RedundantAccount wrote...
noooo you are definitely not the only one... I thought I was too...whooo boy...I swear Keener dropped an octave just for that word. *fans self*
) But something bugged me. It just seemed like Kaidan had a really selfish kind of love for Shep. It really felt like it was all about what he needed from Shepard. "Prove yourself to me" in the beginning - to the sex scene...he admittedly came to her cabin because he wanted to get some...she's bogged down and not really in the mood - until Shep finally relents with an "all right Kaidan"- not that she didn't enjoy it, mind you, but still. It just felt wrong. His words of comfort: "it's gonna be what it is." The final goodbye? He leads with "We both know this is goodbye"... I was like "wait...what?" His tearful "I can't lose you again" was tough. Felt bad for him. He'd been through the ringer...but it was overall a vastly different from the sentiment from Mr. Vakarian. It's almost like Kaidan is in love with the idea of Shepard, but never really treats her like a human being that just happens to be shouldering an inhumanly tremendous burden...Modifié par RedundantAccount, 13 mars 2012 - 08:40 .
RedundantAccount wrote...
Which ironically is why the Garrusmance was so wonderful. He's very aware of not only her strength which he respects her for, but also her humanity and her limitations.
"I'm beginning to see signs of wear and tear, get some rest."
"We'll get through this, we always do."
"I was there with you."
Shep: "You think we're gonna lose?" (I detected slight panic?) Garrus: "No, I think we're gonna kick those reapers back into whatever black hole they crawled out of..."
He recognizes that she's incredibly strong, but that she's human and always says the right thing to put her at ease which prompts her heartfelt "I don't know what I'd do without you."
To be fair, Garrus has a "selfish" line also in the refugee camp: "Well, don't forget to come up for air, and not just because these people need you...but because I need you." See? LOL That's as close as I can get to selfish...
Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 13 mars 2012 - 08:47 .
RedundantAccount wrote...
Finished my KaidanmancenevercheatedinME2 playthrough (*Spoilers follow*)...for science... and it just really paled in comparison. Not sure where else I could post this without getting blasted LOL.
*snip*
RedundantAccount wrote...
Sigh. I have to think on the things that made me happy about it guys LOL...
Modifié par Karrie788, 13 mars 2012 - 08:53 .
RedundantAccount wrote...
Finished my KaidanmancenevercheatedinME2 playthrough (*Spoilers follow*)...for science... and it just really paled in comparison. Not sure where else I could post this without getting blasted LOL.
Granted, I am extremely biased. (I wants mutant babies!
Which ironically is why the Garrusmance was so wonderful. He's very aware of not only her strength which he respects her for, but also her humanity and her limitations.
"I'm beginning to see signs of wear and tear, get some rest."
"We'll get through this, we always do."
"I was there with you."
Shep: "You think we're gonna lose?" (I detected slight panic?) Garrus: "No, I think we're gonna kick those reapers back into whatever black hole they crawled out of..."
He recognizes that she's incredibly strong, but that she's human and always says the right thing to put her at ease which prompts her heartfelt "I don't know what I'd do without you."
To be fair, Garrus has a "selfish" line also in the refugee camp: "Well, don't forget to come up for air, and not just because these people need you...but because I need you." See? LOL That's as close as I can get to selfish...
It just bugged me that Shepard was showing the same anxiety through the Kaidanmance but he seemed to only add to it, never diffuse. It just seemed kinda...hollow and all about sex... right down to Shep's blatant "female gaze" when Kaidan rejoins the Normandy crew. Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly... Anyone else notice this?
Btw, I think the love scene with Garrus was done perfectly. I get that there was no way to put him in bed with Shep without addressing the shirtless turian issue and to do so would give the implication that they had just "cuddled" - so what they did was better. For some I guess it would have made Garrus too alien and ruined it. *shrugs* But they made sure he immediately moved right back over to her side when she woke up. So, no complaints from me on that. I think when she wakes up, he's sitting with feet up on the table looking at the same datapad she put down when he joined her on the bed in the beginning of the scene (the "disappearing one" lol). To me that showed him helping. Throughout, he's looking out for her, helping her, supporting her, reassuring her, protecting her and just loving her. It just feels like a much healthier relationship to me than Kaidan's.
Sigh. I have to think on the things that made me happy about it guys LOL...
Bluumberry wrote...
RedundantAccount wrote...
Finished my KaidanmancenevercheatedinME2 playthrough (*Spoilers follow*)...for science... and it just really paled in comparison. Not sure where else I could post this without getting blasted LOL.
Granted, I am extremely biased. (I wants mutant babies!
Which ironically is why the Garrusmance was so wonderful. He's very aware of not only her strength which he respects her for, but also her humanity and her limitations.
"I'm beginning to see signs of wear and tear, get some rest."
"We'll get through this, we always do."
"I was there with you."
Shep: "You think we're gonna lose?" (I detected slight panic?) Garrus: "No, I think we're gonna kick those reapers back into whatever black hole they crawled out of..."
He recognizes that she's incredibly strong, but that she's human and always says the right thing to put her at ease which prompts her heartfelt "I don't know what I'd do without you."
To be fair, Garrus has a "selfish" line also in the refugee camp: "Well, don't forget to come up for air, and not just because these people need you...but because I need you." See? LOL That's as close as I can get to selfish...
It just bugged me that Shepard was showing the same anxiety through the Kaidanmance but he seemed to only add to it, never diffuse. It just seemed kinda...hollow and all about sex... right down to Shep's blatant "female gaze" when Kaidan rejoins the Normandy crew. Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly... Anyone else notice this?
Btw, I think the love scene with Garrus was done perfectly. I get that there was no way to put him in bed with Shep without addressing the shirtless turian issue and to do so would give the implication that they had just "cuddled" - so what they did was better. For some I guess it would have made Garrus too alien and ruined it. *shrugs* But they made sure he immediately moved right back over to her side when she woke up. So, no complaints from me on that. I think when she wakes up, he's sitting with feet up on the table looking at the same datapad she put down when he joined her on the bed in the beginning of the scene (the "disappearing one" lol). To me that showed him helping. Throughout, he's looking out for her, helping her, supporting her, reassuring her, protecting her and just loving her. It just feels like a much healthier relationship to me than Kaidan's.
Sigh. I have to think on the things that made me happy about it guys LOL...
You just basically said everything that has ever bothered me about Kaidan and why I can't udnerstand why others want to even romance him.
On the love scene issue, I quote one of my earlier youtube comment responses:
"I see nothing wrong about this scene except Shepard didn't have a
blanket on her. She and Garrus feel like an established couple, so I
don't see anything wrong with Garrus taking care of some of her work
while she actually gets some rest for once. Especially since he is
worried about her constantly. And their talk after she wakes up makes up
for anything that might have been missed anyway. He obviously cares
about her insanely."
The commenter was whining about there not being more cuddling and things. I just don't feel like they need anything to prove. The fact that Garrus appears to be helping her with her work speaks volumes to me.
Karrie788 wrote...
HOLD THE LINE!
BTW, just wanted to say I love hanging out here. Such a positive mood. The ME3 spoilers thread is on fire right now, it's nice to find some closure here.
HelenMac321 wrote...
Hello all, just thought I'd drop in here and say hi
I've been permanently lurking in the background of this lovely thread for a while now, and I can happily say this is the nicest, most positive place on the whole forum, and as I've just finished the game I thought I'd introduce myself and be comforted by some Garrus/femShep lovin'.
Because those endings do not fit into my headcanon. Period.
Modifié par txmn1016, 13 mars 2012 - 10:08 .
HelenMac321 wrote...
Hello all, just thought I'd drop in here and say hi
I've been permanently lurking in the background of this lovely thread for a while now, and I can happily say this is the nicest, most positive place on the whole forum, and as I've just finished the game I thought I'd introduce myself and be comforted by some Garrus/femShep lovin'.
Because those endings do not fit into my headcanon. Period.
HelenMac321 wrote...
Hello all, just thought I'd drop in here and say hi
I've been permanently lurking in the background of this lovely thread for a while now, and I can happily say this is the nicest, most positive place on the whole forum, and as I've just finished the game I thought I'd introduce myself and be comforted by some Garrus/femShep lovin'.
Because those endings do not fit into my headcanon. Period.
Modifié par Karrie788, 13 mars 2012 - 10:17 .
HelenMac321 wrote...
Hello all, just thought I'd drop in here and say hi
I've been permanently lurking in the background of this lovely thread for a while now, and I can happily say this is the nicest, most positive place on the whole forum, and as I've just finished the game I thought I'd introduce myself and be comforted by some Garrus/femShep lovin'.
Because those endings do not fit into my headcanon. Period.
Modifié par Baka-no-Neko, 13 mars 2012 - 10:22 .
Baka-no-Neko wrote...
HelenMac321 wrote...
Hello all, just thought I'd drop in here and say hi
I've been permanently lurking in the background of this lovely thread for a while now, and I can happily say this is the nicest, most positive place on the whole forum, and as I've just finished the game I thought I'd introduce myself and be comforted by some Garrus/femShep lovin'.
Because those endings do not fit into my headcanon. Period.
Hello! Take shelter from the horrid s***storm out there with Garrus's classy fans
Oh, and a quick question to anyone who can answer.
!!!!SPOILERS!!!!
Does shep end up trapped on the citadel or earth in the ending? Need to figure it out for fanfic I'm writing just now.
Modifié par Karrie788, 13 mars 2012 - 10:23 .
Karrie788 wrote...
Baka-no-Neko wrote...
HelenMac321 wrote...
Hello all, just thought I'd drop in here and say hi
I've been permanently lurking in the background of this lovely thread for a while now, and I can happily say this is the nicest, most positive place on the whole forum, and as I've just finished the game I thought I'd introduce myself and be comforted by some Garrus/femShep lovin'.
Because those endings do not fit into my headcanon. Period.
Hello! Take shelter from the horrid s***storm out there with Garrus's classy fans
Oh, and a quick question to anyone who can answer.
!!!!SPOILERS!!!!
Does shep end up trapped on the citadel or earth in the ending? Need to figure it out for fanfic I'm writing just now.
SPOILERS
No I think she's back in London.
Modifié par HelenMac321, 13 mars 2012 - 10:48 .
HelenMac321 wrote...
Well thank you all for the lovely welcome here. It's a most welcome sanctuary from all the crap flying about out there. I prefer the love
Though not to say I'm not angered/frustrated/saddened to my very core by the endings, and how they managed to completely undo any good players managed to do in the game. I mean, after all that, it just ends? No victory tour? No living off the royalty of the vids for the rest of time? No human/Turian mutant babies? I just don't buy it.
Ooo, another theory? Could possibly fill me in pleases?
HelenMac321 wrote...
EDITED TO ASK: Could I possibly ask when the line in the refugee camp takes place? "Well, don't forget to come up for air, and not just because these people need you...but because I need you."
I seemed to have missed it...
Bluumberry wrote...
HelenMac321 wrote...
EDITED TO ASK: Could I possibly ask when the line in the refugee camp takes place? "Well, don't forget to come up for air, and not just because these people need you...but because I need you."
I seemed to have missed it...
On the first Citadel visit after you recruit him.
Bluumberry wrote...
HelenMac321 wrote...
EDITED TO ASK: Could I possibly ask when the line in the refugee camp takes place? "Well, don't forget to come up for air, and not just because these people need you...but because I need you."
I seemed to have missed it...
On the first Citadel visit after you recruit him.
Baka-no-Neko wrote...
Oh the irony and foreshadowing of your siggy Bluumberry
HelenMac321 wrote...
Thanks! Well that's me trying to find a save right at the beginning of
the game...Though it definitely won't hurt to re-watch the first
Garrus/Shep Normandy scene as it was made of cuteness.
Baka-no-Neko wrote...
Bluumberry wrote...
HelenMac321 wrote...
EDITED TO ASK: Could I possibly ask when the line in the refugee camp takes place? "Well, don't forget to come up for air, and not just because these people need you...but because I need you."
I seemed to have missed it...
On the first Citadel visit after you recruit him.
Oh the irony and foreshadowing of your siggy Bluumberry
txmn1016 wrote...
Baka-no-Neko wrote...
Oh the irony and foreshadowing of your siggy Bluumberry
Lol, just noticed that....
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