Darn it - this is what happens when I sleep eh? XP Long post time!
Lady Olivia wrote...
Phaedon wrote...
It is plausible, all right, but you are greatly underestimating how stubborn Garrus is and how difficult an 180 degree turn in morality (Garrus always had noble goals, but he never had noble means) can be with your 'mentor' dead.
I share this view. In part because I like the romantic notion that it was Shepard's death that pushed Garrus over the edge, not some rational reasons. In part because I think that, if Garrus smelled rat in C-Sec, he wouldn't run off to Omega - he'd make a point of staying and dealing with it, even if it cost him his life.
I agree with this view point as well. Based on the things he would say - seem like based on the rebuilding of the citadel - everything was going haywire. Obviously things got more restricted thanks to the battle of the citadel and with what Garrus said "there wasnt much I could do to help" made it seem like every turn he took was restricted as well. With all the covering up on the whole "Reaper" fact, Garrus was more fed up. THEN with Shepard dying and the council not wanting to investigate at all, having Shepards death stay a mystery and her memory fade away, mustve been the
final straw for him.
Lady Olivia wrote...
Garrus thinks he knows what justice is. And the justice of Citadel space is slow, weak, ineffective, indirect. Corrupt? Perhaps even that. Marginalizing Shepard after Saren, assigning him/her menial tasks that sidestepped the real issues, and by extension Shepard's death as well - all consequences of a weak justice system. Garrus would want to get as far away from it as possible.
The way I see it, Garrus never thought he was exacting revenge on Saleon or Sidonis. He was bringing them to justice. He's a flawed character, no doubt about that. Shepard's morality can only influence him locally, temporarily. If left to his own devices, he'll always revert to the good old eye-for-an-eye.
This. A hundred times yes.
Theres a fine line between knowing and enforcing the law, and BEING the law. Garrus might not have realized it, but while he was on Omega being "Space Punisher" [yes ppl he's punisher NOT batman. Batman dont kill as ruthlessly XP] - the line between the two were merged in a way he
thought was right. On omega he claimed - "All I had to do was point my gun and shoot". One can clearly see that during his crusade that he didnt even really make a dent whatsoever. Even he confesses it after returning to Omega after his recruitment. Omega is ALWAYS going to have crime. Thats not going to change. How can you bring justice to a place that has no law? You kill one scumbag, theres always going to be another to take its place.
And absolutely - Garrus is flawed. Funny, with just being in Shepards presense, Garrus seems to keep himself somehow grounded. Like all the influence was suddenly turned back on in a way. When Shep died - its like it all logic vanished from his mind in a instant. He had noble ideals, but the way to go about it is severly flawed. He wanted to be like Shep and make a "difference", but obviously not TRULY knowing how to go about it.
Lady Olivia wrote...
We're so behind. 
Someone go link Casey the classic calibrations thread. Its over 1000 pgs.
leonia42 wrote...
On the note of "being behind", this is like the sixth or seventh Garrus appreciation thread and the last one is still running in the non-spoilers section and about to hit the 1100 post mark. We're only deceptively behind 
There's about an equal amount of discussion that goes on in both Calibration threads but I'd wager we have a high degree of intellectual conversation compared to other threads. Sure, we have our pages full of pictures and general "squeeing" but I like to think the Garrus fans are a diverse, mature bunch that can appreciate things on multiple levels (and we do talk about turians in general, not just Garrus).
I guess in Miranda's case her fanbase isn't enitrely sure of her role in the game yet so there is more speculation whereas those of us here know Garrus is more or less a permanent squaddie already and have less to worry about.
Reposted for justice.
The Garrus threads are far longer than majority of threads. And I like to think that we do actually have alot deeper conversations on VARIOUS characters than just one individual. Ironically - plently link up together. CSec links to many turians like Pallin and Chellick, and that links to Garrus who was in CSec. We talk hierarchy, and many a times Valern & Lorik have been mentioned. Its like one giant web. Plus, we as the "Garrus Fans" tend to be quite popular on boards seeing as many see us as a "chill group" and are known for our "determination", according to other groups.
As for miranda - I can see why many are discussing her frequently. Theres pretty much been no news on her whatsoever. Shes going to be a squaddie. Thats confirmed. But not that she's "permanent". No one has even seen a simple screenshot of her. She's not with Cerberus anymore and that leaves plently to discuss where she is, whats shes doing and how she feels about Cerberus now that....well.....ya know. Working with the Reapers. It gives fans alot of food for thought on how she would feel now, when just mere months ago she would do anything to make sure Cerberus was a top priority. Now.....not so much.
@Chewin: Me and Obsy had that same discussion yesterday. The classic thread is our home
Always.
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