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[DarthEmpress]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

SuranaMage wrote...

Aren't both Garrus and X written by the same guy?  Maybe he always shipped them together?  I think they probably wanted to do this because it would be different and would show haters of Garrus/Femshep and X/Manshep that their worlds didn't revolve around Shepard or something.

While Weekes did a lot of work with both characters, Garrus is mostly Walters' responsibility.  At least, he has been.

Or they decided to troll the fanbase.  LOL they never really loved ur Shepards they wanted each other LOLOLOL (no, I don't think this I'm just joking )

If Weekes is behind it, I wouldn't be surprised.  That man is an evil genius.

If he really is the one behind it I can see him gleefully cackling behind the scenes about all the drama he's inducing...

[GodWood]

SuranaMage wrote...
I thought Mac only wrote Garrus in ME1 but Patrick wrote Garrus in ME2???  I'm confused 

Not from what I remember. X and Mordin were Weekes, Garrus (in 1 & 2) and Wrex (in 1) were Walters.

[Damate]

Sunset Sill wrote...

For me, it's not so much being jealous as feeling... unnecessary? I'm, unfortunately, the kind of person who sometimes wonders, "Would so-and-so be better off without me?" Like, maybe X and Garrus would be happier together than either one would be with Shep (while the other is left FOREVER ALONE, so of course they're not as happy). Shepard is too awesome for this to ever be a valid way of thinking for her/him, though, so that's just my personal hang-up getting in the way.

It happened for awhile with Fenris and Isabela too--they seemed to be really into each other, so it jaded my Fenrismance playthrough a little bit: "If I weren't romancing Fenris, he would have had a happy relationship with Isabela, and she would've gotten that fine elf ass she was after, I'M JUST GETTING IN THE WAY OF THEIR HAPPINESS NUUUUU."

A huge part of what I enjoy in the Garrus romance is that it's a story about best friends discovering that what they need/want has been right there with them for a long while now (er, minus, you know... 2 years coming back from the dead. right). I was extremely fortunate to marry my best friend, so I have a definite connection to that kind of story arc. So in an alternate setting, I can accept this happening with Garrus and another squadmate, if the foundation of said reality is that Shep/Garrus never, ever happened. (...perish the thought!)

With Fenris... yeah, that was much harder for me to accept gracefully just because he doesn't leave Isy for 3 years after they hook up. :/ I can come up with a number of reasons why that would be the case, but the initial awareness of it is something of a slap to the face. This alternate storyline with Garrus doesn't have that same undertone of insult to me.

[Shifty-looking Chicken]

I also hope that in playthroughs where this pairing doesn't take place (like I said, most of mine), the conversations and banter between the two don't suffer as a result. Like they only talk to each other half as much because half their written interactions were romance build-ups or something.

Modifié par Shifty-looking Chicken, 04 février 2012 - 02:43 .

[Mims]

Garrus was written by both of them in ME2. I'm pretty certain of that. Walters is supervising now, so I wouldn't be surprised if he had a hand in ALL characters.

But,  Garrus and Tali's romances had throwaway lines that felt very much like Weekes' writing and sense of humor.

Modifié par Mims, 04 février 2012 - 02:41 .

[GodWood]

Pacifien's blog contains all the info

Garrus was Walter's baby in ME1. In ME2 Weekes did all his non-mission dialogue.

So I was wrong.

[DarthEmpress]

shygravel wrote...

Sunset Sill wrote...

For me, it's not so much being jealous as feeling... unnecessary? I'm, unfortunately, the kind of person who sometimes wonders, "Would so-and-so be better off without me?" Like, maybe X and Garrus would be happier together than either one would be with Shep (while the other is left FOREVER ALONE, so of course they're not as happy). Shepard is too awesome for this to ever be a valid way of thinking for her/him, though, so that's just my personal hang-up getting in the way.

It happened for awhile with Fenris and Isabela too--they seemed to be really into each other, so it jaded my Fenrismance playthrough a little bit: "If I weren't romancing Fenris, he would have had a happy relationship with Isabela, and she would've gotten that fine elf ass she was after, I'M JUST GETTING IN THE WAY OF THEIR HAPPINESS NUUUUU."

A huge part of what I enjoy in the Garrus romance is that it's a story about best friends discovering that what they need/want has been right there with them for a long while now (er, minus, you know... 2 years coming back from the dead. right). I was extremely fortunate to marry my best friend, so I have a definite connection to that kind of story arc. So in an alternate setting, I can accept this happening with Garrus and another squadmate, if the foundation of said reality is that Shep/Garrus never, ever happened. (...perish the thought!)

With Fenris... yeah, that was much harder for me to accept gracefully just because he doesn't leave Isy for 3 years after they hook up. :/ I can come up with a number of reasons why that would be the case, but the initial awareness of it is something of a slap to the face. This alternate storyline with Garrus doesn't have that same undertone of insult to me.

As long as it's done well (which I think it will be) then I'll be more okay with it.  I get the impression that the romantic relationship is just starting at the very end of the game given the dialogue.  If so, then that makes more sense.  I'll just be a little miffed if Garrus makes the first move in this relationship because I hated that Femshep had to be the one to ask him first.  Maybe Femshep is just more intimidating in a "oh hell I definitely don't want to ever screw this up because I respect her so much" way.

Hmm, you know, the fact that Garrus says "there's no one I respect more in the galaxy than you" to Femshep makes me kind of sad for X because that would imply he respects her less than Femshep, or that's what I'm getting from it.

[Eradyn]

GodWood wrote...

Pacifien's blog contains all the info

Garrus was Walter's baby in ME1. In ME2 Weekes did all his non-mission dialogue.

So I was wrong.

Now that's useful, thanks!

Shifty-looking Chicken wrote...

I also hope that in
playthroughs where this pairing doesn't take place (like I said, most of
mine), the conversations and banter between the two don't suffer as a
result. Like they only talk to each other half as much because half
their written interactions were romance build-ups or something.

From what I read, it doesn't seem like it should.  Like I said, their hook up is really...ah...out there. =/ But I don't think their banter will suffer from Garrus being in a relationship with FemShep.

Modifié par Eradyn, 04 février 2012 - 02:50 .

[Shifty-looking Chicken]

SuranaMage wrote...

Hmm, you know, the fact that Garrus says "there's no one I respect more in the galaxy than you" to Femshep makes me kind of sad for X because that would imply he respects her less than Femshep, or that's what I'm getting from it.

That goes both ways, too, what with the "I don't trust anybody enough to X except you" that X says to Shepard. Which isn't even romance-specific, either.

Modifié par Shifty-looking Chicken, 04 février 2012 - 02:54 .

[Damate]

SuranaMage wrote...

shygravel wrote...

A huge part of what I enjoy in the Garrus romance is that it's a story about best friends discovering that what they need/want has been right there with them for a long while now (er, minus, you know... 2 years coming back from the dead. right). I was extremely fortunate to marry my best friend, so I have a definite connection to that kind of story arc. So in an alternate setting, I can accept this happening with Garrus and another squadmate, if the foundation of said reality is that Shep/Garrus never, ever happened. (...perish the thought!)

With Fenris... yeah, that was much harder for me to accept gracefully just because he doesn't leave Isy for 3 years after they hook up. :/ I can come up with a number of reasons why that would be the case, but the initial awareness of it is something of a slap to the face. This alternate storyline with Garrus doesn't have that same undertone of insult to me.

As long as it's done well (which I think it will be) then I'll be more okay with it.  I get the impression that the romantic relationship is just starting at the very end of the game given the dialogue.  If so, then that makes more sense.  I'll just be a little miffed if Garrus makes the first move in this relationship because I hated that Femshep had to be the one to ask him first.  Maybe Femshep is just more intimidating in a "oh hell I definitely don't want to ever screw this up because I respect her so much" way.

Hmm, you know, the fact that Garrus says "there's no one I respect more in the galaxy than you" to Femshep makes me kind of sad for X because that would imply he respects her less than Femshep, or that's what I'm getting from it.

I definitely understand what you mean, especially the bolded part. Though in most of the romances, your PC is the one who makes the first overture (which I get, given how much fire Bioware seems to come under if ever a players feels like a romance might be 'forced' on them), with Garrus it did feel a bit more like leading the horse to water (and my mind just went straight to hell in finishing that little cliche in my head ... boy did he drink! ). It was also endearing though, since onces he gets it that touch of eagerness slips into his voice. Again: Best friends opening their eyes/hearts.

As for the respect line, I think he only says that if you pursue the romance, right? So in a Garrus/X reality said line probably never happened, so don't feel sad!

[AdmiralCheez]

SuranaMage wrote...

Hmm, you know, the fact that Garrus says "there's no one I respect more in the galaxy than you" to Femshep makes me kind of sad for X because that would imply he respects her less than Femshep, or that's what I'm getting from it.

We all know that Garrus' respect for Shepard is astronomical.  However, X is certainly someone he trusts, respects, and cares about.

Let's say Garrus' respect for X is a million billion kajillion.  That is a ridiculous amount of respect, more than most people give and get in a lifetime.  But his respect for Shepard is infinite--he is incapable of respecting anyone more than her because it's a mathematical impossibility.

So while X can never eclipse Shepard in Garrus' eyes, she has more than enough of his respect to be happy, and hey, she's got infinte respect for Shepard as well.

[DarthEmpress]

shygravel wrote...

SuranaMage wrote...

shygravel wrote...

A huge part of what I enjoy in the Garrus romance is that it's a story about best friends discovering that what they need/want has been right there with them for a long while now (er, minus, you know... 2 years coming back from the dead. right). I was extremely fortunate to marry my best friend, so I have a definite connection to that kind of story arc. So in an alternate setting, I can accept this happening with Garrus and another squadmate, if the foundation of said reality is that Shep/Garrus never, ever happened. (...perish the thought!)

With Fenris... yeah, that was much harder for me to accept gracefully just because he doesn't leave Isy for 3 years after they hook up. :/ I can come up with a number of reasons why that would be the case, but the initial awareness of it is something of a slap to the face. This alternate storyline with Garrus doesn't have that same undertone of insult to me.

As long as it's done well (which I think it will be) then I'll be more okay with it.  I get the impression that the romantic relationship is just starting at the very end of the game given the dialogue.  If so, then that makes more sense.  I'll just be a little miffed if Garrus makes the first move in this relationship because I hated that Femshep had to be the one to ask him first.  Maybe Femshep is just more intimidating in a "oh hell I definitely don't want to ever screw this up because I respect her so much" way.

Hmm, you know, the fact that Garrus says "there's no one I respect more in the galaxy than you" to Femshep makes me kind of sad for X because that would imply he respects her less than Femshep, or that's what I'm getting from it.

I definitely understand what you mean, especially the bolded part. Though in most of the romances, your PC is the one who makes the first overture (which I get, given how much fire Bioware seems to come under if ever a players feels like a romance might be 'forced' on them), with Garrus it did feel a bit more like leading the horse to water (and my mind just went straight to hell in finishing that little cliche in my head ... boy did he drink! ). It was also endearing though, since onces he gets it that touch of eagerness slips into his voice. Again: Best friends opening their eyes/hearts.

As for the respect line, I think he only says that if you pursue the romance, right? So in a Garrus/X reality said line probably never happened, so don't feel sad!

You are right so it's all good!  No tears required 

I also think it's funny because both Garrus and X are the most nervous and awkward with their respective Shepards in romances so it's like by putting them together Mr. Weekes is combining all the powers of awkwardness and there may be an explosion of stuttering and bad mood music (you know, X did comment in ME1 that she liked the Flux music and wanted to get a copy of the song!  I bet she lent that music to Garrus when he goes to Femshep!).  The awkwardness is one reason why I thought it would never happen :3

[DarthEmpress]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

SuranaMage wrote...

Hmm, you know, the fact that Garrus says "there's no one I respect more in the galaxy than you" to Femshep makes me kind of sad for X because that would imply he respects her less than Femshep, or that's what I'm getting from it.

We all know that Garrus' respect for Shepard is astronomical.  However, X is certainly someone he trusts, respects, and cares about.

Let's say Garrus' respect for X is a million billion kajillion.  That is a ridiculous amount of respect, more than most people give and get in a lifetime.  But his respect for Shepard is infinite--he is incapable of respecting anyone more than her because it's a mathematical impossibility.

So while X can never eclipse Shepard in Garrus' eyes, she has more than enough of his respect to be happy, and hey, she's got infinte respect for Shepard as well.

 

I like how you worded that <3

[Eradyn]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

SuranaMage wrote...

Hmm, you know, the fact that Garrus says "there's no one I respect more in the galaxy than you" to Femshep makes me kind of sad for X because that would imply he respects her less than Femshep, or that's what I'm getting from it.

We all know that Garrus' respect for Shepard is astronomical.  However, X is certainly someone he trusts, respects, and cares about.

Let's say Garrus' respect for X is a million billion kajillion.  That is a ridiculous amount of respect, more than most people give and get in a lifetime.  But his respect for Shepard is infinite--he is incapable of respecting anyone more than her because it's a mathematical impossibility.

So while X can never eclipse Shepard in Garrus' eyes, she has more than enough of his respect to be happy, and hey, she's got infinte respect for Shepard as well.

Well, his respect for X might come in ME3, but I'd be incredibly hard-pressed to believe he had much, if any, respect for her leading up to ME3 considering their previous interactions.  That's where the disconnect comes for me.

[Shifty-looking Chicken]

SuranaMage wrote...

 (you know, X did comment in ME1 that she liked the Flux music and wanted to get a copy of the song!  I bet she lent that music to Garrus when he goes to Femshep!).

I have long thought that that was indeed what happened.

Also, I think that there's no point in saying "X" anymore, as it has now become painfully obvious who we're all talking about.

[DarthEmpress]

Eradyn wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

SuranaMage wrote...

Hmm, you know, the fact that Garrus says "there's no one I respect more in the galaxy than you" to Femshep makes me kind of sad for X because that would imply he respects her less than Femshep, or that's what I'm getting from it.

We all know that Garrus' respect for Shepard is astronomical.  However, X is certainly someone he trusts, respects, and cares about.

Let's say Garrus' respect for X is a million billion kajillion.  That is a ridiculous amount of respect, more than most people give and get in a lifetime.  But his respect for Shepard is infinite--he is incapable of respecting anyone more than her because it's a mathematical impossibility.

So while X can never eclipse Shepard in Garrus' eyes, she has more than enough of his respect to be happy, and hey, she's got infinte respect for Shepard as well.

Well, his respect for X might come in ME3, but I'd be incredibly hard-pressed to believe he had much, if any, respect for her leading up to ME3 considering their previous interactions.  That's where the disconnect comes for me.

I played ME2 first so I was wondering why she didn't like Garrus (just judging from the one convo they had) because I thought everyone said they were friends. Now I think she was just being snarky and not mean to him :3  I do think they are friends by the end of ME2, but I think before joining Shepard the second time around they weren't very close.  There's really not much to go on in ME2 beyond that one conversation they have.

[AdmiralCheez]

Eradyn wrote...

Well, his respect for X might come in ME3, but I'd be incredibly hard-pressed to believe he had much, if any, respect for her leading up to ME3 considering their previous interactions.  That's where the disconnect comes for me.

DISCLAIMER: Don't read this post if you don't want to know who X is.  I think I gave too many accidental hints.

Well, yeah, he was a COMPLETE jerk to X in ME1, but if the elevator conversations are to be believed, they soften up to each other a bit by the endgame.  Also, he and X were as close to bros with each other as possible in ME2, even moreso if quest orders hadn't been changed and lines hadn't been cut.  So it seems that Bioware intended to friend-ship them as much as the fandom does anyway.  And the fandom DOES friend-ship them pretty hardcore.

They became bestest bros in ME2 in my headcanon, anyway.

@SuranaMage: Thank yoooouuuu~

[Shifty-looking Chicken]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Also, he and X were as close to bros with each other as possible in ME2, even moreso if quest orders hadn't been changed and lines hadn't been cut.  So it seems that Bioware intended to friend-ship them as much as the fandom does anyway.  And the fandom DOES friend-ship them pretty hardcore.

Cut lines? I am intrigued.

[Damate]

Shifty-looking Chicken wrote...

SuranaMage wrote...

 (you know, X did comment in ME1 that she liked the Flux music and wanted to get a copy of the song!  I bet she lent that music to Garrus when he goes to Femshep!).

I have long thought that that was indeed what happened.

Also, I think that there's no point in saying "X" anymore, as it has now become painfully obvious who we're all talking about.

⌐.⌐ but it makes me feel super clandestine to use 'X' ¬.¬

[Eradyn]

SuranaMage wrote...

I played ME2 first so I was wondering why she didn't like Garrus (just judging from the one convo they had) because I thought everyone said they were friends. Now I think she was just being snarky and not mean to him :3  I do think they are friends by the end of ME2, but I think before joining Shepard the second time around they weren't very close.  There's really not much to go on in ME2 beyond that one conversation they have.

That might be because many liked both characters, and do not want to imagine two of their favorite characters might have been less than friendly toward one another.  Do a youtube search for ME1 Garrus and Tali elevator conversations.  Puts the ME2 conversation more into perspective.

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Eradyn wrote...

Well,
his respect for X might come in ME3, but I'd be incredibly hard-pressed
to believe he had much, if any, respect for her leading up to ME3
considering their previous interactions.  That's where the disconnect
comes for me.

DISCLAIMER: Don't read this post if you don't want to know who X is.  I think I gave too many accidental hints.

Well,
yeah, he was a COMPLETE jerk to X in ME1, but if the elevator
conversations are to be believed, they soften up to each other a bit by
the endgame.  Also, he and X were as close to bros with each other as
possible in ME2, even moreso if quest orders hadn't been changed and
lines hadn't been cut.  So it seems that Bioware intended to friend-ship
them as much as the fandom does anyway.  And the fandom
DOES friend-ship them pretty hardcore.

They became bestest bros in ME2 in my headcanon, anyway.

@SuranaMage: Thank yoooouuuu~

Maybe I missed some conversations; I know of the one where they're on the staircase in ME2, but it was still pretty nasty.  Are there others I'm missing? I don't recall there being ANY pleasant exchanges, much less friendly ones, in ME1 or ME2.  The fanbases' head-cannon friend-shipping aside.

Modifié par Eradyn, 04 février 2012 - 03:11 .

[AdmiralCheez]

ALSO, here's a random protip to anyone who wants to make friend-shippings in their ME1 headcanon: Stick with the same squadmates throughout the whole game, and be sure to take elevator rides after each main quest. The conversations they have actually change as the game goes on, with the most douchey ones flying loose in the early parts, and the "awww that's brotastic" stuff showing up near the end.

I have successfully made Ash best bros with Tali, Wrex best bros with Kaidan, and Garrus best bros with Liara, thanks to my absolute need to keep my squad balanced and get those damned ally achievements.

[k-baggs]

Shifty-looking Chicken wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Also, he and X were as close to bros with each other as possible in ME2, even moreso if quest orders hadn't been changed and lines hadn't been cut.  So it seems that Bioware intended to friend-ship them as much as the fandom does anyway.  And the fandom DOES friend-ship them pretty hardcore.

Cut lines? I am intrigued.

For one, see Garrus and X interact at 2:36 here:
Without modding, you can't bring X on Garrus' recruitment mission.

[AdmiralCheez]

Shifty-looking Chicken wrote...

Cut lines? I am intrigued.

Don't get too excited; there was hardly anything, and most of it was more "just like old times" spamming.

Garrus is a bit of a broken record in ME2.

[Damate]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
DISCLAIMER: Don't read this post if you don't want to know who X is.  I think I gave too many accidental hints.

Well, yeah, he was a COMPLETE jerk to X in ME1, but if the elevator conversations are to be believed, they soften up to each other a bit by the endgame.  Also, he and X were as close to bros with each other as possible in ME2, even moreso if quest orders hadn't been changed and lines hadn't been cut.  So it seems that Bioware intended to friend-ship them as much as the fandom does anyway.  And the fandom DOES friend-ship them pretty hardcore.

They became bestest bros in ME2 in my headcanon, anyway.

@SuranaMage: Thank yoooouuuu~

That's how it plays out in my headcanon, as well. I saw their ME2 banter as friendly snarking/ribbing. Comfortable enough to tease each other/have that 'ugh, go away' sibling attitude -- mind you, it totally felt like sibling interaction to me, not potential romance material, but I still definitely think of them as friendly in my headspace.

[Eradyn]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

ALSO, here's a random protip to anyone who wants to make friend-shippings in their ME1 headcanon: Stick with the same squadmates throughout the whole game, and be sure to take elevator rides after each main quest. The conversations they have actually change as the game goes on, with the most douchey ones flying loose in the early parts, and the "awww that's brotastic" stuff showing up near the end.

I have successfully made Ash best bros with Tali, Wrex best bros with Kaidan, and Garrus best bros with Liara, thanks to my absolute need to keep my squad balanced and get those damned ally achievements.

Maybe it didn't help that I always ran around with Wrex and Garrus...though those two didn't do much warming up either iirc.

Edit: Again? xD

Modifié par Eradyn, 04 février 2012 - 03:16 .