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Whooo! New thread! And for the new people who don't get the table joke ^_^ We just found it funny that the guy gets hit by rockets, 3 merc groups at once, a gunship, bullets (especially if you pick him as squad leader) pretty much survives everything the universe throws at him , yet he's foiled..

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Does anyone here think it'll be worth it to make a completely unromanced save for ME3 since apparently at least some of the romances are going to have 'multiple entry points'?... I kind of want to do it, I just don't know if the romance will be different enough to warrant the torture of going through all of ME2 and not romancing Garrus.

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Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Does anyone here think it'll be worth it to make a completely unromanced save for ME3 since apparently at least some of the romances are going to have 'multiple entry points'?... I kind of want to do it, I just don't know if the romance will be different enough to warrant the torture of going through all of ME2 and not romancing Garrus.


ME3 will have a comic to select the choices, so if you don't go to play through the whole games, you always can replay ME3 and change those choices.

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Ah, I think I'll hold off then. Good, I wasn't looking forward to telling Garrus I just wanted to spar. >_>

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Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Ah, I think I'll hold off then. Good, I wasn't looking forward to telling Garrus I just wanted to spar. >_>


"I didn't think you felt like sparring, Commander.."

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Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Does anyone here think it'll be worth it to make a completely unromanced save for ME3 since apparently at least some of the romances are going to have 'multiple entry points'?... I kind of want to do it, I just don't know if the romance will be different enough to warrant the torture of going through all of ME2 and not romancing Garrus.


I definitely did a no romance PT. I want to see what this "multiple entry point" stuff is all about for myself. I have a feeling bioware will make it worth our while. Maybe Garrus will initiate things this time. HOT.

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Platform_Error wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Does anyone here think it'll be worth it to make a completely unromanced save for ME3 since apparently at least some of the romances are going to have 'multiple entry points'?... I kind of want to do it, I just don't know if the romance will be different enough to warrant the torture of going through all of ME2 and not romancing Garrus.


I definitely did a no romance PT. I want to see what this "multiple entry point" stuff is all about for myself. I have a feeling bioware will make it worth our while. Maybe Garrus will initiate things this time. HOT.

:wub:Oh That would be awesome if he made the first move!<3

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leonia42 wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Ah, I think I'll hold off then. Good, I wasn't looking forward to telling Garrus I just wanted to spar. >_>


"I didn't think you felt like sparring, Commander.."

[long pause]

<_<
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Me: ... Next PT I'll do it, I swear. [clicks romance starter dialogue]

@Platform_Error: Garrus starting up the romance would be THE BEST.

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Good Chaos7 wrote...

Platform_Error wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Does anyone here think it'll be worth it to make a completely unromanced save for ME3 since apparently at least some of the romances are going to have 'multiple entry points'?... I kind of want to do it, I just don't know if the romance will be different enough to warrant the torture of going through all of ME2 and not romancing Garrus.


I definitely did a no romance PT. I want to see what this "multiple entry point" stuff is all about for myself. I have a feeling bioware will make it worth our while. Maybe Garrus will initiate things this time. HOT.

:wub:Oh That would be awesome if he made the first move!<3


I know, right?!:wub::wub::wub:

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Bolboreta wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Does anyone here think it'll be worth it to make a completely unromanced save for ME3 since apparently at least some of the romances are going to have 'multiple entry points'?... I kind of want to do it, I just don't know if the romance will be different enough to warrant the torture of going through all of ME2 and not romancing Garrus.


ME3 will have a comic to select the choices, so if you don't go to play through the whole games, you always can replay ME3 and change those choices.



I don't know how they are going to do it without it being a bit of a clusterfudge. If you can romance everyone anyway without having to previously romance them, that means ME3 will have 9+ romances available at once!! So does that mean Shepard can have love decagons 0_o?  Also you run into  the problem of either repeating the previous romance subplot OR making the previous plot irrelevant if you DON'T bring up the prior important stuff (so a catch 22)

So if you can romance Gar WITHOUT doing so in ME2 will that mean ANOTHER interspecies "how are we going to do this" theme again? I just don’t want dialogue and script to be wasted on the same themes we’ve heard already I just want them to move on at this point instead of making rehashes.  And I ALSO don’t want the ME2 romance to be “skippable” or “irrelevant” and it will seem that way if you can just enter into the deep emotional part of it in ME3 without having to romance him in ME2. Like I said it’s a catch 22.
Honestly I think that if you don’t pick him in the comic or romance him in an ME2 import then there shouldn’t be another starting point, ME3 shouldn’t be an entry point to the series anyway IMO.

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I wondered if there would be some manner of "multiple entry point" for previous romance options. I guess that means I better fire up the xbox and do another play through. I'm interested to see how they change it up, if that's what they do.

It would definitely be cool if Garrus initiated it in the third game. Talk about replay value too, geeze. I don't think I've beaten a game as many times as I have ME and ME2. I don't much care for the decisions you start out with in ME2 if you don't carry over a file so I'm not sure if I'd want to simply start out in ME3 with a new game either...depends on how many choices you have for what you start out with.

Anyhow, hello Garrus Thread. Been a while.

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I don't know how they are going to do it without it being a bit of a clusterfudge. If you can romance everyone anyway without having to previously romance them, that means ME3 will have 9+ romances available at once!! So does that mean Shepard can have love decagons 0_o?  Also you run into  the problem of either repeating the previous romance subplot OR making the previous plot irrelevant if you DON'T bring up the prior important stuff (so a catch 22)

So if you can romance Gar WITHOUT doing so in ME2 will that mean ANOTHER interspecies "how are we going to do this" theme again? I just don’t want dialogue and script to be wasted on the same themes we’ve heard already I just want them to move on at this point instead of making rehashes.  And I ALSO don’t want the ME2 romance to be “skippable” or “irrelevant” and it will seem that way if you can just enter into the deep emotional part of it in ME3 without having to romance him in ME2. Like I said it’s a catch 22.
Honestly I think that if you don’t pick him in the comic or romance him in an ME2 import then there shouldn’t be another starting point, ME3 shouldn’t be an entry point to the series anyway IMO.

I agree with everything you've said. This is my concern as well and I'd rather they didn't waste time and resources opening up the relationships to new players (I really don't think they should coddle new players like they do, since I think people who are slightly lost in the plot but still enjoy the game would have even MORE reason to buy the previous installments). I'd rather they go with quality in the romances over variety of choice.

However, since it's implied that they're doing that, I'm definitely going to end up trying it just for the sake of seeing how they handle it.

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Just popping in to say great work, Chim, as always!

Less calibrations and more headbumps. ME3 can't come soon enough!

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Hello Garrus thread!! I've been a longtime unintentional-lurker because I simply can't keep up with you guys (you guys move fast). And I think I need to get into the livestream/skype stuff, because gosh darnit I need to know about those "tables" jokes. I love all the Garrus love around here, because that turian deserves it!!

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welcome, Rannin! :D yeah, we're a crazy bunch here, but never fear to post and give your opinions! :D

www.livestream.com/palaven is the LS. its awesome, though quiet now.

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Rannin wrote...

Hello Garrus thread!! I've been a longtime unintentional-lurker because I simply can't keep up with you guys (you guys move fast). And I think I need to get into the livestream/skype stuff, because gosh darnit I need to know about those "tables" jokes. I love all the Garrus love around here, because that turian deserves it!!


If you want to join the clan archangel skype group just PM me your skype username and I'll add ya ^_^

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Obsydian wrote...

welcome, Rannin! :D yeah, we're a crazy bunch here, but never fear to post and give your opinions! :D

www.livestream.com/palaven is the LS. its awesome, though quiet now.


thats an understatement XD

Welcome Rannin! Yes- we do move fast. In packs around the web actually Posted Image Livestream, skype, ...here on bsn. lol
And yes join skype! Thats where A LOT of the garrus inside jokes happen. We really dont discuss that much in depth outside the skype group to keep it hilarious XP Just some time ago, we made a new "pencil" joke. 
You can hear use curse, spazz like CRAZY about Garrus and all other turians.

.....and listen to us almost die laughing repeatedly.
If you ever decide to join just message me or Obsy, or just post it saying ur signed up at the calibrations thread and one of the skype clan members will add u into the group ^_^
This goes also for anyone who wants to join.
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Ya know....its funny how the title of this thread is "Less Calibrations" and its actually confirmed that Garrus wont be doing much of any calibrations anymore in me3. He's got more free time in other words Posted Image

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Ya know....its funny how the title of this thread is "Less Calibrations" and its actually confirmed that Garrus wont be doing much of any calibrations anymore in me3. He's got more free time in other words Posted Image

Bow chicka wow wow.

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Platform_Error wrote...

Good Chaos7 wrote...

Platform_Error wrote...
I definitely did a no romance PT. I want to see what this "multiple entry point" stuff is all about for myself. I have a feeling bioware will make it worth our while. Maybe Garrus will initiate things this time. HOT.

:wub:Oh That would be awesome if he made the first move!<3

I know, right?!:wub::wub::wub:


OMG ID LOVE THAT! But seeing as most ppl already have Garrus as a LI - Id love if he brought up the romantic "dirty" banter with Shep from time to time. Usually its Shep doing all the flirting and hints, let the chraracters do it for a change. OR if theyre already the LI, let them drop the witty comments Posted Image If garrus came around and whispered into Sheps ear something dirty......Id die from the hotness. Seriously. ......Then id reload and watch it again! XD

edit: Arcian : U catch on quick Posted Image thats EXACTLY what I meant.
 
~~~~Casey mentioned that he's wont be doing much of any calibrations this time around. Apparently he did enough calibrations for 2 normandys XD Now what he'll do with that free time is beyond me. *Curious* One can only hope ;3

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I would not be opposed to him taking metaphors somewhere horrible again in ME3. ;D

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Aris Ravenstar wrote...

I would not be opposed to him taking metaphors somewhere horrible again in ME3. ;D

And this time....on purpose.
And with that voice added to the mix.....Garrus talking like that......*instant melt*


then again really - he did that "popping heat sinks" metaphor "on purpose" !! Posted Image how can you have a conversation with a woman about......ya know....and then mention THAT! He had to had known where it would immediately go. LMAO. I know he was referring to the whole waiting til the last moment kinda thing, but seriously XD He said somewhere "horrible". Me and my femShep were thinking - "Somewhere horrible u say? How about somewhere EXACTLY where we wanted it to goPosted Image".

edit: Now that I think about it....I forgot who on tweeter mentioned that the dialog for certain characters in me3 are going to make fans "squeal". EEEEEEEEEEEEE! the possibilities! Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image

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Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

I don't know how they are going to do it without it being a bit of a clusterfudge. If you can romance everyone anyway without having to previously romance them, that means ME3 will have 9+ romances available at once!! So does that mean Shepard can have love decagons 0_o?  Also you run into  the problem of either repeating the previous romance subplot OR making the previous plot irrelevant if you DON'T bring up the prior important stuff (so a catch 22)

So if you can romance Gar WITHOUT doing so in ME2 will that mean ANOTHER interspecies "how are we going to do this" theme again? I just don’t want dialogue and script to be wasted on the same themes we’ve heard already I just want them to move on at this point instead of making rehashes.  And I ALSO don’t want the ME2 romance to be “skippable” or “irrelevant” and it will seem that way if you can just enter into the deep emotional part of it in ME3 without having to romance him in ME2. Like I said it’s a catch 22.
Honestly I think that if you don’t pick him in the comic or romance him in an ME2 import then there shouldn’t be another starting point, ME3 shouldn’t be an entry point to the series anyway IMO.

I agree with everything you've said. This is my concern as well and I'd rather they didn't waste time and resources opening up the relationships to new players (I really don't think they should coddle new players like they do, since I think people who are slightly lost in the plot but still enjoy the game would have even MORE reason to buy the previous installments). I'd rather they go with quality in the romances over variety of choice.

However, since it's implied that they're doing that, I'm definitely going to end up trying it just for the sake of seeing how they handle it.


Well, if they were going to do this, I think that by the time you're well into the third game it is conceivable that Garrus has been through enough with Shepard for the idea of them being together to come to him on his own.  The more time you spend around someone just getting to know them, the more potential there is to recognize that, "Hey, you know, I really kind of dig this person."

Realistically, you don't love bodies - you love people. I think that it is more likely Garrus would discover that he loves Shepard before it occurs to think of her in a sexual way, in which case the latter would come more naturally.  At that point Garrus might have passed the awkward stage to take on a more, "Let's do this" approach. If you love someone, you love them.

It could be really cool if done right because it would show the evolution of their companionship througout the three games. With each game they grow to depend on each other a little more - you don't go through all the things they have and not build strong bonds.

But that's just me. It'll be interesting to see what they do.

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Faerlyte wrote...

Well, if they were going to do this, I think that by the time you're well into the third game it is conceivable that Garrus has been through enough with Shepard for the idea of them being together to come to him on his own.  The more time you spend around someone just getting to know them, the more potential there is to recognize that, "Hey, you know, I really kind of dig this person."

Realistically, you don't love bodies - you love people. I think that it is more likely Garrus would discover that he loves Shepard before it occurs to think of her in a sexual way, in which case the latter would come more naturally.  At that point Garrus might have passed the awkward stage to take on a more, "Let's do this" approach. If you love someone, you love them.

It could be really cool if done right because it would show the evolution of their companionship througout the three games. With each game they grow to depend on each other a little more - you don't go through all the things they have and not build strong bonds.

But that's just me. It'll be interesting to see what they do.

I have no trouble seeing how they could make it work from a writing perspective, my main concern is that the relationship for those who romanced him in ME2 will suffer by adding the option to start a new relationship with him in ME3, either by...

- Cutting his number of romance lines in order to split it between the two 'versions'
- Wasting dialogue rehashing old themes from the ME2 romance (like him being nervous about their physical differences) because it'll be new to new players
- Or, and this is the worst, having some sort of 'break-up' occur in-between games so that no matter what you did you have to essentially 'start fresh' with him in ME3, just so they don't have to write many differences in the dialogue.

I think starting a relationship in ME3 could potentially be done really well, but as a long time fan obviously I think the priority should be a payoff for those of us that have been around since the first game.