
i love the part where garrus emerges from the abyss and smokes the guy at the back of the head.

Modifié par Platform_Error, 23 juin 2011 - 05:37 .
Modifié par -Skorpious-, 23 juin 2011 - 05:41 .
-Skorpious- wrote...
I was playing ME2 the other day and something struck me - does anyone else like to believe that Garrus was 'fired' from C-sec shortly after the events of ME? I always found it odd that a paragon Garrus, who swore that he will use his experience traveling with Shepard to go back to C-sec and "make a difference", decided to run to Omega and play space-batman.
The way I see it, Garrus rejoined C-sec immediately after the battle of the Citadel. Naturally Garrus shared his experiences on Ilos and Virmire with his superiors, both revealing the truth about Sovereign's origins and warning them of the coming invasion, but quickly grew frustrated when his accounts were casually dismissed as "rumors spread by Saren" and numerous rebuttals of "Saren's flagship was of Geth design". Unfettered, Garrus began a thorough investigation of the clean-up process on the Citadel. He soon found, however, that direct access to zones littered with debris from Sovereign were uncharacteristically restrictive for someone of his rank, as was any information gathered from said zones. Needless to say, Garrus became suspicious and began grilling C-sec higher-ups with blunt, to-the-point questions pertaining to said restrictions and lack of any substantial information, and generally stuck his (nose?) in places it didn't belong (this could also be a potential explanation of Garrus' knowledge of the Thanix Cannon).
To sum it up, C-sec (and possibly the Council) decided that the meddling of one of the Citadel's saviors was more trouble than he was worth, and fired Garrus, thus triggering his exodus to Omega (Shepard's death would eventually play a part in it as well).
This scenario can ring true for a renegade Garrus as well. Simply put, the council disliked the fact that a potential spectre candidate could be easily manipulated by half-truth theories and speculation, thus, Garrus had his name removed from consideration.
I personally like these explanations, as they not only stay true to Garrus' ME personality, but also provide background information on Garrus' failure to follow through the goals he laid for himself post-ME.
Anyways, I was curious as to what everyone else thought about this.
I just HAD to mention the old spice monocle smile didnt i XDDDDDAris Ravenstar wrote...
*monocle smile snip*ArcanaLegacy wrote...
Oh dear XDDD I USED to call it that - but then everyone kept on saying that "ITS OVER 9000!!!!!" meme XD And with all the Old Spice Garrus puns, and Old Spice actually having a "Monocle Smile" commercial.....plus the fact Gaarrus loves classy things, Ive been saying cyber monocle ever since.
I couldn't resist. xD
Visor is the #1 i use the most. I guess this order are the nicknames i use referring to his visor:Obsydian wrote...
Arc, that just made me giggle a lot.
i tend to call it either a Scouter (mostly cause i heard other people calling it that) or an eyepiece (cause thats what it is) or a visor. Visor is what i use most though.
Modifié par ArcanaLegacy, 23 juin 2011 - 06:16 .
Modifié par leonia42, 23 juin 2011 - 06:36 .
leonia42 wrote...
I always figured he quit C-Sec/Spectre training once it became obvious that the Council was going to keep dragging its feet and denying things. And once he heard about Shepard's death.. that would have been the straw that broke the camel's back, time for him to move on and do something else with his life. Granted, I always felt like he left out significant details on why he ended up on Omega of all places. Why didn't he go back to Palaven? It's possible the Council could have tried to get him blacklisted/fired or whatever but we never really find out his true motivation to leave Citadel space altogether. Maybe.. there's more to it that we'll find out about in ME3.
I also support the term "Space Monocle".
It is plausible, all right, but you are greatly underestimating how stubborn Garrus is and how difficult an 180 degree turn in morality (Garrus always had noble goals, but he never had noble means) can be with your 'mentor' dead.-Skorpious- wrote...
I was playing ME2 the other day and something struck me - does anyone else like to believe that Garrus was 'fired' from C-sec shortly after the events of ME? I always found it odd that a paragon Garrus, who swore that he will use his experience traveling with Shepard to go back to C-sec and "make a difference", decided to run to Omega and play space-batman.
The way I see it, Garrus rejoined C-sec immediately after the battle of the Citadel. Naturally Garrus shared his experiences on Ilos and Virmire with his superiors, both revealing the truth about Sovereign's origins and warning them of the coming invasion, but quickly grew frustrated when his accounts were casually dismissed as "rumors spread by Saren" and numerous rebuttals of "Saren's flagship was of Geth design". Unfettered, Garrus began a thorough investigation of the clean-up process on the Citadel. He soon found, however, that direct access to zones littered with debris from Sovereign were uncharacteristically restrictive for someone of his rank, as was any information gathered from said zones. Needless to say, Garrus became suspicious and began grilling C-sec higher-ups with blunt, to-the-point questions pertaining to said restrictions and lack of any substantial information, and generally stuck his (nose?) in places it didn't belong (this could also be a potential explanation of Garrus' knowledge of the Thanix Cannon).
To sum it up, C-sec (and possibly the Council) decided that the meddling of one of the Citadel's saviors was more trouble than he was worth, and fired Garrus, thus triggering his exodus to Omega (Shepard's death would eventually play a part in it as well).
This scenario can ring true for a renegade Garrus as well. Simply put, the council disliked the fact that a potential spectre candidate could be easily manipulated by half-truth theories and speculation, thus, Garrus had his name removed from consideration.
I personally like these explanations, as they not only stay true to Garrus' ME personality, but also provide background information on Garrus' failure to follow through the goals he laid for himself post-ME.
Anyways, I was curious as to what everyone else thought about this.
It's a nice theory, but, I have to disagree to some points.leonia42 wrote...
Sure, but it still feels like there was more to it than that. Like he wasn't allowed to stay in Citadel space for some reason. Just a gut feeling I have, he could have fought crime any where away from the Citadel itself, could have gone to a turian colony where he didn't have to jump through as many hoops. And given that his "class" turned into "turian rebel" in ME2.. I'm wondering if he is purposely avoiding the Hierarchy, a government which operates with very few layers of bureacracy (unlike the way things are ran on the Citadel with the other races). At the very least he should have gone home at some point if he knew his mother was sick but maybe he couldn't because something bigger happened on the Citadel that meant he couldn't confront his father. I'm just guessing here but going to the source to fight crime doesn't seem to be enough of a motivation force for someone who has lived the "good life" on the Citadel for the last few years.
leonia42 wrote...
Sure, but it still feels like there was more to it than that. Like he wasn't allowed to stay in Citadel space for some reason. Just a gut feeling I have, he could have fought crime any where away from the Citadel itself, could have gone to a turian colony where he didn't have to jump through as many hoops. And given that his "class" turned into "turian rebel" in ME2.. I'm wondering if he is purposely avoiding the Hierarchy, a government which operates with very few layers of bureacracy (unlike the way things are ran on the Citadel with the other races). At the very least he should have gone home at some point if he knew his mother was sick but maybe he couldn't because something bigger happened on the Citadel that meant he couldn't confront his father. I'm just guessing here but going to the source to fight crime doesn't seem to be enough of a motivation force for someone who has lived the "good life" on the Citadel for the last few years.
Modifié par HogarthHughes 3, 23 juin 2011 - 07:34 .
I share this view. In part because I like the romantic notion that it was Shepard's death that pushed Garrus over the edge, not some rational reasons. In part because I think that, if Garrus smelled rat in C-Sec, he wouldn't run off to Omega - he'd make a point of staying and dealing with it, even if it cost him his life.Phaedon wrote...
It is plausible, all right, but you are greatly underestimating how stubborn Garrus is and how difficult an 180 degree turn in morality (Garrus always had noble goals, but he never had noble means) can be with your 'mentor' dead.-Skorpious- wrote...
I was playing ME2 the other day and something struck me - does anyone else like to believe that Garrus was 'fired' from C-sec shortly after the events of ME? I always found it odd that a paragon Garrus, who swore that he will use his experience traveling with Shepard to go back to C-sec and "make a difference", decided to run to Omega and play space-batman.
The way I see it, Garrus rejoined C-sec immediately after the battle of the Citadel. Naturally Garrus shared his experiences on Ilos and Virmire with his superiors, both revealing the truth about Sovereign's origins and warning them of the coming invasion, but quickly grew frustrated when his accounts were casually dismissed as "rumors spread by Saren" and numerous rebuttals of "Saren's flagship was of Geth design". Unfettered, Garrus began a thorough investigation of the clean-up process on the Citadel. He soon found, however, that direct access to zones littered with debris from Sovereign were uncharacteristically restrictive for someone of his rank, as was any information gathered from said zones. Needless to say, Garrus became suspicious and began grilling C-sec higher-ups with blunt, to-the-point questions pertaining to said restrictions and lack of any substantial information, and generally stuck his (nose?) in places it didn't belong (this could also be a potential explanation of Garrus' knowledge of the Thanix Cannon).
To sum it up, C-sec (and possibly the Council) decided that the meddling of one of the Citadel's saviors was more trouble than he was worth, and fired Garrus, thus triggering his exodus to Omega (Shepard's death would eventually play a part in it as well).
This scenario can ring true for a renegade Garrus as well. Simply put, the council disliked the fact that a potential spectre candidate could be easily manipulated by half-truth theories and speculation, thus, Garrus had his name removed from consideration.
I personally like these explanations, as they not only stay true to Garrus' ME personality, but also provide background information on Garrus' failure to follow through the goals he laid for himself post-ME.
Anyways, I was curious as to what everyone else thought about this.
You actually get to paragonize him again in ME2, though I am cautious as to whether or not that will last. Garrus is still relatively young and his morality can easily change temporarily, but can he establish a permanent sense of morality?
Modifié par Lady Olivia, 23 juin 2011 - 08:19 .
Lady Olivia wrote...
I share this view. In part because I like the romantic notion that it was Shepard's death that pushed Garrus over the edge, not some rational reasons. In part because I think that, if Garrus smelled rat in C-Sec, he wouldn't run off to Omega - he'd make a point of staying and dealing with it, even if it cost him his life.
Garrus thinks he knows what justice is. And the justice of Citadel space is slow, weak, ineffective, indirect. Corrupt? Perhaps even that. Marginalizing Shepard after Saren, assigning him/her menial tasks that sidestepped the real issues, and by extension Shepard's death as well - all consequences of a weak justice system. Garrus would want to get as far away from it as possible.
The way I see it, Garrus never thought he was exacting revenge on Saleon or Sidonis. He was bringing them to justice. He's a flawed character, no doubt about that. Shepard's morality can only influence him locally, temporarily. If left to his own devices, he'll always revert to the good old eye-for-an-eye.
Modifié par Platform_Error, 23 juin 2011 - 08:44 .
Modifié par leonia42, 23 juin 2011 - 08:49 .
Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 23 juin 2011 - 09:01 .
Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 23 juin 2011 - 09:23 .
Agreed on the bold parts.leonia42 wrote...
So long as he doesn't go to the extreme of blowing up chantries to display his sense of justice, I'm ok with this. Even if he isn't entirely rational, at least he has Shepard to keep him on that "straight and narrow", heh sort of like a Shepherd Book to Mal Reynolds.. ah been watching way too much Firefly lately.
I agree with what everyone has said so far but I can't shake the feeling that there is still a missing puzzle piece some where. If he is so opposed to bureacracy and the Hierarchy, why does he keep the facial tattoos? If he was a true anarchist-type he'd be barefaced like most of the turians on Omega. There's still some sense of patriotism/loyalty to his origins there.
Not at all. He's one of the blandest cadboard characters in the series, IMO. Don't know what he's done to deserve a comic of his own, no less.Aris Ravenstar wrote...
Am I the only one who really didn't like Bailey?
Yeah. The bigger the cause,Aris Ravenstar wrote...
I think that after Saren, Garrus needed another great cause, another dragon to slay. After all was said and done, arresting thugs in the wards just didn't mean anything. Not like defeating Saren meant something.
I think fighting Saren and the geth was the easiest choice he's ever had to make. There was no red tape, no murky moral dilemma, it was just, 'they're bad and we're good and we're going to stop them'. It was simple and it was right, and so few things are.
That's not to say he's a glory hog or in it for the fame, I think he just wants so much to do good, it's just hard to tell what that even is sometimes. Like he said, it's easier to see the world in black and white, and nothing is more black and white than the Reapers vs. everything we know, love and hold dear.
Modifié par Lady Olivia, 23 juin 2011 - 09:38 .
He's getting his own comic??? Gah. I really don't care about you or your cliche drinking problem or how hard it is to be a human on the human-occupied Citadel, sir. Take your 'understandings' and the rest of your dirty cop ways and go back to the mafia movie you jumped out of.Lady Olivia wrote...
Not at all. He's one of the blandest cadboard characters in the series, IMO. Don't know what he's done to deserve a comic of his own, no less.
Fewer nights kept awake living with your choices, too. You probably don't have as many civilian casualties or chances to lose people in alleyways when you're fighting an army of geth or a space station filled to the brim with mercs.Lady Olivia wrote...
Yeah. The bigger the cause,the less you need to use your brainsthe less gray matter.
Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 23 juin 2011 - 10:09 .
Modifié par leonia42, 23 juin 2011 - 10:19 .