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[Liec]

She looks a bit better once you're actually playing IMO.

[Blankeflos]

Liec wrote...

She looks a bit better once you're actually playing IMO.

Yeah, today I gave her a chance and I think she actually doesn't look so weird in action. Anyway, even if I approved her looks I would play with a custom femshep just because I can.  All I ask is her hairstyle for my femshep!

[Blankeflos]

jellobell wrote...

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

Blankeflos wrote...

I'm glad that playing ME2 first didn't ruin my experience. And yeah, it's been quite the ride. I mean, it's been only six months and I have spent at least some 300 hours playing both games, and I have a real life to take care of!! When I played ME1 and saw Garrus for the first time I was like OMGOMGOMG GARRUS!!! Did you know you and I'll be best friends forever?!! 

Welcome to the Garrus thread! It must have been interesting playing ME1 knowing how your Shepard and Garrus would end up, almost like a prequel story to show their relationship's build-up.

I always find it fascinating to hear how other people have experienced the Mass Effect series, because it's often very different from how I did.

I never in a million years thought that we'd actually get Garrus as an L.I. I mean, he looks like a dinosaur-cat-thing with bug mandibles, not exactly romance-novel material. So I retained a degree of pessimism throughout the whole "Garrus Romance" campaign. But damnnit, we pulled it off. If anything, that makes me love Garrus even more, beause him being an L.I. proves that I and my fellow fans managed to make a difference.

@Sarendoctrinator: Indeed. Playing ME1 felt like a flashback to ME2. I was surprised to see that Shepard had to spent most part of the game telling him to take it easy (I always play as paragade), but in the end it's so nice when he thanks her for teaching him to do things the right way, not the fastest. Then playing again ME2 was a whole new thing, like I was playing three different games, not just two. Okay, I'm feeling nostalgic now. <3

@jellobell: I remember I read some interview somewhere with someone from Bioware (omg, I wish my memory didn't suck that much) where they said they were surprised with the amount of players who wanted Garrus and Tali as LIs, so they did it. It's nice to see they listen.

[fatalfeline]

Yeah even though I played the beginning of ME1 at my cousin's house years ago, I only got into ME this summer when I got ME2 for the PS3. A friend convinced me to get both games on PC so I played them recently and backwards too.

[Twilight_Princess]

 
I’m pretty sure Garrus becoming a sex symbol  is still perplexing to most of the bioware team  but I’m glad they still  made him an LI despite this. They took a gamble and it paid off in a big way. Tali and Garrus are VERY popular romance choices to such a degree they were the first LI’sto be  mentioned during the ME3 interviews (Casey talks about the Garrus romance being a fan favourite).

This is why I’m so excited about ME3 because ME2, to me, was treating its audience as a focus group when it game to the more alien choices (Garrus especially). Will this be too weird? Gross? Will only a few people pick garrus as a choice if we actually give the fans what they want? While I believe garrus’s ME2 romance was lacking due to time restraints and the difficulty his shape posed , I also think they were testing the waters first.

Because if you compare his content with Jacob’s and Thane’s you could tell who they assumed the fangirls were going to flock to most. The effort put in was clearly very uneven .Enough time to give Jacob unique romance dialogue after the SM but not enough time to give poor garrus more than 3 conversations? To this day I wish I could of been a fly on the wall when they found out they completely dropped the ball with who they thought was going to be the fangirl favourite (Jacob) . It really says something if fans would rather go for the a giant grasshopper that does calibrations all the damn time instead of the guy you can have like 9 conversations with (I included the post SM)AND you can see with his shirt off.


 It's like the best romance options they make are unintentional and I think that's the appeal of Garrus. No way in his design was he ever intended to be an obvious sexy character to women. So talking him didn't feel like there was a constant flashing sign above his head that said "Hey, I'm a love interest". You got to know him as a character first and romantic availability wasn’t an integral part of it like the others.  While I love Thane for example (second favourite) I am aware he came into existence because the series needed a “male asari” for the ladies to appreciate. And while I do appreciate that aspect of him (a great deal in fact!) I question if decisions made about his character were only done to make him intentionally appealing to women instead of doing what’s best for him as a character in his own right.


Btw I’m not bashing Thane, I’m just pointing out the difference between his and Garrus's character creations as to why perhaps garrus is liked a bit more in general .  Also the man-creature with a heart of gold is a much loved trope when it comes to sexy fictional men . I blame disney for my conditioning when I was younger *cough* Goliath *cough* Beast*cough*  

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 19 février 2012 - 03:16 .

[jellobell]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

Because if you compare his content with Jacob’s and Thane’s you could tell who they assumed the fangirls were going to flock to most. The effort put in was clearly very uneven .Enough time to give Jacob unique romance dialogue after the SM but not enough time to give poor garrus more than 3 conversations? To this day I wish I could of been a fly on the wall when they found out they completely dropped the ball with who they thought was going to be the fangirl favourite (Jacob) . It really says something if fans would rather go for the a giant grasshopper that does calibrations all the damn time instead of the guy you can have like 9 conversations with (I included the post SM)AND you can see with his shirt off.

Yeah, I hope that Garrus gets more dialogue this time around, especially now that they realize how much of a fan-favourite he is.

In retrospect, I'm very glad that he wasn't an LI right from the start. The thing that bugs me about a bunch of Bioware romances is the awkward way that the relationships go from "aquaintances" to "soulmates" in the span of a few weeks, which I found most noticeable in Thane's romance. The relationship between Garrus and Shepard really benefitted from a whole game's worth of character development before they started seeing each other as more than friends.

Oooh, I just rediscovered This shipping manifesto for Garrus and Shepard. It's very well-written and worth a read.

Modifié par jellobell, 19 février 2012 - 05:45 .

[LilyasAvalon]

Good Chaos7 wrote...

Aww sorry if I'm pic spamming, saw this while actually listening to the song "Chicago - You're The Inspiration" poor Garrus

And this is why I will never break up with Garrus in Mass Effect 3.

[Homebound]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Good Chaos7 wrote...

Aww sorry if I'm pic spamming, saw this while actually listening to the song "Chicago - You're The Inspiration" poor Garrus

And this is why I will never break up with Garrus in Mass Effect 3.

*Garrus after Shepard died that one time*

[NirvanaKat]

I had a dream when Garrus put on the music that he Rick Rolled FemShep and left her HAHAHA

[Pyn]

Hellbound555 wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Good Chaos7 wrote...

Aww sorry if I'm pic spamming, saw this while actually listening to the song "Chicago - You're The Inspiration" poor Garrus

And this is why I will never break up with Garrus in Mass Effect 3.

*Garrus after Shepard died that one time*

[Homebound]

Pyn wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Good Chaos7 wrote...

Aww sorry if I'm pic spamming, saw this while actually listening to the song "Chicago - You're The Inspiration" poor Garrus

And this is why I will never break up with Garrus in Mass Effect 3.

*Garrus after Shepard died that one time*

[AgentMulder5]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...
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I think it goes to show you that most players of Mass Effect pursue relationships based on the content of the character and not the color of the fringe. I think Bioware was right to be hesitant about the whole concept of "blowing off steam" because taken at face value, who'd take a spiky silver bird thing over your stereotypical smooth talking, ship assaulting badass? In the end, we see who prevailed.

Garrus's character is nuanced without descending into the whiny "you remind me of my dead wife" craziness that Thane has, and never goes the Jacob route of going straight from "nice to meet you Shepard" to "get in my pants now."

Add that to a weird juxtaposition of calm, controlled nerves in combat with erratic, nervous tendencies when approaching relationships and you have a damn interesting character. Who just also happens to be a badass Turian space Batman.

Modifié par AgentMulder5, 19 février 2012 - 08:34 .

[Deviant Ingredient]

Hi. First time posting in this thread but have been lurking for awhile now. I simply adore Garrus and agree with what people here are saying. He's always in my squad in ME2 (never finished ME1 being a PS3 player) and definitely think he's a well thought out character. I squeed all over the place when I saw him in the demo.

[Shinobu]

jellobell wrote...

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

Because if you compare his content with Jacob’s and Thane’s you could tell who they assumed the fangirls were going to flock to most. The effort put in was clearly very uneven .Enough time to give Jacob unique romance dialogue after the SM but not enough time to give poor garrus more than 3 conversations? To this day I wish I could of been a fly on the wall when they found out they completely dropped the ball with who they thought was going to be the fangirl favourite (Jacob) . It really says something if fans would rather go for the a giant grasshopper that does calibrations all the damn time instead of the guy you can have like 9 conversations with (I included the post SM)AND you can see with his shirt off.

Yeah, I hope that Garrus gets more dialogue this time around, especially now that they realize how much of a fan-favourite he is.

In retrospect, I'm very glad that he wasn't an LI right from the start. The thing that bugs me about a bunch of Bioware romances is the awkward way that the relationships go from "aquaintances" to "soulmates" in the span of a few weeks, which I found most noticeable in Thane's romance. The relationship between Garrus and Shepard really benefitted from a whole game's worth of character development before they started seeing each other as more than friends.

Oooh, I just rediscovered This shipping manifesto for Garrus and Shepard. It's very well-written and worth a read.

Thanks for the link! That was a great read and made me all "d'awww."

I never knew there was post-SM romance dialogue with Jacob. I just played his romance to the Omega-4 relay, then quit during the SM because I didn't want a savegame with his romance flagged.

Welcome, Deviant Ingredient! I mostly lurk here, too, and everyone is awesome.

Modifié par Shinobu, 19 février 2012 - 02:03 .

[outmane]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

  It's like the best romances options they make are unintentional and I think that's the appeal of Garrus. No way in his design was he ever intended to be an obvious sexy character to women. So talking him didn't feel like there was a constant flashing sign above his head that said "Hey, I'm a love interest". You got to know him as a character first and romantic availability wasn’t an integral part of it like the others.  While I love Thane for example (second favourite) I am aware he came into existence because the series needed a “male asari” for the ladies to appreciate. And while I do appreciate that aspect of him (a great deal in fact!) I question if decisions made about his character were only done to make him intentionally appealing to women instead of doing what’s best for him as a character in his own right.

Girl you are so right. Even if Garrus got shorted on dialogue options, it still feels comfortable to hang around him and bring him on missions (thats where his best quips are). Making him a bro first and then a LI was the best decision. Garrus definitly has more to offer then being Shep's boytoy. Thats why it feels so 'normal' to have him around for all 3 games.

[outmane]

Deviant Ingredient wrote...

Hi. First time posting in this thread but have been lurking for awhile now. I simply adore Garrus and agree with what people here are saying. He's always in my squad in ME2 (never finished ME1 being a PS3 player) and definitely think he's a well thought out character. I squeed all over the place when I saw him in the demo.

Welcome!

With ME3 coming so fast its nice to have Garrus fans stop and say hi! 

[outmane]

AgentMulder5 wrote...

Hyrule_Gal wrote...
[insert stuff here]

I think it goes to show you that most players of Mass Effect pursue relationships based on the content of the character and not the color of the fringe. I think Bioware was right to be hesitant about the whole concept of "blowing off steam" because taken at face value, who'd take a spiky silver bird thing over your stereotypical smooth talking, ship assaulting badass? In the end, we see who prevailed.

Garrus's character is nuanced without descending into the whiny "you remind me of my dead wife" craziness that Thane has, and never goes the Jacob route of going straight from "nice to meet you Shepard" to "get in my pants now."

Add that to a weird juxtaposition of calm, controlled nerves in combat with erratic, nervous tendencies when approaching relationships and you have a damn interesting character. Who just also happens to be a badass Turian space Batman.

Thats one thing I appreciate. Garrus can be vulnerable without resorting to the old Bioware story mecanism <my wife died, I dont know if I can love again>. 

Also, I find Garrus does the classic ME routine < I dont like red tape> better then Jacob. Maybe because he is more impulsive so it makes sense he feels that way. Jacob is so passive-agressive about it. (I actually like Jacob's concept of the <good soldier> but his moral highground falls to pieces pretty fast).

[Damate]

jellobell wrote...

Oooh, I just rediscovered This shipping manifesto for Garrus and Shepard. It's very well-written and worth a read.

^ That was really well done, thanks for the link!

And - from someone who came late to the party - thanks to all you fans who were vocal about your love for Garrus since back when ME1 first came out! I'd still love the game even if Garrus wasn't an LI... but, without it, I don't think I'd have nearly the personal attachment/emotional investment with my Shep.

[Mims]

I love the fact that Garrus has had relationships with other women in the past, and yet none of them have miraculously died. This is a depressingly rare thing.

[jellobell]

Mims wrote...

I love the fact that Garrus has had relationships with other women in the past, and yet none of them have miraculously died. This is a depressingly rare thing.

I know! Bioware is overly fond of the Dead Girlfriend/Wife trope. Nearly all their male love interests have had a woman they loved stuffed in a freezer at some point.

Carth from KOTOR
Sky from Jade Empire (bonus points for losing his daughter as well)
Zevran from Dragon Age
Kaidan (sort of)
Thane

Geez, that's a lot.

[Alittlekitty]

jellobell wrote...

Mims wrote...

I love the fact that Garrus has had relationships with other women in the past, and yet none of them have miraculously died. This is a depressingly rare thing.

I know! Bioware is overly fond of the Dead Girlfriend/Wife trope. Nearly all their male love interests have had a woman they loved stuffed in a freezer at some point.

Carth from KOTOR
Sky from Jade Empire (bonus points for losing his daughter as well)
Zevran from Dragon Age
Kaidan (sort of)
Thane

Geez, that's a lot.

Makes you wonder if some of the developers had really creepy stalker ex-girlfriends or something like that... o_O

[outmane]

jellobell wrote...

Mims wrote...

I love the fact that Garrus has had relationships with other women in the past, and yet none of them have miraculously died. This is a depressingly rare thing.

I know! Bioware is overly fond of the Dead Girlfriend/Wife trope. Nearly all their male love interests have had a woman they loved stuffed in a freezer at some point.

Carth from KOTOR
Sky from Jade Empire (bonus points for losing his daughter as well)
Zevran from Dragon Age
Kaidan (sort of)
Thane

Geez, that's a lot.

Are you putting Kaidan on that list because Shep died ?

[jellobell]

outmane wrote...

Are you putting Kaidan on that list because Shep died ?

No, I was actually talking about the girl from BAaT, who didn't exactly die but she had the same purpose as a Dead Girlfriend would, i.e. serving as some cheap drama and making him wary of loving again.

[outmane]

jellobell wrote...

outmane wrote...

Are you putting Kaidan on that list because Shep died ?

No, I was actually talking about the girl from BAaT, who didn't exactly die but she had the same purpose as a Dead Girlfriend would, i.e. serving as some cheap drama and making him wary of loving again.

I see. Well Im not sure i agree with you on that one but I do appreciate that the stuff we learn Garrus lovelife is actually positive stuff instead of melodramtic (which fits both the Bioware standard and Kaidan's story). I dont like to feel like a character is interested in Shep (or any playable character from other games) simply because he cant have that other woman. It can be a cool story once, but then it does get old.

[Shinobu]

jellobell wrote...

outmane wrote...

Are you putting Kaidan on that list because Shep died ?

No, I was actually talking about the girl from BAaT, who didn't exactly die but she had the same purpose as a Dead Girlfriend would, i.e. serving as some cheap drama and making him wary of loving again.

There's also Valen Shadowbreath from NWN:HotU. If I remember correctly, he not only lost his love, he killed her.
Same with Aribeth from NWN. She didn't kill her boyfriend, but had to arrest him, then watch him be executed for treason.