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[CrazyIvan93]

 ............................Garrus<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3:wub:

Modifié par CrazyIvan93, 24 février 2012 - 02:12 .

[LadyVakarian]

I was just playing ME1 again... never realized how often this happened:

[The Sarendoctrinator]

Poor Garrus. That happened at least once for me in ME1. I had to go find my squadmates after the battle was over.

Cowards.

[LadyVakarian]

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

Poor Garrus. That happened at least once for me in ME1. I had to go find my squadmates after the battle was over.

Cowards.

I always thought that this was perfect! I mean, c'mon Garrus, it's a giant green button! 

[The Sarendoctrinator]

My squadmates wouldn't even get stuck behind doors. They'd just stop following me. I found them standing in the middle of a room. *facepalm* xD

[CrazyIvan93]

LadyVakarian wrote...

I was just playing ME1 again... never realized how often this happened:

:wub:DAWWWWwwww.... that happened to him so many times in Noveria. Poor Gawwus 

[YvetteAngel]

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

My squadmates wouldn't even get stuck behind doors. They'd just stop following me. I found them standing in the middle of a room. *facepalm* xD

I'd be running like a maniac trying to get out of hell, and there would be no Garrus behind me, then I'd have to backtrack miles and find him stuck behind a glass wall lookin all cool.

[DarthEmpress]

PalAvian wrote...

jellobell wrote...

Well the romance has to have somewhere to go in ME3. If we got everything we wanted in ME2 then there could be no improvement in the final act. 

I‘m really hoping you‘re right (crossing all my fingers and toes)
But look a Tali romance which I did with maleShep, can you believe it? At the time I didn’t even know that Tali and Garrus were that popular, I just went with what I fancied. Her romance, still in the cute department, but better rounded up. You can tell both are into it. Tali is all giddy and stuff and pretty much looking forward to it. Then what Kasumi tells you just underscores what you already know by interacting with Tali herself. How do I get to hear that Garrus likes shep? From him? No... Kasumi.

I think this really fits Garrus' character, the whole not showing his feelings thing.  Garrus is very different from Tali.  Tali is all rainbows and sunshine and giggly girl crushing.  I mean, EVERYONE was commenting on her feelings for Manshep.  She did not keep it a secret AT ALL.  Garrus, on the other hand, is far more cautious with his feelings.  I don't know if it's typical for Turians to be less "emotional" or if it's just Garrus, but I don't think he's a guy who's comfortable expressing how he really feels.  I think in a sense he fears rejection and "things going wrong" because he's been so disappointed and beaten down.  So if he really feels strongly about Shepard then I see this as very in character for him to not act all Tali-like during the romance.  Plus, he's a pessimist so he's probably constantly thinking "oh crap she's going to reject me at some point I should be prepared"...

Also, the way Kasumi says "Garrus likes you" implies that she notices an attraction there that Garrus apparently doesn't realize until Shepard expresses interest <3  I really think he has feelings for her, but because of his pessimism (towards himsefl), lack of interest in non-Turians, and "career-minded" focus, he never acknowledged them.

[Shinobu]

YvetteAngel wrote...

PalAvian wrote...

Yes and no. I think a poster somewhere (can’t remember where I read it) said it better. You don’t get to know how he really feels until you reject him.

I don't understand.  Is there more dialogue for Garrus if you reject him after you get his interest, unlike the other characters rejection reactions?  Wow I made that sentence come out weird.

Here is a post I made in the "Why are there never attrractive male aliens" thread that has links to all the breakups. The first one (Intimate moment) is not scarring -- I actually find it amusing. The second is a bit more disappointed and the last one... well, you know. I do feel the way Shep treats him during the final breakup is actually more respectful than the "let's do this" or paragon interrupt.

Shinobu wrote...

GodWood wrote...

It
honestly baffles me as to why so many females like Garrus as a romance
option. Yes, he's a pretty cool dude but unfortunately his romance is
pretty poor.

Yes it did have the potential to be something
quite deep by exploring how two people could develop affections for one
another despite their biological barriers and so on, but instead it was
just "lol, wanna bang?" "Yeah ok." With some silly innuendo thrown
in.

You can interpret the romance that way if you want.
To me it feels like two best friends who are scared to death of ruining
their current relationship by trying for more, so they make light of the
situation until the end. Neither one strikes me as a habitual xenophile
-- Garrus admits he's never considered having sex outside his species
before. Their attraction is based more on mutual support rather than
"hot alien -- tap that!" Garrus has second thoughts once the situation
seems "real" to him and gives Shepard every opportunity to back out. No
matter what she decides he constantly affirms that he'll "be there" for
her whenever she needs him. Who wouldn't find that moving?

Shepard backs out #1 (intimate moment)
Shepard continues the relationship (interspecies awkwardness/pop the heat sink)

Shepard backs out #2 (risky enough)
Shepard continues the relationship #2 (okay, that sounded bad)

Shepard dumps him in her quarters (would've torn a ligament... or something)
Shepard "Let's do this" (you're talking too much)
Shepard paragon interrupt (smooth talker)

I
think if you just follow through on the romance without knowing what
happens if she dumps him it does seem shallow (Shepard's go-ahead lines
in the final scene make me cringe), but knowing how they interact when
things don't work out is informative. (Mutual regret, reaffirmation of
friendship.) I wish Shepard could call it off in ME2 and pick it up
after the suicide mission or -- in ME3 when she can actually admit that
it *means something*.

And basically I agree with everything that everyone has said in the last 4 pages. Go Team!

Modifié par Shinobu, 24 février 2012 - 02:54 .

[Shinobu]

SuranaMage wrote...

I think this really fits Garrus' character, the whole not showing his feelings thing.  Garrus is very different from Tali.  Tali is all rainbows and sunshine and giggly girl crushing.  I mean, EVERYONE was commenting on her feelings for Manshep.  She did not keep it a secret AT ALL.  Garrus, on the other hand, is far more cautious with his feelings.  I don't know if it's typical for Turians to be less "emotional" or if it's just Garrus, but I don't think he's a guy who's comfortable expressing how he really feels.  I think in a sense he fears rejection and "things going wrong" because he's been so disappointed and beaten down.  So if he really feels strongly about Shepard then I see this as very in character for him to not act all Tali-like during the romance.  Plus, he's a pessimist so he's probably constantly thinking "oh crap she's going to reject me at some point I should be prepared"...

Also, the way Kasumi says "Garrus likes you" implies that she notices an attraction there that Garrus apparently doesn't realize until Shepard expresses interest <3  I really think he has feelings for her, but because of his pessimism (towards himsefl), lack of interest in non-Turians, and "career-minded" focus, he never acknowledged them.

I totally agree. I think Garrus is kind of reticent about expressing his feelings. His conversation with Solana is so telling -- you can see that he's worried about his mother and yet he doesn't go into it at all. Poor guy.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

SuranaMage wrote...

Garrus, on the other hand, is far more cautious with his feelings.  I don't know if it's typical for Turians to be less "emotional" or if it's just Garrus, but I don't think he's a guy who's comfortable expressing how he really feels.  I think in a sense he fears rejection and "things going wrong" because he's been so disappointed and beaten down.  So if he really feels strongly about Shepard then I see this as very in character for him to not act all Tali-like during the romance.  Plus, he's a pessimist so he's probably constantly thinking "oh crap she's going to reject me at some point I should be prepared"...

I think some of it might have to do with turian culture. I won't say why I think this, because it's from a spoiler dialogue.

I agree that Garrus is probably the type who would be thinking that FemShep would eventually reject him, as if something that good couldn't possibly happen to him. And I have a FemShep who will gladly prove him wrong!

[LadyVakarian]

Shinobu wrote...

SuranaMage wrote...

I think this really fits Garrus' character, the whole not showing his feelings thing.  Garrus is very different from Tali.  Tali is all rainbows and sunshine and giggly girl crushing.  I mean, EVERYONE was commenting on her feelings for Manshep.  She did not keep it a secret AT ALL.  Garrus, on the other hand, is far more cautious with his feelings.  I don't know if it's typical for Turians to be less "emotional" or if it's just Garrus, but I don't think he's a guy who's comfortable expressing how he really feels.  I think in a sense he fears rejection and "things going wrong" because he's been so disappointed and beaten down.  So if he really feels strongly about Shepard then I see this as very in character for him to not act all Tali-like during the romance.  Plus, he's a pessimist so he's probably constantly thinking "oh crap she's going to reject me at some point I should be prepared"...

Also, the way Kasumi says "Garrus likes you" implies that she notices an attraction there that Garrus apparently doesn't realize until Shepard expresses interest <3  I really think he has feelings for her, but because of his pessimism (towards himsefl), lack of interest in non-Turians, and "career-minded" focus, he never acknowledged them.

I totally agree. I think Garrus is kind of reticent about expressing his feelings. His conversation with Solana is so telling -- you can see that he's worried about his mother and yet he doesn't go into it at all. Poor guy.

I think this has a lot to do with his father. He said that his dad was always very, "by the book" so to speak. Maybe this was true in his home life as well.  I could just see a younger Garrus always trying to seek approval from his father, but never QUITE getting there. This would explain why he is uncomfortable with opening up. Who knows, his momma could have been battling this disease for a long time and he felt like he could never talk to anyone, let alone his own father.  Poor Garrus!

[outmane]

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

SuranaMage wrote...

Garrus, on the other hand, is far more cautious with his feelings.  I don't know if it's typical for Turians to be less "emotional" or if it's just Garrus, but I don't think he's a guy who's comfortable expressing how he really feels.  I think in a sense he fears rejection and "things going wrong" because he's been so disappointed and beaten down.  So if he really feels strongly about Shepard then I see this as very in character for him to not act all Tali-like during the romance.  Plus, he's a pessimist so he's probably constantly thinking "oh crap she's going to reject me at some point I should be prepared"...

I think some of it might have to do with turian culture. I won't say why I think this, because it's from a spoiler dialogue.

I agree that Garrus is probably the type who would be thinking that FemShep would eventually reject him, as if something that good couldn't possibly happen to him. And I have a FemShep who will gladly prove him wrong!

OMG! could it mean that we will learn more about Turian culture in ME3 ?! I cant wait 

[LadyVakarian]

outmane wrote...

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

SuranaMage wrote...

Garrus, on the other hand, is far more cautious with his feelings.  I don't know if it's typical for Turians to be less "emotional" or if it's just Garrus, but I don't think he's a guy who's comfortable expressing how he really feels.  I think in a sense he fears rejection and "things going wrong" because he's been so disappointed and beaten down.  So if he really feels strongly about Shepard then I see this as very in character for him to not act all Tali-like during the romance.  Plus, he's a pessimist so he's probably constantly thinking "oh crap she's going to reject me at some point I should be prepared"...

I think some of it might have to do with turian culture. I won't say why I think this, because it's from a spoiler dialogue.

I agree that Garrus is probably the type who would be thinking that FemShep would eventually reject him, as if something that good couldn't possibly happen to him. And I have a FemShep who will gladly prove him wrong!

OMG! could it mean that we will learn more about Turian culture in ME3 ?! I cant wait 

[DarthEmpress]

LadyVakarian wrote...

Shinobu wrote...

SuranaMage wrote...

I think this really fits Garrus' character, the whole not showing his feelings thing.  Garrus is very different from Tali.  Tali is all rainbows and sunshine and giggly girl crushing.  I mean, EVERYONE was commenting on her feelings for Manshep.  She did not keep it a secret AT ALL.  Garrus, on the other hand, is far more cautious with his feelings.  I don't know if it's typical for Turians to be less "emotional" or if it's just Garrus, but I don't think he's a guy who's comfortable expressing how he really feels.  I think in a sense he fears rejection and "things going wrong" because he's been so disappointed and beaten down.  So if he really feels strongly about Shepard then I see this as very in character for him to not act all Tali-like during the romance.  Plus, he's a pessimist so he's probably constantly thinking "oh crap she's going to reject me at some point I should be prepared"...

Also, the way Kasumi says "Garrus likes you" implies that she notices an attraction there that Garrus apparently doesn't realize until Shepard expresses interest <3  I really think he has feelings for her, but because of his pessimism (towards himsefl), lack of interest in non-Turians, and "career-minded" focus, he never acknowledged them.

I totally agree. I think Garrus is kind of reticent about expressing his feelings. His conversation with Solana is so telling -- you can see that he's worried about his mother and yet he doesn't go into it at all. Poor guy.

I think this has a lot to do with his father. He said that his dad was always very, "by the book" so to speak. Maybe this was true in his home life as well.  I could just see a younger Garrus always trying to seek approval from his father, but never QUITE getting there. This would explain why he is uncomfortable with opening up. Who knows, his momma could have been battling this disease for a long time and he felt like he could never talk to anyone, let alone his own father.  Poor Garrus!

 I know!  He holds a lot in and I bet it has a lot to do with his father...  I mean, he doesn't even tell Shepard, the person he trusts the most in the entire galaxy, that his mother is ill!  It's like he thinks he can hold it all in himself.

@Saren:  Could you please share some of the spoilerly Turain stuffs?  I don't seem to find it in my version of the leaks!

And this gif kind of sums up Garrus and Femshep's first romantic interaction 

 

[LadyVakarian]

SuranaMage wrote...
 I know!  He holds a lot in and I bet it has a lot to do with his father...  I mean, he doesn't even tell Shepard, the person he trusts the most in the entire galaxy, that his mother is ill!  It's like he thinks he can hold it all in himself.

@Saren:  Could you please share some of the spoilerly Turain stuffs?  I don't seem to find it in my version of the leaks!

And this gif kind of sums up Garrus and Femshep's first romantic interaction 

 

LOL! Love the .gif!  And as much as I am trying to keep myself in the dark, I cannot help but ask to see some spoilery stuff as well!


Back to the father stuff *cough*  I agree completely SuranaMage, he didn't even open up THAT much to FemShep about his home. If LotSB wasn't introduced I wouldn't know his mom was sick or that he even had a sister! 

Modifié par LadyVakarian, 24 février 2012 - 03:21 .

[jellobell]

There's a thread called "Why are there never attractive male aliens"?  Geez, some people are never satisfied. We have two quite attractive Malien LIs.

Reminds me of back when Thane was announced and the whole Garrus thread panicked because we thought that he was designed to replace Garrus. Then Eradyn created my single favourite post on the old boards (which I managed to locate before Bioware nuked them).

Eradyn wrote...
It's my fear as well...but it just makes NO sense.

=================

BW DEV 1: Holy Lord in heaven, the forum's swarming!

 

BW Dev 2: With what? Viruses? Malware? DoS attacks?

 

BW DEV 1: No, *shudders* worse! Rabid fangirls!

 

BW DEV 2: W-What do they want?

 

BW DEV 1: They're demanding Garrus.

 

BW DEV 2: WHAT? No way.

 

BW DEV 1: Way.

 

BW DEV 2: Pft. It'll go away in a couple of weeks.
Fangirls are a fickle bunch.

 

BW DEV 1: *nods*

 

---1 year later---

 

BW DEV 1: *in falsetto* "Oh, it'll go away in a
couple of weeks, fangirls are fickle!" *prances around in a demeaning
caricature of Dev 2*

 

BW DEV 2: *glares* Okay, so we miscalculated Garrus'
appeal. What can we do?

 

BW DEV 1: We can torment them with teasing and
double-talk until all the way through ME2's development.

 

BW DEV 2: Brilliant! Anything else?

 

BW DEV 1: Look, you know how they've been begging
and pleading for Garrus all this time?

 

BW DEV 2: *nods* Yeah? Should we make it so?

 

BW DEV 1: *snorts derisively* Are you kidding?
OBVIOUSLY they don't want Garrus. In reality they want a completely new race of
wasp/snake/fish men created to cater to their obviously non-turian desires.
Garrus is just a front for their frustrations. See, when they say "give us
Garrus," they're really saying, "please give us any male alien
romance option BUT Garrus."

 

BW DEV 2: *blinks* Ah...does that even make sense?

 

BW DEV 1: Shut up, of course it does! It's so
nonsensical it must be true!

 

BW DEV 2: Brilliant! You have convinced me with your
spotless reasoning. Let's make it so.

There. It's saved for posterity just in case the other Garrus threads are eventually taken down.

Modifié par jellobell, 24 février 2012 - 03:23 .

[LadyVakarian]

....@Sarendoctrinator... can you pm me the Garrus romance spoilers? I...can't go on!

[AlphaDormante]

Greetings, Garus thread! Tis I, a lurker-occasionally-contributor. I post today because I've recently sat down with a friend who's new to Mass Effect and, upon finding out she romanced Garrus, helped her pick apart the romance and why it's our favorite in the game. I saw that some of the discussion in this thread has been along the lines of a few topics we covered...and thought I might as well share our findings. Massive tl;dr incoming - quick, scroll faster if you want to live!

• Is Garrus Just Not Into Shep?

This is a common concern for many a Garrusmancer, and honestly, it's one I've struggled with myself. Let's face it: Garrus seems anxious and uncomfortable throughout the majority of the romance, more than once offering Shepard a way out. It's very, very easy to interpret that as a lack of interest on Garrus's part - maybe he's not really into the idea but just doesn't want to disappoint the Commander, or maybe all these concerns are his way of dropping hints that he doesn't think it can work. When we see that this is his reaction, it's in our nature to worry. He seems uncomfortable, and that makes us uncomfortable, and for some people, that feeling is strong enough to break things off.

I will say right now: for this romance, you have to dig deep to find what you're looking for. And it can be a scary thing to do with someone you're so afraid of pushing away. But, for this particular romance, what you will find is gold.

Consider: Is Garrus really the kind of person to lie just to make Shepard feel better? Would he honestly engage himself in a relationship that would make him miserable? That would endanger his relationship with Shepard?

That last question is particularly crucial. Imagine you are Garrus, and your closest friend in the galaxy, the woman you respect more than anyone, who trusts you enough to even think about this,  is propositioning you. You are flattered - but not interested. At this moment, you have two options:

1) Kindly turn her down, at the risk of feeling like an ass. She may be embarrassed, and your friendship may be strained for a while. This is unfortunate...but would it really ruin the friendship? Do you really believe she would resent you for putting her in the friendzone? Would she crush your entire relationship under her heel over it? For a friendship so solidly built on trust and respect...I would argue "no". Yes, it may be awkward for a while, and yes, you may feel awful for not being able to give her what she wants...but in the end, and once the smoke clears, the respect and trust was always there.

2) Accept her proposal, despite your misgivings. And now, you're hating every moment of it. You're locked in a relationship you didn't want just to appease her - maybe you thought you were doing good, giving her that one thing she wanted before you're both blasted to hell, but it's wrong. You're lying to her, and she's making you miserable. Who's winning? Who gets satisfaction from this? And what happens if she gets invested, so very attached to this relationship? Could you hide it forever? Would you resent her, knowing you could never leave to find your own wife and children among your species? And what if the truth came out? What would happen to the very foundation of the relationship - trust and respect - if she found out you'd been stringing her along the entire time? That she was making you miserable?

Garrus's reaction to the proposal was stricken and hurried, so it's probable that he never actually took the time to process these possibilities. And that's fine. Because the promptness of his answer stirs up another whole thing: It's his gut instinct to say "yes". Garrus is brash and quick to act, even when it comes to Shepard...but that doesn't make him wrong. It's just the regular formula. Garrus has always reacted to situations without looking back - shooting the thug holding Dr. Michel, ordering the hit on Dr. Saleon's ship full of hostages, shooting Sidonis as soon as you get out of the way. He does these things, and doesn't give them a second thought, doesn't regret them for a single moment...unless Shepard brings it up. Unless Shepard forces him to take a step back, think about what he's done, what his actions have entailed for long-term.

See the pattern? When Garrus makes a rash decision, he never doubts he's making the right choice...unless Shepard is involved. And then, suddenly, there are a hundred shades of gray, and they all scare him, because he doesn't know what to do with them...but he's never run away. And he'll always give the gray shades a chance.

As mentioned before, Garrus' break-up dialogue starts out fairly relieved, and then awkwardly disappointed, and then finally, at the final romance scene, utterly humiliated. I think Garrus had this one single, horrifying moment of, "oh, hell, I want this"...but he has trouble conveying that. Because they're emotions, and Garrus has never been one for emotions - actions are how he speaks, and it's far easier to remain focused on the physical aspect of the relationship when Shepard isn't pushing the emotional part. In ME2? He isn't ready to process an emotional relationship. But I think he might be able to in ME3.

...this would serve as an excellent segue into my next topic, but I think I've blabbed far enough. I'll leave you guys alone for a while



Next time on AlphaDormante's tl;dr Theater:

Body Language, Your Turian, and You!

[CrazyIvan93]

SuranaMage wrote...

PalAvian wrote...

jellobell wrote...

Well the romance has to have somewhere to go in ME3. If we got everything we wanted in ME2 then there could be no improvement in the final act. 

I‘m really hoping you‘re right (crossing all my fingers and toes)
But look a Tali romance which I did with maleShep, can you believe it? At the time I didn’t even know that Tali and Garrus were that popular, I just went with what I fancied. Her romance, still in the cute department, but better rounded up. You can tell both are into it. Tali is all giddy and stuff and pretty much looking forward to it. Then what Kasumi tells you just underscores what you already know by interacting with Tali herself. How do I get to hear that Garrus likes shep? From him? No... Kasumi.

I think this really fits Garrus' character, the whole not showing his feelings thing.  Garrus is very different from Tali.  Tali is all rainbows and sunshine and giggly girl crushing.  I mean, EVERYONE was commenting on her feelings for Manshep.  She did not keep it a secret AT ALL.  Garrus, on the other hand, is far more cautious with his feelings.  I don't know if it's typical for Turians to be less "emotional" or if it's just Garrus, but I don't think he's a guy who's comfortable expressing how he really feels.  I think in a sense he fears rejection and "things going wrong" because he's been so disappointed and beaten down.  So if he really feels strongly about Shepard then I see this as very in character for him to not act all Tali-like during the romance.  Plus, he's a pessimist so he's probably constantly thinking "oh crap she's going to reject me at some point I should be prepared"...

Also, the way Kasumi says "Garrus likes you" implies that she notices an attraction there that Garrus apparently doesn't realize until Shepard expresses interest <3  I really think he has feelings for her, but because of his pessimism (towards himsefl), lack of interest in non-Turians, and "career-minded" focus, he never acknowledged them.

Very well said

[SgtElias]

LadyVakarian wrote...

....@Sarendoctrinator... can you pm me the Garrus romance spoilers? I...can't go on!

Alright, I've been lurking in this thread for ages, but am de-lurking to beg your indulgence.

Sarendoctrinator, would you please pm me (when you have time) the spoilers? 4/5 of the adults that live in this house play ME, but I have begged my one roommate who doesn't play to read through it and answer questions I have without spoiling me.

I read somewhere recently that Garrus and Tali were sorta left out in the cold as far as their romances were concerned, so I've been an irrational basket-case about it ever since.

I'm a little embarassed for me right now.

*re-lurk*

[LadyVakarian]

AlphaDormante wrote...
[*]*Profound contribution*

It was not tl;dr at all! I enjoyed it actually! I agree with everything you said actually! :happy:

[Eradyn]

AlphaDormante wrote...

Greetings, Garus thread! Tis I, a lurker-occasionally-contributor. I post today because I've recently sat down with a friend who's new to Mass Effect and, upon finding out she romanced Garrus, helped her pick apart the romance and why it's our favorite in the game. I saw that some of the discussion in this thread has been along the lines of a few topics we covered...and thought I might as well share our findings. Massive tl;dr incoming - quick, scroll faster if you want to live!

• Is Garrus Just Not Into Shep?

This is a common concern for many a Garrusmancer, and honestly, it's one I've struggled with myself. Let's face it: Garrus seems anxious and uncomfortable throughout the majority of the romance, more than once offering Shepard a way out.

Garrus may be nervous around femShep, but never uncomfortable.



Seriously, though, I think it's more that he's caught by surprise, initially, and then he has second thoughts, kind of like..."can we make this work? Does she really want this? What if she changes her mind...what if I screw up?"  And it kind of goes from there.

jellobell wrote...

There's a thread called "Why are there never attractive male aliens"? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie] Geez, some people are never satisfied. We have two quite attractive Malien LIs.

Reminds
me of back when Thane was announced and the whole Garrus thread
panicked because we thought that he was designed to replace Garrus. Then
Eradyn created my single favourite post on the old boards (which I
managed to locate before Bioware nuked them).

Eradyn wrote...
It's my fear as well...but it just makes NO sense.

=================

BW DEV 1: Holy Lord in heaven, the forum's swarming!
BW Dev 2: With what? Viruses? Malware? DoS attacks?
BW DEV 1: No, *shudders* worse! Rabid fangirls!
BW DEV 2: W-What do they want?
BW DEV 1: They're demanding Garrus.
BW DEV 2: WHAT? No way.
BW DEV 1: Way.
BW DEV 2: Pft. It'll go away in a couple of weeks. Fangirls are a fickle bunch.
BW DEV 1: *nods*

---1 year later---

BW DEV 1: *in falsetto* "Oh, it'll go away in a couple of weeks, fangirls are fickle!" *prances around in a demeaning caricature of Dev 2*
BW DEV 2: *glares* Okay, so we miscalculated Garrus' appeal. What can we do?
BW DEV 1: We can torment them with teasing and double-talk until all the way through ME2's development.
BW DEV 2: Brilliant! Anything else?
BW DEV 1: Look, you know how they've been begging and pleading for Garrus all this time?
BW DEV 2: *nods* Yeah? Should we make it so?
BW DEV 1: *snorts derisively* Are you kidding? OBVIOUSLY they don't want Garrus. In reality they want a completely new race of wasp/snake/fish men created to cater to their obviously non-turian desires. Garrus is just a front for their frustrations. See, when they say "give us Garrus," they're really saying, "please give us any male alien romance option BUT Garrus."
BW DEV 2: *blinks* Ah...does that even make sense?
BW DEV 1: Shut up, of course it does! It's so nonsensical it must be true!
BW DEV 2: Brilliant! You have convinced me with your spotless reasoning. Let's make it so.

There. It's saved for posterity just in case the other Garrus threads are eventually taken down.

Hahaha, I remember that! That was such a long while ago...I can laugh looking back on it, seeing all our fears were unfounded (especially with what they've done with him in ME3...omg, he becomes one of the, if not the, best romances in the ME series with that culmination and conclusion), but at the time with our assumptions of "how many romances will BW realistically implemented, how we figured Thane filled the malien slot and that meant Samara or someone like her would be the third option...

BW was awesome for implementing Garrus like that, and I know it wouldn't have happened had we all not passionately made our voices heard.  And the...er...art and fanfics probably didn't hurt either.  Well...it might have hurt the devs' brains, but...*ahem* Our worrying was for naught.  And now, years later and judging by ME3's script, the Garrus romance is wonderfully done.  I don't know how BW will top this particular pairing in future projects.

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[DarthEmpress]

AlphaDormante wrote...

Greetings, Garus thread! Tis I, a lurker-occasionally-contributor. I post today because I've recently sat down with a friend who's new to Mass Effect and, upon finding out she romanced Garrus, helped her pick apart the romance and why it's our favorite in the game. I saw that some of the discussion in this thread has been along the lines of a few topics we covered...and thought I might as well share our findings. Massive tl;dr incoming - quick, scroll faster if you want to live!

• Is Garrus Just Not Into Shep?

This is a common concern for many a Garrusmancer, and honestly, it's one I've struggled with myself. Let's face it: Garrus seems anxious and uncomfortable throughout the majority of the romance, more than once offering Shepard a way out. It's very, very easy to interpret that as a lack of interest on Garrus's part - maybe he's not really into the idea but just doesn't want to disappoint the Commander, or maybe all these concerns are his way of dropping hints that he doesn't think it can work. When we see that this is his reaction, it's in our nature to worry. He seems uncomfortable, and that makes us uncomfortable, and for some people, that feeling is strong enough to break things off.

I will say right now: for this romance, you have to dig deep to find what you're looking for. And it can be a scary thing to do with someone you're so afraid of pushing away. But, for this particular romance, what you will find is gold.

Consider: Is Garrus really the kind of person to lie just to make Shepard feel better? Would he honestly engage himself in a relationship that would make him miserable? That would endanger his relationship with Shepard?

That last question is particularly crucial. Imagine you are Garrus, and your closest friend in the galaxy, the woman you respect more than anyone, who trusts you enough to even think about this,  is propositioning you. You are flattered - but not interested. At this moment, you have two options:

1) Kindly turn her down, at the risk of feeling like an ass. She may be embarrassed, and your friendship may be strained for a while. This is unfortunate...but would it really ruin the friendship? Do you really believe she would resent you for putting her in the friendzone? Would she crush your entire relationship under her heel over it? For a friendship so solidly built on trust and respect...I would argue "no". Yes, it may be awkward for a while, and yes, you may feel awful for not being able to give her what she wants...but in the end, and once the smoke clears, the respect and trust was always there.

2) Accept her proposal, despite your misgivings. And now, you're hating every moment of it. You're locked in a relationship you didn't want just to appease her - maybe you thought you were doing good, giving her that one thing she wanted before you're both blasted to hell, but it's wrong. You're lying to her, and she's making you miserable. Who's winning? Who gets satisfaction from this? And what happens if she gets invested, so very attached to this relationship? Could you hide it forever? Would you resent her, knowing you could never leave to find your own wife and children among your species? And what if the truth came out? What would happen to the very foundation of the relationship - trust and respect - if she found out you'd been stringing her along the entire time? That she was making you miserable?

Garrus's reaction to the proposal was stricken and hurried, so it's probable that he never actually took the time to process these possibilities. And that's fine. Because the promptness of his answer stirs up another whole thing: It's his gut instinct to say "yes". Garrus is brash and quick to act, even when it comes to Shepard...but that doesn't make him wrong. It's just the regular formula. Garrus has always reacted to situations without looking back - shooting the thug holding Dr. Michel, ordering the hit on Dr. Saleon's ship full of hostages, shooting Sidonis as soon as you get out of the way. He does these things, and doesn't give them a second thought, doesn't regret them for a single moment...unless Shepard brings it up. Unless Shepard forces him to take a step back, think about what he's done, what his actions have entailed for long-term.

See the pattern? When Garrus makes a rash decision, he never doubts he's making the right choice...unless Shepard is involved. And then, suddenly, there are a hundred shades of gray, and they all scare him, because he doesn't know what to do with them...but he's never run away. And he'll always give the gray shades a chance.

As mentioned before, Garrus' break-up dialogue starts out fairly relieved, and then awkwardly disappointed, and then finally, at the final romance scene, utterly humiliated. I think Garrus had this one single, horrifying moment of, "oh, hell, I want this"...but he has trouble conveying that. Because they're emotions, and Garrus has never been one for emotions - actions are how he speaks, and it's far easier to remain focused on the physical aspect of the relationship when Shepard isn't pushing the emotional part. In ME2? He isn't ready to process an emotional relationship. But I think he might be able to in ME3.

...this would serve as an excellent segue into my next topic, but I think I've blabbed far enough. I'll leave you guys alone for a while



Next time on AlphaDormante's tl;dr Theater:

Body Language, Your Turian, and You!

I like this very much! <3  It's interesting that you bring up the shades of gray because he admits that he's a very black and white type of person.  But it's always Shepard making him stop from acting on his passions and first gut instinct.  And just the fact that he's impulsive and that the FIRST RESPONSE IS HOW HE FEELS...well, I think that says something good about his response to Femshep, "Yeah. Definitely."

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[The Sarendoctrinator]

That old post by Eradyn is hilarious! xD I love the part where one of the devs mimicks the other one in falsetto.

LadyVakarian wrote...

Who knows, his momma could have been battling this disease for a long time and he felt like he could never talk to anyone, let alone his own father.  Poor Garrus!

That's such a sad thought! But it would really fit his character. He doesn't want to trouble anyone else with his burdens.

LadyVakarian wrote...

outmane wrote...

OMG! could it mean that we will learn more about Turian culture in ME3 ?! I cant wait 

ZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIM!

...Okay, now that that's done. The spoilers that I've been sending around (which are also the ones I'm most familiar with) are character dialogues. So, I'm not sure how much turian culture info will be in the rest of the game, but there is some in the dialogues. The one I hinted at for Garrus is my interpretation of some major spoiler lines, and since the gray text is picky about when it will work for me, I'll send anyone who's curious a PM to explain. If you want the rest of the romance spoilers as well, just ask. But again, this is a big romance spoiler. If you want to see it in-game for yourself, there is absolutely no way I can explain without telling you the spoiler.

SuranaMage wrote...

@Saren:  Could you please share some of the spoilerly Turain stuffs?  I don't seem to find it in my version of the leaks!

Do you want me to send you the romance spoilers? The one I hinted at is part of Garrus' romance. There's another in Diana's (the new on-ship reporter) dialogue about turian reporters, which could probably be posted here because it doesn't spoil any part of the game - just a funny but true remark, and so typical for turians.

@LadyVakarian & SgtElias: Okay, I'll send them to both of you!

@AlphaDormante: I'll read your post after I send them the spoilers. The thread just exploded with activity. xD

Edit: I get top of page now?! You've gotta be kidding me... Oh well, cheers to the ME Wiki for having screenshots.

Modifié par The Sarendoctrinator, 24 février 2012 - 03:47 .