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[The Sarendoctrinator]

Garrus has been my favorite squadmate since the beginning, and I liked his character even more in ME2. The fact that he became a vigilante on Omega seemed like a completely natural transition to me. Maybe it's because I typically play Shepards who go the Renegade route on his missions, so when Garrus said he "learned from the best" I can totally see where he got it from (my crazy bunch of vengeful Shepards), but really... this sort of thing is in-character for him.

Even if Shepard encourages him to go the Paragon route, it's clear that Renegade actions like these are always his first instinct, and that part of his nature is not going to change after spending a short time with Paragon Shepard in ME1. He tried, and going back to C-Sec for a while shows that, but he never liked working at C-Sec. Spectre training didn't work out either, for whatever reason. And for someone who has such a strong sense of justice like Garrus does, it's not surprising to me that he went to the one place he felt like he might be able to make a difference in.

Karrie788 wrote...

Hey! I've been browsing the thread for hours now and since the wait for ME3 is basically *killing* me, I thought I might finally jump in to express my unconditional love for Garrus and turians in general.

And to think I had never played the Mass Effect games until last month. ._.

Welcome! I actually started playing ME1 a few months before ME2 was released, so you're not the only one.

[UrsulaCousland]

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

Garrus has been my favorite squadmate since the beginning, and I liked his character even more in ME2. The fact that he became a vigilante on Omega seemed like a completely natural transition to me. Maybe it's because I typically play Shepards who go the Renegade route on his missions, so when Garrus said he "learned from the best" I can totally see where he got it from (my crazy bunch of vengeful Shepards), but really... this sort of thing is in-character for him.

Even if Shepard encourages him to go the Paragon route, it's clear that Renegade actions like these are always his first instinct, and that part of his nature is not going to change after spending a short time with Paragon Shepard in ME1. He tried, and going back to C-Sec for a while shows that, but he never liked working at C-Sec. Spectre training didn't work out either, for whatever reason. And for someone who has such a strong sense of justice like Garrus does, it's not surprising to me that he went to the one place he felt like he might be able to make a difference in.

Karrie788 wrote...

Hey! I've been browsing the thread for hours now and since the wait for ME3 is basically *killing* me, I thought I might finally jump in to express my unconditional love for Garrus and turians in general.

And to think I had never played the Mass Effect games until last month. ._.

Welcome! I actually started playing ME1 a few months before ME2 was released, so you're not the only one.

(Welcome! Roughly 6-month fan here... )

I think the transition to vigilante makes total sense, even for a paragoned Garrus - his "No civilian casualties" rule screams paragon influence. Does he still say that if you totally renegade him? (I don't have enough PTs to know, at least not yet. )

[Karrie788]

UrsulaCousland wrote...

(Welcome! Roughly 6-month fan here... )

I think the transition to vigilante makes total sense, even for a paragoned Garrus - his "No civilian casualties" rule screams paragon influence. Does he still say that if you totally renegade him? (I don't have enough PTs to know, at least not yet. )

Thanks! And yeah, he does.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

Aww, chibi Shep and Garrus high-five at the top of the page. xD

Yeah, Garrus still says the "no civilian casualties" line. Even for Renegade Garrus, it makes sense. He came to Omega to make life better for those people. If he started killing them, it kind of defeats the purpose. They would have been just as afraid of him as they were of the merc gangs.

I think the main difference in dialogue for ME1 Paragon/Renegade path is his conversation with Shepard in the shuttle on his loyalty mission. Garrus thinks that Paragon Shepard won't approve, but for Renegades, Shep can say that's exactly what he/she would have done and Garrus has his "learned from the best" line. Also, for ME1 Renegades who go the Paragon route, Garrus is surprised that Shepard doesn't support his plans for revenge.

[Karrie788]

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

Aww, chibi Shep and Garrus high-five at the top of the page. xD

Yeah, Garrus still says the "no civilian casualties" line. Even for Renegade Garrus, it makes sense. He came to Omega to make life better for those people. If he started killing them, it kind of defeats the purpose. They would have been just as afraid of him as they were of the merc gangs.

I think the main difference in dialogue for ME1 Paragon/Renegade path is his conversation with Shepard in the shuttle on his loyalty mission. Garrus thinks that Paragon Shepard won't approve, but for Renegades, Shep can say that's exactly what he/she would have done and Garrus has his "learned from the best" line. Also, for ME1 Renegades who go the Paragon route, Garrus is surprised that Shepard doesn't support his plans for revenge.

Maybe the Paragon/Renegade path will have a bigger impact in ME3?

[The Sarendoctrinator]

It's possible. I can't be sure. I've read the spoilers, but it's hard to tell what causes dialogue variations in the script. Even I'll just have to wait and see for this one.

[Eradyn]

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

It's possible. I can't be sure. I've read the spoilers, but it's hard to tell what causes dialogue variations in the script. Even I'll just have to wait and see for this one.

One of the many reasons the player's guide will be a day-one purchase for me.  I just know I'll mess it up otherwise...

[The Sarendoctrinator]

Eradyn wrote...

One of the many reasons the player's guide will be a day-one purchase for me.  I just know I'll mess it up otherwise...

Same for me. I'll pick up the strategy guide on release date with ME3 and start reading it before I even open the game case. There are so many things that I could fail.

[Karrie788]

I'll probably screw up my first playthrough with my first Shepard (imported from both ME1+2), charging blindly into the game and most likely failing miserably.  Then I'll play my "canon" Shepard to get everything right.

I want my happy ending.

[Eradyn]

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

Eradyn wrote...

One of the many reasons the player's guide will be a day-one purchase for me.  I just know I'll mess it up otherwise...

Same for me. I'll pick up the strategy guide on release date with ME3 and start reading it before I even open the game case. There are so many things that I could fail.

I'll be doing the same, save that I'll be reading up on it as I'm installing ME3.  I don't know what I'll do if I find out I made a major "mistake" in ME1/ME2, though I doubt there will be anything so critical, and have to go back and replay them.  It's sounding like ME3's guide will actually be pretty useful compared to the ME2 guide (which was a disappointment).  So long as I can keep Garrus alive...

Karrie788 wrote...

I'll probably screw up my first
playthrough with my first Shepard (imported from both ME1+2), charging
blindly into the game and most likely failing miserably. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie] Then I'll play my "canon" Shepard to get everything right.

I want my happy ending. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/unsure.png[/smilie]

I usually don't have enough energy to do multiple playthroughs...since my first playthrough is usually exhaustively thorough.  Of course, that might change with this one, just to experience different endings. ^^

Modifié par Eradyn, 01 février 2012 - 02:22 .

[The Sarendoctrinator]

My earliest playthroughs of ME1 are kind of messed up too. I didn't have a guide for that one, except the ME Wiki helping out with a few things. (And technically, I guess you could say my latest ME1 playthrough was messed up too... darn that ninjamance.) I still need to replay my FemShep romancing Garrus because of a few minor mistakes, like getting confused on Noveria and giving Parasini the evidence instead of Lorik, but she'll be my first import, so I'll have to do it after ME3. No time for it otherwise.

It's good to know that the guide will be better this time. The ME2 guide was helpful for most things, but wrong about others. I mean, it said Garrus wasn't a full romance... *facepalm*

[Karrie788]

I got ninjamanced by Liara on my most recent PT. WITH NO WAY OUT.
Wait, giving the evidence to Parasini and convincing Lorik to testify is a bad thing?

Modifié par Karrie788, 01 février 2012 - 02:30 .

[Eradyn]

Karrie788 wrote...

I got ninjamanced by Liara on my most recent PT. WITH NO WAY OUT.
Wait, giving the evidence to Parasini and convincing Lorik to testify is a bad thing?

Tbh, it's been so long since I've played ME1 that I no longer have any idea.  I'd check it out on youtube if you can find it and are curious, though.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

Karrie788 wrote...

I got ninjamanced by Liara on my most recent PT. WITH NO WAY OUT.
Wait, giving the evidence to Parasini and convincing Lorik to testify is a bad thing?

The same ninjamance happened to me - Liara, no way out. Did you also choose the "I'm not interested" dialogue instead of "Let's just be friends"? I've been told that the friend option will work, but just in case, I'm recruiting her last in that MaleShep's replay. That'll work for sure.

No, giving the evidence to Parasini isn't really a bad thing, it's just not right for my character. I got confused and thought it was the only choice. xD It makes more sense for my Garrusmance FemShep to give Lorik the evidence, and it makes more sense for some of my other Shepards to give Parasini the evidence. The only difference I know of in ME2 is that Lorik sends a letter to Shepard if he gets the evidence. I'm not sure how it effects Parasini's quest.

[Karrie788]

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

The same ninjamance happened to me - Liara, no way out. Did you also choose the "I'm not interested" dialogue instead of "Let's just be friends"? I've been told that the friend option will work, but just in case, I'm recruiting her last in that MaleShep's replay. That'll work for sure.

No, giving the evidence to Parasini isn't really a bad thing, it's just not right for my character. I got confused and thought it was the only choice. xD It makes more sense for my Garrusmance FemShep to give Lorik the evidence, and it makes more sense for some of my other Shepards to give Parasini the evidence. The only difference I know of in ME2 is that Lorik sends a letter to Shepard if he gets the evidence. I'm not sure how it effects Parasini's quest.

Yes I did! I was roleplaying a straight and "racist" FemShep and I was determined to be mean to Liara (FemShep warms up to aliens as she becomes friends with Wrex, Garrus and Tali though... even Liara eventually... I guess.).
Next thing I know, on our next conversation she talks about asari mating, and I have no way to tell her that I don't want to be with her. Even the locker scene doesn't help. 20 hours of waste.
BUT yes I know for a fact that the "Let's be friends" option works.

Aah I see. xD Thanks for the clarification.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

Karrie788 wrote...

Yes I did! I was roleplaying a straight and "racist" FemShep and I was determined to be mean to Liara (FemShep warms up to aliens as she becomes friends with Wrex, Garrus and Tali though... even Liara eventually... I guess.).
Next thing I know, on our next conversation she talks about asari mating, and I have no way to tell her that I don't want to be with her. Even the locker scene doesn't help. 20 hours of waste.
BUT yes I know for a fact that the "Let's be friends" option works.

Aah I see. xD Thanks for the clarification.

Glad to know the friend option works. I do have Shepards who want to be friends with Liara, but it would have been completely out of character for the MaleShep in my last playthrough. He chose every mean option too. He's got nothing against aliens (Wrex is his best friend, and Garrus becomes a good friend of his too, even though it surprises him considering their cop/gang member backgrounds), but he never trusted Liara... and plus, their personalities clash. Not a good combo. Poor guy just wanted to be with Tali. He'll be my second playthrough, ME1/2/3 one after the other. Garrus romance needs to be first.

[Karrie788]

Well that particular FemShep(I guess I could call her my "canon" one) will end up with Garrus eventually. Hell, so far I couldn't help romancing Garrus in all of my playthroughs. Except the Sheploo one.
She feels uncomfortable around aliens in ME1 because of her colonist background, but working with them changed her mind. Like Pressly, I guess.
But Liara being Benezia's daughter, she never fully trusted her.

And yes, Garrus first. Always Garrus first.

Modifié par Karrie788, 01 février 2012 - 03:02 .

[The Sarendoctrinator]

My MainShep and Garrusmance FemShep are Colonists too (they're like twins, nearly identical appearance, have all but a few major decisions in common, and MainShep is friends with Garrus instead of romance), but they only hate batarians. Turians, they like very much.

[Karrie788]

My Shepard is a little bit of an idiot at first. I like making her evolve from that. Roleplaying her is fun as hell.

[Demonique]

Spaedar wrote...

Nissun wrote...

I think that the number of posts about a character relates to the fan's need of defending said character. Or simply defending how much they like him/her.


I always remember how little posting Mordin's thread has, for example. But here's the thing: Mordin is awesome, and everybody agrees that. His popularity is not in danger. I think the force that pushes longer fan threads is lacking there, but not because the character isn't beloved, but quite the opossite really: it's because nobody hates Mordin!


Meanwhile, other characters, mainly the love interests, get lots of love AND hate. So maybe that kinda affects both parts into posting more.

That being said, I was just reminded of how negatively some people react to the idea of seeing turians as attractive, which has made me sad. And so I come into this threat to remind me that I am not wrong, and that I am not alone.

Very much in agreement, and Mordin is fantastic.
Being gay and playing a gay John Shepard + finding Garrus incredibly attractive and an amazing turian that you wish you could have a relationship with in your story just piles on those kinds of negative reactions. This thread is very great and I truly enjoy following it, contains so much passion for this character that is relatable.

It's even worse if it's a krogan, I committed the mortal sin of posting a Wrex/Ashley romance pic in the Ashley thread and they did they ever freak. Screamed 'that's disgusting', posted brain bleach pics and other childish reaction pics and one of them spammed a whole load of Ash pics to try and get my pic off the current page.

I post it on the masseffect and masseffectkink comms on LiveJournal and it's all 'adorable!' 'I never new a krogan could look hot' 'you've made me ship this'

Is it a BSN thing for some threads to be douchey?


I will be posting Wrex/Ashley pics in that thread again, I have just as much right to post there as they do as it's not the "Ashley and only ships I support' thread.

[Demonique]

Demonique wrote...

Spaedar wrote...

Nissun wrote...

I think that the number of posts about a character relates to the fan's need of defending said character. Or simply defending how much they like him/her.


I always remember how little posting Mordin's thread has, for example. But here's the thing: Mordin is awesome, and everybody agrees that. His popularity is not in danger. I think the force that pushes longer fan threads is lacking there, but not because the character isn't beloved, but quite the opossite really: it's because nobody hates Mordin!


Meanwhile, other characters, mainly the love interests, get lots of love AND hate. So maybe that kinda affects both parts into posting more.

That being said, I was just reminded of how negatively some people react to the idea of seeing turians as attractive, which has made me sad. And so I come into this threat to remind me that I am not wrong, and that I am not alone.

Very much in agreement, and Mordin is fantastic.
Being gay and playing a gay John Shepard + finding Garrus incredibly attractive and an amazing turian that you wish you could have a relationship with in your story just piles on those kinds of negative reactions. This thread is very great and I truly enjoy following it, contains so much passion for this character that is relatable.

It's even worse if it's a krogan, I committed the mortal sin of posting a Wrex/Ashley romance pic in the Ashley thread and they did they ever freak. Screamed 'that's disgusting', posted brain bleach pics and other childish reaction pics and one of them spammed a whole load of Ash pics to try and get my pic off the current page.

I post it on the masseffect and masseffectkink comms on LiveJournal and it's all 'adorable!' 'I never new a krogan could look hot' 'you've made me ship this'

Is it a BSN thing for some threads to be douchey?


I will be posting Wrex/Ashley pics in that thread again, I have just as much right to post there as they do as it's not the "Ashley and only ships I support' thread.

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

k8ee wrote...

Actually what I'm really here for is that image a while back of Garrus's new ****. As a tribute to the great hypno crotch I offer the Garrus BSN thread the following:



That is all.

"Feels like I'm wearing NOTHING AT ALL!"

Someone's done a Jacob version of that Simpsons scene, LOL

[The Sarendoctrinator]

Eradyn, is your new avatar a mix between Garrus and a Collector?

Karrie788 wrote...

My Shepard is a little bit of an idiot at first. I like making her evolve from that. Roleplaying her is fun as hell.

Roleplaying Shepard is exactly why I bought these games. It's so much fun. I didn't know anything about Garrus, Saren, or turians in general when I started playing.

@Demonique: That's usually what happens when people support different pairings, actually... I don't think there's much difference depending on which forum you go to, unless fanfiction communities don't mind pairings that are out of the ordinary as much as gaming forums, which normally stick to "my character + game character" pairings (as the games themselves are designed this way). If there are pics of pairings I don't like, I just ignore them, so it really depends on the individual.

[Eradyn]

BSN is a cesspool, as most internet forums generally are. I took a long hiatus and it was a refreshing break. As it is, I guess I can understand why so many would have a negative reaction to the idea. I mean, I can't exactly blame them when I was reaching for the brain bleach over that Wrex/Shepard + hybrid mutant babies pic someone conjured up from the bowels of hell. Even I have my limits. Others will have even less of a limit, so it won't take much to shock them.

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

Eradyn, is your new avatar a mix between Garrus and a Collector?

I can neither confirm nor deny anything at this particular time, except that I was squeeing and fangirling the entire time I was mooshing the two pictures into one.  Since I had such a hard time choosing...

If you really want to know, however...the answer can be found within the "Mass Effect 3 Character and Romance Discussion" sub-forum.  And all I can do is *drooooooool*.  ME3 might well give me a reason for multiple playthroughs...beyond different endings.  Or at least I can hope.

Or you can ask me via PM and I'll tell you.

Modifié par Eradyn, 01 février 2012 - 04:57 .

[sabin77]

i just got some information from my contacts that works in bioware.
I can't name them to protect there jobs ok, but there inform is always right.

garrus can be romance by the male shep

ps i swear on everything the holy and good that this is fact and sorry for bad grammar and spelling

[Eradyn]

sabin77 wrote...

i just got some information from my contacts that works in bioware.
I can't name them to protect there jobs ok, but there inform is always right.

garrus can be romance by the male shep

ps i swear on everything the holy and good that this is fact and sorry for bad grammar and spelling

I have contacts in BW, too, and they tell me that Shepard is actually a robot unicorn hooked into the matrix; no lie. Seriously, though...we'll find out in a month (or when the final game files leak) but for now I'm sticking to what I know in the verified leaks.

TOP, we meet again...

Modifié par Eradyn, 01 février 2012 - 06:06 .