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Karrie788 wrote...

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Maybe it has been mentioned before, but... Wasn't it touching that the first person Shepard mentions the dead child on Earth to is Garrus?

I found it... Perfect. Shepard has been haunted by it ever since, and after leaving Earth, when you think it's all forgotten, Shepard brings it up again... To Garrus.

Damn it. I wish I could romance him with my male Shepard. If playing through with MShepard is this touching, man, I better get some tissues ready for my FShepard playthrough. :crying:


What? When?


You only have Shep mention it if she isn't romancing him from ME2.  Its a Friend line.  If she is romancing him they kiss.  Its in the dialogue you get after you get Garrus off of Palavern in the Battery.

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I'm also kind of curious how long you can bounce between Garrus and Kaidan.

I've got a Shep who's my AU who romanced Kaidan, then Garrus and didn't look back. But I'm starting to wonder if I should have made another Kaidan mancer who steered clear during ME2. The convo for my Thane'mancing Kaidan'r Shepard was an interesting exchange.

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shnellegaming wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

Nissun wrote...

Maybe it has been mentioned before, but... Wasn't it touching that the first person Shepard mentions the dead child on Earth to is Garrus?

I found it... Perfect. Shepard has been haunted by it ever since, and after leaving Earth, when you think it's all forgotten, Shepard brings it up again... To Garrus.

Damn it. I wish I could romance him with my male Shepard. If playing through with MShepard is this touching, man, I better get some tissues ready for my FShepard playthrough. :crying:


What? When?


You only have Shep mention it if she isn't romancing him from ME2.  Its a Friend line.  If she is romancing him they kiss.  Its in the dialogue you get after you get Garrus off of Palavern in the Battery.


So it replaces the awsome  'Ill get a new scar for you honey'  dialogue?

Well it sounds nice and thoughtful of him, I might be looking ofr it on my maleShep run.

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silentstephi wrote...

I'm also kind of curious how long you can bounce between Garrus and Kaidan.

I've got a Shep who's my AU who romanced Kaidan, then Garrus and didn't look back. But I'm starting to wonder if I should have made another Kaidan mancer who steered clear during ME2. The convo for my Thane'mancing Kaidan'r Shepard was an interesting exchange.


Are you saying that Kaidan - to - Thane  romance arc gets acknowledge in some dialogue ?

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Yup. From both of them. It's intriguing how it'll end up. So far, make out with Thane and apology to Kaidan...

This particular Shepard is a bit messed in the head. -.- Poor girl.

As for my Kaidan to Garrus... 99% sure staying with Garrus, cause I wonder what his dialogue choices are if you bounce between the two.

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Replaying the game right now. Romance still amazing. Even with the endings in scope. Glad they didn't ruin everything.

Has anybody uploaded a video showing the consequences of "cheating" in the previous games?

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Speaking of Kaidan, I'm kind of...confused. The game is sort of acting like I never romanced him at all. After I reaffirmed my relationship with Garrus, I went to visit Kaidan, and he asked me if Garrus and I were a thing. I said yes, and he told me he understood why I felt betrayed on Horizon. And then that was pretty much it.

Later on during the "lunch" date thing, there was no UST or anything at all you'd expect - I thought maybe the issue of Garrus would come up again, but the two acted like they'd just been friends the entire time and never slept together. Creepiest of all was when my Shepard told Kaidan he was like a brother to her. Um, WHAT :blink: SHEPARD, NO.

Is this normal? I thought I saw someone say that they DID discuss the problem a bit more during the lunch date, but I didn't get that at all. Just weirdo-creepy Shep.

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AlphaDormante wrote...

Speaking of Kaidan, I'm kind of...confused. The game is sort of acting like I never romanced him at all. After I reaffirmed my relationship with Garrus, I went to visit Kaidan, and he asked me if Garrus and I were a thing. I said yes, and he told me he understood why I felt betrayed on Horizon. And then that was pretty much it.

Later on during the "lunch" date thing, there was no UST or anything at all you'd expect - I thought maybe the issue of Garrus would come up again, but the two acted like they'd just been friends the entire time and never slept together. Creepiest of all was when my Shepard told Kaidan he was like a brother to her. Um, WHAT :blink: SHEPARD, NO.

Is this normal? I thought I saw someone say that they DID discuss the problem a bit more during the lunch date, but I didn't get that at all. Just weirdo-creepy Shep.


Well I got an awkward 'theres something we need to talk about' dinner with Kaidan, so heres my guess :

Depending on when you get locked in either relationship, the other one is gonna reverse to the friendship path earlier or later. If you ignore the issue longer or try to play both guys, youll eventually have to choose who you prefer on their 'date' moment. Thats when I believe things get fully locked.

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ooooh, that explains it. yeah, i expected Kaidan to yell at me. or something. i hope i chose right to get the awkwardness. cause thats more realistic. and thats what i want.

also... cute awkwardness from garrus.

well. i can confirm. i think i've officially ended it with kaidan. with 0 drama. and i'm not sure i like that..

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Obsydian wrote...

ooooh, that explains it. yeah, i expected Kaidan to yell at me. or something. i hope i chose right to get the awkwardness. cause thats more realistic. and thats what i want.

also... cute awkwardness from garrus.


Were really not talking about the same awkwardness here my friend

Kaidan's awkward date moment: 'You know Shep many people dont like my integrity, but its ok cause I got you. Right Shep?' :unsure:

Garrs awkward moment: 'While you were on Earth I watch all those vids... but it was for science! Now I've got this top 3 we should try...' :kissing:B)

I paraphrase but you see where its headed... :whistle:

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Just a quick question. I've just completed Sur'kesh...and apart from Jack, no one seems to acknowledge Shep/Garrus's relationship. Is it too early for other squaddies to comment on it? Does it have to be "locked" before they comment?

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outmane wrote...

AlphaDormante wrote...

Speaking of Kaidan, I'm kind of...confused. The game is sort of acting like I never romanced him at all. After I reaffirmed my relationship with Garrus, I went to visit Kaidan, and he asked me if Garrus and I were a thing. I said yes, and he told me he understood why I felt betrayed on Horizon. And then that was pretty much it.

Later on during the "lunch" date thing, there was no UST or anything at all you'd expect - I thought maybe the issue of Garrus would come up again, but the two acted like they'd just been friends the entire time and never slept together. Creepiest of all was when my Shepard told Kaidan he was like a brother to her. Um, WHAT :blink: SHEPARD, NO.

Is this normal? I thought I saw someone say that they DID discuss the problem a bit more during the lunch date, but I didn't get that at all. Just weirdo-creepy Shep.


Well I got an awkward 'theres something we need to talk about' dinner with Kaidan, so heres my guess :

Depending on when you get locked in either relationship, the other one is gonna reverse to the friendship path earlier or later. If you ignore the issue longer or try to play both guys, youll eventually have to choose who you prefer on their 'date' moment. Thats when I believe things get fully locked.


Ah, I see. Out of curiosity, did you lie to Kaidan? The only possible  opportunity I saw for being "locked" out of the Kaidanmance was revealing to him the relationship between Shepard and Garrus, but I'd definitely have liked for it to be addressed more than a few simple "oh okay sorry about horizon" lines and then a complete revert to friendship. Though if I have to lie about Garrus for that to happen...sigh.

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Baka-no-Neko wrote...

Just a quick question. I've just completed Sur'kesh...and apart from Jack, no one seems to acknowledge Shep/Garrus's relationship. Is it too early for other squaddies to comment on it? Does it have to be "locked" before they comment?


yeah... same here. 

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also. sorry for the double post, but i have to say something. the alternate armor for Garrus.... omg. it has the archangel symbol on it and its gorgeous. i lvoe the blue and silver, but the alt armor... damn. that is just 9000 kinds of sexy. and all kinds of throwback to ME1.

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Has anyone finished a Game+ playthrough yet? It said there was a secret ending and I'm curious as to what that is but...

I don't think I can ever playthrough Mass Effect 3 again. I loved it, the Garrusmance was beautiful and I'm not... that... angry at the ending. Joker running and Garrus getting off the Normandy is what made me utterly upset, though. I thought he died when the Reaper fired... meeting him in heaven at that bar was the only good thing I had, and then Bioware pulled that on me... ;_;

Anyway... yeah, does anyone know if the secret ending is better than the current endings? I just... don't think I want to go through the emotions of playing through the game again, having Garrus tell me to live or otherwise the galaxy would be an empty place to him and.... not being able to live for him. I think that was the most horrible thing for me. Oh, Garrus.

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I was a bit disappointed with the Kaidan conversations and all the talk about Horizon, that's not really the talk Shepard was angling for. Oh well, no drama is acceptable and I didn't want to make a huge fuss but I kind of had hoped for something more than that. I at least hoped for the two to have a chat, maybe even a "You're lucky to have her, I had a chance but blew it" sort of exchange but nope.

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AlphaDormante wrote...

outmane wrote...

AlphaDormante wrote...

Speaking of Kaidan, I'm kind of...confused. The game is sort of acting like I never romanced him at all. After I reaffirmed my relationship with Garrus, I went to visit Kaidan, and he asked me if Garrus and I were a thing. I said yes, and he told me he understood why I felt betrayed on Horizon. And then that was pretty much it.

Later on during the "lunch" date thing, there was no UST or anything at all you'd expect - I thought maybe the issue of Garrus would come up again, but the two acted like they'd just been friends the entire time and never slept together. Creepiest of all was when my Shepard told Kaidan he was like a brother to her. Um, WHAT :blink: SHEPARD, NO.

Is this normal? I thought I saw someone say that they DID discuss the problem a bit more during the lunch date, but I didn't get that at all. Just weirdo-creepy Shep.


Well I got an awkward 'theres something we need to talk about' dinner with Kaidan, so heres my guess :

Depending on when you get locked in either relationship, the other one is gonna reverse to the friendship path earlier or later. If you ignore the issue longer or try to play both guys, youll eventually have to choose who you prefer on their 'date' moment. Thats when I believe things get fully locked.


Ah, I see. Out of curiosity, did you lie to Kaidan? The only possible  opportunity I saw for being "locked" out of the Kaidanmance was revealing to him the relationship between Shepard and Garrus, but I'd definitely have liked for it to be addressed more than a few simple "oh okay sorry about horizon" lines and then a complete revert to friendship. Though if I have to lie about Garrus for that to happen...sigh.


I did not have to lie. I went to visit him once then the second time I brought the booze and chose the renegade option (im with Garus instead of sorry).

Bot I have a feeling what makes a diffrence is what you sa on Mars. I was nice with Kaidan at first and asked him to trust me (paragon answer) then when he kept saying im with Cerberus, my Akuze Shep went renegade on him and I was not asked if I still loved him or if or not. so I guess that delayed the whole locking process.

Illl have to toy with it some more. Maybe with my faithful shep. 

EDIT: To make it more clear, so we can compare, the specfic monent im talking about is when Kaidan asks Shep if Cerberus did to her the same thing done to their soldiers when he takes off the soldier's mask. If you tsay youre afraid, he'll as you if youre the same person, the one he loved, and youre prompted to say yes/no. If you go renegade on him, he will actually say he's sorry about angering you and you're not asked to state your intentions just yet. 

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#10643
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When does Garrus say ""And not because all these people need you...I need you"? Can anyone provide a vid?

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Baka-no-Neko wrote...

Just a quick question. I've just completed Sur'kesh...and apart from Jack, no one seems to acknowledge Shep/Garrus's relationship. Is it too early for other squaddies to comment on it? Does it have to be "locked" before they comment?


Spoilers ahead!





Take Garrus with you in the Quarian missions, along with Tali, even if you don't have to take Tali.  She'll comment about the relationship, too.  Something about Dr. Chakwas giving him dextro-chocolate.  Tali tells Shepard to watch herself.  (Wouldn't want the doctor stealing Garrus away with chocolate and Serrice ice brandy, now would we?)

I really think that Kaidan should say something.  Or Joker, since apparently that's where Garrus got his "research" materials (makes me wonder if he doesn't realize that it's pornography, since he seems to take what he sees in the porn vids seriously--perhaps turian vids can be fairly explicit and no one thinks anything of it?).  EDI sort-of references it, but only in the sense that you have a relationship--or, as she puts it, "actual sexual experience."  If you've got the collector's edition, Javik will comment that he knows you and "the turian" are "joined."

And I love that romanced Garrus so often adds in some romantic dialogue no matter what he's saying to Shepard.  He makes it very clear that it's not just about sex, that's just the only way he knows how to frame their relationship because he's terrified of getting things wrong.  But it's sweet how often he shows support or concern for her.

I admit I'm disappointed that if you break it off with him (I reloaded and tested this) he doesn't seem disappointed at all.  Even if you break up with him on the date.  This seems strange considering both your chances to break up with him, he seems to really want to keep going with the relationship (in fact on the date he's asking you to make it exclusive and long-term).  If you break up with him the first time you talk on the Normandy, he just says he has no regrets and that he understands he was a distraction.  Shepard reassures him that he wasn't, but that's the most disappointment you get from him.  He'll even ask her out for drinks later.  If you break up with him on his date, you don't get an offer for drinks or to reassure him that he wasn't ever a distraction.  But he doesn't seem upset in the least.  The man has a will of steel not to be upset after someone he so obviously cares deeply about rejects him out of hand despite not being in a relationship with anyone else at the time.

Oh yeah, and for all the old fans who used to post here who vaguely remember me, I'm back now that I've played ME3.  Although, I'm not happy about the ending.  But few are.

I'm okay with Garrus living even if Shepard dies.  Actually it's selfish not to hope he can move on eventually without her.  But if he's still alive, I'd like some dialogue, some apparent grief over his loss.

I don't know.  The ending just ruined the whole series for me.  That tends to happen when you've put hundreds of hours into something and are told your choices matter, only to find that they don't.  I may replay it, if only because I enjoyed time spent with all the squaddies past.

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MrDizaztar wrote...

Everyone catch Garrus and Tali making out before the mission to Earth?


I did - they were making embarrassed excuses and finally gave up! It was both cute and hilarious. I didn't romance Garrus (almost went through with it in ME2, but I was burned out at the time and never got around to finishing that run), but he had some awesome lines during the game. I missed the bottle on purpose during that one conversation just for him. <3 Garrus (albeit platonically in my case).

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Auresta wrote...

When does Garrus say ""And not because all these people need you...I need you"? Can anyone provide a vid?




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Baka-no-Neko wrote...

Just a quick question. I've just completed Sur'kesh...and apart from Jack, no one seems to acknowledge Shep/Garrus's relationship. Is it too early for other squaddies to comment on it? Does it have to be "locked" before they comment?

During the my Rannoch mission, Garrus mentions getting turian chocolate from Dr. Chloe and Tali tells shepard to either "Be careful" or "Watch out." I can't remember which one, but Tali seems to acknowledge it.

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Karrie788 wrote...

Auresta wrote...

When does Garrus say ""And not because all these people need you...I need you"? Can anyone provide a vid?





Ah thanks for that.  I knew I remembered him saying it, but it's one of the scenes I didn't capture yet on vid.  Sooon... soooon.

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silentstephi wrote...

Ah thanks for that.  I knew I remembered him saying it, but it's one of the scenes I didn't capture yet on vid.  Sooon... soooon.


You're very welcome. She actually uploaded the entire romance on her channel.

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I am about to start my 2nd playthrough and you guys have me excited about romancing garrus! I loved his lines as my best friend in my 1st playthrough. "You know its bad when the krogan name it, they dont think anything is gonna kill it" something along those lines hilarious.