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[PalAvian]

I'm not really a "sucker for that kind of thing" but I think it's consistent with Garrus's character. Some things come easily to him, others don't. Close relationships in general just don't seem to be one of those things that he has a lot of practice with; he doesn't have any close friends except for Shepard, and he cares for his family but can only show it indirectly. He's been a soldier all his life, he's good at it, and he knows it. He's most comfortable when he's talking trash or shooting things. Deep down, Garrus is very insecure about relationships and assumes that he'll ruin everything, which makes him try way too hard when he eventually decides to go for it. He figures that if he puts in a ton of extra effort that it'll be less likely to blow up on him.

I’m sure that I don’t need to say that I didn’t implied that you are one of those girls, it’s just a known fact that plenty of girls like the fluffy, lovey, rainbows and bunnies thing... otherwise ghastly chick flicks wouldn’t exist

Going back to the main issue; but! but you’re interpretation of it comes after the fact that you played the game and analyzed the ‘reasons’. If you pretend for minute non of the romance happened (the way it happened) the writers could had taken it in a complete different direction and it would still ‘fit’ because they would make it fit (otherwise it would make no sense or put people off). And don’t get me wrong, I’m agreeing with you that it fits as it is. But I still think that the more assertive route would fit him even better and would require less analyzing, if that makes sense?

[PalAvian]

outmane wrote...

The way I see it, Garrus isnt nervous about the sex in itself. His description of blowing off steam with the female scout even makes you think hes pretty ok about talking about sex more or less openly. What makes him nervous is the fact that its Shepard and that she's a human.

The awkward part can be cute for a while but hopefully Garrus goes back to normal. And by normal I mean extraordinary badass and snarktastic.

Oh dear lord, a million times ^ this!

[YvetteAngel]

Demonhoopa wrote...

outmane wrote...

PalAvian wrote...

@ jellobell + @ outmane : One day I might, but after the bad aftertaste left by Skyrim I don’t know if a can handle another game with a similar sort of theme. At least for a while.

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@ jellobell: About Garrus romance... he’s award because he’s been written that way. He didn’t have to act like that, the guy is pretty assertive on everything else so don’t know why he would act differently in this sort of situation. Granted, it creates a contrast that makes the whole deal cute and some girls are suckers for that kind of thing so I guess that’s why they went with that.

The way I see it, Garrus isnt nervous about the sex in itself. His description of blowing off steam with the female scout even makes you think hes pretty ok about talking about sex more or less openly. What makes him nervous is the fact that its Shepard and that she's a human.

The awkward part can be cute for a while but hopefully Garrus goes back to normal. And by normal I mean extraordinary badass and snarktastic.

This this this! And that's what makes the romance interesting. I mean, I'm a dude that plays femshep simply because I prefer the character to the male model but still see the appeal of the Garrus romance. It's funny but kind of sweet.

Lately I've been seeing this more and more, guys playing femshep romancing Garrus.  And I imagine it's not just Jennifer Hale's more interesting take over Meer's, but indeed...... the writers created a 1-in-a-million character in Garrus.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

If BioWare announced they were making a LI specifically for the type of characters I like to play... that would be awesome! I'd make a playthrough for that right away. But when they make one for women in general... eh, it's a hit-or-miss. We don't always (or in my case, I should say rarely) like the same thing.

PalAvian wrote...

Tell me about it! How the line goes? ‘Actually I’m just interested in talking for a bit’, but it’s not the words is how she says them, is like WTF is wrong with you woman!

I goes something like this, actually.

*ASSUMNG CONTROL*
FemShep: *gets on table and leans back* I'm more interested in just talking for a bit.
*RELEASING CONTROL*
FemShep: ...What the hell just happened here?!



Also, I think you guys have described the Garrus romance very well and said just about everything I would have, so I don't have much to add. I'll just answer the question of "if BioWare could have done the romance differently from the start, would you have wanted them to?" For me, definitely not. I love how adorable and awkward he is with FemShep. If their relationship was overly sexual the way Zevran's was, I wouldn't have liked it. Sure, that FemShep still wants to hook up with Garrus, but I as the player would not have enjoyed it. That's just not my thing at all. I want to see sweet scenes, and a lot of emotion between characters.

(I hope this doesn't sound like I have anything against Zevran's romance. I have Wardens planned for him. He's just not my personal taste, that's all. For the record, neither is Alistair. My favorite videogame romances tend to be a good balance of sweet and badass, without any scenes that make me want to divert my attention elsewhere.)

Modifié par The Sarendoctrinator, 23 février 2012 - 11:21 .

[PalAvian]

YvetteAngel wrote...

Exactly.  He better treat me like a turian female in the Normandy suite, from here on out, goddammit! Lol
 

You're killing me!

[jellobell]

shygravel wrote...

But for all the awkwardness, I like that there are little gems of definite interest/determination/anticipation that shine through. Like the inflection of his voice when the romance dialogues have been initiated and Shep goes to talk to him again.
'Do yo have a moment to talk?'
'Definitely...'
Seriously, just the way it's said gets me everytime. It's all the difference between making him so awkward that it's uncomfortable.. and making him - for lack of a better term - human. Of greater depth.

This! I love the way you wrote that. And yeah, that "Definitely" sends shivers down my spine. You can just hear the anticipation in the way he says it, especially since the word almost sounds like a purr at the end. I think that's what Garrus sounds when he's in "seduction-mode". He really needs to use his sexy (well sexy-er anyways) voice more in ME3.

PalAvian wrote...

I’m sure that I don’t need to say that I didn’t implied that you are one of those girls, it’s just a known fact that plenty of girls like the fluffy, lovey, rainbows and bunnies thing... otherwise ghastly chick flicks wouldn’t exist

Oh don't worry, that wasn't a dig at your choice of words, I was just giving some context for where I was coming from. I'm not usually a huge fan of fluff.

[outmane]

shygravel wrote...

@Outmane: I think some of the awkwardness remains in ME3, but there is definite progression of the romance as a whole and how they come to interact/work off each other. Which I'm cool with, if that's how it turns out to be!

Personaly, I have no problem with the interspecies awkwrdnes. Im sure my Shepard doenst instinctively know what Turians like or dislike or what is considered rude for them, etc.

I just want him to act weird around my shep all the time. which Im sure wont happen because Garrus is very professionnal and mission-oriented on the battlefield (and because tis the same things hes gonna say during missions for unromanced sheps) So I guess its pretty much a non-problem.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

jellobell wrote...

shygravel wrote...

But for all the awkwardness, I like that there are little gems of definite interest/determination/anticipation that shine through. Like the inflection of his voice when the romance dialogues have been initiated and Shep goes to talk to him again.
'Do yo have a moment to talk?'
'Definitely...'
Seriously, just the way it's said gets me everytime. It's all the difference between making him so awkward that it's uncomfortable.. and making him - for lack of a better term - human. Of greater depth.

This! I love the way you wrote that. And yeah, that "Definitely" sends shivers down my spine. You can just hear the anticipation in the way he says it, especially since the word almost sounds like a purr at the end. I think that's what Garrus sounds when he's in "seduction-mode". He really needs to use his sexy (well sexy-er anyways) voice more in ME3.

It's things like this that make me wonder how some people can think that Garrus is only going along with the romance because FemShep wants it. I mean, he just sounds so into it.

[jellobell]

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

I mean, he just sounds so into it.

Wouldn't you be? Shepard's so badass that I've always had a bit of a girl-crush on her. 

[outmane]

jellobell wrote...

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

I mean, he just sounds so into it.

Wouldn't you be? Shepard's so badass that I've always had a bit of a girl-crush on her. 

Thats an understatement. The girl really rocks.

Modifié par outmane, 23 février 2012 - 11:35 .

[PalAvian]

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

It's things like this that make me wonder how some people can think that Garrus is only going along with the romance because FemShep wants it. I mean, he just sounds so into it.

Oh you’re hitting a nerve for me there... allow me to explain. I’m very new to the franchise, in fact I can tell you that my first playthrough as femshep is dated jan 15th, hence I still remember vividly those first impressions when playing the romance for the first time. It did feel like he wasn’t into it and like he was agreeing because a) he didn’t want to disappoint Shepard or he didn’t want to say no to her.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

jellobell wrote...

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

I mean, he just sounds so into it.

Wouldn't you be? Shepard's so badass that I've always had a bit of a girl-crush on her. 

Well, not my FemSheps. But if Carson (my crazy fun Earthborn/Ruthless Renegon Vanguard) was a LI, I would create a FemShep to romance him (oh wait, I already did - I planned out a Jayne Shepard to be his girlfriend in my headcanon) and play her through both games really fast, and I'm sure a few girls from the Thane thread would do the same. xD I wrote a bunch of dialogues for him and posted them there. He's quite popular now.

[Damate]

jellobell wrote...

shygravel wrote...

But for all the awkwardness, I like that there are little gems of definite interest/determination/anticipation that shine through. Like the inflection of his voice when the romance dialogues have been initiated and Shep goes to talk to him again.
'Do yo have a moment to talk?'
'Definitely...'
Seriously, just the way it's said gets me everytime. It's all the difference between making him so awkward that it's uncomfortable.. and making him - for lack of a better term - human. Of greater depth.

This! I love the way you wrote that. And yeah, that "Definitely" sends shivers down my spine. You can just hear the anticipation in the way he says it, especially since the word almost sounds like a purr at the end. I think that's what Garrus sounds when he's in "seduction-mode". He really needs to use his sexy (well sexy-er anyways) voice more in ME3.

More of the sexier (sexiest) sexy voice you say?  Why, yes please!

But yeah, as per Sarendoc's addition: I don't understand how people can fail to see that there's way more going on there than just 'a fling' or, worse, Garrus just 'going along with it' But, really, everyone brings their own perception - 'reality' so to speak - to the table. Unfortunately some people also feel an express need to knock something if they don't like it themselves: c'est la vie!

@Outmane: I really like that the whole inter-species thing isn't just ignored. It really should be an issue and I'm glad Bioware acknowledges it (even more so that they threw in those Mordin gems to go with it ). Obviously I'm willign to be it can be surpased, but it would cheapen the situation to pretend there weren't potential issues. Physical, social, etc.  (hell, I wish Bioware would show more social repercussions... but, hey, if the ME universe just happens to be highly accepting of diverse forms of relationships, who am I to complain?)

[YvetteAngel]

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

jellobell wrote...

shygravel wrote...

But for all the awkwardness, I like that there are little gems of definite interest/determination/anticipation that shine through. Like the inflection of his voice when the romance dialogues have been initiated and Shep goes to talk to him again.
'Do yo have a moment to talk?'
'Definitely...'
Seriously, just the way it's said gets me everytime. It's all the difference between making him so awkward that it's uncomfortable.. and making him - for lack of a better term - human. Of greater depth.

This! I love the way you wrote that. And yeah, that "Definitely" sends shivers down my spine. You can just hear the anticipation in the way he says it, especially since the word almost sounds like a purr at the end. I think that's what Garrus sounds when he's in "seduction-mode". He really needs to use his sexy (well sexy-er anyways) voice more in ME3.

It's things like this that make me wonder how some people can think that Garrus is only going along with the romance because FemShep wants it. I mean, he just sounds so into it.

shygravel, I really like your post too.

How could so much come out of so little of a conversation as they had?  We all certainly "got" it, and I hope we get to find more gems in the next story!

[The Sarendoctrinator]

PalAvian wrote...

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

It's things like this that make me wonder how some people can think that Garrus is only going along with the romance because FemShep wants it. I mean, he just sounds so into it.

Oh you’re hitting a nerve for me there... allow me to explain. I’m very new to the franchise, in fact I can tell you that my first playthrough as femshep is dated jan 15th, hence I still remember vividly those first impressions when playing the romance for the first time. It did feel like he wasn’t into it and like he was agreeing because a) he didn’t want to disappoint Shepard or he didn’t want to say no to her.

But that was just first impressions and you realized later that he does have feelings for her... right? I'm talking about the people who play through his whole romance and still can't see it, or just don't bother to play it/watch it on youtube at all to be better informed.

I thought it was obvious from the start by his tone of voice, but I'm really used to analyzing this sort of thing in my own characters as well.

[PalAvian]

jellobell wrote...
Oh don't worry, that wasn't a dig at your choice of words, I was just giving some context for where I was coming from. I'm not usually a huge fan of fluff.

Nooo worries then! Neither am I a fan of the fluff, but I’m guessing that’s yet another thing I don’t need to tell you

[AgentMulder5]

Would this be a bad time to mention that I unlocked the turian when I first signed in?

[jellobell]

shygravel wrote...
(hell, I wish Bioware would show more social repercussions... but, hey, if the ME universe just happens to be highly accepting of diverse forms of relationships, who am I to complain?)

Same here. I'd love to see some reactions to a human/turian pairing, especially from that one turian councilmember or that Terra Firma bigot guy, just so I can get my Shepard to tear them apart. Besides, one of my favourite things about Bioware games is their (to borrow a phrase) "sheer head-crushing depth". I'm always going to want to learn more about the world of Mass Effect, and any new information about the society and culture of the ME galaxy is welcome.

[YvetteAngel]

AgentMulder5 wrote...

Would this be a bad time to mention that I unlocked the turian when I first signed in?

I officially hate you<3<3And by hate, I mean SO JEALOUS!!!  

*crying

Modifié par YvetteAngel, 23 février 2012 - 11:48 .

[PalAvian]

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

But that was just first impressions and you realized later that he does have feelings for her... right? I'm talking about the people who play through his whole romance and still can't see it, or just don't bother to play it/watch it on youtube at all to be better informed.

I thought it was obvious from the start by his tone of voice, but I'm really used to analyzing this sort of thing in my own characters as well.

Yes and no. I think a poster somewhere (can’t remember where I read it) said it better. You don’t get to know how he really feels until you reject him.

[YvetteAngel]

PalAvian wrote...

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

But that was just first impressions and you realized later that he does have feelings for her... right? I'm talking about the people who play through his whole romance and still can't see it, or just don't bother to play it/watch it on youtube at all to be better informed.

I thought it was obvious from the start by his tone of voice, but I'm really used to analyzing this sort of thing in my own characters as well.

Yes and no. I think a poster somewhere (can’t remember where I read it) said it better. You don’t get to know how he really feels until you reject him.

I don't understand.  Is there more dialogue for Garrus if you reject him after you get his interest, unlike the other characters rejection reactions?  Wow I made that sentence come out weird.

Modifié par YvetteAngel, 23 février 2012 - 11:54 .

[SoulShiver]

About the romance it seems obvious how much Garrus likes Shep if you reject him pre-omega4 (I did click it once to see what happens, I wish I didn't, poor Garrus.)

Also @AgentMulder5 I'm so jealous of that luck.

[Demonhoopa]

PalAvian wrote...

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

It's things like this that make me wonder how some people can think that Garrus is only going along with the romance because FemShep wants it. I mean, he just sounds so into it.

Oh you’re hitting a nerve for me there... allow me to explain. I’m very new to the franchise, in fact I can tell you that my first playthrough as femshep is dated jan 15th, hence I still remember vividly those first impressions when playing the romance for the first time. It did feel like he wasn’t into it and like he was agreeing because a) he didn’t want to disappoint Shepard or he didn’t want to say no to her.

I think it kind of evolves. Something like this.

After initial suggestion: "Well....why not? Can't say I have a human fetish but you're about the best friend (only friend) I have. So yeah. Hell yeah".

Next Talk: "I really want this. Lets do it" 

Night of Suicide Mission: "This is the only good thing in my miserable life. I don't want to screw this up. Please have my weird looking human/turian babies". 

[legionthegeth]

I found it funny.

[outmane]

PalAvian wrote...

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

It's things like this that make me wonder how some people can think that Garrus is only going along with the romance because FemShep wants it. I mean, he just sounds so into it.

Oh you’re hitting a nerve for me there... allow me to explain. I’m very new to the franchise, in fact I can tell you that my first playthrough as femshep is dated jan 15th, hence I still remember vividly those first impressions when playing the romance for the first time. It did feel like he wasn’t into it and like he was agreeing because a) he didn’t want to disappoint Shepard or he didn’t want to say no to her.

I think this feeling is fully intended by the writers. they wanted to create that anxiety about wher the relationship was heading and if it was a good idea to persue it.