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[outmane]

 For my Shepard, she asks Garrus after talking with Tali once her LM is done. You know the convo about linking suits. I usually assume Tali tells Shep 'you dont live in a suit so go for it!' and since Quarians and Turians is easier and has been around since a longer time, i always see her tell Shep 'I knew a girl on the Fleet who met a Turian on her Pelgrimage... '


On an other note, i dont really like that so many fan fics just ignore the fact that Garrus isnt into humans. Its always 'well my Shepard is so beautiful, hell make an exception for her'. Id like to see Garrus more conflicted about it. Going from 'if she was turian' to 'maybe i love her because she is so diffrent'.

Edit: i cant post images from here. Would someone be kind enough to do the TOP  for me ?

Modifié par outmane, 01 juillet 2011 - 03:58 .

[Platform_Error]

Okay, from now on Shepard is going to talk to Tali, then get drunk, then hit on Garrus

I know what you mean about the "my Shepard is so beautiful" thing. Garrus has never been with a human, the thought has never even crossed his mind. I think if he was going to find something physically attractive about her, more realistically, it would be her eyes before anything else. Everyone has eyes! (well, except Hanar:P)
I think he probably had feelings for her for a while but didn't realize it because there was nothing physical there, his attraction was never some burning desire in his loins it was all mental and emotional, then when she invited him to her bed he was like "Wait a minute... I like this idea... a lot. "  and that probably scared him to death. Shepard flicked a switch in his head, and it was all downhill after that

[outmane]

Platform_Error wrote...

I know what you mean about the "my Shepard is so beautiful" thing. Garrus has never been with a human, the thought has never even crossed his mind. I think if he was going to find something physically attractive about her, more realistically, it would be her eyes before anything else. Everyone has eyes! (well, except Hanar:P)
I think he probably had feelings for her for a while but didn't realize it because there was nothing physical there, his attraction was never some burning desire in his loins it was all mental and emotional, then when she invited him to her bed he was like "Wait a minute... I like this idea... a lot. "  and that probably scared him to death. Shepard flicked a switch in his head, and it was all downhill after that

Yup thats exactly how i see it.  To me thats why he says yes right away (and appears not only surprised but flattered). Then he kinda remembers she is human and starts stressing over it

[Obsydian]

Platform_Error wrote...

The way things end up between them you can just tell that it's more than a fling. I think Shepard approached it as a fling to test the waters first and make sure her attraction to him was mutual. I actually have this ocd thing where I have to make my Shepard drink the brandy with Chakwas immediately before she hits on Garrus. Always. In my version of the story, Shepard wants to tell him how she feels but decides it will be easier with some liquid courage. To me, it helps explain her forwardness. Garrus and Shepard dance around their feelings for eachother with all the "blowing off steam" banter, and it's understandable. Falling for your best friend is terrifying, especially when your feelings are reciprocated, because it means risking everything, and it's probably tenfold for best friends who aren't even the same species.

Wow, that was longwinded. Good thing the internet doesn't have renegade interrupts=]

I like that comic, it makes me feel inspired.

i freaking love that comic.  i love it so much.   fi you'read that one, read Turian Kisses too.  its also fantastic. 

oh dear. everything you said here, Platform, and more.  You see... damn. falling for your best friend is rough. I recently did that. and its really hard to say anything. and it really is terrifying. 


and YAY THE FORUMS ARE BACK! 
in celebration

[outmane]

Well im happily engaged with my best friend since 5 years. Guess why enjoy Garrus romance so much 

[Obsydian]

yeah. mine's a shade more complicated than that unfortunatly. but ... he's totally my Garrus.

[Twilight_Princess]

Platform_Error wrote...

The way things end up between them you can just tell that it's more than a fling. I think Shepard approached it as a fling to test the waters first and make sure her attraction to him was mutual. I actually have this ocd thing where I have to make my Shepard drink the brandy with Chakwas immediately before she hits on Garrus. Always. In my version of the story, Shepard wants to tell him how she feels but decides it will be easier with some liquid courage. To me, it helps explain her forwardness. Garrus and Shepard dance around their feelings for eachother with all the "blowing off steam" banter, and it's understandable. Falling for your best friend is terrifying, especially when your feelings are reciprocated, because it means risking everything, and it's probably tenfold for best friends who aren't even the same species.

Wow, that was longwinded. Good thing the internet doesn't have renegade interrupts=]

I like that comic, it makes me feel inspired.

dude....YOU'RE A GENIUS!  Why didn't I think of that! That way it explains how a not-so-forward shepard got so forward with him! That's so clever! The thing I did was end the reach and flexibility story with "great story see you later garrus"  so that when she returns to hit on him later it feels like she thought about her feelings more , that more time had past AND it felt more welcome ( garrus tells you he's still having trouble as if he's asking for your advice this time)

Now I can add an alcohol excuse on top of it! Glorious! But I'll roleplay it that she didn't go in there to hit on him at first,  but just wanted to chat to him while she was in a happy tipsy mood . What happens next is some liquid courage that brings out her flirty side!

I could kiss you platform you clever pants you!

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 01 juillet 2011 - 09:08 .

[outmane]

My Shep doesnt drink before asking Garrus out but she has some event bringing her to it too. Mainly her conversation with Tali. I like learning how you guys explain it tho.

[Platform_Error]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

dude....YOU'RE A GENIUS!  Why didn't I think of that! That way it explains how a not-so-forward shepard got so forward with him! That's so clever! The thing I did was end the reach and flexibility story with "great story see you later garrus"  so that when she returns to hit on him later it feels like she thought about her feelings more , that more time had past AND it felt more welcome ( garrus tells you he's still having trouble as if he's asking for your advice this time)

Now I can add an alcohol excuse on top of it! Glorious! But I'll roleplay it that she didn't go in there to hit on him at first,  but just wanted to chat to him while she was in a happy tipsy mood . What happens next is some liquid courage that brings out her flirty side!

I could kiss you platform you clever pants you!

at the bold part... REALLY?! I've never tried this, I thought I HAD to make a move then, had no idea I'd get another shot. This is exciting!
Okay okay... I need to do another PT
go talk to Garrus about reach and flexibility, wait a little while, get drunk, hit on Garrus.
I also think I prefer your idea about Shepard not *intending* to hit on him
this is awesome, and we are all so very nerdy.

*nerd hugs*

[Twilight_Princess]

Platform_Error wrote...

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

dude....YOU'RE A GENIUS!  Why didn't I think of that! That way it explains how a not-so-forward shepard got so forward with him! That's so clever! The thing I did was end the reach and flexibility story with "great story see you later garrus"  so that when she returns to hit on him later it feels like she thought about her feelings more , that more time had past AND it felt more welcome ( garrus tells you he's still having trouble as if he's asking for your advice this time)

Now I can add an alcohol excuse on top of it! Glorious! But I'll roleplay it that she didn't go in there to hit on him at first,  but just wanted to chat to him while she was in a happy tipsy mood . What happens next is some liquid courage that brings out her flirty side!

I could kiss you platform you clever pants you!

at the bold part... REALLY?! I've never tried this, I thought I HAD to make a move then, had no idea I'd get another shot. This is exciting!
Okay okay... I need to do another PT
go talk to Garrus about reach and flexibility, wait a little while, get drunk, hit on Garrus.
I also think I prefer your idea about Shepard not *intending* to hit on him
this is awesome, and we are all so very nerdy.

*nerd hugs*

yes REALLY! You can hit on him later , behold




after he finishes the female turian story say goodbye then talk to him again!

Yes that's my canon plan for my official shepard that I will do eventually (everything perfect run,  ocd alert!)

1.Talk to garrus about the turian scout then leave
 
2.Talk to tali for the "it's our most important gesture of trust , of acceptance" line

3. Have a drink with chakwas (so that its her fault she makes shep drink too much)
4. Then go talk to garrus without any intention of hitting on him   


Perfect

[outmane]

Waiting for him to have fully delt with his feelings over Sidonis betrayal makes a lot more sense then jumping on him as soon as he enters the Normandy. I really like that path.

[Platform_Error]

aaaaahhh! I love that dialogue! He totally sounds like he's hinting around, what a scamp!

and I agree with you outmane, realistic of Shep to give him some breathing room first for sure.
We have discovered a formula for perfect garrusmancing!




 

[outmane]

 We are pros 

[Victia]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

Platform_Error wrote...

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

dude....YOU'RE A GENIUS!  Why didn't I think of that! That way it explains how a not-so-forward shepard got so forward with him! That's so clever! The thing I did was end the reach and flexibility story with "great story see you later garrus"  so that when she returns to hit on him later it feels like she thought about her feelings more , that more time had past AND it felt more welcome ( garrus tells you he's still having trouble as if he's asking for your advice this time)

Now I can add an alcohol excuse on top of it! Glorious! But I'll roleplay it that she didn't go in there to hit on him at first,  but just wanted to chat to him while she was in a happy tipsy mood . What happens next is some liquid courage that brings out her flirty side!

I could kiss you platform you clever pants you!

at the bold part... REALLY?! I've never tried this, I thought I HAD to make a move then, had no idea I'd get another shot. This is exciting!
Okay okay... I need to do another PT
go talk to Garrus about reach and flexibility, wait a little while, get drunk, hit on Garrus.
I also think I prefer your idea about Shepard not *intending* to hit on him
this is awesome, and we are all so very nerdy.

*nerd hugs*

yes REALLY! You can hit on him later , behold




after he finishes the female turian story say goodbye then talk to him again!

Yes that's my canon plan for my official shepard that I will do eventually (everything perfect run,  ocd alert!)

1.Talk to garrus about the turian scout then leave
 
2.Talk to tali for the "it's our most important gesture of trust , of acceptance" line

3. Have a drink with chakwas (so that its her fault she makes shep drink too much)
4. Then go talk to garrus without any intention of hitting on him   


Perfect

Yes this is how always do it now - athough took me about 5 playtroughts before i realised it could be done .

As to Garrus not having a human fetish, I always play my Sheps so dont have a Turian fetish either, and that she realises that she loves Garrus as she is getting spaced, when she hears about archangel she gets all her hopes up that it is him and rushes there to see if it is but still doesnt find the courage to do anything about it, its only after the reach and flesability story and Doc gets her drunk that she blunders her way in there and suggests easing tension ! Not that I overthink things at all !! But then again if you heard the back story my husband has created for him Shep and Tali - mine may seem simplistic lol!!

So I have been wondering and hoping that at the start of ME3 our relationships will still be in tact - garrus is happily snuggling Shep in her cabin and Shep can make it very clear to Liara (post shadow broker) how she feels about Garrus! So do you guys think that there will be dialoge that confirms your romance from (near) the beginning or do you think we will need to work up to that again?

[Twilight_Princess]

Victia wrote...

So I have been wondering and hoping that at the start of ME3 our relationships will still be in tact - garrus is happily snuggling Shep in her cabin and Shep can make it very clear to Liara (post shadow broker) how she feels about Garrus! So do you guys think that there will be dialoge that confirms your romance from (near) the beginning or do you think we will need to work up to that again?

My concern about the "new entry points" is connected to your question. My worry is that if there IS a new way to romance garrus in ME3 that means the sheps that have done so already won't be in couple stage yet or won't have progressed as much as we had hoped since me2 ended (in order to not be too far behind the new entry romance). My wish is for bioware to really build on the stories they have already written  and put all their efforts into those without adding a bigillion new variables that will affect the attention paid to the current garrus romance so far.

This is what I would LIKE to happen, but my gut says no, my gut says they will have barely talked about "that night" in detail or established where they stand. I would like to be wrong though.

[Twilight_Princess]

*double post*

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 01 juillet 2011 - 11:03 .

[Twilight_Princess]

*triple post*

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 01 juillet 2011 - 11:04 .

[outmane]

 Who wouldnt like to start ME3 with romantic scene between Shep and Garrus 

But more realistically i think the love triangles will be the center of ME3s romantic arcs (considering all LIs wont be on the Normandiy all the time). Id be surprised if they acknowledge the players who didnt romance anyone in ME1. They might jsut end up with less dialogue:unsure:.

I see things being 'good' between Shep and his LI but not 'clear' until the VS/Liara love triangle situation is resolved. Then of course we gets a nice romantic ending (the galaxy might not end up as nicely tho).

I know you mentionned telling Liara that things were over but given that obsessiveness is one of her main traits, i dont think she will like it so much that she got you back to life so you could end up in someone else arms.


Those are jsut my quick speculations from the top of my head. I hope ill be surprised somewhat but i think 'Archangel' will be hard to top.

[outmane]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

My concern about the "new entry points" is connected to your question. My worry is that if there IS a new way to romance garrus in ME3 that means the sheps that have done so already won't be in couple stage yet or won't have progressed as much as we had hoped since me2 ended (in order to not be too far behind the new entry romance). My wish is for bioware to really build on the stories they have already written  and put all their efforts into those without adding a bigillion new variables that will affect the attention paid to the current garrus romance so far.

This is what I would LIKE to happen, but my gut says no, my gut says they will have barely talked about "that night" in detail or established where they stand. I would like to be wrong though.

The way I'd do entry points would building on the feature they already said would be there to retell ME1 and ME2 to the new players. I would present the LIs there, let the player choose (like the Genesis comic does, only better <_<) and then work some quick scenes showing how the romance goes. That way the new players are up to pace ( those ppl know they are choosing to play the third part of a RPG, they better not complain) and theres no need to invent brand new romantic arcs for characters that might be temp sqaddies or even just cameos (Thane's romance is already too fast with him arriving at half the game) 

[Platform_Error]

I have the same concerns, Hyrule.
I'm wondering if there will be some sort of Q&A near the beginning, like in ME2, where another character will ask you questions and then the story will play out according to how you answer them.
maybe *insert character here, VS?* will be like, "Are the rumors about you and Garrus true?"
and the dialogue wheel will say something like,
a) That was just a one time thing
Things are very serious between us

poorly written example, but you get the idea. That way it'll be up to the player to determine the relationship status.
And there would still be room to fit in angsty love triangle stuff  because even if it was just a one night stand it still happened... there will be drama:o

Modifié par Platform_Error, 01 juillet 2011 - 11:25 .

[LisuPL]

outmane wrote...

 Who wouldnt like to start ME3 with romantic scene between Shep and Garrus 

But more realistically i think the love triangles will be the center of ME3s romantic arcs (considering all LIs wont be on the Normandiy all the time). Id be surprised if they acknowledge the players who didnt romance anyone in ME1. They might jsut end up with less dialogue:unsure:.

I see things being 'good' between Shep and his LI but not 'clear' until the VS/Liara love triangle situation is resolved. Then of course we gets a nice romantic ending (the galaxy might not end up as nicely tho).

I know you mentionned telling Liara that things were over but given that obsessiveness is one of her main traits, i dont think she will like it so much that she got you back to life so you could end up in someone else arms.


Those are jsut my quick speculations from the top of my head. I hope ill be surprised somewhat but i think 'Archangel' will be hard to top.

About the love triangles - what I really want to see in ME3...and I DO MEAN REALLY, is cat-fight (dog-fight?) between Gheydan (or whatever it he called haha) and Garrus over FemShep.

I want too see a solid, long scene with Garrus mowing his arse to the very bottom over FemShep.
And that reminds me...damn I must replay ME1 and ME2 with romancing Gheydan first and then dumping him gladly for Garrus, because I lack such save to import ATM....
Well..Guess I know what I'm gona' be doing in Jan and Feb 2012 ....I must have savegame ready to import when ME3 is gladly installed on my rig.

[Update]
I just got a great idea to further improve the roleplay....
I will only use Kaidan and Garrus as teammates in ME1....having them both around FemShep all the time would make it more realisic for them to become antagonistic over the same woman.

Sorry Ashley...you know what that means 4 you......: P

Modifié par LisuPL, 01 juillet 2011 - 11:32 .

[ThatDancingTurian]

I'm no Kaidan fan, but let's not use immature nicknames for other characters in here. I like to think we're cooler cats than that.

Now that tha's out of the way... Oh man, I hate myself for it but I want a confrontation between the LIs very much. I don't want it to be violent, but harsh words, posturing and testosterone? Definitely. I think some people think Kaidan and Garrus both are too low-key to get too upset with each other, but I don't know, emotions are probably running high with the Reapers out there. Garrus may have been dismissive of a 'love triangle' before he got attached to Shepard, but things have definitely changed.

My canon Shepard didn't romance anyone in ME1, but if they're hyping up this love triangle thing, I at least want to see some jealous sniping in my latest 'love triangle' PT. But then I'm someone who cackled gleefully during this exchange in DA2.

[Obsydian]

ooooh, fun conversations! just my 2 credits...

1. please, for the love of gods, no character bashing. we are more mature than that, right? i like Kaidan.
2. i totally did NOT realize there was other dialogue with Garrus.... man, they think of everything, don't they. lol. i like that its a bit like they're dancing around each other.
3. isn't there supposed to be consequences of the dire sort if you cheat on your original LI?
4. and lastly... now i'm worried about these entry points too. i don't want there to be less meaning to what happened in prior games. though it does seem as though Garrus is the type to take things slowly. specially in this situation. I mean, look how long it takes him to calibrate?

[outmane]

I do like Kaidan alot actually. My canon Shep romanced him and my renegade should be back to him in ME3 (if he has a spine and no new LIs make more sense. She got a renegade temper). He doesnt have Garrus style but they do share a crucial quality. They are both very loyal, Garrus to Shepard and Kaidan to his morals/ideals.

The reason why i think that people who did not romance soe one in ME1 will get short changed is that the devs already have so many romance paths to take care of, it might just be easier to not do anything special for those who didnt romance in ME1 and just remove the triangle dialogues in ME3.

As for Garrus reaction i would go with the Omega example. Garrus is a very emotional guy. He can get infuriated by injustice (and he easily loses his stance when Shep asks him out) but that does not affect his work. He is still able to think tactically when he knows hes gonna die. Work is his refuge, where things are (used to be) black and white. So i dont think the 'love triangle' will affect his performance in missions. He will be the same practical and witty guy. On the other hand, have him wate his time on the Normandy with the other LI around and he might get snappy very easily. Like a little tiger in a cage. Oh and he will certainly tell Shep that everything is ok even if its not. So she will have to be attentive.

I cant wait for when he gets to simply be happy (when things are clear between him and Shep). He so deserves it.

[Obsydian]

I romanced Kaidan on 2 of my 3 playthroughs. *shrug*

i do agree though that it will be nice to see Garrus happy. too much tragedy in his life.
And honestly? If Shep wanted to be with Kaidan .... I can see Garrus being the "if you love someone, let them go" type. He'd sacrifice his happiness for Shepard.

...Of course, I'm not sure i could ever have a Shepard be with anyone but him.
Except Joker.