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[Kiraiko44]

YvetteAngel wrote...

Kiraiko44 wrote...

zomg tonight at midnight will mark one week until ME3 is released!!!!!

Yaye!!  

Why does it still feel like a 14,000 years away still??

i know D: HURRY! If it weren't for the fact that i have to pack this week i'd want to just hibernate until the release lol I'm doing PC digital download so i can garantee i will be sitting at this computer all night eagerly awaiting that button to say 'ready for download'

[Yojimaru]

jellobell wrote...

I suck at french; I'm a terrible Canadian.

Anyways, I was skimming the Kaidan thread and I noticed that they were talking about whether or not they'd want marriage/a proposal in ME3. How about you guys? What are your thoughts on Garrus and Shepard getting married?

Personally, I wouldn't mind but it isn't required, and only if it isn't a huge flamboyant kind of thing. classy, understated, and heartfelt would be preferable.

Also, I've read quite a few fanfics that use "mate" or "mated" to refer to Garrus and Shepard once they're together, and I'm sorta ehhhh about the use of the word. It sounds too animalistic, and it gives me flashbacks to people arguing that a Garrus romance is like bestiality. I prefer the use of the word "partner" instead. It fits a lot better, I find.

Well there is a Turian (Ogrinn) in ME2 that uses the word mate to refer to his lover I think. If you stand near him after completing the Batarian Bartender assignment in Omega he'll say a few things, one of which is "I have a mate and a ship, I only brought one of them to Omega."

[TNT1991]

Almost  a week until ME3! We need a Garrus gif for this special occasion. Woot!  <3

Modifié par TNT1991, 27 février 2012 - 09:01 .

[jellobell]

Yojimaru wrote...

Well there is a Turian (Ogrinn) in ME2 that uses the word mate to refer to his lover I think. If you stand near him after completing the Batarian Bartender assignment in Omega he'll say a few things, one of which is "I have a mate and a ship, I only brought one of them to Omega."

Ah, that's right. Well he's a sleazeball so it sounds right coming from him.

And is his name really Ogrinn? Sounds suspiciously like Oghren.

[Syraniss]

jellobell wrote...

What are your thoughts on Garrus and Shepard getting married?

Personally I think marriage is a little overrated, as it does not legitimize love, rather it seems to symbolize a union in a way that's socially acceptable to other people. But a union of two can be expressed in different ways, especially between species. 

I'm with you on the fics. I don't know if I like the terminology behind being mated, but since there is not a lot of information to go on how the turians represent relationships in their culture it's difficult to know what would be the best route. I do remember the turian council member has a mistress, meaning he might have a wife, and with that in mind...

I'm not really sure how Garrus' character will develop with Shepard, but I imagine (hope, really) that he will be interested in maintaining a solid, monogamous relationship regardless of the status (married, partnered, etc...) I would really be happy with any symbolic gesture of romantic solidarity though.

[McNoobish]

TNT1991 wrote...

Almost  a week until ME3! We need a Garrus gif for this special occasion. Woot!  <3

Damn it sexy garrus, don't taunt me by reminding me that us Europeans have to wait all the way to march 9th to see your ME3 sexyness

[Bhictoo]

jellobell wrote...

I suck at french; I'm a terrible Canadian.

Anyways, I was skimming the Kaidan thread and I noticed that they were talking about whether or not they'd want marriage/a proposal in ME3. How about you guys? What are your thoughts on Garrus and Shepard getting married?

Personally, I wouldn't mind but it isn't required, and only if it isn't a huge flamboyant kind of thing. classy, understated, and heartfelt would be preferable.

Also, I've read quite a few fanfics that use "mate" or "mated" to refer to Garrus and Shepard once they're together, and I'm sorta ehhhh about the use of the word. It sounds too animalistic, and it gives me flashbacks to people arguing that a Garrus romance is like bestiality. I prefer the use of the word "partner" instead. It fits a lot better, I find.



The only Garrus who should say "mate"

Too true.  I think the "mate" is used based on what that Turian in the bar says.  The Asari use 'bondmate,' but I'm not too keen on that either although it's better than "mate."

I could live with out a proposal, but if one were to happen, it would have to be an adorkable Garrus type one.

So it's french day?  um.... errr... viva la france?!!! <3

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Modifié par Bhictoo, 27 février 2012 - 09:05 .

[YvetteAngel]

Kiraiko44 wrote...

YvetteAngel wrote...

Kiraiko44 wrote...

zomg tonight at midnight will mark one week until ME3 is released!!!!!

Yaye!!  

Why does it still feel like a 14,000 years away still??

i know D: HURRY! If it weren't for the fact that i have to pack this week i'd want to just hibernate until the release lol I'm doing PC digital download so i can garantee i will be sitting at this computer all night eagerly awaiting that button to say 'ready for download'

It's good you have packing to do, I need to either file papers or hibernate for 7 days...I think hibernation wins!! 
That's one upside of the PC, nice!   Our drive to GameStop is going to feel verrrrry long.

[jellobell]

Bhictoo wrote...
Too true.  I think the "mate" is used based on what that Turian in the bar says.  The Asari use 'bondmate,' but I'm not too keen on that either although it's better than "mate."

"Bondmate" is okay in my books but yeah, it isn't ideal. I just think that the word "Partner" really expresses the type of relationship that Shepard and Garrus have. When you hear Partner you think trust and loyalty; when you hear "Mate" you think...sex, essentially, and that isn't the defining thing about their relationship.

And French terms of endearment are awesome. *sigh* If only Garrus would refer to Shepard as "Mon petit Chou".

[Kiraiko44]

Syraniss wrote...

jellobell wrote...

What are your thoughts on Garrus and Shepard getting married?

Personally I think marriage is a little overrated, as it does not legitimize love, rather it seems to symbolize a union in a way that's socially acceptable to other people. But a union of two can be expressed in different ways, especially between species. 

I'm with you on the fics. I don't know if I like the terminology behind being mated, but since there is not a lot of information to go on how the turians represent relationships in their culture it's difficult to know what would be the best route. I do remember the turian council member has a mistress, meaning he might have a wife, and with that in mind...

I'm not really sure how Garrus' character will develop with Shepard, but I imagine (hope, really) that he will be interested in maintaining a solid, monogamous relationship regardless of the status (married, partnered, etc...) I would really be happy with any symbolic gesture of romantic solidarity though.

i'm not bothered by the term 'mate' but i can understand why people wouldn't be comfortable with it when refering to Garrus and Shepherd. I dunno if the Turians would use it or not... They're a pretty advanced race but they're very Spartan when it comes to social ties and family, etc, so i always imagined they would be much more practical about things like this and less emotion driven. I'm sure they do bond for love and such but I would imagine it doesn't carry the same weight as in our society. Garrus mentions the casual sex with the female he sparred with and they were squadmates. Here on earth that isn't allowed so I almost want to say they view sex, love, and 'marriage' as vseparate things where as we tend to view them as linked. So if I had to take a guess I'd say that casual sex isn't frowned upon nor is being in love, but when it comes to getting married and producing children its a much more practical decision. In Sparta you married a man or a woman because the union would produce strong, healthy soldiers for the state and Turians are VERY military.  (i could be mistaken but doesn't it say military service is required?)

does any of that make any sense? i have a headache...

[Yojimaru]

jellobell wrote...


Ah, that's right. Well he's a sleazeball so it sounds right coming from him.

And is his name really Ogrinn? Sounds suspiciously like Oghren.

People on the Mass Effect wiki made that connection as well!

[McNoobish]

On the marriage topic, do turians even get married? I don't think the codex mentiones it and the games themselves aren't very open about turian culture. While ol' Valern may have a mistress that means he isn't her husband. About specifically Shep and Garrus? Well they can if they want (execute a human tradition if turians don't do anything similar), though I have a hard time imagining my femshep at a wedding (even Garrus for that matter). If it does happen, will everybody who Shepard helped (aka the whole galaxy) be invited? Or just the Normandy crew and some close friends (who are still alive)

[Kiraiko44]

McNoobish wrote...

On the marriage topic, do turians even get married? I don't think the codex mentiones it and the games themselves aren't very open about turian culture. While ol' Valern may have a mistress that means he isn't her husband. About specifically Shep and Garrus? Well they can if they want (execute a human tradition if turians don't do anything similar), though I have a hard time imagining my femshep at a wedding (even Garrus for that matter). If it does happen, will everybody who Shepard helped (aka the whole galaxy) be invited? Or just the Normandy crew and some close friends (who are still alive)

well garrus mentions his father a good bit, he was obviously around when he was growing up, and you find about his mother as well so i'm guessing that even if they don't get 'married' the parents share responsibility on raising their children.

[Syraniss]

Kiraiko44 wrote...

Syraniss wrote...

jellobell wrote...

What are your thoughts on Garrus and Shepard getting married?

Personally I think marriage is a little overrated, as it does not legitimize love, rather it seems to symbolize a union in a way that's socially acceptable to other people. But a union of two can be expressed in different ways, especially between species. 

I'm with you on the fics. I don't know if I like the terminology behind being mated, but since there is not a lot of information to go on how the turians represent relationships in their culture it's difficult to know what would be the best route. I do remember the turian council member has a mistress, meaning he might have a wife, and with that in mind...

I'm not really sure how Garrus' character will develop with Shepard, but I imagine (hope, really) that he will be interested in maintaining a solid, monogamous relationship regardless of the status (married, partnered, etc...) I would really be happy with any symbolic gesture of romantic solidarity though.

i'm not bothered by the term 'mate' but i can understand why people wouldn't be comfortable with it when refering to Garrus and Shepherd. I dunno if the Turians would use it or not... They're a pretty advanced race but they're very Spartan when it comes to social ties and family, etc, so i always imagined they would be much more practical about things like this and less emotion driven. I'm sure they do bond for love and such but I would imagine it doesn't carry the same weight as in our society. Garrus mentions the casual sex with the female he sparred with and they were squadmates. Here on earth that isn't allowed so I almost want to say they view sex, love, and 'marriage' as vseparate things where as we tend to view them as linked. So if I had to take a guess I'd say that casual sex isn't frowned upon nor is being in love, but when it comes to getting married and producing children its a much more practical decision. In Sparta you married a man or a woman because the union would produce strong, healthy soldiers for the state and Turians are VERY military.  (i could be mistaken but doesn't it say military service is required?)

does any of that make any sense? i have a headache...

It makes a great deal of sense, yes. Economical reasons are still why many people are married so the council turian may be married for political reasons and have a mistress for sexual purposes.

But now I can't help but remember that Garrus says he isn't a very good turian, and I wonder what that implies in the context of the discussion. =)

[McNoobish]

Kiraiko44 wrote...

i'm not bothered by the term 'mate' but i can understand why people wouldn't be comfortable with it when refering to Garrus and Shepherd. I dunno if the Turians would use it or not... They're a pretty advanced race but they're very Spartan when it comes to social ties and family, etc, so i always imagined they would be much more practical about things like this and less emotion driven. I'm sure they do bond for love and such but I would imagine it doesn't carry the same weight as in our society. Garrus mentions the casual sex with the female he sparred with and they were squadmates. Here on earth that isn't allowed so I almost want to say they view sex, love, and 'marriage' as vseparate things where as we tend to view them as linked. So if I had to take a guess I'd say that casual sex isn't frowned upon nor is being in love, but when it comes to getting married and producing children its a much more practical decision. In Sparta you married a man or a woman because the union would produce strong, healthy soldiers for the state and Turians are VERY military.  (i could be mistaken but doesn't it say military service is required?)

does any of that make any sense? i have a headache...

Actually this didn''t bother anybody because it didn't interfere with the mission. As much as we know about turian culture from the codex, everything is allowed as long as it doesn't interfere with work. (well, murder and stuff isn't but things like drugs and sex with co-workers isn't considered unethical if they do their job the same way)

Modifié par McNoobish, 27 février 2012 - 09:24 .

[PalAvian]

I don’t mind the ‘mate’  thang but I do not like the whole vampiristic fixation some fanfic authors seem to have with ‘marking’ and impossibly sharp nails that can cut through titanium, handy for fighting but impractical for everything else unless they’re retractable and I don’t think they are.

[Kiraiko44]

Syraniss wrote...

Kiraiko44 wrote...

Syraniss wrote...

jellobell wrote...

What are your thoughts on Garrus and Shepard getting married?

Personally I think marriage is a little overrated, as it does not legitimize love, rather it seems to symbolize a union in a way that's socially acceptable to other people. But a union of two can be expressed in different ways, especially between species. 

I'm with you on the fics. I don't know if I like the terminology behind being mated, but since there is not a lot of information to go on how the turians represent relationships in their culture it's difficult to know what would be the best route. I do remember the turian council member has a mistress, meaning he might have a wife, and with that in mind...

I'm not really sure how Garrus' character will develop with Shepard, but I imagine (hope, really) that he will be interested in maintaining a solid, monogamous relationship regardless of the status (married, partnered, etc...) I would really be happy with any symbolic gesture of romantic solidarity though.

i'm not bothered by the term 'mate' but i can understand why people wouldn't be comfortable with it when refering to Garrus and Shepherd. I dunno if the Turians would use it or not... They're a pretty advanced race but they're very Spartan when it comes to social ties and family, etc, so i always imagined they would be much more practical about things like this and less emotion driven. I'm sure they do bond for love and such but I would imagine it doesn't carry the same weight as in our society. Garrus mentions the casual sex with the female he sparred with and they were squadmates. Here on earth that isn't allowed so I almost want to say they view sex, love, and 'marriage' as vseparate things where as we tend to view them as linked. So if I had to take a guess I'd say that casual sex isn't frowned upon nor is being in love, but when it comes to getting married and producing children its a much more practical decision. In Sparta you married a man or a woman because the union would produce strong, healthy soldiers for the state and Turians are VERY military.  (i could be mistaken but doesn't it say military service is required?)

does any of that make any sense? i have a headache...

It makes a great deal of sense, yes. Economical reasons are still why many people are married so the council turian may be married for political reasons and have a mistress for sexual purposes.

But now I can't help but remember that Garrus says he isn't a very good turian, and I wonder what that implies in the context of the discussion. =)

exactly. they might have a different view on woman having extramarital affairs tho if only because if she gets pregnant by another male her 'mate' probably wouldn't be willing to raise them.

lmao he really isn't a very good Turian. I've noticed most of them are much more strict unless they're criminals in some sort. But either way you don't see many of them being very emotional. The only case I can think of is Septimus in 1 when he's all in love with the Consort and upset that she won't be with him the way he wants. Thats really the only time i can think of, whether they're 'good' or 'bad', most seem either straight-laced and strict or borderline cut throat. I'm sure they have deep running emotions but their culture might not encourage them to express them. Septimus was an older Turian, he probably doesn't give a shirt anymore whats 'proper' and whats not lol. And Garrus is obviously uncomfortable with affection but he seems much more sensitive than most Turians

[Bhictoo]

jellobell wrote...

And French terms of endearment are awesome. *sigh* If only Garrus would refer to Shepard as "Mon petit Chou".

Lol.  I had to look that up. 

Just so long as I have lots of Garrus.  I've played every class in the demo, and each one of them has rolled into Garrus an embarrassing number of times.  

I'm using that screen shot you posted of Garrus, by Meken(?) as my new backround.  I've had the Arishok on there for ages, to remind me of that stupid fight my poor rogue had to go through and to never take Fenris with me, if I ever play DA2 again. Plus, not having Garrus on my desktop meant I'm not actually a Garrus fangirl.  Kind of a pointless denial now, although I draw the line at 'rabid.'  

[McNoobish]

PalAvian wrote...

I don’t mind the ‘mate’  thang but I do not like the whole vampiristic fixation some fanfic authors seem to have with ‘marking’ and impossibly sharp nails that can cut through titanium, handy for fighting but impractical for everything else unless they’re retractable and I don’t think they are.

Yeah, this has been discussed before, and I also find it a bit disturbing how they describe turians as beasts with animal instinct. For example they say they bite their mate to "mark" them and other animalistic stuff that a civilised nation like the turians won't actually do.

Modifié par McNoobish, 27 février 2012 - 09:33 .

[Kiraiko44]

McNoobish wrote...

Kiraiko44 wrote...

i'm not bothered by the term 'mate' but i can understand why people wouldn't be comfortable with it when refering to Garrus and Shepherd. I dunno if the Turians would use it or not... They're a pretty advanced race but they're very Spartan when it comes to social ties and family, etc, so i always imagined they would be much more practical about things like this and less emotion driven. I'm sure they do bond for love and such but I would imagine it doesn't carry the same weight as in our society. Garrus mentions the casual sex with the female he sparred with and they were squadmates. Here on earth that isn't allowed so I almost want to say they view sex, love, and 'marriage' as vseparate things where as we tend to view them as linked. So if I had to take a guess I'd say that casual sex isn't frowned upon nor is being in love, but when it comes to getting married and producing children its a much more practical decision. In Sparta you married a man or a woman because the union would produce strong, healthy soldiers for the state and Turians are VERY military.  (i could be mistaken but doesn't it say military service is required?)

does any of that make any sense? i have a headache...

Actually this didn''t bother anybody because it didn't interfere with the mission. As much as we know about turian culture from the codex, everything is allowed as long as it doesn't interfere with work. (well, murder and stuff isn't but things like drugs and sex with co-workers isn't considered unethical if they do their job the same way)

yeah but thats what i'm saying, they have a very different mentality towards duty. You can do what you want as long as you do what you're supposed to. Like Syraniss suggested, they could marry for economic or political reasons but then have a mistress. Here, we view love and sex as linked (for the most part) so we would never allow squadmates out on the field to have a sexual relationship even if it doesn't technically effect their mission. I could go on and on with why but that would never fly in the Alliance I bet.

[PalAvian]

McNoobish wrote...

Yeah, this has been discussed before, and I also find it a bit disturbing how they describe turians as beasts with animal instinct. For example they say they bite their mate to "mark" them and other animalistic stuff that a civilised nation like the turians won't actually do.

That’s my rationale too. A bit of roughness around the edges is perfectly fine, now full blown animalistic behavior just doesn’t fit with a civilization far older than ours, no.

[Kiraiko44]

PalAvian wrote...

McNoobish wrote...

Yeah, this has been discussed before, and I also find it a bit disturbing how they describe turians as beasts with animal instinct. For example they say they bite their mate to "mark" them and other animalistic stuff that a civilised nation like the turians won't actually do.

That’s my rationale too. A bit of roughness around the edges is perfectly fine, now full blown animalistic behavior just doesn’t fit with a civilization far older than ours, no.

i agree, they'd probably frown on something like that actually since most of them seem pretty strict and controlled (barring the criminal type ones that is lol)

[McNoobish]

Kiraiko44 wrote...

McNoobish wrote...

Kiraiko44 wrote...

i'm not bothered by the term 'mate' but i can understand why people wouldn't be comfortable with it when refering to Garrus and Shepherd. I dunno if the Turians would use it or not... They're a pretty advanced race but they're very Spartan when it comes to social ties and family, etc, so i always imagined they would be much more practical about things like this and less emotion driven. I'm sure they do bond for love and such but I would imagine it doesn't carry the same weight as in our society. Garrus mentions the casual sex with the female he sparred with and they were squadmates. Here on earth that isn't allowed so I almost want to say they view sex, love, and 'marriage' as vseparate things where as we tend to view them as linked. So if I had to take a guess I'd say that casual sex isn't frowned upon nor is being in love, but when it comes to getting married and producing children its a much more practical decision. In Sparta you married a man or a woman because the union would produce strong, healthy soldiers for the state and Turians are VERY military.  (i could be mistaken but doesn't it say military service is required?)

does any of that make any sense? i have a headache...

Actually this didn''t bother anybody because it didn't interfere with the mission. As much as we know about turian culture from the codex, everything is allowed as long as it doesn't interfere with work. (well, murder and stuff isn't but things like drugs and sex with co-workers isn't considered unethical if they do their job the same way)

yeah but thats what i'm saying, they have a very different mentality towards duty. You can do what you want as long as you do what you're supposed to. Like Syraniss suggested, they could marry for economic or political reasons but then have a mistress. Here, we view love and sex as linked (for the most part) so we would never allow squadmates out on the field to have a sexual relationship even if it doesn't technically effect their mission. I could go on and on with why but that would never fly in the Alliance I bet.

Well yeah, I wasn't disagreeing just explaining. Though that still doesn't prove that they have a form of marriage humans do. I mean of course if two turians want to be married similarly to humans, they can. But it doesn't mean it's a tradition among the species. At best we can speculate now, until it is further explained by the games (if that ever happens)

[PalAvian]

^ Joining the above discussion, perhaps a form of marriage is saved as a formality/tradition only for couples in influential places. Bit like following protocol...

Modifié par PalAvian, 27 février 2012 - 09:47 .

[Kiraiko44]

McNoobish wrote...

Kiraiko44 wrote...

McNoobish wrote...

Kiraiko44 wrote...

i'm not bothered by the term 'mate' but i can understand why people wouldn't be comfortable with it when refering to Garrus and Shepherd. I dunno if the Turians would use it or not... They're a pretty advanced race but they're very Spartan when it comes to social ties and family, etc, so i always imagined they would be much more practical about things like this and less emotion driven. I'm sure they do bond for love and such but I would imagine it doesn't carry the same weight as in our society. Garrus mentions the casual sex with the female he sparred with and they were squadmates. Here on earth that isn't allowed so I almost want to say they view sex, love, and 'marriage' as vseparate things where as we tend to view them as linked. So if I had to take a guess I'd say that casual sex isn't frowned upon nor is being in love, but when it comes to getting married and producing children its a much more practical decision. In Sparta you married a man or a woman because the union would produce strong, healthy soldiers for the state and Turians are VERY military.  (i could be mistaken but doesn't it say military service is required?)

does any of that make any sense? i have a headache...

Actually this didn''t bother anybody because it didn't interfere with the mission. As much as we know about turian culture from the codex, everything is allowed as long as it doesn't interfere with work. (well, murder and stuff isn't but things like drugs and sex with co-workers isn't considered unethical if they do their job the same way)

yeah but thats what i'm saying, they have a very different mentality towards duty. You can do what you want as long as you do what you're supposed to. Like Syraniss suggested, they could marry for economic or political reasons but then have a mistress. Here, we view love and sex as linked (for the most part) so we would never allow squadmates out on the field to have a sexual relationship even if it doesn't technically effect their mission. I could go on and on with why but that would never fly in the Alliance I bet.

Well yeah, I wasn't disagreeing just explaining. Though that still doesn't prove that they have a form of marriage humans do. I mean of course if two turians want to be married similarly to humans, they can. But it doesn't mean it's a tradition among the species. At best we can speculate now, until it is further explained by the games (if that ever happens)

explaining what? i was saying that i could see why people wouldn't like the term 'mate' especially when referring to Garrus and Shep

but I agree, we don't know if Turians marry or not. Honestly I'm split on whether they would or not. Part of me thinks it makes more sense with their culture that they don't and have some other sort of possibly legal binding between two Turians that produce young. But apart of me thinks they might.

For example, Salarians don't marry, they just have breeding contracts and Asari bond but i dont see them getting married unless they're with a human partner that really wants it.


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