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[Good Chaos7]

With the Survival of Mordin, I am hopeful that we can get a cure for Garrus's mom! He's the smartest Man we Know!!

[chibievil]

just learning how to use the tablet (borrowing my brothers till i get my own), this is like the 2nd try at drawing garrus, i aint so sure all of his tattoos are right but oh wells,

i also recon in me3 garrus father will ask garrus to choose between his family and to be with shepard (if in a relationship with him).

If not i still want to see his father, i bet he is as mighty looking and sounding as garrus is

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

That is pretty damn accurate chibieval! *Wishes she could draw*

And it really opens your eyes as to how much tragedy there is in Garrus' life, and how there are things that he doesn't even tell Shepard because he doesn't want to rely on her and wants to sort out his own problems. It is a sign of how much he has developed in ME2.

It also is an argument against those who claim that Garrus simply lays all his problems on Shepard, because he doesn't. Just the ones that he can't solve without Shepard giving the 'go ahead.'

[Chewin]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...
It also is an argument against those who claim that Garrus simply lays all his problems on Shepard, because he doesn't. Just the ones that he can't solve without Shepard giving the 'go ahead.'

I agree, and also all the people who keep on argumenting this, doesn't see the bigger picture. Sure, it may look weired that Garrus "cries" to you to help him here and there, but what they don't see is that everytime we decided to help him, we develop his character.

We've seen this through ME1 with the Saleon mission and the paragon/renegade route Garrus takes during the ending of the game and how it impacts ME2's playthrough with Sidonis. (I would go deeper but I'm feeling sleepy)

Yeah, he may ask for you to help him constantly, but what I've seen during my ME playthroughs of Garrus and his development, he develops through actions, not dialog option, which is why I like Garrus.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

He does have some great character development from 1 to 2, and I love that Shepard can influence him. But he does have his own independant thoughts and morals, as he demonstrated when he went vigilante on Omega.

He doesn't rely on Shepard on everything, he has the potential to be an excellent leader. Even the SB thought so.

Just because a tragic, unforeseeable event made Garrus lose his team doesn't make him a 'bad' leader. It just makes him an unlicky leader.

[chibievil]

i hate the nose of garrus that i did, needs more improvement, i have absolutly no pictures of my shepard sideways for the armour and face, so most of it was guess work. But i like it. For a 3rd piece using tablet i think i done farely good.

Also @Tasha Vas Nar Rayya i agree he doesnt always ask you to do missions. Its really the players choice, as you dont need to do his quests if you dont want.

I personally lik his character, his missions are enjoyable too. and he has an awesome voice too

[nebezial]

hey nice work. you are getting better with that tablet keep the pics coming!

[ThatDancingTurian]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

That is pretty damn accurate chibieval! *Wishes she could draw*

And it really opens your eyes as to how much tragedy there is in Garrus' life, and how there are things that he doesn't even tell Shepard because he doesn't want to rely on her and wants to sort out his own problems. It is a sign of how much he has developed in ME2.

It also is an argument against those who claim that Garrus simply lays all his problems on Shepard, because he doesn't. Just the ones that he can't solve without Shepard giving the 'go ahead.'

Seriously!! Garrus keeps most things close to the vest. The only reason he tells Shepard about his team is because Shepard is his only friend, Shepard asks, and seems to give off that 'lay all of your problems at my feet' vibe that makes everyone and their dog want to tell Shep all of their troubles.

I don't understand when people say he makes Shepard deal with all of his problems. He's brought all of two problems to Shepard, one in each game. Same as most everyone else. What was he supposed to do, not tell Shepard anything about his team or Sidonis and when he got the info about Fade just say, "I need to take a leave and deal with... something, Commander. I'll be back later."

That's not how the game works. And he's going on a suicide mission to have Shepard's back; Shepard can't return the favor and help him get his head on straight like s/he does for everyone else?

As for Saleon, he probably thought Shepard would want to know. It is kind of a Spectre's job to take out high-profile criminals like Saleon, and C-Sec couldn't touch him.

He only talks about problems if it's constructive to do so. He doesn't worry Solana with something she can't do anything about like his suicide mission or what happened to him on Omega, and he doesn't worry Shepard with his family problems for the same reason. I really admire him for that.

EDIT: The funny thing is, if Garrus had said he had some mysterious problem to deal with and just disappeared, everyone would have complained and asked why they couldn't go with him. It's a lose-lose situation.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 26 juin 2011 - 01:09 .

[Leonia]

Dude, Garrus is the first person to say "I don't want to bother you Shepard but.." I mean, the plot sort of demands that he has a loyalty quest just like every other squad-mate. It's optional, as is his quest in ME1. He by no means goes out of his way to get Shepard's attention and even gives off the "Only if you have nothing else to do could you help me out here.." vibe. Who are the people saying otherwise? I mean, hell, he never even tells Shepard about his sick mother and has Mordin help him out with that behind-the-scenes.

He might wear his heart on his sleeve but he's not nearly as whiny or attention-seeking as a lot of other characters can be (not just referring to ME here but Bioware games in general). You really have to go looking for problems to solve with him, same goes with the romance dialogue.. he is probably one of the most reserved characters on the team but will open up to Shepard only if Shepard asks him to. It makes sense, in both cases he's the only turian around on a mostly human vessel and he just wants to keep to himself and get some calibrations done but Shepard.. Shepard is someone he's comfortable with, regardless if romance is going on or not.

Anyway, somewhat shifting gears here, I was importing into ME2 last night and starting up Garrus' recruitment mission for like the fifth time and noticed that some times didn't line up. TIM says that he dropped off the grid a few months after Shepard's death and Aria says he only showed up on Omega "several months ago". There are two years to fill in and it doesn't seem like we are told what he does between leaving the Citadel and showing up on Omega. Or am I just reading too much into that?

Modifié par leonia42, 26 juin 2011 - 01:36 .

[ThatDancingTurian]

leonia42 wrote...

Anyway, somewhat shifting gears here, I was importing into ME2 last night and starting up Garrus' recruitment mission for like the fifth time and noticed that some times didn't line up. TIM says that he dropped off the grid a few months after Shepard's death and Aria says he only showed up on Omega "several months ago". There are two years to fill in and it doesn't seem like we are told what he does between leaving the Citadel and showing up on Omega. Or am I just reading too much into that?

I don't know. Maybe since Omega doesn't have seasons they don't use years as a measurement of time? That's kind of a reach, I know.

It's highly possible he didn't go straight to Omega from the Citadel, but I would think in order to make a name for himself and get enough attention to form a group he would need to be there for at least a year. Maybe Aria was referring to when people started taking notice of Archangel, like when he started attempting high-profile attacks on the mercs, not specifically when he first came to Omega.

[chibievil]

Well depending on what happened in ME1, he went either back to C-sec or trained to be a Specter, but didn't like how it was going and that's when the Couple months come in...

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Garrus! *heterosexual best friend hug*

Ah, you should have seen me light up when I saw Archangel reveal his identity to Shepard. I loved the whole Archangel mission, very dramatic.

[Lady Olivia]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

I still think Solana is the older sibling though. She had that nosy, mother hen, 'I expect better of you, little brother!' vibe to her, IMO, and he read like the younger sibling who the family thinks is a little bit of a screw-up. Then again sometimes little sisters are like that too, like Katara in A:TLA.

Agreed. The oldest child is usually the responsible, intellectual type, an achiever, unlike the seconds and middles who have to fight for their place, be better athletes (or snipers), be more competitive, work to prove their worth. I don't see Garrus as the responsible "older brother" type at all.

[Lady Olivia]

leonia42 wrote...

Anyway, somewhat shifting gears here, I was importing into ME2 last night and starting up Garrus' recruitment mission for like the fifth time and noticed that some times didn't line up. TIM says that he dropped off the grid a few months after Shepard's death and Aria says he only showed up on Omega "several months ago". There are two years to fill in and it doesn't seem like we are told what he does between leaving the Citadel and showing up on Omega. Or am I just reading too much into that?

Say that TIM's "few months" is 2 months.
Aria's "several months" could be anything from four to six or eight. Say 8 months. That's 10 months we have accounted for. 

Aria is speaking about Archangel, not about Garrus, though. I assume Garrus had to work a bit before his deeds and his name caught the queen's attention, but could that account for more than a year?

I believe it's a continuity error in Aria's dialog.

Modifié par Lady Olivia, 26 juin 2011 - 11:18 .

[nebezial]

leonia42 wrote...

Anyway, somewhat shifting gears here, I was importing into ME2 last night and starting up Garrus' recruitment mission for like the fifth time and noticed that some times didn't line up. TIM says that he dropped off the grid a few months after Shepard's death and Aria says he only showed up on Omega "several months ago". There are two years to fill in and it doesn't seem like we are told what he does between leaving the Citadel and showing up on Omega. Or am I just reading too much into that?

maybe he was laying low for awhile on omenga not causing too much trouble and secretly assembling the team, perhaps aria took notice of him only at the time he got the "archangel" nickname. but that seems a bit far fetched knowing that aria has spies everywhere..

[ThatDancingTurian]

If her spies were that good, she'd probably know who he was.

I'm thinking she probably didn't think much of a random ex-C-Sec officer showing up, even if he started buying up weapons or something. Omega seems like the place people go for that sort of thing given that it's run by gangs.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 26 juin 2011 - 12:31 .

[outmane]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

He only talks about problems if it's constructive to do so. He doesn't worry Solana with something she can't do anything about like his suicide mission or what happened to him on Omega, and he doesn't worry Shepard with his family problems for the same reason. I really admire him for that.

Wow Aris you say it so well right there. For how many problems he has/had he only talks about those that can be fixed. To me it shows what kinda person he is, hes a man of action and want to take the opportunity when he can do something. To me thats a spectre quality (well at least a paragon one).

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

According to what Jacob says, it is sort of inferred that Garrus isn't actually on the Normandy when it is blown to smithereens. Jacob only mentions 'the asari and the quarian.'

He said that he tried going back to C-sec/ training to be a spectre but that it just didn't work out for him. He was disillusioned by the red tape, or by the council due to the events in ME1. So I don't know if he spent a year being discontent at C-sec/spectre training once he heard about Shepard. And then, in my mind, he woke up one night, and he realised he wanted to make a difference where the laws can't restrict him.

Omega, of course. So he built a team the way Shepard did - showed that he got things done. And then went Omega batman on the unsuspecting mercs. Of course, nothing is set in concrete, but this is the impression I got from what was said in game.

[ArcanaLegacy]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...
And it really opens your eyes as to how much tragedy there is in Garrus' life, and how there are things that he doesn't even tell Shepard because he doesn't want to rely on her and wants to sort out his own problems. It is a sign of how much he has developed in ME2.

It also is an argument against those who claim that Garrus simply lays all his problems on Shepard, because he doesn't. Just the ones that he can't solve without Shepard giving the 'go ahead.'

Seriously!! Garrus keeps most things close to the vest. The only reason he tells Shepard about his team is because Shepard is his only friend, Shepard asks, and seems to give off that 'lay all of your problems at my feet' vibe that makes everyone and their dog want to tell Shep all of their troubles.

I don't understand when people say he makes Shepard deal with all of his problems. He's brought all of two problems to Shepard, one in each game. Same as most everyone else. What was he supposed to do, not tell Shepard anything about his team or Sidonis and when he got the info about Fade just say, "I need to take a leave and deal with... something, Commander. I'll be back later."

EXACTLY!!! Of all characters - Garrus keeps to himself. Realize - we found out about his family in a terminal!?[im so erked by this BW!] I feel that Garrus doesnt tell Shepard his personal issues because he also doesnt want to burden her. She has so many other things to do - Heck she's the "Commander". He probably thinks its best to not put anymore things in her head, possibly thinking his own problems are unnecessary to be known and unimportant. But only mentioning the obvious of her concerns. Upon his return to the normandy, he obviously answered her questions about his time on omega and how he got into that mess which almost costed his own life. 

He would only ask Shep "favors" if she COULD set time aside to help. The way he brings up these requests are always in that "Sorry to bother you Shepard" tone. And realize his requests involve something dangerous. He would only ask if knows he actually couldnt do it alone, and he sees Shepard as both a very close friend and powerful ally. He knows with her, he can get the job done. Tracking down Sidonis through an unknown contact named "Fade" - he knows he has to be careful and on guard, so he'll definitely need something skilled and trustworthy to have his back.  

My idea on Garrus is that he hates to put burdens on others, or be a burden himself for that matter. Why bring about your own complications upon someone when it'll just make them worry? He would rather keep things to himself than have Shepard "waste time" worrying about him when she has to run a ship, her crew, this suicide mission all together at once. He knows its alot to take in, but he knows that if anyone can do it, its her. He would prefer to be there for her and help HER problems be easier than the other way around. Even when he did mention how he blames himself for what happened to his team, he pretty much stops the conversation because he probably caught on that Shepard was getting concerned. The way he just walks away saying after the first conversation - "Thanks for coming by, Shepard. I've got some things to take care of."
The tone he says it too. He's holding back.

Garrus needs a hug! XD

Aris Ravenstar wrote...
He only talks about problems if it's constructive to do so. He doesn't worry Solana with something she can't do anything about like his suicide mission or what happened to him on Omega, and he doesn't worry Shepard with his family problems for the same reason. I really admire him for that.

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[Twilight_Princess]

ArcanaLegacy wrote...


*awesome post*

My thoughts exactly arc . Which is why it puzzles me when some people say garrus is “whiney”  because he’s one of the few characters that doesn’t unload all their problems onto shep, you really need to prod the guy for him to open up to you. And even then it’s shepard that asks him if he wants any help afterwards. While it can be a frustrating characteristic sometimes (we love hearing you talk garrus!) it’s also made his romance refreshing because it wasn’t knee-deep in angst and it didn’t revolve around a personal problem that shepard had to solve.  I loved how it didn’t have anything to do with sidonis or revenge and was just about 2 mates getting a bit closer. I think it’s so lovely that he tries his best not to burden shepard and is so thoughtful about her (during the missions and in his romance) and yes ,  there must  be hugs for garrus, that includes a good bro hug as well.

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 26 juin 2011 - 08:17 .

[outmane]

 the lack of dialogue is a far more reasonable complaint about Garrus character in ME2 compared to him whining too much (one that should be adressed by the devs sinc ethey stated 'less calibrations' in ME3 ).

My main answer about that 'lack of dialogue' is to point at how much unique banters and little quips Garrus (and to some extent Tali, but you get her much later) gets during missions. To me that shows 2 things:
How hes much more 'alive' on the battlefield then waiting on the ship. Hes a man of action and that shows it well.
How close he is with Shep, giving him/her tactical advices and exchanging witty remarks. and usually his remarks supercede other squaddies ones, even Miri's.

An easy example is when asking Wrex about Grunt's problem. While every squaddy says 'oh so its Krogan puberty ?' or even just 'interesting' Garrus line goes like 'Krogan puberty? Oh god why cant we just buy him a couple dances on Omega'. Its nice to know the writters took specific interest in thinking how Garrus would personnaly react to all the situations Shep faces. I hope they continue that way in ME3 and even extend it to all squaddies (good thing ther will be less of them).

Actually its hard for me to choose what missions i dont bring him for. My Shep makes it a point to test everyone at least one on other missions then their own loyalty issues.

[ArcanaLegacy]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

ArcanaLegacy wrote...
*awesome post*

My thoughts exactly arc . Which is why it puzzles me when some people say garrus is “whiney”  because he’s one of the few characters that doesn’t unload all their problems onto shep, you really need to prod the guy for him to open up to you. And even then it’s shepard that asks him if he wants any help afterwards. While it can be a frustrating characteristic sometimes (we love hearing you talk garrus!) it’s also made his romance refreshing because it wasn’t knee-deep in angst and it didn’t revolve around a personal problem that shepard had to solve.  I loved how it didn’t have anything to do with sidonis or revenge and was just about 2 mates getting a bit closer. I think it’s so lovely that he tries his best not to burden shepard and is so thoughtful about her (during the missions and in his romance) and yes ,  there must  be hugs for garrus, that includes a good bro hug as well.

HYRULE! *glomp*
And wait.....WHO says Garrus is whiney!? How!? ...but....he's not....*gets sniper* Tell me who said that! lol XP
Anyways yes. I realized that Garrus is sarcastic during missions sure. He's comments are some of the best ever throughout the game. But ever thing that he could also be doing it on purpose to get Shepard to laugh/smile?  He's so thoughtful towards Shep as a close friend that he could be doing it to get Shepard to have a laugh or two throughtout her hectic life. He knows she has a lot of her own burdens [She was brought back to life to pretty much fight a war for crying out loud]. And yes, while it is at times a "frustrating" aspect about his character that he doesnt open up, it also brings out some kind of respect and admiration for him because of it.

During that romance scene - he pulled my heartstrings that he let out some of his more sentimental side at the end. Shame - i wanted to see just abit more XP

Ya know - putting all these thoughts together, his romance, not putting burdens out there, the sarcasm, joining without much reason aside from actually wanting to help [mostly everyone had some sort of deal to join>.>]. Garrus really wants Shepard to be somewhat happy. Going out of his way to try to make things easier. Even after getting surgical procedures done on him - he doesnt stay in the medbay on deck 3. He actually gets out and about, into the elevator, goes to the comm room to see Shepard [betcha he asked Chakwas how to get there XD]. He mustve known she was worrying about him, especially after seeing him in a pool of his own blood, and wanted to ease her concerns. He mustve been in some discomfort after that procedure, on top of not being able to rest for days on omega - but he got to the room anyways.

And of course hyrule - Brofists and brohugs are a must!

Modifié par ArcanaLegacy, 26 juin 2011 - 09:01 .

[Twilight_Princess]

Arcian wrote...

I've been watching the Sharpe TV-series the last few days, and on more than one occasion I've noticed how much Sharpe and Pat Harper's bromance reminds me of Shepard and Garrus. What we've seen so far in ME1 and ME2 is fine - but for ME3, I just want to see the two of them bro out to the max.

Bring on the bro love

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 27 juin 2011 - 01:59 .

[Twilight_Princess]

ArcanaLegacy wrote...


HYRULE! *glomp*
And wait.....WHO says Garrus is whiney!? How!? ...but....he's not....*gets sniper* Tell me who said that! lol XP

 put the gun down arc. "whiney" is not a unique insult for garrus as it is the most used criticism against most of the characters in mass effect . That's because it's vague and its used by people that can't articulate what it is that really bugs them about a character. The second is probably "boring"  (poor Kaidan gets hit with both the most I think, which is not fair at all) but the most universal critique is defiantly "whiney". Basically any character that shares or is focused on his or her problems is whiney and since a big chunk of the game is getting to know characters and their backgrounds well that makes the whole Normandy crew whiners doesn't it?

Anyways yes. I realized that Garrus is sarcastic during missions sure. He's comments are some of the best ever throughout the game. But ever thing that he could also be doing it on purpose to get Shepard to laugh/smile?  He's so thoughtful towards Shep as a close friend that he could be doing it to get Shepard to have a laugh or two throughtout her hectic life.

 I think so too, pre-romance Garrus wouldn't have sat shep down in ME2 and said "Talk to me Shepard. The reaper threat, the council not believing you, being brought back from the dead, this all must all be tough for you"  because he wouldn’t think it was his place to give shep advice  (as he is too self aware about his own mistakes) and maybe figured the last thing she wanted was someone playing shrink. Instead he did the best thing he could, let her know that she hasn't changed or was "different" (she might have had doubts after lazerus) and most importantly tried to cheer her up and be her friend because they need something normal like a good friendship amongst all the chaos. Without each other I don't think they could cope as well with all the destruction.

During that romance scene - he pulled my heartstrings that he let out some of his more sentimental side at the end. Shame - i wanted to see just abit more XP

Garrus is such a sweetheart  I can't wait for more heartfelt moments

Ya know - putting all these thoughts together, his romance, not putting burdens out there, the sarcasm, joining without much reason aside from actually wanting to help [mostly everyone had some sort of deal to join>.>]. Garrus really wants Shepard to be somewhat happy. Going out of his way to try to make things easier. Even after getting surgical procedures done on him - he doesnt stay in the medbay on deck 3. He actually gets out and about, into the elevator, goes to the comm room to see Shepard [betcha he asked Chakwas how to get there XD]. He mustve known she was worrying about him, especially after seeing him in a pool of his own blood, and wanted to ease her concerns. He mustve been in some discomfort after that procedure, on top of not being able to rest for days on omega - but he got to the room anyways.

Yes! That's why he immediately makes a joke about his face , to let her know he was ok and was back to his old self.  The truth is garrus nearly got killed but he wouldn't even let something as serious as that dwell in shepard's mind or burden her "I'm fit for duty whenever you need me"

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 26 juin 2011 - 10:20 .