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Considering they are always called 'Team dextro,' there isn't actually much interaction between them in game, and not much to suggest that they are 'best of buddies' apart from the fact that they have both followed Shepard throughout both games.

I just imagine that during downtime, Tali and Garrus have are good friends and have some good banter between them.

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Aris Ravenstar wrote...

outmane wrote...

On other topics... someone asked about Garrus family, specifically his mom. I guess the outcome of that will depend also on where she is. Is she getting her treaments on the Salarian world or still on the Turian world? Did the tissue samples Garrus sent actually produce anything useful (medical research is a long process)? 

I guess im the only one who thinks she might die. Maybe i prefer to think that and be surprised that she can be saved. If she is on Pavalen and in bedrest from an incurable illness when the evacuation start i dont think she will accept being taken off the planet over someone who can fight the reapers/ rebuild. I tend to think Garrus took it from her to be selfless (not sure this is the exact english term) and that he would be sad but also proud of her because he would have done the same thing if he was the ill one. Also Turians seem to be a pragmatic society, i dont see them evacuating hospitals during an invasion (well the doctors of course but not the patients), so if Garrus family doesnt have their own evacuation shuttle it doesnt look well.

If we get there jsut in time to save his mother but that costs many other civilians lives? Then my Shep would probably save her still or be very conflicted about it because of her Mindoir background. She lost her family and wouldnt want Garrus to lose his, even if it makes for some non-pragmatic decisions.

I hope we get to save / met his sister tho. And his father, if working for the military, might be an interesting NPC we get to argue with.

It may sound callous, but I don't really care about Garrus' mom at all. I don't want him to have any more tragedy in his life so I don't want her to die, but I'm just not interested in the terminal illness angle. I find it melodramatic and what's more, we've already got Thane going through that. Also, I've been wanting so much for them to explore Garrus' relationship with his father, I just feel like the illness thing isn't nearly as compelling as him having a father who hates guys who make their own rules just like him (not to mention his Spectre girlfriend, ::cough:: ).

Plus, having never played it until just recently, I have a hard time feeling a connection with anything we learned in LotSB. The dossiers just felt kind of disconnected from the rest of the game to me, less like actual character development and more like some kind of easter egg. I'd hate for a significant amount of his interaction to be based on this one 'sick mother' story when he's got so much more to explore (and so little time left to do so).


I have to agree with Aris. The info about his family is interesting but I don't really care if they touch on any of it in ME3, if they do that's cool, but I won't be affected if they don't. I'm definitely more interested in Papa Vakarian, and also how Garrus and Shepard's relationship (romance or not) will further develop and perhaps be tested.
I want LI Garrus to get the happily ever after he deserves:wizard:

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Felt the need to draw Garrus PO'd at the cold

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 Garrus usually sees what he did as many failures and from his convo with his sister we can say hes not quite upfront about what he does with his family. You guys think this time around hes gonna stand up for it and tell his father that he is proud of savig the Citadel and working to distroy the Reapers?

Also, might his father be mad at him for being on a Cerberus ship helping the human race when the Reapers (depending on how Bio fixes the chronology between ME2 and 3) hit the galaxy and Pavalen needs to be protected?

Oh and bonus question: what does Papa Vakarian think of our dear friend the Turian councilor (before and after the Reapers invited themselves for breakfast)?

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Cranbert wrote...

Felt the need to draw Garrus PO'd at the cold

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Did you draw that? I'm not an art major or anything, but that's something that I can clearly define as talent...

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Cranbert wrote...

Felt the need to draw Garrus PO'd at the cold

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Did you draw this? Because it's amazing!! :o

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hey what ever happened to that fan comicstrip where the turian councilor is taking on a mercenary, and he does his finger quote and dismisses them with an explosion?

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Hellbound555 wrote...

hey what ever happened to that fan comicstrip where the turian councilor is taking on a mercenary, and he does his finger quote and dismisses them with an explosion?

This one? :D

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@Cranbert: That looks awesome! We need more snow planets, I get a kind of sick enjoyment watching Garrus stick it out in uncomfortable situations for his Commander. ::bad person::

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 25 juin 2011 - 12:30 .


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^ That comic is amazing and proof that all turians are badass, even the politicians :D

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YES thats the one. omg ive been googlin that for the past few minutes and u had it up all along even though i found itt again. ugggh.

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Thanks Bubble and Runic! Yes I did, while trying to get through Mass Effect withdrawal =)

And why not?! Young Garr bear and papa
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I know this has Very little to do with the thread, But I just found this Too Funny!!!



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Am I the only one that wishes to smush child Garrus to her bosom and love on him to death? No? Aww, he's so cute in that fanart.

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Cranbert wrote...

Thanks Bubble and Runic! Yes I did, while trying to get through Mass Effect withdrawal =)

And why not?! Young Garr bear and papa
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  He is so Adorable!:wub:  I hope we get to meet his family in ME 3!

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Aris Ravenstar wrote...
Most of the iconic, earlier comic characters all had that 'I'm a hero, I don't kill' rule. Batman was one of the few heroes to bend that rule to its limit. Batman was (arguably) the original gritty superhero. It was his thing long before anybody knew who this upstart Punisher was. The nickname 'Space Batman' isn't about his methods so much as personality and inspiration.

One thing to understand is that the 'rule of cool' is very much in play here. If someone is closer to Zam Wessel than Boba Fett, it's still appropriate to choose Boba Fett as a moniker for them. Because Boba Fett is iconic. This is the difference between Batman and The Punisher. Batman is Batman. You don't have to know comics to know who Batman is.

Hmmmmmm thats actually a VERY good point. I applaud at this.
Im guessing the comic book nerd inside got the better of me X3
And if it makes anyone feel any better, the more you say it - Space Batman does have a nicer ring to it.
Surprisingly enough Punisher isnt ALL THAT ruthless personality wise, which is why i made the comparison. He's only ruthless to criminals - murdering, causing threats, extortion in other means. Doing all this because of the deaths of his family and close friends. Wanting to bring down hell in the form of justice upon those who deserve it to prevent anything else like that to happen. Disregarding rules and the authorities. And he was a master marksman and tactician X3 So i always figured it fit quite well with Garrus personally. Sure not his family was killed, but his team was and wanting to bring down Sidonis. And wanting to bring justice to criminals in the renegade way he always seems think being right.Trying to make life easier of others. BUT now that you mention it, i see where you're coming from - the whole mainstream  and "iconic" part. Batman is a classic. Its true you dont have to know comics to know about the guy XP Im sorry if my geekiness somehow offended anyone. We're all friends here. *headbumps all around*

And about garrus' family : I want to meet them badly, but enough with the tragedy. We can all agree Garrus has had one hell of a life. His mom doesnt need to die. And honestly - i dont want it to happen.

Plus, i saw this on one of the bioware pulse episodes and twitter, Casey and others mentioned that characters are scattered in the beginning. Most are dealing with "personal issues" during this critical time. When they join up, apparently, they will carry with them SOME of these issues. Shep will have to confront these in some form. Now while I dont mind clearing some of this issues, diving deeper into character backgrounds, I dont want this to be an all out personal mission quest after another. This is war. With all thats going on - wouldnt these "issues" be the least of Shepards concerns? Heck - she has to combine entire civilizations. Theres alot of things that need to get done. Im guessing this is going to be some kind of "Loyalty missions" all over again. Just random missions if we "have the time". Though Im sure they of course wont be called "loyalty" missions. And something tells me Garrus wants some closure with his dad, or want to confront him. Who knows - it could be apart of the story itself as we try to confront the turian civilization and his dad is there. Like Aris said, its also more "compelling". How steamed will he be when he discovers what his son has been up to, IF he discovers about Omega, and DUN DUN DUN - Shepard his girlfriend. A human AND a spectre. It just screams tension XP

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Cranbert wrote...

Felt the need to draw Garrus PO'd at the cold

*garrus in the cold pic snip*

Ok - why does that remind me of Assassin's Creed!? Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image
Its definitely the clothes. And no visor? Smart that he COULD have it off. In a storm, could be harder to see with in on. But at the same time, with all its specs - it could possibly help? hmmm the possibilities.*thinks*
Anyways, NICE! I love it!! You really got some talent ^_O I like the way how you made the clothes look as theyre being blown by the strong winds.

Modifié par ArcanaLegacy, 25 juin 2011 - 06:06 .


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Awwwww! The father-son picture is so cute! <3

Am I the only one foolishly getting my hopes up to spot some alien children after seeing that little human boy in the demo? >_> <3

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Hmmmmmm thats actually a VERY good point. I applaud at this.
Im guessing the comic book nerd inside got the better of me X3
And if it makes anyone feel any better, the more you say it - Space Batman does have a nicer ring to it.
Surprisingly enough Punisher isnt ALL THAT ruthless personality wise, which is why i made the comparison. He's only ruthless to criminals - murdering, causing threats, extortion in other means. Doing all this because of the deaths of his family and close friends. Wanting to bring down hell in the form of justice upon those who deserve it to prevent anything else like that to happen. Disregarding rules and the authorities. And he was a master marksman and tactician X3 So i always figured it fit quite well with Garrus personally. Sure not his family was killed, but his team was and wanting to bring down Sidonis. And wanting to bring justice to criminals in the renegade way he always seems think being right.Trying to make life easier of others. BUT now that you mention it, i see where you're coming from - the whole mainstream  and "iconic" part. Batman is a classic. Its true you dont have to know comics to know about the guy XP Im sorry if my geekiness somehow offended anyone. We're all friends here. *headbumps all around*

Oh, no hard feelings! Sorry if I sounded all 'SRS BZNS' in my lengthy post. It's really not that big of a deal what anyone calls him, it's just a silly nickname, I just wanted to take the opportunity to get my thoughts out on it since you'd mentioned it. ^_^

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Plus, i saw this on one of the bioware pulse episodes and twitter, Casey and others mentioned that characters are scattered in the beginning. Most are dealing with "personal issues" during this critical time. When they join up, apparently, they will carry with them SOME of these issues. Shep will have to confront these in some form. Now while I dont mind clearing some of this issues, diving deeper into character backgrounds, I dont want this to be an all out personal mission quest after another. This is war. With all thats going on - wouldnt these "issues" be the least of Shepards concerns? Heck - she has to combine entire civilizations. Theres alot of things that need to get done. Im guessing this is going to be some kind of "Loyalty missions" all over again. Just random missions if we "have the time". Though Im sure they of course wont be called "loyalty" missions. And something tells me Garrus wants some closure with his dad, or want to confront him. Who knows - it could be apart of the story itself as we try to confront the turian civilization and his dad is there. Like Aris said, its also more "compelling". How steamed will he be when he discovers what his son has been up to, IF he discovers about Omega, and DUN DUN DUN - Shepard his girlfriend. A human AND a spectre. It just screams tension XP

See, this is what I want from a Vakarian family reunion, not some angsty hospital scene. And Papa Vakarian is so biased against Spectres that Shepard doesn't even have to be romancing Garrus for that to cause some tension. Obviously it wouldn't be quite as tense, but LI or not Papa Vakarian still won't be happy to see his son show up with half of his face scarred up, following dutifully behind that disgraced human Spectre.

Tragedy isn't nearly as entertaining to me as conflict. And it sounds like we're already going to have a ton of tragedy to deal with as it is.

And I agree, there really isn't time for personal missions. I wonder if there are going to be any personal missions at all or if they'll just tie in the character's personal issue to the main mission, adding a small complication of some kind.

I think we'd really be lucky to see any of Garrus' family at all, because you've got to consider if we're getting personal with everyone, that's a lot of NPCs. Luckily Tali's close with the admirals, so they'd be tied into the quarian plot anyway, but I know the Ashley fans want to meet all of her sisters. And then there's Kolyat, Oriana, Samara's other two daughters, and some people want a touching Aethyta/Liara reunion, etc... I'm not optimistic for the Vakarians, but I'm still going to hope.

Here's a question. If we could only meet one member of Garrus' family, who would you choose? I'm torn between tension-creating Papa Vakarian and Solona because, female turian!

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Mm tough choice, Aris. I'd rather go with Solana because.. well, female turians! And the banter would be amazing. The tension with Papa Vakarian might be interesting and all but haven't we dealt with enough daddy issues for the crew already? Bring in the snarky younger sister!

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Yeah, I suppose the series is already rampant with daddy issues... Garrus already has a snarky younger sister relationship with Tali though. After the elevators conversation I can't help but imagine him constantly teasing her. In a good-natured way, of course. ;)

I still think Solana is the older sibling though. She had that nosy, mother hen, 'I expect better of you, little brother!' vibe to her, IMO, and he read like the younger sibling who the family thinks is a little bit of a screw-up. Then again sometimes little sisters are like that too, like Katara in A:TLA.

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I love the fan art looks really good...

I love the finger gesture thats causes an explosion... that would destroy the Reapers in no time...

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I just fin

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I just find this picture really funny...

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Cranbert wrote...

Thanks Bubble and Runic! Yes I did, while trying to get through Mass Effect withdrawal =)

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Oh god this is adorable!! On par with the turian baby picture we had a couple of days ago... :wub:

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Did reviews on two levels yesterday. Both of them had brutal decisions to make.

Is anyone elses ME3 excitement crossing over into nauseating anxiety:huh:

Garrus:crying:

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 Im sorry if my idea of Garrus mother fate sounds like tragedy :( . It wasnt the intention really. I guess since she is gonna die i would jsut prefer she does it in a somewhat heroic way (making sure a healthy Turian gets her place on the shuttle) then having Garrus worry about her and not being able to help. Id like him to be proud of her. No hospital scene needed and that way he doenst get a letter from Sol saying that he should have been there to save his family and that its all his fault. Id really hate.

And as for how Shep could meet some of the Vakarians well im on the boat of 'this isnt a family vacation'. To me it would only make sense if his father or his sister was in the army and you had to negociate with them for something Reapers related. 

I would have a hard time with a mission to rescue them because it would be hard not to do it but it would also be unfair to the rest of the crew. We cant go around the galaxy saving individual families while the Reapers destroy plantes one by one. Im sure Garrus would be the first to understand that.

I hope that Papa Vakarian acts like a good Turian but also recognizes what his son has done and that hes a bit torn. ''Youre not a good Turian my son but sometimes thats what is needed. i would like to help you more but i have orders. Now go and make me proud.''

That would be if Shep saved the Concil and kept Garrus alive. I dont want to see a meeting of a pro Cerberus Shepard or one who had Garrus killed with M. Vakarian. :pinched:

Modifié par outmane, 25 juin 2011 - 04:57 .


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hmm from all the information i read on the first page i kinda acceped even turian civilians are not exactly civilians, they all have weapons in ther homes and at least basic military training from very young age and are perfectly capable to fight even if they are not higher ranked soldiers. i think garrus' sister will kick ass on the battlefield.
on the mother subject, i agree with outmane, since turians are proud i imagine his mom sacrificing to save more healthier people.
as for the tough mission choices here are my thoughts: we could have the option to either secure smaller area that includes garrus' family, or a larger town. something like one of the choices you got on an alternate missions in 2nd to secure industrial plant that is an impotrant alliance spaceport or a civilian area... either way im anxious O_O

i think papa vakarian and garrus will still have their differences, and it will take alot of hard work to show him that his son is actually more awesome then all his army put together XD

PS. this is adorable!!!


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