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The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

"Love Boat"? Is that what you guys are going for with this? xD My Sheps always call the Normandy their crazy train.

So, I've been wondering how we're going to discuss the spoilers together. Is there a separate group for it that I'm not aware of, or will we be posting them here with invisible text (which someone will have to tell me how to do) under big bold spoiler warnings? Because I know that many of you know... and I want to talk about what we know... but I don't want to spoil it for anyone who doesn't know!


...aw for the love of... now Love Train is stuck!
AAAUUUUUGGGHHHH.............\\o\\

Ahem.
More to the point: The OP of the thread does state boldly that this is supposed to be a spoiler friendly thread. But I think - out of respect for people who haven't read the OP - people have been trying to use discretion with spoilers. Invisible text (how does one do that? what's the coding?), referring to other characters as 'X', etc.

I say bring the 'spoilers' on (though I'm down with greyed out text or what not) -- leaked script or not it's all really just speculation until the game is in our hands on the 6th anyway. :D

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SuranaMage wrote...

 LOL why am I seeing the Love Boat song here? :lol:

So apparently we won't have Garrus in the demo coming out on Valentine's Day (from what I hear) BUT maybe he will appear in the Femshep trailer tomorrow? :wub:  I'm kind of guessing they'll make Kaidan the "love interest" in the video, if they're even going to do something like that, because I think he's going to be in it instead of Ashley.  I'm hoping Garrus will make a prominent appearance, though!


I've heard of Garrus not being in the demo, too. :( My heart is filled with sadness over that. And agreed: I hope, hope, hope he's in the trailer somewhere.

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In order to "hide" text, you just select what text you wish to hide then change the font color to dark grey, which is the upper-right color option in the text color box. ^^

Modifié par Eradyn, 10 février 2012 - 03:26 .


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I have read that Kaidan will be in the FemShep trailer, but hopefully not as her LI. I don't think they should include romance in the trailers. I remember back when DA2's trailers were released, showing the default MaleHawke in a romance with Isabela, and it caused a lot of confusion with people thinking Hawke would have a "canon" LI/past relationship at the start of the game. It's just not the best idea, in my opinion.

shygravel wrote...

...aw for the love of... now Love Train is stuck!
AAAUUUUUGGGHHHH.............o

Ahem.
More to the point: The OP of the thread does state boldly that this is supposed to be a spoiler friendly thread. But I think - out of respect for people who haven't read the OP - people have been trying to use discretion with spoilers. Invisible text (how does one do that? what's the coding?), referring to other characters as 'X', etc.

I say bring the 'spoilers' on (though I'm down with greyed out text or what not) -- leaked script or not it's all really just speculation until the game is in our hands on the 6th anyway. :D

I didn't know "Love Train" was a song. ^^; I've just got the image of my Carson Shepard singing "Crazy Train" in the Mako with Garrus and Wrex tagging along. (Wrex loves his driving. I'm not so sure about Garrus, except that he probably hates repairing the Mako every time Carson's done with it.)

That's what I've always done here on BSN - try not to post spoilers at all (unless in a group where everyone has read them), being very vague about them or using a big "SPOILER" tag. Maybe we could just post spoiler warnings and then people will have to highlight to read the rest?

Eradyn wrote...

In order to "hide" text, you just select what text you wish to hide then change the font color to dark grey, which is the upper-right color option in the text color box. ^^

Thanks! :D I found it now.

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Oh, I got bored.

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shygravel wrote...

Eradyn wrote...

Hey,
welcome aboard the Lo--*glances at shygravel and clears throat* Er,
welcome to the Garrus thread. :D  And that sounds like some serious
powering through.


*glances at Eradyn* That? What you did there? I totally caught it...

....Aaaand now the song is back. >.<

You are evil.
And to be commended. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/heart.png[/smilie] *grins*


Never fear, I'm here to help break brains. :D <3

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The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

I have read that Kaidan will be in the FemShep trailer, but hopefully not as her LI. I don't think they should include romance in the trailers. I remember back when DA2's trailers were released, showing the default MaleHawke in a romance with Isabela, and it caused a lot of confusion with people thinking Hawke would have a "canon" LI/past relationship at the start of the game. It's just not the best idea, in my opinion.


^ This. Absolutely. As a female gamer, I'm totallypsyched about the FemShep trailer. I'm also totally opposed to feeling like any romance is 'expected' of me. Be it Kaidan's return or the horrid way femShep talked to Jacob in ME2. I may well have enjoyed both LI's more if it wasn't presented in a 'And here's your heterosexual, homosapien options. Go at it. Now." manner. I like Kaidan, I do. I didn't mind Jacob overly much. I preferred the fact that Garrus wasn't by any means the 'obvious' or 'pushed for' choice.

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...
I didn't know "Love Train" was a song. ^^; I've just got the image of my Carson Shepard singing "Crazy Train" in the Mako with Garrus and Wrex tagging along. (Wrex loves his driving. I'm not so sure about Garrus, except that he probably hates repairing the Mako every time Carson's done with it.)

That's what I've always done here on BSN - try not to post spoilers at all (unless in a group where everyone has read them), being very vague about them or using a big "SPOILER" tag. Maybe we could just post spoiler warnings and then people will have to highlight to read the rest?


<_<
....in my headspace, Wrex, Garrus and Dana Shepard listened to Low Rider in the Mako.
:D

And I think the big 'Spoiler' warning and the greyed out the text is the way to go, yeah.

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I reeeeeally hope we get to see some Garrus in the FemShep trailer tomorrow! I am so excited I'm about to ****** my pants! :D

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Eradyn wrote...

Oh, I got bored.

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*snip*


Never fear, I'm here to help break brains. :D <3


a) You should get bored more often! <3
B) You did wonderfully :kissing:... but now the song is gone. Let's keep it that way. *pointer-and-middle-fingers point at eyes and back in Eradyn's direction* Watchin' you.

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Wait why wouldn't Garrus be in the Demo on Valentine's day? He's been in every demo event along with Liara except for the kinect one. I still think he'll be in it since the latest showing of the demo had him in it

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shygravel wrote...

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

I have read that Kaidan will be in the FemShep trailer, but hopefully not as her LI. I don't think they should include romance in the trailers. I remember back when DA2's trailers were released, showing the default MaleHawke in a romance with Isabela, and it caused a lot of confusion with people thinking Hawke would have a "canon" LI/past relationship at the start of the game. It's just not the best idea, in my opinion.


^ This. Absolutely. As a female gamer, I'm totallypsyched about the FemShep trailer. I'm also totally opposed to feeling like any romance is 'expected' of me. Be it Kaidan's return or the horrid way femShep talked to Jacob in ME2. I may well have enjoyed both LI's more if it wasn't presented in a 'And here's your heterosexual, homosapien options. Go at it. Now." manner. I like Kaidan, I do. I didn't mind Jacob overly much. I preferred the fact that Garrus wasn't by any means the 'obvious' or 'pushed for' choice.


Definitely agree <3  What I like most about Garrus, and what keeps me from romancing anyone else, is the fact that he specifically was NOT designed to be the sexy love interest.  I think Bioware was really surprised at how much players loved him and wanted to romance him.  Honestly, I'm really turned off by Kaidan and Jacob, not only because I'm not interested in their personalities, but also because they're the obvious choice for LI <_<  I'm hoping in future games Bioware will go with less-conventional options for romances, like Garrus <3

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I hope he's in it, but I've heard some rumours that he's been replaced by Vega in it? :/ Not sure, it's totally just hearsay (or heresy? ⌐.⌐), which I hope proves false.

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I don't know enough about superheroes to be familiar with the Punisher, but I like seeing "Vengeance Has A Name" above a picture of Garrus' face. It just seems to fit. :)

shygravel wrote...

^ This. Absolutely. As a female gamer, I'm totallypsyched about the FemShep trailer. I'm also totally opposed to feeling like any romance is 'expected' of me. Be it Kaidan's return or the horrid way femShep talked to Jacob in ME2. I may well have enjoyed both LI's more if it wasn't presented in a 'And here's your heterosexual, homosapien options. Go at it. Now." manner. I like Kaidan, I do. I didn't mind Jacob overly much. I preferred the fact that Garrus wasn't by any means the 'obvious' or 'pushed for' choice.

Same here, I don't like any LI to feel like the choice the game wants you to go for. I had to avoid poor Jacob half of the time because FemShep's lines sounded like Harbinger assumed direct control over her personality! Kaidan was fine for me, with just one line where he asks if Femshep is interested or if he read the signals wrong, and then it was back to friendship conversations... but I know that a lot of people have had trouble with romance traps (in my case, Liara had the trap), and that can give off a terrible impression of romances being forced.

I think it's great that Garrus' dialogue doesn't have any of those problems. The subject of romance doesn't come up unless Shepard wants it to, which is the way I prefer it to be in games. It also helps cut down on hate from the game players. People can really resent a character when they feel like an unwanted romance is being pushed on them. I like the way Garrus can just be the best friend ever to my Shepards who don't romance him.

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If they *did* take a "romance angle" in the trailer, I hope it involves all of the LIs in a shirtless mud-wrestling match.

...Wait, did I say that out loud?

Anyway, I agree; I love the way Garrus' romance was handled and I feel it was the most appropriate way for BW to do it. I've always liked the idea that he isn't a romance option forced on people and it just shows that BW listened when people talked about not liking that. For me, that was one of the things that turned me off on the other LIs...knowing that they were made for "me," like they represented what BW's marketing information told them I should like and so I was expected to "fall" for them. I don't know if that makes sense. It would also be why I didn't take to the drell well at all, as they were designed for women as the asari were for men. Which is a slightly different topic. Maybe I just have a bit of "hipster" in my blood. "I thought Garrus was hot before it was cool!" :lol:

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

I don't know enough about
superheroes to be familiar with the Punisher, but I like seeing
"Vengeance Has A Name" above a picture of Garrus' face. It just seems to
fit. :)


I know people like to think of Garrus as the turian Batman, but I really do think (in spite of my limited knowledge of this character) that he has more in common with the Punisher than Batman (who is my fave superhero, granted).

The Punisher is a vigilante who employs murder, kidnapping, extortion, coercion, threats of violence, and torture in his war on crime. Driven by the deaths of his wife and two children, who were killed by the mob when they witnessed a gangland execution in New York City's Central Park, the Punisher wages a one-man war on the mob and all criminals in general by using all manner of conventional war weaponry.[1] His family's killers were the first to be slain.[2] A war veteran, Castle is a master of martial arts, stealth tactics, guerrilla warfare, and a wide variety of weapons.

Source

Granted, I don't think Garrus is quite as "extreme," but there are a lot of parallels.

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Eradyn wrote...

If they *did* take a "romance angle" in the trailer, I hope it involves all of the LIs in a shirtless mud-wrestling match.

...Wait, did I say that out loud?


...Only if it includes resulting rashes and mild hallucinations.
<_<
And the closing line of 'These fish are INDOCTRINATED!' :whistle:

And yes, agreed all around, Surana, Saren n' Eradyn. But here's the thing: Is any one else concerned that ME3 will fall back - hard - on the idea of one particular 'mate being the 'ideal' LI choice? It was there in ME1. It was there in ME2. In neither did it seem to be Garrus. Which we all liked! But at the same time it did mean that Garrus' convo's/polish kind of fell short. They were great in and of themselves -- but not as many in number/length.

Now here comes ME3: In one of the artbook pages it's mentioned that Ashley, Kaidan and Liara where always intended to be love interests throughout the triology, with mention of revamping them especially for their return after a games-worth of absence. Many of the other ME2 LI's seem to be largely sidelined. I'm glad that doesn't seem to be true of Garrus (or Tali for that matter) and feel bad for die hard VS/Liara fans in ME2 and diehard ME2-LI fans in ME3... but I hope we truly do get more in-depth encounters with Garrus. And not even just on the romance front... the guys been loyal and badass for three games now. I hope that gave Bioware incentive to really polish up the details of Shep/Garrus interactions and not sideline him to 'well, he's awesome -- but he's been in all three games'. Does that make sense?

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...



Same here, I don't like any LI to feel like the choice the game wants you
to go for. I had to avoid poor Jacob half of the time because FemShep's
lines sounded like Harbinger assumed direct control over her
personality!


YES. THIS. :lol::lol::lol:

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shygravel wrote...

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

I have read that Kaidan will be in the FemShep trailer, but hopefully not as her LI. I don't think they should include romance in the trailers. I remember back when DA2's trailers were released, showing the default MaleHawke in a romance with Isabela, and it caused a lot of confusion with people thinking Hawke would have a "canon" LI/past relationship at the start of the game. It's just not the best idea, in my opinion.


^ This. Absolutely. As a female gamer, I'm totallypsyched about the FemShep trailer. I'm also totally opposed to feeling like any romance is 'expected' of me. Be it Kaidan's return or the horrid way femShep talked to Jacob in ME2. I may well have enjoyed both LI's more if it wasn't presented in a 'And here's your heterosexual, homosapien options. Go at it. Now." manner. I like Kaidan, I do. I didn't mind Jacob overly much. I preferred the fact that Garrus wasn't by any means the 'obvious' or 'pushed for' choice.

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...
I didn't know "Love Train" was a song. ^^; I've just got the image of my Carson Shepard singing "Crazy Train" in the Mako with Garrus and Wrex tagging along. (Wrex loves his driving. I'm not so sure about Garrus, except that he probably hates repairing the Mako every time Carson's done with it.)

That's what I've always done here on BSN - try not to post spoilers at all (unless in a group where everyone has read them), being very vague about them or using a big "SPOILER" tag. Maybe we could just post spoiler warnings and then people will have to highlight to read the rest?


<_<
....in my headspace, Wrex, Garrus and Dana Shepard listened to Low Rider in the Mako.
:D

And I think the big 'Spoiler' warning and the greyed out the text is the way to go, yeah.


The bold.

Amusingly, to me at least, Garrus always seemed like he should be the canon romance and he certainly is my canon's romance. It just seemed to fit so nicely with the building friendship in ME1, how he spoke in ME2 and the fact that there's supposed to be all that human/turian tension. Posted Image

I may be terribly biased, though. ;D

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TBH I was a little put off by the femShep romances in ME1 (ME1 I was ninjamanced by Kaiden and then just went along with it) and in ME2....she was so CREEPY!!!!! It was like hearing really bad pickup lines from a b-grade porno (not that I know what those are like)

And it seems at least in ME there was some flirting, but shep in ME2 was right away, first chance she got with Garrus was "Let's go hop in bed"

And Thank You Thank You Thank you for the link to the spoilers. Almost done reading....*sigh*

Wrex and Garrus were my two most common comapnions in ME....and when driving the Mako all I could think is when we'd get out the first thing they would do is kiss the ground. Do Turians turn green from motion sickness? I imagined in my head that Garrus was thinking "Thank the Spirits" with the new plant scanning.

Getting home from a work trip and planning on going through another ME/ME2 playthrough.

After the romance 'scene' with Garrus.....am I glitching or did I do something wrong? Cause even after, go talk to him all he keeps saying is "Are we crazy to even think about doing this?" and all I can keep thinking is "I was that forgettable? We already did!!!!!"

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Dirgegun wrote...

The bold.

Amusingly, to me at least, Garrus always seemed like he should be the canon romance and he certainly is my canon's romance. It just seemed to fit so nicely with the building friendship in ME1, how he spoke in ME2 and the fact that there's supposed to be all that human/turian tension. Posted Image

I may be terribly biased, though. ;D


As frustrated as I was about not being able to drag that turian into the back of the Mako, I'm glad now to see how their relationship has progressed.  If anything, I think femShep/Garrus benefit the most from this, as the relationship seems more natural and organic and not so...rushed and forced? You go from comrades/friends, to friends/lovers, to lovers/something-more spanning across the games.  You see how Garrus is always there for Shep in every capacity, he's always got her back, he never abandons her, and he fearlessly leaps into hell by her side, even knowing the odds.  It's hard to ask for a better friend, and even more, lover.  Obviously, I'm biased...but for me, they'll always be canon and that helped it out. 

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Eradyn wrote...

Dirgegun wrote...

The bold.

Amusingly, to me at least, Garrus always seemed like he should be the canon romance and he certainly is my canon's romance. It just seemed to fit so nicely with the building friendship in ME1, how he spoke in ME2 and the fact that there's supposed to be all that human/turian tension. Posted Image

I may be terribly biased, though. ;D


As frustrated as I was about not being able to drag that turian into the back of the Mako, I'm glad now to see how their relationship has progressed.  If anything, I think femShep/Garrus benefit the most from this, as the relationship seems more natural and organic and not so...rushed and forced? You go from comrades/friends, to friends/lovers, to lovers/something-more spanning across the games.  You see how Garrus is always there for Shep in every capacity, he's always got her back, he never abandons her, and he fearlessly leaps into hell by her side, even knowing the odds.  It's hard to ask for a better friend, and even more, lover.  Obviously, I'm biased...but for me, they'll always be canon and that helped it out. 


All of this. This is the exact reason it feels like canon to me, and like a much deeper relationship than the other romances available -- in my honest opinion. <3 

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@Jaulen: Yeah, a couple of the squadmates kind of get 'stuck' on one last conversation. I think Thane does this as well.

@Dirgegun & Eradyn: Canon for me as well (which I guess should be obvious XD ) and for the same reason. Because he didn't start off as an LI, Bioware was actually able to - in my opinion - pull off a really 'believable' romance. Something far more organic than 'we met, we boned and now it's wuv, twoo wuv'. Hellish things happen to Shep in these games: And Garrus is one of the few characters who is -always- there for them. Not like a pet on a leash, but as an asset, friend, confidant and, eventually (in our Shep's case) lover.

I've heard a bit from Bioware about wanting to show more of Shep's 'humanity' in ME3 (which I am oh-so-ALL for) -- I sincerely hope that comes through in Shep/Garrus interactions. I can think of few other characters my Shep's (even the ones who I managed -not- to have romance him) would feel able to show that kind of vulnerability to when/if the time comes.

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I normally like the characters who most people wouldn't think of as romance options, and in games, they're the ones I want to pair my characters with most of all. From the moment Tali appeared on screen, I thought she was perfect for the MaleShep in my first playthrough. It was the same way with Garrus - he was perfect for the FemShep I had in mind while going through ME1 as that MaleShep who wanted Tali. And then there's MainShep, who loves Saren. Well, two out of three getting their wishes isn't bad at all.

I think BioWare's latest romance options are better designed for the characters I play though. Seriously, it's amazing how much difference there is. I didn't care much for the ME1 and DAO LIs, but I liked Garrus/Tali/Thane/Jack in ME2 and Anders/Fenris/Merrill/Isabela in DA2. It's becoming a pattern.

shygravel wrote...

And yes, agreed all around, Surana, Saren n' Eradyn. But here's the thing: Is any one else concerned that ME3 will fall back - hard - on the idea of one particular 'mate being the 'ideal' LI choice? It was there in ME1. It was there in ME2. In neither did it seem to be Garrus. Which we all liked! But at the same time it did mean that Garrus' convo's/polish kind of fell short. They were great in and of themselves -- but not as many in number/length.

Now here comes ME3: In one of the artbook pages it's mentioned that Ashley, Kaidan and Liara where always intended to be love interests throughout the triology, with mention of revamping them especially for their return after a games-worth of absence. Many of the other ME2 LI's seem to be largely sidelined. I'm glad that doesn't seem to be true of Garrus (or Tali for that matter) and feel bad for die hard VS/Liara fans in ME2 and diehard ME2-LI fans in ME3... but I hope we truly do get more in-depth encounters with Garrus. And not even just on the romance front... the guys been loyal and badass for three games now. I hope that gave Bioware incentive to really polish up the details of Shep/Garrus interactions and not sideline him to 'well, he's awesome -- but he's been in all three games'. Does that make sense?

Have you read the spoilers? Nothing to worry about, Garrus has plenty of romance content. :)

I would guess that the main "intended" LI is still Liara, and possibly James for FemSheps because he's the new guy. I hope not though, because I was looking forward to having another friend squadmate around on my first playthrough, but if the worst happens (forced flirty lines), I'll just avoid everyone except Garrus and Tali. I just try to ignore comments like "these characters were always intended to be the LIs", and hope that they only meant it as "we planned for these characters to be romances since the beginning, and these other options were added later" rather than suggest that certain LIs are "the right choice" while others are not.

Wow, lots of air-quotes in my last paragraph. Just imagine the turian councillor saying it.

Jaulen wrote...

After the romance 'scene' with Garrus.....am I glitching or did I do something wrong? Cause even after, go talk to him all he keeps saying is "Are we crazy to even think about doing this?" and all I can keep thinking is "I was that forgettable? We already did!!!!!"

It's a common glitch. Garrus has no new dialogue for after the suicide mission, so that's what he says to a lot of people. In my case, he uses the "I haven't forgotten what we talked about" line, which works perfectly even though it's a repeat.

And I'm glad you're enjoying the spoilers. :) I also read them the first chance I got.

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shygravel wrote...

Eradyn wrote...

If they *did* take a "romance angle" in the trailer, I hope it involves all of the LIs in a shirtless mud-wrestling match.

...Wait, did I say that out loud?


...Only if it includes resulting rashes and mild hallucinations.
<_<
And the closing line of 'These fish are INDOCTRINATED!' :whistle:

And yes, agreed all around, Surana, Saren n' Eradyn. But here's the thing: Is any one else concerned that ME3 will fall back - hard - on the idea of one particular 'mate being the 'ideal' LI choice? It was there in ME1. It was there in ME2. In neither did it seem to be Garrus. Which we all liked! But at the same time it did mean that Garrus' convo's/polish kind of fell short. They were great in and of themselves -- but not as many in number/length.

Now here comes ME3: In one of the artbook pages it's mentioned that Ashley, Kaidan and Liara where always intended to be love interests throughout the triology, with mention of revamping them especially for their return after a games-worth of absence. Many of the other ME2 LI's seem to be largely sidelined. I'm glad that doesn't seem to be true of Garrus (or Tali for that matter) and feel bad for die hard VS/Liara fans in ME2 and diehard ME2-LI fans in ME3... but I hope we truly do get more in-depth encounters with Garrus. And not even just on the romance front... the guys been loyal and badass for three games now. I hope that gave Bioware incentive to really polish up the details of Shep/Garrus interactions and not sideline him to 'well, he's awesome -- but he's been in all three games'. Does that make sense?


Yes, that's what I'm feeling is going to happen in ME3... I think (and KNOW from the leaks) that Garrus gets more than he did in ME2, but he and Tali (but especially all the other romances from ME2) are nothing compared to the combined romantic might of Kaidan, Ashley, and Liara.  I know Kaidan and Ashley didn't get any love in ME2, and I do think they deserve as much love as possible in ME3, but I'm a little saddened that they're the "default" romances and that all the other romances are so lacking in content (not Garrus and Tali, mind you).  I feel like the game is saying to my Femshep, even in ME2, that I must romance either Kaidan or Liara :mellow:

I also don't really like that the main three are the only ones to have the option of starting a romance in ME3; well, that I know of so far.  I like that Kaidan and Ashley will most likely be same-sex romance options, but I think it's strange that just them and Liara are available for new gamers to romance.  Granted, we don't know everything yet, but I don't understand why Garrus and Tali can't be available for new romances.  In fact, I would really love the option! <3  I think it would make sense for them due to their strong relationship with Shepard.  I know some people wouldn't like Garrus or Tali to be the ones to start a romance for fear of ninjamancing, but I think, unlike with Liara, it could be done well and easily averted.  Maybe there's some incident that makes one of them feel like they can't lose Shepard again and it stirs up feelings?  They could bring it up to Shepard and very easily be shot down and put back into friends' only territory without any hard feelings (like Kaidan).  I would just really like that option, and it would give new players who are just starting ME3 to have a chance at romancing them <3

And I feel terribly for Thane, Jack, Jacob, and Miranda romancers because they are definitely overshadowed in the romance department, at least from what the leaks state :(

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Damate

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@Saren: I've read some of the spoilers, but not all, no. :whistle: The only script I found on my own wasn't organized in any way, shape or form, and my head just couldn't handle connecting the dots. I've been sent a few snippets of put-together dialogue (thanks to Eradyn <3) but that's all. Wouldn't mind it if I could find a whole set that someone took the time to arrange into some semblance of coherency. *puppy eyes*

I've always been rather 'meh' about Liara, ngl. Take her or leave her. So far as James goes, we'll see... I can totally understand why Bioware wanted a 'fresh face' and someone to 'represent the new player' and I hope I like him, but having played the first two games I'm far more interested in the characters who have been with us all along. So long as nothing changes and I've still got Garrus and Tali as permanent 'mates, then I'll be happy. :)

@Surana: I'd actually kind of like if Garrus and Tali weren't romanceable for brand-new playthorughs... if only because so much of what made them great LI's was the slow build up, as has been said before. Which someone totally new to ME wouldn't have to go on. Then again, I totally would have snagged Garrus as an LI from the get-go in ME1, had he been an option (and I know plenty of players who feel the same about Tali) so maybe you're right.

I definitely agree though: It does seem like people whose main romances where with Miranda, Thane, Jacob or Jack are definitely getting the short stick and that's sad, it being the end of the triology and all. I mean, Bioware couldn't possibly have pleased everyone, as much as we'd like them too. And, well, I'm selfish enough to be happy that Garrus doesn't seem to be getting sidelined like that... but it still sucks for the other players.

I am still a little bummed at the idea that people who stick with Garrus or Tali may not get quite the landslide of in-depth attention as I've heard Kaidan, Ashley and Liara lovers will.... but I'll gladly take any decent amount Bioware gives me and happily mold the rest in my headspace. :innocent:

Edit: A Note on the leaked script though -- is any one else really trying not to take it as 'gospel'? I love getting spoilers and musing, but I also have it stored away in the realm of 'speculation until absolutely proven true' just so I don't get too set or bummed about things until I see it all play out for myself.

Modifié par shygravel, 10 février 2012 - 05:14 .


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The Sarendoctrinator

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I can see the logic behind Liara/Kaidan/Ashley being romance options again, as PS3 players never had a proper chance at romancing them before. Sure, it's possible in the Genesis comic, and that carries over into ME3, but Genesis doesn't exactly give player much reason to like or get attached to those characters if they've never seen them in actual ME1 videos. It makes sense from that perspective. And with how much those three have changed since ME1, it'll be interesting to play a Shepard who never had romantic feelings for them until ME3.

But still, I will always worry about romance traps. The sad fact is that I'll probably avoid everyone who is a romance option for FemShep (besides Garrus) on the Normandy during my first playthrough. Nobody's going to mess up Kiara's romance with Garrus. >_>

shygravel wrote...

@Saren: I've read some of the spoilers, but not all, no. Posted Image The only script I found on my own wasn't organized in any way, shape or form, and my head just couldn't handle connecting the dots. I've been sent a few snippets of put-together dialogue (thanks to Eradyn Posted Image) but that's all. Wouldn't mind it if I could find a whole set that someone took the time to arrange into some semblance of coherency. *puppy eyes*

I'll send you a link to the spoilers. :) And don't worry, it's very well organized.
(Eradyn and I have the same version of the script, actually.)

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@Saren: *opens the PM. Clicks the link.*
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OMG, WHERE HAS THIS BEEN ALL MY LIFE!? *reads. reads. REAAADDDS.*

I'll be in my bunk.

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I squee just at the fact those that have read the leak see it as squee worthy. Other than that I shall force myself to wait. xD