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[CrazyIvan93]

LadyVakarian wrote...

.... I am disappoint. The spoilers are great, but I am just so mad at myself for reading them! I guess I can't get the awesomeness out of my mind now... ME3, be released NOW!

I KNOW RIGHT!? I'm pissed at myself for reading it but i just couldnt resist! GRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrr>:0

[People4Peace]

jellobell wrote...

outmane wrote...

YvetteAngel wrote...

Since we're so influential now (heh heh)....I say we storm raid for an all-inclusive Garrus DLC. Wouldn't it be fantastical if we got some kind of pre-ArchAngel story? Or well anything related to Garrus' life?

I think there is a novel comming up that will interest you. Its inthe series Homeworld. One of them will be about Garrus ! Im sure it will be filled with Turian insight and scenes of Garrus popoing the heat sink with cute turian gals 

Wait...there's a Garrus novel coming out?! 

On the one hand I'm thrilled about more Garrus. On the other, well...I still remember Deception. I don't want some hack ruining Garrus.

Here are the images:





Garrus
I am really excited for the comic! I am sure I will like it and if I don't, I just won't consider it canon.

[YvetteAngel]

I've never read the novels, only some fanfic but I'm also super interested in anything turian, I don't know, maybe it's just me... but reading a story about him doesn't sound like it would be fun. Or is it?

Garrus/Brandon's voice is the total experience for me.  And seeing him in action too.
What are the novels like? Never thought about it until you guys brought it up!

Modifié par YvetteAngel, 24 février 2012 - 05:46 .

[The Sarendoctrinator]

People4Peace wrote...

I am really excited for the comic! I am sure I will like it and if I don't, I just won't consider it canon.

I think this is the attitude we need to have with just about every game/movie/book that has been expanded into other forms of media. Deception was not the first novelization that made me laugh at how canon-breaking it was. Ignore the bad, and joke with your friends about Kai Leng being a cereal killer.

[SgtElias]

LadyVakarian wrote...

.... I am disappoint. The spoilers are great, but I am just so mad at myself for reading them! I guess I can't get the awesomeness out of my mind now... ME3, be released NOW!

I am going to take this as a warning. I am trying SO HARD not to read through Garrus' section, but I am not a being known for her willpower.

Everyone that's read it so far seems to agree that it's amazing, but they wish they hadn't peeked. I'm sure that I'd feel the same.

. . . but the wait is KILLING me.

[jellobell]

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

People4Peace wrote...

I am really excited for the comic! I am sure I will like it and if I don't, I just won't consider it canon.

I think this is the attitude we need to have with just about every game/movie/book that has been expanded into other forms of media. Deception was not the first novelization that made me laugh at how canon-breaking it was. Ignore the bad, and joke with your friends about Kai Leng being a cereal killer.

That was the Best Part! 

[The Sarendoctrinator]

YvetteAngel wrote...

I've never read the novels, only some fanfic but I'm also super interested in anything turian, I don't know, maybe it's just me... but reading a story about him doesn't sound like it would be fun. Or is it?

Garrus/Brandon's voice is the total experience for me and seeing him in action too.
What ate the novels like? Never thought about it until you guys brought it up!

Revelation: focuses on Saren and Anderson long before ME1, and Saren finding out about Sovereign
Ascension: has a lot of new quarian info, some TIM info, set between ME1 & ME2
Retribution: has a lot of Reaper info, TIM is a major character, introduces Kai Leng, set between ME2 & ME3
                      (edit: forgot to add, also has some turian info, and turian female as a major character)
Deception: just move on, nothing to see here, ask again when BioWare puts out their corrected version

Redemption: focuses on Liara and her search for Shepard's body, set between ME1 & ME2
Evolution: set during the First Contact War, TIM and Saren (and Saren's brother) are major characters, Reaper info
Invasion: focuses on Aria and TIM, more Reaper experimentation info, set between ME2 & ME3
Homeworlds: not yet released, each issue focuses on a different character - Vega, Tali, Garrus, and Liara

The first group is novels, and the second is comics. I really enjoyed them.

@jellobell: And that's why I can honestly say I enjoyed Deception! xD Kai Leng looks adorable in that comic.

Modifié par The Sarendoctrinator, 24 février 2012 - 05:51 .

[LadyVakarian]

SgtElias wrote...

LadyVakarian wrote...

.... I am disappoint. The spoilers are great, but I am just so mad at myself for reading them! I guess I can't get the awesomeness out of my mind now... ME3, be released NOW!

I am going to take this as a warning. I am trying SO HARD not to read through Garrus' section, but I am not a being known for her willpower.

Everyone that's read it so far seems to agree that it's amazing, but they wish they hadn't peeked. I'm sure that I'd feel the same.

. . . but the wait is KILLING me.

Don't fall for the indoctrination!  Here, take this! I made it for you!

[outmane]

ciaweth wrote...

Eradyn wrote...

jellobell wrote...

outmane wrote...

YvetteAngel wrote...

Since we're so influential now (heh heh)....I say we storm raid for an all-inclusive Garrus DLC. Wouldn't it be fantastical if we got some kind of pre-ArchAngel story? Or well anything related to Garrus' life?

I think there is a novel comming up that will interest you. Its inthe series Homeworld. One of them will be about Garrus ! Im sure it will be filled with Turian insight and scenes of Garrus popoing the heat sink with cute turian gals 

Wait...there's a Garrus novel coming out?! 

On the one hand I'm thrilled about more Garrus. On the other, well...I still remember Deception. I don't want some hack ruining Garrus.

Yeeeaaaah...I'm nervous enough about the comic.  Don't get me wrong, I'll buy it because Garrus, but...I don't know.  I feel BW's been striking out on these novels and comics.  We'll see what the quality's like with this Homeworld series, though.  Two comics then Garrus', so we'll have a good idea what to expect going into it.

Aww, spoilsport.  Are you saying you don't *like* dual-pistol-wielding, blond-fringed, no-leg-spur-having Garrus?  ;D

oh god dont remind us please ! 

http://t1.gstatic.co...TRvLJVqkpoz11g 

[CrazyIvan93]

SgtElias wrote...

LadyVakarian wrote...

.... I am disappoint. The spoilers are great, but I am just so mad at myself for reading them! I guess I can't get the awesomeness out of my mind now... ME3, be released NOW!

I am going to take this as a warning. I am trying SO HARD not to read through Garrus' section, but I am not a being known for her willpower.

Everyone that's read it so far seems to agree that it's amazing, but they wish they hadn't peeked. I'm sure that I'd feel the same.

. . . but the wait is KILLING me.

DO NOT PEEK! You'll thank me later...

[LadyVakarian]

 I have this need to post hilarious songs or videos about ME so here goes another one! www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par LadyVakarian, 24 février 2012 - 06:47 .

[People4Peace]

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

People4Peace wrote...

I am really excited for the comic! I am sure I will like it and if I don't, I just won't consider it canon.

I think this is the attitude we need to have with just about every game/movie/book that has been expanded into other forms of media. Deception was not the first novelization that made me laugh at how canon-breaking it was. Ignore the bad, and joke with your friends about Kai Leng being a cereal killer.

I never read Deception but now I want to for the laughs! And now I finally understand the jokes about Kai Leng and cereal! Oh, I love it. What an awesome comic strip.

And I am happy to have a comic ALL about Garrus. There is nothing not to love. And if it sucks (which I doubt), at least I have amazing, sexy images of Garrus.  I know what comic book Liara looks like, now I finally get Garrus. 



 

[Kiraiko44]

I'm at war on these spoilers... i want to read them so bad, but i know i shouldn't... i'm just glad that the romance is awesome. read that small article about people thinking maybe garrus just isn't into shep with how he acts and i'll admit i was starting to suspect that in the beginning of 3 he'd be like 'sorry but this isn't working' and i'd be all heartbroken and my femshep would just let the galaxy fall to the reapers because she's too busy eating icecream to fill the hole in her heart lol
i'm planning on reading the novels, its only my to-do list (reading three books already right now XD) and now theres a garrus novel in the works? AWESOME! totally need to start on the ME series then

[Sorael.A]

DON'T READ THEM!

If you do, I'll feel compelled to :<

On a serious note, it's only a week and four days away! Or a week and six days away if you're in Europe. Just think about how the surprise factor and suspense you'll feel for NOT reading it...now I'm scaring myself into thinking my expectations are too high.

Guys guys....haaaalp I need reassurance this will be the best romance ever

Modifié par Sorael.A, 24 février 2012 - 07:47 .

[SgtElias]

LadyVakarian wrote...

Don't fall for the indoctrination!  Here, take this! I made it for you!

*awesome picture snip*

Aww, thanks! The positive reinforcement (and hilarious Benezia picture) actually helped a lot!

I decided to alleviate my extremely intense and probably unhealthy craving to ravenously devour the Garrus section of the spoilers by starting a new ME1 game.

This is probably a better use of time.

Sorael.A wrote...

Guys guys....haaaalp I need reassurance this will be the best romance ever [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie]

Don't doooooo it! Sorael, we can do this. We can resist together! Everyone that's actually read through the dialogue says that it's amazingly wonderful and completely kick-ass. It's less than two weeks.

. . . play some Mass Effect! That's my solution, anyway.

Modifié par SgtElias, 24 février 2012 - 07:56 .

[AlphaDormante]

Thanks for the positive responses to Is Garrus Just Not Into Shep?, guys! It's always my pleasure to geek out and analyze things for this great fanbase

I originally was going to wait until the weekend to do part II, but my fingers just wouldn't stop moving. C'est la vie...

=Obligatory TL;DR Warning!=

• Part II: Body Language, Your Turian, and You!

Ah, body language and physical contact. Here we have the bread and butter of the Garrus/Shepard relationship. It's where everything really takes place, the most important aspect that goes flying under so many peoples' radars because of how understated and subtle it is. This is where the magic happens, people; look here, and you will be rewarded with the deepest satisfaction.

Let us begin with ME1. ...there isn't any. No, really: Garrus and Shepard do not touch a single time in ME1. Not even to shake hands. If I'm wrong on this, someone please correct me, but I have never once seen a time in which Garrus and Shepard have touched there. And it makes sense. Garrus looks up to Shepard as a mentor and beacon of guidance in the first game - he admires her, and respects her, but he isn't really on her level. They aren't equals. To engage in physical contact at that stage would be unnatural and give off a casual edge to their dynamic that just doesn't belong there. No, they don't touch at all, but that's a good, healthy presentation of their relationship as it was.

Now in ME2, the shift in dynamic is immediately palpable. No longer is Garrus the wide-eyed, idealistic cop from the first game - in Shepard's absence he'd commanded a team in Hell and emerged the only one left. He's walked two years in Shepard's shoes, and instead of a mentor, he now hails her as an equal - someone who knows hardship and pain, someone who showed him the way when he was younger and softer yet sees him as the adult he's matured into. Garrus is always going to hold Shepard's opinion in high regard, but he's seen more of the galaxy and realized just how little he can do within it - that's why it helps to have someone "closer to home". Someone to fight for that has a face. It's why their dynamic changes from mentor and pupil to a true, trusting friendship.

And yet, still they don't touch until a very key point: the romance dialogue in which Shepard is telling Garrus that she isn't trying to make him uncomfortable. This is the first time there is any physical contact between them in the entire series, and moreover, it's being meant initmately - and it's a simple shoulder touch. Shepard steps forward, reaches her hand out, and lays it on Garrus' shoulder. That's it.

Here's why is this significant: when Shepard is touching Garrus, it's the very first time in the whole romance that Garrus conveys an emotional interest in the relationship. It's the smallest, tiniest gesture, but the easy tone in Garrus's reply is immediate and such a far cry from his anxious stammering. Instead of awkward jokes, he gently opens up and says she'd never make him uncomfortable. It's not coincidence. There is true power in the physical contact between these two.

Not enough evidence? Consider the romance scene. It's good for a few laughs, sure, but when you consider what Garrus did rather than how he did it - he changed into nice clothes, bought wine, got music he thought Shepard would like, tried to compliment her. He may have done horribly at all of the above, but there's no denying that he put a lot of effort into preparing things when the point was only ever a quick lay.

And when it all goes south? When Garrus is reduced to a humiliated, stumbling mess? When he stutters out his concerns, his lonely desire for things to go right? Shepard quietly steps forward, reaches her hand out, and touches the side of his face.

Garrus goes silent immediately, and Shepard's hand trails down his scars. Then, simultaneously, they lean forward to touch foreheads. Garrus lifts his hand to touch her shoulder. And when they speak in actions rather than words? He just knows what to do.

This is less evidence-based and more speculative, but I honestly believe that this is why Garrus focuses so hard on the physical aspect of the relationship at first, rather than the emotional part. Actions, Garrus knows what to do with - the plumbing isn't quite the same, but maybe it isn't quite the sex itself he was counting on. Maybe he just wants the warmth of something close to home. And over the course of the relationship, he slowly has that awful, heart-leaping realization - he's invested emotionally. But he doesn't know how to use words.

Other body language that isn't limited to romance is present as well. For example, when choosing Garrus for the Suicide Mission fire team leader - he stands up straight and gives a single, wordless nod. Is there any possible way he'd forget what happened on Omega? Not a chance. After all Shepard did to help him deal with that, would he think that s/he forgot? No. When Shepard tells him to lead the team, s/he is telling Garrus that s/he trusts him and is challenging him to get over his past. And he accepts.

Quite honestly, I could analyze just about every interaction these two have, but I am lierally the queen of overanylsis and I feel a bit silly already. I hope you've all enjoyed this installment, and I'd love to discuss it with you! (though tomorrow, in this case; I have classes early and have to jet for now )


Next time on AlphaDormante's tl;dr Theatre:

Reapers and Galactic Destruction and Commitment, Oh, My! (coming post-ME3; title subject to change depending on whether or not any of the above actually happens 8|a)

Modifié par AlphaDormante, 24 février 2012 - 08:15 .

[Kiraiko44]

but i NEEDS my garrus fix D: especially after how badly we got jipped on dialogue with him in 2! a couple conversations and flirting and he spends the rest of the game 'calibrating' that word still makes me twitch slightly...
fine. i won't ask for the spoilers but i really really want them. but i won't read them. i'll make myself wait another agonizing week and a half.

Hopefully my willpower can hold out...

Modifié par Kiraiko44, 24 février 2012 - 07:57 .

[Sorael.A]

SgtElias wrote...

LadyVakarian wrote...

Don't fall for the indoctrination!  Here, take this! I made it for you!

*awesome picture snip*

Aww, thanks! The positive reinforcement (and hilarious Benezia picture) actually helped a lot!

I decided to alleviate my extremely intense and probably unhealthy craving to ravenously devour the Garrus section of the spoilers by starting a new ME1 game.

This is probably a better use of time.

Sorael.A wrote...

Guys guys....haaaalp I need reassurance this will be the best romance ever [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie]

Don't doooooo it! Sorael, we can do this. We can resist together! Everyone that's actually read through the dialogue says that it's amazingly wonderful and completely kick-ass. It's less than two weeks.

. . . play some Mass Effect! That's my solution, anyway.

I was but then I stopped because I came on here to peek at them, thankfully I didn't ugghhh I need to make sure my playthrough is perfect though...I wish there was a life achievement for not reading the spoilers because this is bloody difficult.

[Kiraiko44]

AlphaDormante wrote...

Thanks for the positive responses to Is Garrus Just Not Into Shep?, guys! It's always my pleasure to geek out and analyze things for this great fanbase

I originally was going to wait until the weekend to do part II, but my fingers just wouldn't stop moving. C'est la vie...

=Obligatory TL;DR Warning!=

Nooo i love this article and the one before it, they're totally not TL;DR. I can remember being a little disappointed with the Garrus romance scene because it ended in a cliff hanger but now that i look back on it it's a pretty touching scene. It's the only time Garrus really seems to open up emotionally. Yeah he talks about losing his team but theres that tough, angry overtone. When he's talking about how he just wants things to go right you can tell he's just scared of messing things up again (since he blames himself for losing his team)

[AgentMulder5]

It's funny, I'm taking a whole different approach to spoilers and whatnot this time around. Prior to ME2 when we were all guessing how the relationship saga would wind up, I was actively reading everything I could, and nothing escaped analysis.

This time, I haven't even brought myself to play the demo for fear of some sort of spoiler. Funny the difference three years makes. Hopefully we don't get a flood of pricks this time posting major spoilers like the "the Collectors are ____" debacle.

[Kiraiko44]

AgentMulder5 wrote...

It's funny, I'm taking a whole different approach to spoilers and whatnot this time around. Prior to ME2 when we were all guessing how the relationship saga would wind up, I was actively reading everything I could, and nothing escaped analysis.

This time, I haven't even brought myself to play the demo for fear of some sort of spoiler. Funny the difference three years makes. Hopefully we don't get a flood of pricks this time posting major spoilers like the "the Collectors are ____" debacle.

i was the same way, before me2 came out i was scouring every single website i could find about anything to do with the game and the characters and relationships but now besides wanting to know a bit about the overall story i'm trying to restrain myself. i guess because with 2 there was still that 'oh god its a sequel, its going to suck!' and i was trying to find proof that it wouldn't. but now i trust bioware to do right by us so i'm not as anxious as i was

[Liec]

AlphaDormante wrote...

Let us begin with ME1. ...there isn't any. No, really: Garrus and Shepard do not touch a single time in ME1. Not even to shake hands. If I'm wrong on this, someone please correct me, but I have never once seen a time in which Garrus and Shepard have touched there. 

Fun fact: Shepard and Garrus shake hands once in ME1 if you recruit him after becoming a Spectre. 

[The Sarendoctrinator]

Liec wrote...

Fun fact: Shepard and Garrus shake hands once in ME1 if you recruit him after becoming a Spectre. 

Really?! How is this done exactly, recruiting him after Shepard becomes a Spectre? You don't have to refuse him earlier, do you? I don't know if I could play out such a thing. But I want to see the handshake. I need details!

@AlphaDormante: Another great post. My favorite part was your analysis of the final romance scene, and how it shows that Garrus is more comfortable with actions than words. It was a beautiful scene to watch.

@Kiraiko: Actually, Garrus is getting a comic, not a novel. It's not as long, but we'll have pictures!

If any of you guys really don't want to read the spoilers, and you're absolutely sure that you don't want to be spoiled, you could do the opposite of everyone else and tell me not to send them to you (and hope that I remember in case you give in and ask for them later).

[PalAvian]

AlphaDormante wrote...
Greetings, Garus thread! Tis I, a lurker-occasionally-contributor. I post today because I've recently sat down with a friend who's new to Mass Effect and, upon finding out she romanced Garrus, helped her pick apart the romance and why it's our favorite in the game. I saw that some of the discussion in this thread has been along the lines of a few topics we covered...and thought I might as well share our findings. Massive tl;dr incoming - quick, scroll faster if you want to live!

This is a common concern for many a Garrusmancer, and honestly, it's one I've struggled with myself. Let's face it: Garrus seems anxious and uncomfortable throughout the majority of the romance, more than once offering Shepard a way out. It's very, very easy to interpret that as a lack of interest on Garrus's part - maybe he's not really into the idea but just doesn't want to disappoint the Commander, or maybe all these concerns are his way of dropping hints that he doesn't think it can work. When we see that this is his reaction, it's in our nature to worry. He seems uncomfortable, and that makes us uncomfortable, and for some people, that feeling is strong enough to break things off.

I will say right now: for this romance, you have to dig deep to find what you're looking for. And it can be a scary thing to do with someone you're so afraid of pushing away. But, for this particular romance, what you will find is gold.

Consider: Is Garrus really the kind of person to lie just to make Shepard feel better? Would he honestly engage himself in a relationship that would make him miserable? That would endanger his relationship with Shepard?

That last question is particularly crucial. Imagine you are Garrus, and your closest friend in the galaxy, the woman you respect more than anyone, who trusts you enough to even think about this,  is propositioning you. You are flattered - but not interested. At this moment, you have two options:

Is Garrus Just Not Into Shep?

1) Kindly turn her down, at the risk of feeling like an ass. She may be embarrassed, and your friendship may be strained for a while. This is unfortunate...but would it really ruin the friendship? Do you really believe she would resent you for putting her in the friendzone? Would she crush your entire relationship under her heel over it? For a friendship so solidly built on trust and respect...I would argue "no". Yes, it may be awkward for a while, and yes, you may feel awful for not being able to give her what she wants...but in the end, and once the smoke clears, the respect and trust was always there.

2) Accept her proposal, despite your misgivings. And now, you're hating every moment of it. You're locked in a relationship you didn't want just to appease her - maybe you thought you were doing good, giving her that one thing she wanted before you're both blasted to hell, but it's wrong. You're lying to her, and she's making you miserable. Who's winning? Who gets satisfaction from this? And what happens if she gets invested, so very attached to this relationship? Could you hide it forever? Would you resent her, knowing you could never leave to find your own wife and children among your species? And what if the truth came out? What would happen to the very foundation of the relationship - trust and respect - if she found out you'd been stringing her along the entire time? That she was making you miserable?

Garrus's reaction to the proposal was stricken and hurried, so it's probable that he never actually took the time to process these possibilities. And that's fine. Because the promptness of his answer stirs up another whole thing: It's his gut instinct to say "yes". Garrus is brash and quick to act, even when it comes to Shepard...but that doesn't make him wrong. It's just the regular formula. Garrus has always reacted to situations without looking back - shooting the thug holding Dr. Michel, ordering the hit on Dr. Saleon's ship full of hostages, shooting Sidonis as soon as you get out of the way. He does these things, and doesn't give them a second thought, doesn't regret them for a single moment...unless Shepard brings it up. Unless Shepard forces him to take a step back, think about what he's done, what his actions have entailed for long-term.

See the pattern? When Garrus makes a rash decision, he never doubts he's making the right choice...unless Shepard is involved. And then, suddenly, there are a hundred shades of gray, and they all scare him, because he doesn't know what to do with them...but he's never run away. And he'll always give the gray shades a chance.

As mentioned before, Garrus' break-up dialogue starts out fairly relieved, and then awkwardly disappointed, and then finally, at the final romance scene, utterly humiliated. I think Garrus had this one single, horrifying moment of, "oh, hell, I want this"...but he has trouble conveying that. Because they're emotions, and Garrus has never been one for emotions - actions are how he speaks, and it's far easier to remain focused on the physical aspect of the relationship when Shepard isn't pushing the emotional part. In ME2? He isn't ready to process an emotional  relationship. But I think he might be able to in ME3.

...this would serve as an excellent segue into my next topic, but I think I've blabbed far enough. I'll leave you guys alone for a while [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

You’re not blabbing at all, I think that was a perfectly reasoned and wonderfully well written post even if I don’t agree with everything, it doesn’t matter I still enjoyed it very much <3

-

Not to upset anybody but in my own personal opinion there’s an easier way to interpret Garrus’ romance without having to agonize over mental gymnastics. His romance (as outmane kind of already suggested) was written to be intentionally ambiguous, that way it becomes a blank canvas for people to pour whatever they want to see into it. A cross between; projecting and a bit of a mirage.
It reminds me of a Star Trek TNG episode [had to google it, it was driving me crazy]: : The Perfect Mate, with this alien empath girl that is a “metamorph - a mutation with ability to perceive desires of men and adapt her persona to be their perfect mate.”

Modifié par PalAvian, 24 février 2012 - 01:38 .

[PalAvian]

deleted - double post - apologies

Modifié par PalAvian, 24 février 2012 - 01:31 .