be the big dog of the sandbox. More and more sand is required, and the sandbox is starting to run empty. And at some point, those sandcastles are going to become dangerously unstable and crumble - and that's exactly what this "Illumnati" is doing.

We're not looking at a closely-knit group of savvy magnificent bastards who's equally savvy ancestors planned this 2000 years ago, but a bunch of economically gifted entrepeneurs whose greed led them to exploit the world without being able to see or care for consequences beyond the reach of their hands, and whose only guarantee of loyalty to one another is the ability to profit from cooperation.

I think the Occupy movement is perfectly justified since the world is suffering from it (edit: "It" being, of course, the wealth inequality and not the movement... derp). 

/rant that doesn't actually belong in this thread

Making up for it with some Shepbear and Garrbear.

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At long last, I finished this chapter....  (the pic is the link)

And now, I'll go back to hiding from spoilers.

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^That I did not expect on BSN.

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DiebytheSword wrote...

PrimalEden wrote...

I think Bioware tried to do that with Kasumi mentioning it, but by then, a lot of players had already gone through a playthrough with him. Nonetheless, I do appreciate those little touches.
With the relationship established in ME3, it's likely that we'll see more reciprocity from Garrus now that he knows how Shepard feels about him.
Curious, anyone brave enough to find out what happens if you break it off with him in ME3? I know I don't want to see...


Garrus doesn't strike me as the vindictive type.  When you tease him in ME2 he comes back with more jokes about himself. 

Now on the other hand, betraying him with the cost of lives under his charge is not something I'd risk.


I cant see him as vindicative either. Hell probably jsut close up on himself and concentrate on being 'professional'.

I tried breaking up once with Zev after hes free from the Crows in DA:O.  It was so gutwrenching :crying: . I think Garrus and Zev have in common that you wont exactly know how much they love you until you break it off.

In ME2 you really are Garrus last friend in the galaxy. Its pretty understandable that even in love hed want to protect what he has first. Its not like hes a particularly lucky guy... but his skill makes up for it! 

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