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#8426
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@Sarendoc': You can send me spoilers anywhere, anytime! ♥ Which, I mean, you already did, but still.... ♥♥!

No seriously, I have absolutely no regrets about the spoilers I've read. None of them have been so specific that it left me without anything to look forward to. I don't handle suspense well at -all- -- but I do want a few surprises along the way. The spoilers, for me, have been a blissful medium: I got enough of an inkling of possibilities/direction Bioware is taking to take the edge off anxiety and can still look forward to how it all comes together in the full game.

@AlphaDormante: Sweetness. ^^ Particularly your analysis that actions are far easier for Garrus to immerse himself, where he's not tripped up by over-thinking the rest. I most certainly concur!

@PalAvian: You've definitely got a good point in terms of a deliberate ambiguity to the romance. I think - if I remember correctly? - that his is also compounded by the fact that Garrus was apparently supposed to be recruited much later in the game. Something they switched well after the fact, which made his dialogue seem even more scant given the great stretches where... he calibrates... again... and again... again... *eye twitch*

To me, though, it's posstible there's more to it than just trying to deliver a character/romance that people could 'headcanon' however they liked:

Total speculation time: I think it's highly likely that BW just wasn't quite sure what to 'show' -- Garrus is definitely far more 'alien' in his appearance than the other romanceable non-humans. And look how awkward human-human pairings can come out looking in a video game. In that sense I'm actually kind of happy they didn't try to show us something that, perhaps, the graphics engine or whatnot (I'm just throwing words here, I know absolutely nothing about how you make a video game. XD) wouldn't portray well. I sincerely hope - and the spoilers seem to indicate - that they've surmounted this hurdle in ME3, but we'll see.
Less technical though, I think BW was also... testing the waters. They didn't anticipate Garrus being so widely well received/adored. I really, really don't think they anticipated the droves of us who wanted him as an LI. I really wouldn't be surprised if this played a part in building the Garrus romance. They were game to give it a go and please the fans, but probably not precisely sure how it would be received in the end.
This supposition is helped in part by what I've read of the spoilers: The amount of apparent (and dear god I hope it's there in the end!) growth and just MORE that we're (hopefully!) getting in ME3 is a sign, to me, that they went from the tentative testing the waters, to full immersion.

And if you think about it? If I'm right (and I could be entirely off my gourd, stranger things have happened!) and my above ramblings are true: It kind of nicely echoes what I like most about the Garrus/Shep romance in general. It grows. It have -room- for growth. It wasn't stymied by being squeezed into one game of 'they meet, they fall madly in love, they declare themselves, they have the best sex evar and all is glorious' --> the romance with the Human and the Turian is a little more real than that (kinda ironic) and I think that is at lest in part due to BW approaching it as something just as new and 'potential-for-things-goings-wrongs' as the characters themselves.

And just because I'm on a roll and doing that thing where I post before I've fully diluted the blood in my caffeine-stream...
I've always felt that the awkwardness in the romance wouldn't have been quite so jarring to many if BW had given us the option to occasionally play Shepard as less of a 'big-goddamned-hero'. I love femShep. I definitely think that, so far as video game protagonists go, she's definitely more humanized than many. But there's so much they go through that is just taken in stride that feels... jarring. I like my femShep as a strong woman: But the strongest of people are still human. The romance scenes were best, honestly, (imo!) when Shepard shows a bit of insecurity (Am I making you uncomfortable?) and simple compassion (touching his scars, reassuring him) rather than trying to ham up flirtation/innuendo/etc.
That all said, apparently BW really felt strongly about exploring Sheps 'humanity' in ME3 and the bits of dialogue I've read seem to support that. Which pleases me to no. end. Especially in regards to the Garrus romance: To me it levels the playing fields. It's not one uncertain Turian and SuperWoman. It's to sentient, caring beings, neither of them having all the answers, neither of them knowing precisely how to move forward -- both of them just knowing they want move forward together.

....this ends ShyGravels ALL MY FEELS, brought to you by the good people at I totally stayed up too late reading and then my wonderful little boys woke me up when the sun was barely up and kids are cute as a defense mechanism because otherwise beleaguered parents might eat them. And coffee.

Modifié par shygravel, 24 février 2012 - 02:38 .


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Your speculation is pretty much my speculation too. Except you write it better <_<

I have the same feeling about how the writers purposefully made the romance not so clear. You know, to give a chance to other LIs :whistle:

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Liec wrote...

AlphaDormante wrote...

Let us begin with ME1. ...there isn't any. No, really: Garrus and Shepard do not touch a single time in ME1. Not even to shake hands. If I'm wrong on this, someone please correct me, but I have never once seen a time in which Garrus and Shepard have touched there. 


Fun fact: Shepard and Garrus shake hands once in ME1 if you recruit him after becoming a Spectre. :wizard:


Neat; I didn't know that! :wizard: Thanks for the correction!

Off to classes, now - see you in a bit to discuss some more, Garrus thread :P

Modifié par AlphaDormante, 24 février 2012 - 02:55 .


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So many pages in such a short time...

Wow everyone is writing amazing and long posts... Also what people are saying about the ME3 romance is making want to read the spoilers (I must stay strong!)
And I'll have to avoid any spoilers untill the europe release.

Lastly Garrus comic... I'll probably buy it because its got Garrus in, and I usually buy Mass Effect media, I've not bought deception because so many people said how flawed and terribly written it was.

Modifié par SoulShiver, 24 février 2012 - 03:11 .


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@shygravel: Wow! Awesome post. :wub:
Agree, agree and then agree some more. ...doesn’t mean I have to like it [mainly the BW’s choices bits], but I do concur in all counts.

BTW this> “And just because I'm on a roll and doing that thing where I post before I've fully diluted the blood in my caffeine-stream” = Epic win. :D

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The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

Interesting read, but I had to point put this part in particular because it's so brilliant and I never realized this before.

I just have one other comment - Garrus tells Shepard that she only makes him nervous, never uncomfortable. So, even if he might seem that way to some, I think it's just his regular nervous, "What if I mess this up somehow?"


Or... perhaps ‘nerves’ means something else for turians. Notice how he delivers the ‘nerves mostly’ line when he’s talking about the scout.
Someone needs to hand poor shep a: 'turian to human' dictionary ^_^

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Sorael.A wrote...

DON'T READ THEM!

If you do, I'll feel compelled to :<

On a serious note, it's only a week and four days away! Or a week and six days away if you're in Europe. Just think about how the surprise factor and suspense you'll feel for NOT reading it...now I'm scaring myself into thinking my expectations are too high.

Guys guys....haaaalp I need reassurance this will be the best romance ever :crying:

I read the spoilers waaaaaay before it was posted here and let me tell you, they freakin delivered. Its as if they heard our prayers and goddamn I cant wait to hear all the sweet things i read. He's such a dork but that's Garrus for you. Its really adorable and it puts the ME 2 Garrus romance to shame:wub:. GET PUMPED!:o

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AlphaDormante wrote...


  • Part II: Body Language, Your Turian, and You!

Reading these have been a real treat, I gotta tell ya.

I would also like to remind everyone that Garrus and Shepard are actually holding hands during the head bump.

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#8433
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aznsoisauce wrote...

AlphaDormante wrote...


  • Part II: Body Language, Your Turian, and You!

Reading these have been a real treat, I gotta tell ya.

I would also like to remind everyone that Garrus and Shepard are actually holding hands during the head bump.

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Daaaawwww:wub:.... i didnt know that...

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@shygravel Great post! 

And 264 more hours...

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CrazyIvan93

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YvetteAngel wrote...

@shygravel Great post! 

And 264 more hours...


MOM MAKE IT GO FASTEERRRRRRRR :crying::crying::crying::crying::crying::crying::crying:

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Whooooa, this thread is moving so fast that I'm feeling dizzy after reading the the last pages! I don't remember who wrote what anymore but I have special thanks to AlphaDormante. I'm pretty sure everyone here will more than welcome any other great analysis of the relationship between Garrus and Shepard you write. <3

About the spoilers: If you haven't read any spoilers until now, I strongly recommend you don't give in when we're all so close to the game release. I read the romance spoilers about a month ago just because I tend to overestimate every little thing, and I was sure I would be disappointed with the game if I didn't have any information of the script beforehand. I still managed to stay away from major spoilers, but at least I brought my expectations to a realistic level.

AVOID THE LAST PART OF MY POST IF YOU'RE ULTRA SENSITIVE ABOUT SPOILERS. All the information ahead came from interviews with the people involved with the game and I don't consider them spoilers, but you never know... It's about Shepard's humanity.





I don't remember if I saw it on Bioware TV or some random interview with Mac Walters, but he said the writers always felt like Shepard was too two-dimensional, and what he tought was great about ME3 is that now Shepard has more depth: she'll even be able to laugh or cry if the player wants her to. Jennifer Hale also said in ME3 we will see how Shepard's starting to feel tired and will have her moments of second-guessing herself.
If I find the sources, I'll come back to post them. ;)

EDIT - Here's Raphael Sbarge interviewing Jennifer Hale, where she talks about Shepard's development as a character: fangeek.com/2012/01/31/raphael-sbarge-jennifer-hale-qa1/

Modifié par Blankeflos, 24 février 2012 - 04:30 .


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Blankeflos wrote...

AVOID THE LAST PART OF MY POST IF YOU'RE ULTRA SENSITIVE ABOUT SPOILERS. All the information ahead came from interviews with the people involved with the game and I don't consider them spoilers, but you never know... It's about Shepard's humanity.

I don't remember if I saw it on Bioware TV or some random interview with MacWalters, but he said the writers always felt like Shepard was too two-dimensional, and what he tought was great about ME3 is that now Shepard has more depth: she'll even be able to laugh or cry if the player wants her to. Jennifer Hale also said in ME3 we will see how Shepard's starting to feel tired and will have her moments of second-guessing herself.
If I find the sources, I'll come back to post them. ;)




Even though my garlic and silver shields have protected me this long, I'm liking this little nugget of info, and the fact that we can possibly choose some of her emotions is so damn awesome.  I'm glad she's feeling the weight of her responsibilities our experience will be much more immersive, something we can sink our teeth into, moreso this time around.  Oh, and the fact that Garrus will most likely play a major part in relieving that stress?  Well....all the better!! 
:whistle:<3


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Modifié par YvetteAngel, 24 février 2012 - 04:39 .


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>That feel when I've been wanting to get back into this thread but I literally have nothing to say
Goddamnit, Javik, why have you taken Garrus away from me?

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 Am I (I as in me and not Shepard) the only one that wants Garrus in bed? ;););):wub:

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Arcian wrote...

>That feel when I've been wanting to get back into this thread but I literally have nothing to say
Goddamnit, Javik, why have you taken Garrus away from me?


Even when we have nothing to say...
it's our responsibility to post "I <3 Garrus" at least once a day. :lol:



(I'm a poet and didn't know it)

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CrazyIvan93 wrote...

 Am I (I as in me and not Shepard) the only one that wants Garrus in bed? ;););):wub:


The sexy beast that he is?  Hella no girl,  you're not the only one<3

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outmane wrote...

 
Your speculation is pretty much my speculation too. Except you write it better <_<

I have the same feeling about how the writers purposefully made the romance not so clear. You know, to give a chance to other LIs :whistle:


Hmmm... I think you’re onto something there...:whistle:

*hides*

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CrazyIvan93

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YvetteAngel wrote...

CrazyIvan93 wrote...

 Am I (I as in me and not Shepard) the only one that wants Garrus in bed? ;););):wub:


The sexy beast that he is?  Hella no girl,  you're not the only one<3


.....Im a guy....LOL:D

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Arcian wrote...

>That feel when I've been wanting to get back into this thread but I literally have nothing to say
Goddamnit, Javik, why have you taken Garrus away from me?


Cant the two of them complement each other?

Im definitly looking forward to some Garrus and Javik hanging behind the squad and going:

Garrus: Just watch. She's gonna go up to that merc boss and try her usual 'this planet is too small for the two of us'
Javik: Yeah, Ive only been around for a week and I can already predict when shes gonna take her 'Im Commander Shepard' voice
Garrus: Oh yeah and when you see that glint in her eye...  she's about to charge and hit them with the but of her riffle.
Javik : Oh like thats gonna help...


In other words, I want them to be snark buddies B)

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Blankeflos wrote...

EDIT - Here's Raphael Sbarge interviewing Jennifer Hale, where she talks about Shepard's development as a character: fangeek.com/2012/01/31/raphael-sbarge-jennifer-hale-qa1/

Ahahahaha! Raphael Sbarge totally Shatnerizes in the beginning. :lol:

@AlphaDormante: Great post! I had a lot of fun reading it.

All this talk of touching makes me wonder what Turian erogynous zones actually are. The mandibles? The neck? Under the chin (like a cat :wub:)? And I know it's fanon, but I imagine the after-headbump love scene going a lot like this (click for big):

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It's just so perfect. I can imagine that the area between the neck and the ridge would be quite sensitive, as well as the back of the neck.

Modifié par jellobell, 24 février 2012 - 05:25 .


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YvetteAngel

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CrazyIvan93 wrote...

YvetteAngel wrote...

CrazyIvan93 wrote...

 Am I (I as in me and not Shepard) the only one that wants Garrus in bed? ;););):wub:


The sexy beast that he is?  Hella no girl,  you're not the only one<3


.....Im a guy....LOL:D


LOL, you're still not the only one Ivan.:kissing:

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YvetteAngel wrote...

CrazyIvan93 wrote...

YvetteAngel wrote...

CrazyIvan93 wrote...

 Am I (I as in me and not Shepard) the only one that wants Garrus in bed? ;););):wub:


The sexy beast that he is?  Hella no girl,  you're not the only one<3


.....Im a guy....LOL:D


LOL, you're still not the only one Ivan.:kissing:


Thanks, its just that sometimes I feel like a complete derp:pinched: for loving a fictional character:unsure: ...

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CrazyIvan93 wrote...

YvetteAngel wrote...

CrazyIvan93 wrote...

YvetteAngel wrote...

CrazyIvan93 wrote...

 Am I (I as in me and not Shepard) the only one that wants Garrus in bed? ;););):wub:


The sexy beast that he is?  Hella no girl,  you're not the only one<3


.....Im a guy....LOL:D


LOL, you're still not the only one Ivan.:kissing:


Thanks, its just that sometimes I feel like a complete derp:pinched: for loving a fictional character:unsure: ...


Ah, what would life be like without fantasy?:wizard:

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He, thanks for everyone that has welcomed me here .. I really have to post more often here - you can never talk too much about our favorite turian, can you? :P

Woah - this Thread moves fastern than lightning .. I have to catch up on all those sites, especialla since you all write such insightful und long and amazing posts ^_^


And since this seems to be the topic right now .. I, myself, have read some spoilers a long time ago, but I don't think it was all of it .. just some dialoge - and now I tell myself (and it's really really hard since I normally spoil myself on everything 'cause I'm just so goddam impatien :P) that I will not read any other spoilers, be it about Garrus or other characters and the game in general .. I have to stay strong. But I can say, what I have read all those months ago, was really good and I'm dying to see it play out in the game .. hurry up March 8th (or 9th since I will get in on the 8th but as my mum and I will go see a musical show that day I will not be able to play it 'till the next day :unsure:) .. hurry uuuuup.


Oh and on a more random note - I have now tried the Multiplayer and i LOVE it .. never thought I would, but I do. Sometimes the servers frustrate me and kick me out every 5 minutes but .. other than that it's great. If someone wants to team up - like I said, just PM me and we can kick some Cerberus ass B)
I also had the luck to play with a few turians and I was always squeaking when I saw that one was in my group and - like so many of you - I just followed him around :D Now if I can unlock myself a pretty turian I would be the happiest girl on earth .. :wizard:

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Those turians are tough as nails in multiplayer, too. Be sure to pick up a sniper rifle when you unlock one. :wizard: