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[Eradyn]

SgtPepper667 wrote...

Hehehe



EDIT: Oh man. ME3 armor.

Oh man, indeed. <3

SgtPepper667 wrote...

I cannot wait to look at that page in the real art book! :3 *totally pre-ordered it from Amazon*

Oh, if you preorder it from Barnes & Noble, you get a DLC code.  Yeah, I know, *more* DLC stuff...but...it's there...

Just the Collector's gun for ME3's multiplayer, so if you plan on doing that, it's worth considering.

Modifié par Eradyn, 06 février 2012 - 04:15 .

[mellifera]

Yeah, I don't necessarily think there isn't any sort of carapace or collar sort of thing going on with their anatomy, but the armor definitely exaggerates the look. I'm inclined to think that the body shape in casual clothing (such as what Garrus wears when he goes to Shepard's cabin) is what their actual anatomical structure resembles.


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[Eradyn]

yukidama wrote...

Yeah, I don't necessarily think there isn't any sort of carapace or collar sort of thing going on with their anatomy, but the armor definitely exaggerates the look. I'm inclined to think that the body shape in casual clothing (such as what Garrus wears when he goes to Shepard's cabin) is what their actual anatomical structure resembles.

Although that still may just be a functional design (or men's fashion) considering they could probably still use the protection what with their fringes.  I mean, get knocked on your ass, the last thing you want is to risk getting scalped because you rammed the back of your fringe into the wall...or ground.  Okay, just thinking about that gives me the willies. *shivers*

And, of course, to protect others who are walking behind you.  "Gonna stab your eye out, kid!"

If there's anything there, biologically, I can't imagine it would be very pronounced considering how extensive that armor damage is (and you can see how far down, flush against the skin, those armor collars go).

I can imagine there are some pretty awesome scales/plates under there, though.  We definitely need to have BW confirm this for us.  Preferably visually.  For science, of course. Right? Right.

Modifié par Eradyn, 06 février 2012 - 04:20 .

[k-baggs]

I'd be fine with Garrus basically being shaped like his casuals or a little less bulky than that. His ME2 armor is heavy, though, and does make him look bigger than I think he is.  Maybe his civvies do the same.  There's a hole right through the front AND back of his armor. So does he have holes in his carapace too? I tend to think not, that the carapace wouldn't actually be that tall.

edit: YES FOR SCIENCE

Modifié par k-baggs, 06 février 2012 - 04:22 .

[Eradyn]

k-baggs wrote...

I'd be fine with Garrus basically being shaped like his casuals or a little less bulky than that. His ME2 armor is heavy, though, and does make him look bigger than I think he is.  Maybe his civvies do the same.  There's a hole right through the front AND back. So does he have holes in his carapace too? I tend to think not, that the carapace wouldn't actually be that tall.

And this, too.  Hey, maybe turian women think it looks sexy on their men...all big and buff and all...I mean, they aren't the only ones... *drools over Garrus in his armor*

[k-baggs]

Oh man, if you were a turian and you got your carapace busted apart or your fringe snapped off, would it eventually grow back, like if it's made of keratin? Or would you look messed up forever? D:

[mellifera]

Well maybe he does have some damage on that part of his body too... But yeah I am not saying it is definitely what their body shape looks like, as much as it is likely to resemble that shape/size a lot closer. Even if it is padded or whatever, I can't see it not at least following some sort of basic body shape. I am just more likely to believe that the basic form is reflected in the outfit rather than there not being any sort of carapace/collar at all.

Modifié par yukidama, 06 février 2012 - 04:26 .

[DarthEmpress]

Eradyn wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Yeah, I don't necessarily think there isn't any sort of carapace or collar sort of thing going on with their anatomy, but the armor definitely exaggerates the look. I'm inclined to think that the body shape in casual clothing (such as what Garrus wears when he goes to Shepard's cabin) is what their actual anatomical structure resembles.

Although that still may just be a functional design (or men's fashion) considering they could probably still use the protection what with their fringes.  I mean, get knocked on your ass, the last thing you want is to risk getting scalped because you rammed the back of your fringe into the wall...or ground.  Okay, just thinking about that gives me the willies. *shivers*

And, of course, to protect others who are walking behind you.  "Gonna stab your eye out, kid!"

If there's anything there, biologically, I can't imagine it would be very pronounced considering how extensive that armor damage is (and you can see how far down, flush against the skin, those armor collars go).

I can imagine there are some pretty awesome scales/plates under there, though.  We definitely need to have BW confirm this for us.  Preferably visually.  For science, of course. Right? Right.

I've seen some other Turians in game wearing casual clothes with a lot less "bulk" than Garrus so I'm thinking either every Turian is different or it is indeed a fashion statement.  I do like how the bulkiness makes Garrus look bigger in the chest area because I love it when it looks like guys can wrap you up in a bear hug [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/heart.png[/smilie]  But I think with a less pronounced carapace the hugs will be easier along with the cuddling.

I still wonder how Garrus sleeps on the bed...when he's laying down with Femshep in that one scene his fringe is poking through the bed   Maybe Turians have special beds or their fringe is bendable?

[k-baggs]

lol at the mental image of Garrus peeling off his shirt and it's still shaped like a hoop because there's underwire in it

lol again at the thought of the blue ribbed collar part being a dickey

[ciaweth]

I've decided that turians wear the equivalent of a water bra under there.

[Eradyn]

k-baggs wrote...

Oh man, if you were a turian and you got your carapace busted apart or your fringe snapped off, would it eventually grow back, like if it's made of keratin? Or would you look messed up forever? D:

I have no idea.  I'm trying to remember if I ever saw a turian with a messed up fringe.  I know some look like they "file" theirs down, whereas others keep theirs sharp and pointy (yes, I do pay attention to these things *shifty gaze* for science *cough*).  Don't know if that was ME1/ME2 or what.

So maybe they are like keratin/nails/hair (think rhino horns)? They keep growing to a certain point? (pun, lol) Maybe if one got snapped off, it could regrow? Assuming damage is minimal.  It looks like they grow from those forehead plates, so maybe if you keep those from tearing off...but then if it's snapped off, that's like getting scalped...

I have no idea.  But that's one thing Garrus should *not* contribute to science! *shudders*

SuranaMage wrote...

I've seen some other Turians in game
wearing casual clothes with a lot less "bulk" than Garrus so I'm
thinking either every Turian is different or it is indeed a fashion
statement.  I do like how the bulkiness makes Garrus look bigger in the
chest area because I love it when it looks like guys can wrap you up in a
bear hug [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/heart.png[/smilie]  But I think with a less pronounced carapace the hugs will be easier along with the cuddling.

I
still wonder how Garrus sleeps on the bed...when he's laying down with
Femshep in that one scene his fringe is poking through the bed [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]  Maybe Turians have special beds or their fringe is bendable?

Oh, turians definitely have that masculine design going for them.  And I like it. Narrow waist, beefy chests.  It's a primal thing hardwired into our brains, but their design is a "manly man" one.  And Garrus would go for big and bulky, wouldn't he.

As for beds...well, I recall devs stating that turians slept in normal beds.  So it would probably have to have something to do with a specialized "turian pillow" or they sleep with their heads turned to the side.  Or they sleep on their sides/stomach.  Or maybe their fringes really are flexible...though the idea of bending them also gives me the willies. xD If they were...flexible...it seems they'd be pretty tough to flex, since they're fairly thick looking.

...Okay, that sentence can go horrible places.

Modifié par Eradyn, 06 février 2012 - 04:34 .

[mellifera]

See, this is what I meant. Not that the casual outfit Garrus wears is completely indicative of the shape and totally accurate, but that there's enough of a pattern to establish that there *is* something there as opposed to just a completely smooth, more humanesque body.

[k-baggs]

Yeahh, that outfit. I always focused on the cute bonnet, but the carapace shape does look different?

And I've noticed a couple of different fringe lengths (besides Saren's long cheek things), Garrus' long one and a shorter, curlier one - like the "you humans are all racist" guy. I chalked it up to individual differences, like the game modelers made maybe a couple slightly different bodies, and maybe carapace/shell/back plate size varies too.

Garrus' underwear: briefs, boxers, or absent?

Modifié par k-baggs, 06 février 2012 - 04:37 .

[Eradyn]

yukidama wrote...


See, this is what I meant. Not that the casual outfit Garrus wears is completely indicative of the shape and totally accurate, but that there's enough of a pattern to establish that there *is* something there as opposed to just a completely smooth, more humanesque body.

Don't forget: fringe protection/fashion.  But I do think they definitely need to have some plating/scales along their back, to flow with the back of their necks.  That just makes sense to me.  A huge collar/carapace/whatever...that I don't think is the case, or at least is unlikely.

k-baggs wrote...

Garrus' underwear: briefs, boxers, or absent?

By himself? Doesn't matter.  With Shepard? Doesn't matter either, because "absent."  Always.

Modifié par Eradyn, 06 février 2012 - 04:36 .

[ciaweth]

k-baggs wrote...

Garrus' underwear: briefs, boxers, or absent?

Mankini.

[DarthEmpress]

Eradyn wrote...

k-baggs wrote...

Garrus' underwear: briefs, boxers, or absent?

By himself? Doesn't matter.  With Shepard? Doesn't matter either, because "absent."  Always.

I always wondered...do some of the aliens even wear underwear, like it's a cultural thing not to?  Maybe Garrus is always going commando style 

[mellifera]

Oh, I am not discounting the fashion part. But what's to say that the back carapace thingy didn't evolve to accommodate the fringe as well? It is definitely exaggerated through armor and fashion but I just don't think there's *nothing* there either. Though who knows with BioWare, they can't cement Asari biology yet (or make something that doesn't just raise a thousand more questions) and they are infinitely more invested in them than turians, lol. Maybe the artbook will have some sort of accurate info once it is released so that we can end the years of speculation on something so simple, haha.

[Eradyn]

ciaweth wrote...

k-baggs wrote...

Garrus' underwear: briefs, boxers, or absent?

Mankini.

...OHGODMYBRAIN

*dies cackling*

yukidama wrote...

Oh, I am not discounting the fashion
part. But what's to say that the back carapace thingy didn't evolve to
accommodate the fringe as well? It is definitely exaggerated through
armor and fashion but I just don't think there's *nothing* there either.
Though who knows with BioWare, they can't cement Asari biology yet (or
make something that doesn't just raise a thousand more questions) and
they are infinitely more invested in them than turians, lol. Maybe the
artbook will have some sort of accurate info once it is released so that
we can end the years of speculation on something so simple,
haha.

Main reason I discount the idea of a carapace now is because of the armor design itself.  It does not afford room for such a carapace (and upon studying the ME3 armor design and the ME2 battle-damaged design, you see that it's all armor and not carapace as it sits flush to the skin), and indeed what we can see of Garrus shows there can't be any real "carapace" there.  We do know, however, that turians have thick plates/scales running down the back of their necks.  I think it logical to assume it would continue down their backs, most probably larger and thicker before starting to become smaller and thinner closer toward the rump.  This might account for the "flow" and the extension in their fashion, which might exaggerate certain qualities as well as providing more functionality (yay, no more eye-gouging/skull scalping!).  After all, our clothing tends to follow such a trend to make up for our evolutionary shortcomings (or just to be a fashion statement). 

But please, don't mistaken me for wishing for there to be nothing.  I *shudders* can't stand the thought of a smooth, human-ish body under there...a turian head slapped onto a human body.  Just the idea is...yeah...no.  I just think that "something" is more in line with scales/plates and less in line with a jutting carapace, considering what we've seen up to this point.

Modifié par Eradyn, 06 février 2012 - 04:49 .

[k-baggs]

BioWare actually has a nakedish turian model which you can see here at 1:24: http://www.gameinfor...ing-garrus.aspx

Derek Watts does say it's from a long time ago, when they were making ME1. It has a carapace there, but whether they'd still go with that idea now or move onto something else, I don't know. Garrus' ME3 armor does look thinner, like it wouldn't contain a carapace that's as tall as that. There's a closer look at the face a little later in the video and you can tell it really is an early model: the nose sticks out more, there's no neck plates yet, etc.

Modifié par k-baggs, 06 février 2012 - 04:50 .

[Eradyn]

k-baggs wrote...

BioWare actually has a nakedish turian model which you can see here at 1:24: http://www.gameinfor...ing-garrus.aspx

Derek Watts does say it's from a long time ago, when they were making ME1. It has a carapace there, but whether they'd still go with that idea now or move onto something else, I don't know. Garrus' ME3 armor does look thinner, like it wouldn't contain a carapace that's as tall as it is. There's a closer look at the face a little later in the video and you can tell it really is an early model: the nose sticks out more, there's no neck plates yet, etc.

If you're talkin' the naked turian, that's actually the very, very old Saren concept art.  Obviously things changed between then and ME1...and definitely by ME2/ME3.

I'm thinking their design evolved and BW just pulled what qualities they wanted, reflected some of the earlier design into their armor, and they looked at naked turian bodies and said, "screw this, let's just slap armor on them.  It's easier." xD

Modifié par Eradyn, 06 février 2012 - 04:52 .

[k-baggs]

Yeah, that art's ancient at this point.

Please, BioWare, keep the pointy hips though?

Wait, did you mean the illustrated naked turian or the 3D model of it?  Both are pretty old, and could be different by now.  I still dig them, but you can tell how some things have changed over time.

Modifié par k-baggs, 06 février 2012 - 04:53 .

[mellifera]

Yeah, I guess. I mean, there is definitely precedent considering how salarians have that sort of... chest handle thing on some of their outfits when it isn't an anatomical feature. A lot of it is probably my reluctance for there to be nothing there, when things start to get too close to human-shaped is where the creepiness begins, lmfao. I really wish BioWare had clarified stuff like this ages ago, it just seems like such simple world building. Then again they probably don't bother because a vast majority of people don't care, haha.

[Eradyn]

k-baggs wrote...

Yeah, that art's ancient at this point.

Please, BioWare, keep the pointy hips though?

Wait, did you mean the illustrated naked turian or the 3D model of it?  Both are pretty old, and could be different by now.  I still dig them, but you can tell how some things have changed over time.

Yeah, they're old, though I primarily meant the illustration.  Saren was going to be a one-off creature...then BW decided they'd make a pretty awesome species (smart move on BW's part, no lie ;p).

I think turian hips have undergone a bit of a...revision across the three games, though.  Or maybe it's a difference in the graphical fidelity of subsequent games creating the illusion of change.  Dunno.  But you can tell how Garrus' hips look pointier in ME1, then less so in ME2.

Then you look at the ME3 art for him...and while the hips/thighs are wider than human-normal, you can tell by following the lines of his body (you can't count the armor plating, you more have to follow the flow from the cloth bits beneath them), you can see that there's some tightening in/streamlining so they aren't quite as "jutting."  A good thing from a physiological perspective, because otherwise...ouch.  Their knees would be in pretty bad shape.

yukidama wrote...

Yeah, I guess. I mean, there is
definitely precedent considering how salarians have that sort of...
chest handle thing on some of their outfits when it isn't an anatomical
feature. A lot of it is probably my reluctance for there to be nothing
there, when things start to get too close to human-shaped is where the
creepiness begins, lmfao. I really wish BioWare had clarified stuff like
this ages ago, it just seems like such simple world building. Then
again they probably don't bother because a vast majority of people don't
care, haha.

Oh, I can understand the reluctance.  Believe me.  I want shirtless Garrus badly...but not so badly as to find out he's a turian head slapped onto some human dude's body.  I do think BW wouldn't fail us there, though.  I think they would still put the scales and plates and stuff.  And judging by their chests, they might have some epic draconic plating going on there.  And that's my fantasy and I'm sticking to it.

And yeah, I'm thinking BW just...underestimated fan demand.  I mean...Garrus wasn't even that big of a deal to them.  Hell, turians in general started off numbered at one! They were just going to have Saren...then they decided to have them be a whole species populating the universe.  And Garrus was just a minor character off to the side.  And then...fans happened.  And now BW is having to catch up to meet this rampant, unexpected fan demand for MOAR TURIANS.

Remember, BW.  Science. It's aaaall for science. :innocent:

Modifié par Eradyn, 06 février 2012 - 05:03 .

[k-baggs]

yukidama wrote...

 A lot of it is probably my reluctance for there to be nothing there, when things start to get too close to human-shaped is where the creepiness begins, lmfao.

Yep, agreed.

[k-baggs]

Obviously the best way for BioWare to answer all our questions about turian anatomy would be to put in a romance scene where Shepard enters her quarters and Garrus is there, naked but for a bowtie and holding a bottle in front of his crotch, and he tells Shepard he bought more wine.

ruh roh totp

my manshep knows who he likes

Modifié par k-baggs, 06 février 2012 - 05:05 .