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[txmn1016]

VioletDrops wrote...

@Pyn - so there isn't any way to make a screenshot without another programs? Weird, since they've got the map with the game files.

I was wondering about something.. I've got 2 femsheps now, and both are paragon.. I tried playing renegade but hearing sheps voice be so.. mean and well, renegade against everyone just makes me feel so bad :c. how do you guys deal with that? the two morality's with the same voice.

I'm doing my first full on renegade playthrough now--and wow is it tough to be a b**** to everyone.  I keep telling myself that I'm just roleplaying and that I need to finish the playthrough but I still feel guilty everytime I hurt someones feelings.  I'm starting to get used to it the farther along I get (just killed the rachni queen last night) but I'm sure I'll keep feeling uncomfortable through the next game (for instance, giving Veetor to Cerberus).  

That wasn't exactly an answer to your question, but my point is that I understand

[Ariadnee]

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...
Out of all the Shepards I have planned, I'll have a hard time making any of them go the Paragon route on Garrus' loyalty mission. They're all so vengeful... but so are all of my favorite characters from games/movies/books, so it's no surprise I like to play Shepard that way. I even created a FemShep specifically to be more Paragon than the others, and somehow she turned into a "kill all the bad guys" vigilante. I have one or two Shepards who it might be in character for, so I'll wait and see what happens.

And a few of my FemSheps let Garrus shoot Harkin because he flirted with them in ME1. What a fun crowd they are.

Yeah, Renegade is hella fun to play. I can never go full Paragon or full Renegade, though.

[VioletDrops]

outmane wrote...

VioletDrops wrote...

@Pyn - so there isn't any way to make a screenshot without another programs? Weird, since they've got the map with the game files.

I was wondering about something.. I've got 2 femsheps now, and both are paragon.. I tried playing renegade but hearing sheps voice be so.. mean and well, renegade against everyone just makes me feel so bad :c. how do you guys deal with that? the two morality's with the same voice.

Good question there

I have 1 Shepard per class (3males 3 females/ 3 renegade 3 paragon) so I got used to seeing the same dialogue with diffrent voices and to imagine diffrent intentions behind it...

what I usually do when I roleplay a Shep is not go just for full paragon / renegade. I try to give them things they are very attached to and things they dislike and big turning points in their lives that events of the game will bring.


Like my canon Shep was very bitter after the Horizon events and even if shes mostly paragon I had her use her renegade tone for a little while after that and tell some squaddies (Grunt and Miri if I recall) that we would only do their loyalty mission if we had time because she wanted to be left alone.

So I guess what Im saying is that it might be easier if you dont always go full renegade but choose some reasons why your Shep would yell/be ****y (not liking aliens, not liking wasting time, not liking working for Cerberus, etc) and jsut roleplay that when it makes sense to you.

You shouldnt worry about filling your renegade bar. As long as you take some interrupts and choose renegade outcomes, you could use mostly a friendly tone in convos and still end up with a full renegade bar.


...and ToP

*img*

D'awww, liddle space hamster

Thanks for sharing your views .
I might do that, thinking out some likes and dislikes beforehand. I think I'm just kind of a bad 'role player' because in games, I always act how I would act in real life.

Maybe it's because I get emotionally attached to everything that moves, including games/tv/movies... I might also try being kind to people I like, and being mean to baddies/interrupts.

What I also tried in ME1, was to play a maleshep. But that was even harder for me, because while playing I was all like 'whyyy am I looking at a man all the time, that ain't the Shepard I know and love Dx'

txmn1016 wrote...


I'm doing my first full on renegade playthrough
now--and wow is it tough to be a b**** to everyone.  I keep telling
myself that I'm just roleplaying and that I need to finish the
playthrough but I still feel guilty everytime I hurt someones feelings. 
I'm starting to get used to it the farther along I get (just killed the
rachni queen last night) but I'm sure I'll keep feeling uncomfortable
through the next game (for instance, giving Veetor to Cerberus).  

That wasn't exactly an answer to your question, but my point is that I understand [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

M'yeah, that's what I feel too :c. I heard the VA of maleshep say something interresting in an interview though. He plays evil/renegade in games first, then paragon. So that way he can make up for all the mean things he's done .

Modifié par VioletDrops, 22 décembre 2011 - 05:51 .

[Pyn]

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I'm not giving Cerberus the Collector Base this play through in ME2, didn't give them Veetor and kept ?Kal'Reegor alive... So also keeping Legion-Geth, and his loyalty mission planning on rewriting
ME2, my Shep don't like Cerberus/mercs really...

as for ME1, Rachni gone (this Shep don't like bugs; depends the type), fought guards hacked the door didn't care was bored wanted something different.
Feros colony shut down yet let Shiala live...
Virmire,Wrex is still around since I got his armor just before he talked about it.

[outmane]

VioletDrops wrote...


D'awww, liddle space hamster

Thanks for sharing your views .
I might do that, thinking out some likes and dislikes beforehand. I think I'm just kind of a bad 'role player' because in games, I always act how I would act in real life.

Maybe it's because I get emotionally attached to everything that moves, including games/tv/movies... I might also try being kind to people I like, and being mean to baddies/interrupts.

What I also tried in ME1, was to play a maleshep. But that was even harder for me, because while playing I was all like 'whyyy am I looking at a man all the time, that ain't the Shepard I know and love Dx'

Yon dont have to be hard on yourself for being a bad roleplayer. Tis just a game after all.

Maybe youre just more attached to the NPCs then the PC. I know I usually am when I start playing a Bioware game. So I feel more bad about being mean to them then failing to make my Shep act like he/she is supposed to with the background I had in mind (my 'I dont like idealists and aliens' playthrough was particularly hard cause I like garrus so much). 

It always takes me a few playthroughs before I can play something really diffrent then my canon.

[ArcanaLegacy]

*reads what she missed after 2 days away*

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...
I think BioWare pays even more attention to their fans than we realize. They've been reading the Garrus threads, for sure.

That could be a good and "bad" thing
I can just imagine their faces when they see the totpg pics and silly gifs we make. *COUGH*hypno crotch*COUGH*

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OMG! DANNY! U have returned!!!


How awesome, 1st kim and now danny. The holidays are bringing us all together before we all end up hermitting XD
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At the Garrus LM conversation:
I never shoot Sidonis. Well I did once on another playthru just to see how the dialog changes but I always spare him. Just something about the way Garrus acts in the scene after the renegade option seems off. He looks back in the direction of when he shot sidonis and he completely has the look of regret on his face. Not to mention all the dialog is cut short immensely, and it makes it seem that Garrus just isnt comfortable with the decision he just made. He says so himself during the recruitment that "My feelings got in the way of my better judgement". That was another one of those moments in my opinion. Sparing him is obviously the right choice when u watch both outcomes one after another.
Plus that outcome brings out the one of [if not] the BEST  line of the entire game!

Garrus Vakarian wrote....
It's so much each easier to see the world in black and white. Gray?...I dont know what to do with gray.

As for Harkin - normally I used to let Garrus shoot him, BUT ever since i saw him do the headbutt - and i stop him everytime now XD Its just so priceless. "I didnt shoot him."  And I noticed theres no difference whether you let garrus shoot harkin. Harkin gets detained anyways, AND garrus still is mad about not "punishing" him. When I let him shoot harkin, im like : Punish? But you rifle butted his face, practically threw him against a wall, kneed him in the nuts, put ur foot on his neck, and shot him. I think that was punishment enough XD

And honestly, maybe its just me. but I LOVED seeing Garrus get rilled up like that >;3 Hey garrus, throw me up against that wall ---- er i mean, yea. Finish off your interrogation with Harkin. I'll just stand here til ur done.
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off topic but I thought id share - I just got a call from Gamestop HQ saying that the last guardian was been CANCELLED.

Who wants to join my hunt for  Fumito Ueda and team ico? Im seriously PO'd.

Modifié par ArcanaLegacy, 22 décembre 2011 - 08:58 .

[UrsulaCousland]

outmane wrote...

VioletDrops wrote...


D'awww, liddle space hamster

Thanks for sharing your views .
I might do that, thinking out some likes and dislikes beforehand. I think I'm just kind of a bad 'role player' because in games, I always act how I would act in real life.

Maybe it's because I get emotionally attached to everything that moves, including games/tv/movies... I might also try being kind to people I like, and being mean to baddies/interrupts.

What I also tried in ME1, was to play a maleshep. But that was even harder for me, because while playing I was all like 'whyyy am I looking at a man all the time, that ain't the Shepard I know and love Dx'

Yon dont have to be hard on yourself for being a bad roleplayer. Tis just a game after all.

Maybe youre just more attached to the NPCs then the PC. I know I usually am when I start playing a Bioware game. So I feel more bad about being mean to them then failing to make my Shep act like he/she is supposed to with the background I had in mind (my 'I dont like idealists and aliens' playthrough was particularly hard cause I like garrus so much). 

It always takes me a few playthroughs before I can play something really diffrent then my canon.

Bolded for great truth. I can't go full renegade, but the temptation to take a few interrupts and renegade comments that don't make Shep sound completely naiive are irresistable. I usually end up either very Paragon or slightly Paragade.   I like it because it lets me stay mostly "true" hero with my Han Solo moments thrown in.  This describes how I'm handling ME1 -> ME2 canon Shep perfectly. I plan on taking most of the paragon decisions except for Ash, though I'll Virmire Kaidan if he tries ninjamancing me (I'm avoiding him but I did ask him 1 question and now I'm nervous ).  The VS-caused angst for Canon!Shep can work with Ash - I already have the Kaidan version written in my head, but it can be adjusted for Ash and still work.

I plan on paragoning Garrus. I find that paragon-ing his loyalty mission completely (stop him from shooting Harkin even though it's tempting - I *will* work that into my fic somehow...) and sparing Sodonis. I also plan to do that with the ME1 mission, though I haven't gotten to it yet (and won't for a few days because I'm visiting family haha)...

This has also been true for Dragon Age. Most of my Hawkes are either diplo or snarky, but I do take aggro responses when they are appropriate, as when Canon!Hawke is trying to find her mother. 

[UrsulaCousland]

ArcanaLegacy wrote...

*reads what she missed after 2 days away*

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...
I think BioWare pays even more attention to their fans than we realize. They've been reading the Garrus threads, for sure.

That could be a good and "bad" thing
I can just imagine their faces when they see the totpg pics and silly gifs we make. *COUGH*hypno crotch*COUGH*

*ROFL*

ArcanaLegacy wrote... 

*snip*

At the Garrus LM conversation:
I never shoot Sidonis. Well I did once on another playthru just to see how the dialog changes but I always spare him. Just something about the way Garrus acts in the scene after the renegade option seems off. He looks back in the direction of when he shot sidonis and he completely has the look of regret on his face. Not to mention all the dialog is cut short immensely. Sparing him is obviously the right choice when u watch both outsomes one after another.
Plus that outcome brings out the one of [if not] the BEST  line of the entire game!

Garrus Vakarian wrote....
It's so much each easier to see the world in black and white. Gray?...I dont know what to do with gray.

As for Harkin - normally I used to let Garrus shoot him, BUT ever since i saw him do the headbutt - and i stop him everytime now XD Its just so priceless. "I didnt shoot him."  And I noticed theres no difference whether you let garrus shoot harkin. Harkin gets detained anyways, AND garrus still is mad about not "punishing" him. When I let him shoot harkin, im like : Punish? But you rifle butted his face, practically threw him against a wall, kneed him in the nuts, put ur foot on his neck, and shot him. I think that was punishment enough XD

And honestly, maybe its just me. but I LOVED seeing Garrus get rilled up like that >;3 Hey garrus, throw me up against that wall ---- er i mean, yea. Finish off your interrogation with Harkin. I'll just stand here til ur done.
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Oh I know! And you just crystalized for me why I don't let Garrus shoot that slimeball either, as tempting as it is. Dat headbutt is epic. (and so is the 'What' look along with "I didn't shoot him...") I love it when Garrus makes him look like an idiot.  

I even have a take on Dat Headbutt I plan to use in my fic. *grins evilly* I'm probably not the first to think of it, but it's delightful in  my mind.

And it's not just you. Full-on riled Garrus was very...interesting...to watch.  

Modifié par UrsulaCousland, 22 décembre 2011 - 08:59 .

[Chewin]

ArcanaLegacy wrote...
I just got a call from Gamestop HQ saying that the last guardian was been CANCELLED.

It was? I tought Ueda announced that he would be leaving Sony as of December 2011, but would remain committed towards the completion of The Last Guardian through a contract with the company.

If it's trully cancelled, then that's really a shame :/

[ArcanaLegacy]

UrsulaCousland wrote...
*snip*

ArcanaLegacy wrote.....
At the Garrus LM conversation:[/b]
*snip*
As for Harkin - normally I used to let Garrus shoot him, BUT ever since i saw him do the headbutt - and i stop him everytime now XD Its just so priceless. "I didnt shoot him."  And I noticed theres no difference whether you let garrus shoot harkin. Harkin gets detained anyways, AND garrus still is mad about not "punishing" him. When I let him shoot harkin, im like : Punish? But you rifle butted his face, practically threw him against a wall, kneed him in the nuts, put ur foot on his neck, and shot him. I think that was punishment enough XD

And honestly, maybe its just me. but I LOVED seeing Garrus get rilled up like that >;3 Hey garrus, throw me up against that wall ---- er i mean, yea. Finish off your interrogation with Harkin. I'll just stand here til ur done.
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Oh I know! And you just crystalized for me why I don't let Garrus shoot that slimeball either, as tempting as it is. Dat headbutt is epic. (and so is the 'What' look along with "I didn't shoot him...") I love it when Garrus makes him look like an idiot.  

I even have a take on Dat Headbutt I plan to use in my fic. *grins evilly* I'm probably not the first to think of it, but it's delightful in  my mind.

And it's not just you. Full-on riled Garrus was very...interesting...to watch.  

The sheer awesomeness of that headbutt is just so great XD IF he didnt do that, sure - I'll let him shoot harkin everytime! BUT, since he does, Headbutt that bastard! I just love seeing Harkin's reaction to grab his own face and fall down XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD I just laugh so hard EVERYTIME i see that scene XD

^^And i laugh at how the pistol garrus is holding is positioned badly XD
And have another Garrus-to-Harkin beatup gif.

 Furious Garrus = A Sexy Garrus.
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@Chewin : Agreed on both. They DID announce on twitter just a couple days ago that they WERE still working on it. I just got a call saying that production has been cancelled and its no long up for pre-order. Pretty much its been removed from all databases since its being "cancelled". I hope its not true! *in denial* I had that game reserved for like over 2 yrs! RAAAAAGGGGGGGGEEEEEE!
Chewin - what are u good at? I need to put together a team to go on a suicide mission to japan to infiltrate Team Ico! XDDDD

edit - Kotaku News flash - GameStop Says The Last Guardian is Canceled, Sony Says It’s Not
w.t.f

Modifié par ArcanaLegacy, 22 décembre 2011 - 09:35 .

[Ananka]

In the scene with Harkin I quite like the knee to the groin response Garrus gives to "I guess we both have something the other one wants".
I usually don't let Garrus shoot Harkin though, and I almost always let Sidonis live. I like the chat between Garrus and Shepard where she can say that it's just not like him. Besides, I think Garrus is better off not killing Sidonis. It's a kind of "don't give into your hatred"-situation for him in my playthroughs.

[Chewin]

ArcanaLegacy wrote...
Chewin - what are u good at? I need to put together a team to go on a suicide mission to japan to infiltrate Team Ico! XDDDD

You'll have to kill my cousin to gain my loyalty, or convince me that it's better to spare him instead. And when/if you have gained my loyalty, I'll unlock special milkshakes and doughnouts that I throw at people:P


Nah, just kidding. I'll always have your back, Arc;)

[dannybates]

Wont be posting much but will be reading.

[Eveninglost]

I always let Garrus shoot Harkin. That bastard thinks I don't remember being called princess. Think again.

[Liec]

ArcanaLegacy wrote...

off topic but I thought id share - I just got a call from Gamestop HQ saying that the last guardian was been CANCELLED.

Who wants to join my hunt for  Fumito Ueda and team ico? Im seriously PO'd.

Wait what WHAT?!

 

[outmane]

I hate that there isnt a extra dialogue after the LM if you dont paragon Garrus.
It makes it feels like letting Sidonis die = not caring for Garrus

What do you guys think Shep and Garrus might have said to each other after Sidonis death?


I think parts of the black and white dialogue still fits pretty well. After all if Sidonis situation is a <grey matter> then neither the paragon (white answer) nor the renegade (black answer) is exactly true to the situation (tho in case of douth <do no harm> is probably the most moral answer).

[ArcanaLegacy]

@Liec:
Its weird. Look the link I post to kotaku on this page. Something screwy is going on with Gamestop and Sony when it comes to that game. 

Eveninglost wrote...
I always let Garrus shoot Harkin. That bastard thinks I don't remember being called princess. Think again.

*high five* HA! I actually thought the SAME thing when i played the game for the first time XD Thats when I shot him.
Then, for curiousity - saw what the paragon interrupt did. BAM Love that headbutt.

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By the way - I found this thru Patrick weekes twitter -
Shepard Off-Duty - [A FanFic blog by a bioware writor? heh. Sign me up!]
"A look into life on the Normandy between missions by Patrick Weekes from Shepard's perspective."
Quite a few mentions of turians and Garrus.

Modifié par ArcanaLegacy, 22 décembre 2011 - 10:57 .

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Wait, Kim Shepard has returned? Welcome back The Sarendoctrinator! And a tip of the hat to one of my favourite villains around!

And I prefer to let Garrus shoot Harkin too. He is one of those people that mess up society. And he hits on femshep. Garrus may or may not have been there. So of course he will want to shoot Harkin as revenge ;D

[legionthegeth]

Liec wrote...

ArcanaLegacy wrote...

off topic but I thought id share - I just got a call from Gamestop HQ saying that the last guardian was been CANCELLED.

Who wants to join my hunt for  Fumito Ueda and team ico? Im seriously PO'd.

Wait what WHAT?!

 

No worries people, gamestop was just being idiots again and said it was cancelled when it wasn't.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

VioletDrops wrote...

I was wondering about something.. I've got 2 femsheps now, and both are paragon.. I tried playing renegade but hearing sheps voice be so.. mean and well, renegade against everyone just makes me feel so bad :c. how do you guys deal with that? the two morality's with the same voice.

I never play pure Renegade or Paragon. I plan out all of my Shepards like any other character in the world, with their own history, personalities and opinions. When I'm playing them, I stick to that as much as possible, no matter what morality the decisions fall under. My MainShep, for example, is really nice to her friends. She's also a big supporter of revenge and is completely ruthless against her enemies, anyone who tries to harm her friends, and batarians in general (because of her Colonist background). She took TIM's side and helped him out any way she could throughout ME2 because he saved her life, and the Council never did anything for her after she saved their lives. So she ends up getting a lot of Renegade points, but it never feels like I'm playing a mean character.

As for the voice, I just kind of imagine my own for each Shepard. If their words and emotions are what I want them to be, it doesn't bother me too much what the actual voice sounds like. But I admit, it is so much better when the voice fits your character perfectly.

ArcanaLegacy wrote...

Eveninglost wrote...
I always let Garrus shoot Harkin. That bastard thinks I don't remember being called princess. Think again.

*high five* HA! I actually thought the SAME thing when i played the game for the first time XD Thats when I shot him.

*high fives* My thoughts exactly. And the first time I saw that scene was in a Garrus romance playthrough, so it was even better for my FemShep. Her boyfriend just beat up the guy who tried to flirt with her two years ago.

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Wait, Kim Shepard has returned? Welcome back The Sarendoctrinator! And a tip of the hat to one of my favourite villains around!

And I prefer to let Garrus shoot Harkin too. He is one of those people that mess up society. And he hits on femshep. Garrus may or may not have been there. So of course he will want to shoot Harkin as revenge ;D

Hey, Tasha!

How do you get Garrus to be there? I always ask Harkin where to find Garrus, and even though I've heard there's another way to do it, I stayed with the path I knew because I tend to get hopelessly lost in videogames.

[Twilight_Princess]

As much as I despise Harkin I think I prefer garrus headbutting him , it’s just funnier . The way he makes sure you’re not looking before he knocks him out is priceless “I didn’t shoot him”. Trust me my shepard thinks harkin is a big ol scumbag “call me princess one more time and you’ll be picking your teeth up from the floor” but they have better things to do and frankly he’s not worth wasting a perfectly good bullet over . I have a feeling we haven’t seen the last of the guy and I REALLY hope I get to beat him up myself next time *cracks knuckles*

[UrsulaCousland]

@Hyrule: *high five* (phone posting and can't get much crazier right this millisecond.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

I'll definitely have my Shepards do both, let Garrus shoot him and headbutt him. Either way, it's awesome. The whole mission is. I really liked their dialogue in the car when there's an option to say Shepard would have done the same thing, and Garrus says he learned from the best. It was perfect for Shepards who encouraged Garrus when he wanted to kill Saleon in ME1 and then told him to "remember this feeling" after it was done.

outmane wrote...

I hate that there isnt a extra dialogue after the LM if you dont paragon Garrus.
It makes it feels like letting Sidonis die = not caring for Garrus

What do you guys think Shep and Garrus might have said to each other after Sidonis death?

Somehow I missed this when I made my catch-up post.

It would have been nice if there was extra dialogue after the mission for Shepards who chose the Renegade path too, but when I think about it, a lot of his dialogue after the Paragon path is about not knowing what to do in these "gray" moral situations. Shepards who let him kill Sidonis (and in ME1, Saleon) allowed him to do what he wanted and probably agreed with that decision themselves, so there's nothing for him to feel confused about if he's not questioning his choices/instincts.

Without a morality conversation, there isn't as much to say. Killing Sidonis probably won't give him the same good feeling that killing Saleon did because it's more personal - his teammates are dead, and he's still hurt by the betrayal. But at least it gives him some peace. In the end, either solution shows that Shepard cares enough to help him with his problems. I would have liked a few lines with Garrus afterwards, although it is kind of funny that my FemShep started her romance with him only minutes after Sidonis' death.

I imagine my Shepards would just let Garrus know that he can talk to them about these things if he ever needs to. Shepard, from any background, knows how it feels to lose members of their team in battle, especially a Sole Survivor.

[Pyn]

Renegade dialog I've found in most things sound better vs Paragon, though there are a few things here n there I may Paragon...

I like my Shep's red glowy eyes...

[The Sarendoctrinator]

Yeah, I like a lot of the Renegade dialogues better too. And the interrupts. They're so much fun!

All of my favorite Mass Effect characters, at least those in the top five, are either Renegades or Renegons. Saren, Garrus, TIM, Kai Leng, Zaeed (only seen him on youtube, and it makes me wish I had the DLC), and even more...