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[outmane]

shygravel wrote...

Eradyn wrote...

I can't say much more because I'd be crossing over into ME3 spoiler territory...but we're overblowing his whole "outcast" status.  He's really not the type of rebel some think he is...and he does very well for himself.  Anyway, I'll shut up now, but I think a lot of people will be pleasantly surprised at how BW has developed/revealed his character in ME3...I know I was pleasantly, er, pleased.

You know, references to Garrus being fairly young and inexperienced in ME1 kind of confused me for one reason: Why the hell would a rookie (or relative rookie) be asked to investigate Saren? Granted, he's told to back off and one gets the feeling the counsel didn't give the investigation all the attention/resources it merited, but all the same.... just not the kind of thing I thought you'd dole out to a young cop/investigator, still earning his stripes. <--- which is all to say I wouldn't be surprised to find out there's been more going on there than Bioware felt like/was able to divulge. I just hope new information is provided via great conversations/storyline and not just some background filler info we get 'Oh, hey, btw -- some things you never knew Garrus was up to!'  in a codex or something. *crosses fingers*

And with that random bit of rambling.... off to bed!

Thanks Eradyn, you reminded me he still matures in ME3. From ' Shep youre the only friend I have in the galaxy' to his status in ME3... well it makes more sense he settles with a nice Turian lady once the galaxy is saved (and he is done wasting time with Tali <_<)


About what Garrus is up to during ME well theres a nice fanfic that develops the idea that garrus might have been working for the Citadel in ME2. He staged his own recruitment mission to get on board with Shep and relay informations on Cerberus, The whole thing ties in pretty well with the fact that Garrus dont want to talk with Shep much, mainly because he doesnt want to lie to him/her. and it gives a twist to the romance and why he really wants to postpone 'blowing off steam'.

[Eradyn]

outmane wrote...

double post 
Lets jsut make it a ToP 

Hey, in the real world we can eat dextro just fine so...oh, dear, there goes my brain again.

outmane wrote...

shygravel wrote...

Eradyn wrote...

I can't say much more because I'd be crossing over into ME3 spoiler territory...but we're overblowing his whole "outcast" status.  He's really not the type of rebel some think he is...and he does very well for himself.  Anyway, I'll shut up now, but I think a lot of people will be pleasantly surprised at how BW has developed/revealed his character in ME3...I know I was pleasantly, er, pleased.

You know, references to Garrus being fairly young and inexperienced in ME1 kind of confused me for one reason: Why the hell would a rookie (or relative rookie) be asked to investigate Saren? Granted, he's told to back off and one gets the feeling the counsel didn't give the investigation all the attention/resources it merited, but all the same.... just not the kind of thing I thought you'd dole out to a young cop/investigator, still earning his stripes. <--- which is all to say I wouldn't be surprised to find out there's been more going on there than Bioware felt like/was able to divulge. I just hope new information is provided via great conversations/storyline and not just some background filler info we get 'Oh, hey, btw -- some things you never knew Garrus was up to!'  in a codex or something. *crosses fingers*

And with that random bit of rambling.... off to bed!

Thanks Eradyn, you reminded me he still matures in ME3. From ' Shep youre the only friend I have in the galaxy' to his status in ME3... well it makes more sense he settles with a nice Turian lady once the galaxy is saved (and he is done wasting time with Tali [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie])


About what Garrus is up to during ME well theres a nice fanfic that develops the idea that garrus might have been working for the Citadel in ME2. He staged his own recruitment mission to get on board with Shep and relay informations on Cerberus, The whole thing ties in pretty well with the fact that Garrus dont want to talk with Shep much, mainly because he doesnt want to lie to him/her. and it gives a twist to the romance and why he really wants to postpone 'blowing off steam'.

@Shygravel: I don't think there are any ingame references to Garrus' age.  We have to pretty much draw it from conjecture based on what we know of the game's lore and what makes sense logically. But you see in ME1 (and especially in ME3) that...Garrus can't be that young, and indeed it's never even mentioned or implied that he is, in the first game.  Indeed, as you stated, Garrus had to have had time to climb the ranks in C-Sec.  There's no way they're handing off an investigation on the Citadel's top Spectre to a rookie.  No way. 

Garrus had to be far enough up the chain of command, and have been there long enough to gain experience and a rep, to be given that responsibility, and he had to have had enough sway to even be able to make demands of those in the control tower regarding Dr. Saleon (and considering Executor Palin was the only one able to countermand him...yeah).  And that's not even considering the reality that turians remain on active duty status until the age of 30.  I know some like to brush that under the rug, but then you have to start going into head-canon territory.  For me, the only thing that makes sense is that he's over 30.  Probably well over 30.  Nailing down a number would be pure conjecture on my part, but considering what I read in the ME3 dialogue...I think there's something to the idea that Garrus is much older than some think he is.  He's been around the block a few times, he knows how the world works, and that's part of why he's so disgusted and disillusioned with politicians and red tape.  It's also why he decides to quit and sign on with Shepard, to actually get things done and see how those without the restraints of red tape get things done.  Not a sign of youth or naivete, just a sign of someone fed up with the system after working with it long enough.

I agree with you, though; I would love to see BW include something like that in a codex or, better yet, intertwine it with the game.  Maybe a "personnel record" or something that Shepard is given.  I can dream.

@Outmane: Sounds like an interesting idea for a fanfic; I'd read it.  And yeah, his status in ME3 and his interactions with Vega lead me to the conclusion that Garrus is rubbing, and has rubbed, shoulders with some powerful people (Shepard aside) and he's got some years on him.  How many years, I have no idea, but I love the idea of older!Garrus.

Modifié par Eradyn, 05 février 2012 - 04:21 .

[nitefyre410]

outmane wrote...

double post 


Lets jsut make it a ToP 


*snip*

 

Oh this is PRICELESS.  

Modifié par nitefyre410, 05 février 2012 - 04:18 .

[Damate]

outmane wrote...

About what Garrus is up to during ME well theres a nice fanfic that develops the idea that garrus might have been working for the Citadel in ME2. He staged his own recruitment mission to get on board with Shep and relay informations on Cerberus, The whole thing ties in pretty well with the fact that Garrus dont want to talk with Shep much, mainly because he doesnt want to lie to him/her. and it gives a twist to the romance and why he really wants to postpone 'blowing off steam'.

That does sound like an interesting fanfic -- any chance you might find me a link?

The concept is intriguing, but - to me - a stretch. I can't imagine Garrus getting his squad killed (or feigning the emotional struggle he went through after their death) for the sake of getting recruited under cover. But if the leaks are to be believed (mind you, I know very little about what all was leaked on this - I've only learned tidbits, mostly dialogue that implies the garrus romance will be culminated nicely) and Garrus does indeed gain some kind of prominent position, I do hope they give us enough background to explain why. I'm all on board with it, of course! And, as I said, I've always felt the idea of Garrus as rookie/full outcast/etc didn't really jive for me, but... yeah....

....okay, my thought process totally got derailed. Teaches me to try and write a coherent post before my first cup of coffee. Ima caffeinate myself.... /wanders off.

[Damate]

Eradyn wrote...

@Shygravel: I don't think there are any ingame references to Garrus' age.  We have to pretty much draw it from conjecture based on what we know of the game's lore and what makes sense logically. But you see in ME1 (and especially in ME3) that...Garrus can't be that young, and indeed it's never even mentioned or implied that he is, in the first game.  Indeed, as you stated, Garrus had to have had time to climb the ranks in C-Sec.  There's no way they're handing off an investigation on the Citadel's top Spectre to a rookie.  No way. 

Garrus had to be far enough up the chain of command, and have been there long enough to gain experience and a rep, to be given that responsibility, and he had to have had enough sway to even be able to make demands of those in the control tower regarding Dr. Saleon (and considering Executor Palin was the only one able to countermand him...yeah).  And that's not even considering the reality that turians remain on active duty status until the age of 30.  I know some like to brush that under the rug, but then you have to start going into head-canon territory.  For me, the only thing that makes sense is that he's over 30.  Probably well over 30.  Nailing down a number would be pure conjecture on my part, but considering what I read in the ME3 dialogue...I think there's something to the idea that Garrus is much older than some think he is.  He's been around the block a few times, he knows how the world works, and that's part of why he's so disgusted and disillusioned with politicians and red tape.  It's also why he decides to quit and sign on with Shepard, to actually get things done and see how those without the restraints of red tape get things done.  Not a sign of youth or naivete, just a sign of someone fed up with the system after working with it long enough.

I agree with you, though; I would love to see BW include something like that in a codex or, better yet, intertwine it with the game.  Maybe a "personnel record" or something that Shepard is given.  I can dream.

The age thing: Yeah, I've always been suspect of this 'he's younger than 30' stuff that floats around. Wasn't that largely propagated by a tweet or some such from one of the writers? If so I can understand why players have latched on to that idea. It just never made sense to me, so in my headcanon, he's older. Even if he was excused early from military service, pending work on C-Sec (something that in and of itself would indicate either a) His performance in the military was meritorious enough that he was given exception as a boon or he was shuttled away because of some desire to remove him from the Turian military ---> 'a' makes way more sense to me than 'b') it would still take time to work the ranks in C-Sec and gain the sort of experience that would have them turn to him for investigation of a Specter.

Disillusionment: Garrus being disillusioned with politics and red tape never struck me as a young mans rebelling against authority, but an older persons growing restless and tired of percieved failures and injustices in a system they were raised to believe in/strive for. An itching weariness rather than 'screw y'all, you can't tell me what to do anymore!'.

Has anyone here ever read Starship Troopers? Not the horrible movie (I mean, funny horrible, but horrible) but the book? My husband is a Marine and the book is on the USMC reading list, so he's a huge fan of it and insisted I read it as well. I bring this up because apparently the Turian military was modeled in part off Heinlein's military. The idea of military not just as defensive/offensive forces for a nation, but also encompassing civic duties most modern nations assign to the civilian sector. Heck, in Heinlein's world, one was not even able to attain full citizenship without undergoing military service --> it represented the height of civic worth. (and also fed the military machine, but I'm not here to discuss the real world political/moral implications! *nips that*) My point is that growing up in a society like that generally involves a great deal of indoctrination and propaganda: Some people eventually come to disagree with it. But it's engrained in the makeup and a lot of people who move beyond 'the hype' still hold onto the sense of duty/the basic moral blueprint from which the perceive the world. You even see this in modern military: I've known marines/soldiers/etc who were definitely fed up with certain aspects of the military/how things were handled - the politics, the red tape, etc. A myriad little things that seem to interfere with getting **** done the right way/to good results (sound familiar garrus fans?) -- but most of those people I've known/know still fundamentally believe in the core values they were taught, in the -idea- behind the reality.

^That's how Garrus has always come off to me. A self-proclaimed 'bad turian' -- struggling to bridge the gap between ideas(ideals) and reality and all the crap that goes wrong along the way. But still a product of the society he was raised in, the training he received and still fundamentally bonded to them even if he chooses unorthodox paths to follow.

....
<_<
If that made no sense, I've still only had one cup of coffee. Sorry for the 'wall.

[Eradyn]

shygravel wrote...

Eradyn wrote...

@Shygravel: I don't think there are any ingame references to Garrus' age.  We have to pretty much draw it from conjecture based on what we know of the game's lore and what makes sense logically. But you see in ME1 (and especially in ME3) that...Garrus can't be that young, and indeed it's never even mentioned or implied that he is, in the first game.  Indeed, as you stated, Garrus had to have had time to climb the ranks in C-Sec.  There's no way they're handing off an investigation on the Citadel's top Spectre to a rookie.  No way. 

Garrus had to be far enough up the chain of command, and have been there long enough to gain experience and a rep, to be given that responsibility, and he had to have had enough sway to even be able to make demands of those in the control tower regarding Dr. Saleon (and considering Executor Palin was the only one able to countermand him...yeah).  And that's not even considering the reality that turians remain on active duty status until the age of 30.  I know some like to brush that under the rug, but then you have to start going into head-canon territory.  For me, the only thing that makes sense is that he's over 30.  Probably well over 30.  Nailing down a number would be pure conjecture on my part, but considering what I read in the ME3 dialogue...I think there's something to the idea that Garrus is much older than some think he is.  He's been around the block a few times, he knows how the world works, and that's part of why he's so disgusted and disillusioned with politicians and red tape.  It's also why he decides to quit and sign on with Shepard, to actually get things done and see how those without the restraints of red tape get things done.  Not a sign of youth or naivete, just a sign of someone fed up with the system after working with it long enough.

I agree with you, though; I would love to see BW include something like that in a codex or, better yet, intertwine it with the game.  Maybe a "personnel record" or something that Shepard is given.  I can dream.

The age thing: Yeah, I've always been suspect of this 'he's younger than 30' stuff that floats around. Wasn't that largely propagated by a tweet or some such from one of the writers? If so I can understand why players have latched on to that idea. It just never made sense to me, so in my headcanon, he's older. Even if he was excused early from military service, pending work on C-Sec (something that in and of itself would indicate either a) His performance in the military was meritorious enough that he was given exception as a boon or he was shuttled away because of some desire to remove him from the Turian military ---> 'a' makes way more sense to me than 'b') it would still take time to work the ranks in C-Sec and gain the sort of experience that would have them turn to him for investigation of a Specter.

Disillusionment: Garrus being disillusioned with politics and red tape never struck me as a young mans rebelling against authority, but an older persons growing restless and tired of percieved failures and injustices in a system they were raised to believe in/strive for. An itching weariness rather than 'screw y'all, you can't tell me what to do anymore!'.

Has anyone here ever read Starship Troopers? Not the horrible movie (I mean, funny horrible, but horrible) but the book? My husband is a Marine and the book is on the USMC reading list, so he's a huge fan of it and insisted I read it as well. I bring this up because apparently the Turian military was modeled in part off Heinlein's military. The idea of military not just as defensive/offensive forces for a nation, but also encompassing civic duties most modern nations assign to the civilian sector. Heck, in Heinlein's world, one was not even able to attain full citizenship without undergoing military service --> it represented the height of civic worth. (and also fed the military machine, but I'm not here to discuss the real world political/moral implications! *nips that*) My point is that growing up in a society like that generally involves a great deal of indoctrination and propaganda: Some people eventually come to disagree with it. But it's engrained in the makeup and a lot of people who move beyond 'the hype' still hold onto the sense of duty/the basic moral blueprint from which the perceive the world. You even see this in modern military: I've known marines/soldiers/etc who were definitely fed up with certain aspects of the military/how things were handled - the politics, the red tape, etc. A myriad little things that seem to interfere with getting **** done the right way/to good results (sound familiar garrus fans?) -- but most of those people I've known/know still fundamentally believe in the core values they were taught, in the -idea- behind the reality.

^That's how Garrus has always come off to me. A self-proclaimed 'bad turian' -- struggling to bridge the gap between ideas(ideals) and reality and all the crap that goes wrong along the way. But still a product of the society he was raised in, the training he received and still fundamentally bonded to them even if he chooses unorthodox paths to follow.

....
<_<
If that made no sense, I've still only had one cup of coffee. Sorry for the 'wall.

No, that makes perfect sense, so don't worry about being under-caffeinated. I think too much stock is placed on that one tweet or post or whatever, because it was definitely just that individual's personal opinion/feeling/sense regarding earlier internal discussions, of which Garrus' age was not a subject of much focus or care.  I don't think, vaguely recalling that comment, that it was meant to be taken as canon considering all their disclaimers regarding the comment itself.  Regardless what might have happened internally in the long-ago of BW's history of office discussions, BW took the turian people in a particular direction and made Garrus into the person he's ended up being.  And you know what? I like the person Garrus has ended up being, so I'm definitely not complaining.

Modifié par Eradyn, 05 février 2012 - 06:18 .

[outmane]

shygravel wrote...

^That's how Garrus has always come off to me. A self-proclaimed 'bad turian' -- struggling to bridge the gap between ideas(ideals) and reality and all the crap that goes wrong along the way. But still a product of the society he was raised in, the training he received and still fundamentally bonded to them even if he chooses unorthodox paths to follow.

You put it so well !
For an ouside onlooker Garrus is just as turian as Turians can be in many areas. Its Garrus who sees himself as different. It ties in with him beeing so idealitic and seeing things as either black or white 


I wish I had the name of the fanfic but its been many months since I read it. sorry 
As you said, its a stretch but the writer transformed a few dialogues. Obviously Garrus isnt sad about his team since it was all a cover story but his genuinely torned up by having to lie to Shep so thats where his emotion comes from. Its jsut a nice parallel idea and it explores the trust between Garrus and Shepar and their loyalty to their ideals.


I began to think about how we always hoped for a more mature Garrus for ME3. Well if it is the path taken by the writers and Garrus gets a new status then he might end up being more mature then soem of my full blown renegade Sheps. The ones who dont want to have anything to do with either the Alliance or Cerberus and that I see as turning into vigilante/information broker/merc once they are done with saving the sorry ass of the galaxy.

To think Garrus could teach some patience and good sense to Shep by ME3... wow what an idea 

Why cant this game be out already!

[Kashoo]

Can someone PM me the leaked dialogue goodies?

[Billabong2011]

Regarding the age thing -- I'm not really arguing for either side, but I would like to point out that in lieu of 'military service' turians can also be put in society-serving positions, such as police officers or guards or what have you. Here--

Turians are noted for their strong sense of public service. It is rare to find one who puts his needs ahead of the group. Every citizen from age 15 to 30 serves the state in some capacity, as anything from a soldier to an administrator, from a construction engineer to a sanitation worker. Turians have a strong inclination toward public service and self-sacrifice, so they tend to be poor entrepreneurs.

Here
first paragraph under "Culture" (straight from the codex)

We know Garrus was in the military, but he didn't have to serve until he was 30. Joining C-Sec could have been some form of public service. Not that Garrus isn't older -- the working his way up through C-Sec ranks is a testament to his potential age -- but it IS possible for him to be younger as well.

Modifié par Billabong2011, 05 février 2012 - 07:17 .

[LilyasAvalon]

Chewin3 wrote...

SgtPepper667 wrote...

<--- Check that out. :3


He looks so good in ME3!

That one is cute, Peppar. It certainly is an attention stealer.


And as for team dextro threesome, wouldn't that be kinda dangerous? With their different anatomy and all? Or does that make it even more exciting?

Don't ruin my fantasies with your logic! 

[Damate]

Eradyn wrote...
No, that makes perfect sense, so don't worry about being under-caffeinated. I think too much stock is placed on that one tweet or post or whatever, because it was definitely just that individual's personal opinion/feeling/sense regarding earlier internal discussions, of which Garrus age was not a subject of much focus or care.  I don't think, vaguely recalling that comment, that it was meant to be taken as canon considering all their disclaimers regarding the comment itself.  Regardless what might have happened internally in the long-ago of BW's history of office discussions, BW took the turian people in a particular direction and made Garrus into the person he's ended up being.  And you know what? I like the person Garrus has ended up being, so I'm definitely not complaining.

^ Agreed. Hell, the quote we're referencing is right on the OP of this thread: "I don't think there IS a canonical answer, but the intent was always
that he was a relatively inexperienced C-Sec officer who had enough
experience under his belt to be frustrated with the system. I'd
definitely say under 30, provided that works in terms of turian
training." -- Patrick Weekes (I'm laughing at myself because I just spent a while scouring other sources for the quote and it was here all along ) So I can see where many players get the impression he started off fairly young/younger than Shep. And if the writers intended him to be 'relatively inexperienced' in C-Sec, it's all well and good, it just never made much sense to me given who Garrus was investigating when we first meet him. But I agree: It's also entirely possible that original thoughts in BW developed as the game progressed. I'd be shocked if that wasn't the case, really.

outmane wrote...

Why cant this game be out already!

30 days to go, not counting today!
And did my family laugh at me for making my own little countdown calendar posted on the wall behind my desk?
<_<
Why yes, yes they did.

Billabong2011 wrote...

Regarding the age thing -- I'm not
really arguing for either side, but I would like to point out that in
lieu of 'military service' turians can also be put in society-serving
positions, such as police officers or guards or what have you. Here--

*snip*

We
know Garrus was in the military, but he didn't have to serve until he
was 30. Joining C-Sec could have been some form of public service. Not
that Garrus isn't older -- the working his way up through C-Sec ranks is
a testament to his potential age -- but it IS possible for him to be
younger as well.

Oh, agreed. It's entirely possible that he is in his late 20's or so - or started the game that way - I'm not saying it isn't. Not being privy to the thoughts/discussions of BW staff, how should I know? I think I'm less arguing the number than the idea of his being a naive rookie as I've seen some people portray him.

[DarthEmpress]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Chewin3 wrote...

SgtPepper667 wrote...

<--- Check that out. :3


He looks so good in ME3!

That one is cute, Peppar. It certainly is an attention stealer.


And as for team dextro threesome, wouldn't that be kinda dangerous? With their different anatomy and all? Or does that make it even more exciting?

Don't ruin my fantasies with your logic! 

The only thing dangerous would be Tali getting a disease from Garrus since they're both Dextros...other than that I think they can all three have a healthy threesome 

And I always thought Garrus was at least two years younger than Shepard, just in my headcanon at least   So I think that would make him 29 in ME2?  Which sort of fits.

Does anyone know how long after ME2 the next game starts?  I thought I heard something like it was several months after the suicide mission...I'd like to know when Shepard was taken in and when she and Garrus had to leave each other 

[Eradyn]

Billabong2011 wrote...

Regarding the age thing -- I'm not really arguing for either side, but I would like to point out that in lieu of 'military service' turians can also be put in society-serving positions, such as police officers or guards or what have you. Here--

Turians are noted for their strong sense of public service. It is rare to find one who puts his needs ahead of the group. Every citizen from age 15 to 30 serves the state in some capacity, as anything from a soldier to an administrator, from a construction engineer to a sanitation worker. Turians have a strong inclination toward public service and self-sacrifice, so they tend to be poor entrepreneurs.

Here
first paragraph under "Culture" (straight from the codex)

We know Garrus was in the military, but he didn't have to serve until he was 30. Joining C-Sec could have been some form of public service. Not that Garrus isn't older -- the working his way up through C-Sec ranks is a testament to his potential age -- but it IS possible for him to be younger as well.

Even those not serving direct combat roles are still serving in the turian military.  Their military's responsibilities encompass many services we are used to ascribing to civilian roles.  C-Sec is outside the jurisdiction of the Hierarchy and is strictly a Citadel police force, so I wouldn't think that would count (not to mention the conditions for joining C-Sec; it's a prestigous and "earned" position after having experience in other fields unless you have the recommendation of a powerful political figure).

shygravel wrote...

^ Agreed. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]
Hell, the quote we're referencing is right on the OP of this thread: "I
don't think there IS a canonical answer, but the intent was always
that he was a relatively inexperienced C-Sec officer who had enough
experience under his belt to be frustrated with the system. I'd
definitely say under 30, provided that works in terms of turian
training."
-- Patrick Weekes (I'm laughing at myself because I just spent a while
scouring other sources for the quote and it was here all along [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie])
So I can see where many players get the impression he started off
fairly young/younger than Shep. And if the writers intended him to be
'relatively inexperienced' in C-Sec, it's all well and good, it just
never made much sense to me given who Garrus was investigating when we
first meet him. But I agree: It's also entirely possible that original
thoughts in BW developed as the game progressed. I'd be shocked if that wasn't the case, really.

Yep, that's the quote! Lol, don't worry, I missed it on the OP, too! It seems people keep forgetting that caveat at the very end, however, "provided that works in terms of turian training."  I'm thinking stuff just changed as they further designed Garrus (and turians in general), in light of what we know of turian society and the Hierarchy.  Considering the leaked script, I'm more confident of that.  But really it isn't unusual for things to change in development all the time, and it isn't canon until the disc goes to press.  They might have intended one thing in the beginning then changed their minds as they further developed the game's lore and the character.  Garrus wasn't even a "main character" in their minds until after they got swamped by his unexpected popularity, after all, so they probably didn't spend much time considering it until relatively recently (ME2/ME3 recently, that is).

Modifié par Eradyn, 05 février 2012 - 08:30 .

[SgtPepper667]

Chewin3 wrote...

SgtPepper667 wrote...

<--- Check that out. :3


He looks so good in ME3!

That one is cute, Peppar. It certainly is an attention stealer.


And as for team dextro threesome, wouldn't that be kinda dangerous? With their different anatomy and all? Or does that make it even more exciting?

Thanks, Chewin!  I can't stop staring at it. LOL

For the threesome...I say BRING IT ON.

[Damate]

SuranaMage wrote...

Does anyone know how long after ME2 the next game starts?  I thought I heard something like it was several months after the suicide mission...I'd like to know when Shepard was taken in and when she and Garrus had to leave each other 

"The story will take place 2 months after Arrival"
That's from the 'Known Features' thread here on the forums. Though I'd imagine that timeline makes the most sense if one plays Arrival after the Omega 4 run? Dunno.

That said, I'd really love it if the game provided some sense of what all went on between Shep and crew/LI's between the games? Buuuut... they didn't between ME1 and ME2, so I'm kind of not expecting it for ME3. I'd love it, but I don't see it happening. But that's where our imaginations are allowed to run free, yes?

Eradyn wrote...
Yep, that's the quote! Lol, don't worry, I missed it on the OP, too! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]
It seems people keep forgetting that caveat at the very end, however,
"provided that works in terms of turian training."  I'm thinking stuff
just changed as they further designed Garrus (and turians in general),
in light of what we know of turian society and the Hierarchy. 
Considering the leaked script, I'm more confident of that.  But really
it isn't unusual for things to change in development all the time, and
it isn't canon until the disc goes to press.  They might have intended
one thing in the beginning then changed their minds as they further
developed the game's lore and the character.  Garrus wasn't even a "main
character" in their minds until after they got swamped by his
unexpected popularity, after all, so they probably didn't spend much
time considering it until relatively recently (ME2/ME3 recently, that
is).

Eradyn, it's like your in my mind sometimes.
But yeah, characters develop and grow (or should) from when they are first created. Given ME's medium and Bioware's liking to take some direction/ideas from the fanbase, I think it's entirely appropriate to acknowledge that many of the characters in the story underwent lots of changes/rehashes in the office before the games final release.
Ultimately I just can't wait to see what they've done with my favourite Turian.

[Eradyn]

shygravel wrote...

Eradyn wrote...
Yep, that's the quote! Lol, don't worry, I missed it on the OP, too! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]
It seems people keep forgetting that caveat at the very end, however,
"provided that works in terms of turian training."  I'm thinking stuff
just changed as they further designed Garrus (and turians in general),
in light of what we know of turian society and the Hierarchy. 
Considering the leaked script, I'm more confident of that.  But really
it isn't unusual for things to change in development all the time, and
it isn't canon until the disc goes to press.  They might have intended
one thing in the beginning then changed their minds as they further
developed the game's lore and the character.  Garrus wasn't even a "main
character" in their minds until after they got swamped by his
unexpected popularity, after all, so they probably didn't spend much
time considering it until relatively recently (ME2/ME3 recently, that
is).

Eradyn, it's like your in my mind sometimes.
But yeah, characters develop and grow (or should) from when they are first created. Given ME's medium and Bioware's liking to take some direction/ideas from the fanbase, I think it's entirely appropriate to acknowledge that many of the characters in the story underwent lots of changes/rehashes in the office before the games final release.
Ultimately I just can't wait to see what they've done with my favourite Turian.

Oh, wow, you have no idea--wait, scratch that, I think most people in this thread do...yeah, it's really, really tough waiting for ME3.  I've imagined a hundred different ways the scenes with Garrus might go and all of them leave me squeeing with joy.  I can't wait to see the final product!

[SgtPepper667]

Eradyn wrote...

Oh, wow, you have no idea--wait, scratch that, I think most people in this thread do...yeah, it's really, really tough waiting for ME3.  I've imagined a hundred different ways the scenes with Garrus might go and all of them leave me squeeing with joy.  I can't wait to see the final product!

You and me both! One month is STILL too long! D:

[LilyasAvalon]

...only two months after Arrival? Huh. Thought it'd be at least six, Depending on whether or not Shepard is still/actually on trial or not.

Modifié par LilyasAvalon, 05 février 2012 - 08:40 .

[outmane]

Maybe theres more more time between the SM and Arrival then ?

I have to say the timeline is a bit dready to me too.

[MissMaster]

SgtPepper667 wrote...

<--- Check that out. :3


He looks so good in ME3!

Wait what?

Edit: Never mind your avi did not chance for a while for me lol.

He looks good, I like that he took is bandage off. Speaking about his age I always imaginge that he is only one year younger then Shep.

Modifié par MissMaster, 05 février 2012 - 08:55 .

[Eradyn]

MissMaster wrote...

SgtPepper667 wrote...

<--- Check that out. :3


He looks so good in ME3!

Wait what?

Yeah, I can't read/hear what they're saying either over Garrus' moving mouth. *stares at dreamily*

[MissMaster]

Eradyn wrote...

MissMaster wrote...

SgtPepper667 wrote...

<--- Check that out. :3


He looks so good in ME3!

Wait what?

Yeah, I can't read/hear what they're saying either over Garrus' moving mouth. *stares at dreamily*

Lol for some reason her avi did not change for a while for me. I was so confused!

[SgtPepper667]

Eradyn wrote...

MissMaster wrote...

SgtPepper667 wrote...

<--- Check that out. :3


He looks so good in ME3!

Wait what?

Yeah, I can't read/hear what they're saying either over Garrus' moving mouth. *stares at dreamily*

I'm sorry, did you say something? *drool* XD

[Damate]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

...only two months after Arrival? Huh. Thought it'd be at least six, Depending on whether or not Shepard is still/actually on trial or not.

Also from the 'Known Features' thread:
"ME3
will start with Shepard's trial on Earth, and as Earth is being
attacked in the middle of it, Shepard will have to escape and gather
allies."

Given the events of Arrival, I'm not surprised that the trial starts sooner rather than later -- kind of a high priority incident, especially if the Alliance is scrambling to find a scapegoat. Ah, how fickle we are to our heroes.

I don't know how much time happens between the SM and Arrival though, if that's the order you play it in. Given ME3's main game ends with extensive repairs being done on the Normandy... and things are ship-shape when you start new DLCs after the fact, I'd say probably a few months at least?

So, yeah, probably plenty of time there for us to wonder what might have happened between Shep and the Crew/LI's in the meantime... but I doubt we'll ge it.

/kicks a pebble