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So, remember how I talked before about if you dumped Garrus, after I reloaded to see how he'd react?  (No, I didn't play my reloads, I had already made new saves after I'd romanced him.)

Well, I remember saying he didn't have much reaction.  But then I remembered something he said if you dump him during the date.  And that got me to thinking about if you dump him in the first conversation.

And then I got really, truly, incredibly sad because his reaction very much meshes with something he tells Shepard in both ME2 and ME3.

Basically, if you dump him during the reunion, he'll say something about he understands, that he didn't want to be a distraction.  Shepard tells him twice that he was never a distraction, even though he doesn't seem to be upset.  I'm pretty sure his take is that he's managed to get Shepard's mind off her duty, and being a better turian than he claims to be, Garrus thinks Shepard has decided to put duty first.  I'm pretty sure that would have him feeling quietly miserable, especially given what he says if you do continue the romance:  that for the past six months, he's been trying to figure out how this reunion is supposed to go.  Yes, I know he's been watching Joker's sex vids, but I don't think he's got any better source for human relationship information.  Put bluntly, while I'm sure he does enjoy the idea of sexing up Shepard, he's also struggling to find a way to express to her how he feels.

If you wait until the date to dump him, he does make one comment I didn't think too much about (because it sounded a little... mean, actually) until after the farewell speech.  He says something like, "Well, we did make an odd couple."  Shepard then tells him she thinks they were never strange.  And Garrus's response?  "Not until you try to imagine what our kids would look like."  It just seemed a little offhanded and out-of-nowhere, and as I said, maybe even a little cruel to say something like that to Shepard.  But... after the farewell speech, you realize, that's how long, at least, he's been thinking of starting a family with Shepard.  And probably longer.

So what makes this make the ending so much more tragic for Garrus?  Because if you dump him, he's going to pretend he doesn't care because he's already prepared himself for the worse.  He says in both ME2 and ME3 that he always expects the worst, so that when something good happens he's pleasantly surprised.  Hence why he seems taken aback when Shepard admits she loves him.  He feels the same, but it's something he doesn't dare to say, just in case.  But with Shepard, he's daring to hope.  He's imagining a future.  His heart's two steps ahead of him while he's always hesitant and nervous to actually move forward and ask Shepard what she wants.  But in the farewell speech, he's building a future for the two of them with a tropical home and kids.  It's the first thing that's ever gone really truly right for him, and he's daring to hope that everything might work out.

But he knows it won't.  Which is why the order to stay alive, and the talk about turian Heaven.  And why when Shepard tells him he'll never be alone, he repeats the word, "never."  It's not just that grim premonition that she'll never come back to him.  It's also because she's told him, without his asking, exactly what he wanted to know:  would she want to spend her life with him?  The answer is not just her life, but eternity.

And so even if you survive, knowing that Shepard's unlikely to see Garrus ever again, even knowing he's not a real person, it's truly heartbreaking to think about the situation that puts Garrus in.  Because the one thing that finally went right for him has now gone horribly wrong.  And we don't even get to see him mourn.

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http://www.me3finalhours.com/

lol....um....what?

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txmn1016 wrote...

http://www.me3finalhours.com/

lol....um....what?


I... please... don't let them use this as a way to justify the endings.

Please.

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Brass_Buckles wrote...

So, remember how I talked before about if you dumped Garrus, after I reloaded to see how he'd react?  (No, I didn't play my reloads, I had already made new saves after I'd romanced him.)

Well, I remember saying he didn't have much reaction.  But then I remembered something he said if you dump him during the date.  And that got me to thinking about if you dump him in the first conversation.

And then I got really, truly, incredibly sad because his reaction very much meshes with something he tells Shepard in both ME2 and ME3.

Basically, if you dump him during the reunion, he'll say something about he understands, that he didn't want to be a distraction.  Shepard tells him twice that he was never a distraction, even though he doesn't seem to be upset.  I'm pretty sure his take is that he's managed to get Shepard's mind off her duty, and being a better turian than he claims to be, Garrus thinks Shepard has decided to put duty first.  I'm pretty sure that would have him feeling quietly miserable, especially given what he says if you do continue the romance:  that for the past six months, he's been trying to figure out how this reunion is supposed to go.  Yes, I know he's been watching Joker's sex vids, but I don't think he's got any better source for human relationship information.  Put bluntly, while I'm sure he does enjoy the idea of sexing up Shepard, he's also struggling to find a way to express to her how he feels.

If you wait until the date to dump him, he does make one comment I didn't think too much about (because it sounded a little... mean, actually) until after the farewell speech.  He says something like, "Well, we did make an odd couple."  Shepard then tells him she thinks they were never strange.  And Garrus's response?  "Not until you try to imagine what our kids would look like."  It just seemed a little offhanded and out-of-nowhere, and as I said, maybe even a little cruel to say something like that to Shepard.  But... after the farewell speech, you realize, that's how long, at least, he's been thinking of starting a family with Shepard.  And probably longer.

So what makes this make the ending so much more tragic for Garrus?  Because if you dump him, he's going to pretend he doesn't care because he's already prepared himself for the worse.  He says in both ME2 and ME3 that he always expects the worst, so that when something good happens he's pleasantly surprised.  Hence why he seems taken aback when Shepard admits she loves him.  He feels the same, but it's something he doesn't dare to say, just in case.  But with Shepard, he's daring to hope.  He's imagining a future.  His heart's two steps ahead of him while he's always hesitant and nervous to actually move forward and ask Shepard what she wants.  But in the farewell speech, he's building a future for the two of them with a tropical home and kids.  It's the first thing that's ever gone really truly right for him, and he's daring to hope that everything might work out.

But he knows it won't.  Which is why the order to stay alive, and the talk about turian Heaven.  And why when Shepard tells him he'll never be alone, he repeats the word, "never."  It's not just that grim premonition that she'll never come back to him.  It's also because she's told him, without his asking, exactly what he wanted to know:  would she want to spend her life with him?  The answer is not just her life, but eternity.

And so even if you survive, knowing that Shepard's unlikely to see Garrus ever again, even knowing he's not a real person, it's truly heartbreaking to think about the situation that puts Garrus in.  Because the one thing that finally went right for him has now gone horribly wrong.  And we don't even get to see him mourn.


-claps- Couldn't have said it any better myself, just beautifully heartbreaking in every sense of the phrase :wub::crying::wub:

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Brass_Buckles wrote...

So, remember how I talked before about if you dumped Garrus, after I reloaded to see how he'd react?  (No, I didn't play my reloads, I had already made new saves after I'd romanced him.)

Well, I remember saying he didn't have much reaction.  But then I remembered something he said if you dump him during the date.  And that got me to thinking about if you dump him in the first conversation.

And then I got really, truly, incredibly sad because his reaction very much meshes with something he tells Shepard in both ME2 and ME3.

Basically, if you dump him during the reunion, he'll say something about he understands, that he didn't want to be a distraction.  Shepard tells him twice that he was never a distraction, even though he doesn't seem to be upset.  I'm pretty sure his take is that he's managed to get Shepard's mind off her duty, and being a better turian than he claims to be, Garrus thinks Shepard has decided to put duty first.  I'm pretty sure that would have him feeling quietly miserable, especially given what he says if you do continue the romance:  that for the past six months, he's been trying to figure out how this reunion is supposed to go.  Yes, I know he's been watching Joker's sex vids, but I don't think he's got any better source for human relationship information.  Put bluntly, while I'm sure he does enjoy the idea of sexing up Shepard, he's also struggling to find a way to express to her how he feels.

If you wait until the date to dump him, he does make one comment I didn't think too much about (because it sounded a little... mean, actually) until after the farewell speech.  He says something like, "Well, we did make an odd couple."  Shepard then tells him she thinks they were never strange.  And Garrus's response?  "Not until you try to imagine what our kids would look like."  It just seemed a little offhanded and out-of-nowhere, and as I said, maybe even a little cruel to say something like that to Shepard.  But... after the farewell speech, you realize, that's how long, at least, he's been thinking of starting a family with Shepard.  And probably longer.

So what makes this make the ending so much more tragic for Garrus?  Because if you dump him, he's going to pretend he doesn't care because he's already prepared himself for the worse.  He says in both ME2 and ME3 that he always expects the worst, so that when something good happens he's pleasantly surprised.  Hence why he seems taken aback when Shepard admits she loves him.  He feels the same, but it's something he doesn't dare to say, just in case.  But with Shepard, he's daring to hope.  He's imagining a future.  His heart's two steps ahead of him while he's always hesitant and nervous to actually move forward and ask Shepard what she wants.  But in the farewell speech, he's building a future for the two of them with a tropical home and kids.  It's the first thing that's ever gone really truly right for him, and he's daring to hope that everything might work out.

But he knows it won't.  Which is why the order to stay alive, and the talk about turian Heaven.  And why when Shepard tells him he'll never be alone, he repeats the word, "never."  It's not just that grim premonition that she'll never come back to him.  It's also because she's told him, without his asking, exactly what he wanted to know:  would she want to spend her life with him?  The answer is not just her life, but eternity.

And so even if you survive, knowing that Shepard's unlikely to see Garrus ever again, even knowing he's not a real person, it's truly heartbreaking to think about the situation that puts Garrus in.  Because the one thing that finally went right for him has now gone horribly wrong.  And we don't even get to see him mourn.


Dear God I feel even worse now. :crying:

I'LL SAVE YOU SHEP. At any cost.

Somebody hug me. Please.

Modifié par Karrie788, 13 mars 2012 - 11:38 .


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Karrie788 wrote...

Brass_Buckles wrote...

So, remember how I talked before about if you dumped Garrus, after I reloaded to see how he'd react?  (No, I didn't play my reloads, I had already made new saves after I'd romanced him.)

Well, I remember saying he didn't have much reaction.  But then I remembered something he said if you dump him during the date.  And that got me to thinking about if you dump him in the first conversation.

And then I got really, truly, incredibly sad because his reaction very much meshes with something he tells Shepard in both ME2 and ME3.

Basically, if you dump him during the reunion, he'll say something about he understands, that he didn't want to be a distraction.  Shepard tells him twice that he was never a distraction, even though he doesn't seem to be upset.  I'm pretty sure his take is that he's managed to get Shepard's mind off her duty, and being a better turian than he claims to be, Garrus thinks Shepard has decided to put duty first.  I'm pretty sure that would have him feeling quietly miserable, especially given what he says if you do continue the romance:  that for the past six months, he's been trying to figure out how this reunion is supposed to go.  Yes, I know he's been watching Joker's sex vids, but I don't think he's got any better source for human relationship information.  Put bluntly, while I'm sure he does enjoy the idea of sexing up Shepard, he's also struggling to find a way to express to her how he feels.

If you wait until the date to dump him, he does make one comment I didn't think too much about (because it sounded a little... mean, actually) until after the farewell speech.  He says something like, "Well, we did make an odd couple."  Shepard then tells him she thinks they were never strange.  And Garrus's response?  "Not until you try to imagine what our kids would look like."  It just seemed a little offhanded and out-of-nowhere, and as I said, maybe even a little cruel to say something like that to Shepard.  But... after the farewell speech, you realize, that's how long, at least, he's been thinking of starting a family with Shepard.  And probably longer.

So what makes this make the ending so much more tragic for Garrus?  Because if you dump him, he's going to pretend he doesn't care because he's already prepared himself for the worse.  He says in both ME2 and ME3 that he always expects the worst, so that when something good happens he's pleasantly surprised.  Hence why he seems taken aback when Shepard admits she loves him.  He feels the same, but it's something he doesn't dare to say, just in case.  But with Shepard, he's daring to hope.  He's imagining a future.  His heart's two steps ahead of him while he's always hesitant and nervous to actually move forward and ask Shepard what she wants.  But in the farewell speech, he's building a future for the two of them with a tropical home and kids.  It's the first thing that's ever gone really truly right for him, and he's daring to hope that everything might work out.

But he knows it won't.  Which is why the order to stay alive, and the talk about turian Heaven.  And why when Shepard tells him he'll never be alone, he repeats the word, "never."  It's not just that grim premonition that she'll never come back to him.  It's also because she's told him, without his asking, exactly what he wanted to know:  would she want to spend her life with him?  The answer is not just her life, but eternity.

And so even if you survive, knowing that Shepard's unlikely to see Garrus ever again, even knowing he's not a real person, it's truly heartbreaking to think about the situation that puts Garrus in.  Because the one thing that finally went right for him has now gone horribly wrong.  And we don't even get to see him mourn.


Dear God I feel even worse now. :crying:

I'LL SAVE YOU SHEP. At any cost.

Somebody hug me. Please.


-bear hug- Headcanon, Karrie, headcanon and headbumping ;)

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Brass_Buckles wrote...

So, remember how I talked before about if you dumped Garrus, after I reloaded to see how he'd react?  (No, I didn't play my reloads, I had already made new saves after I'd romanced him.)

Well, I remember saying he didn't have much reaction.  But then I remembered something he said if you dump him during the date.  And that got me to thinking about if you dump him in the first conversation.

And then I got really, truly, incredibly sad because his reaction very much meshes with something he tells Shepard in both ME2 and ME3.

Basically, if you dump him during the reunion, he'll say something about he understands, that he didn't want to be a distraction.  Shepard tells him twice that he was never a distraction, even though he doesn't seem to be upset.  I'm pretty sure his take is that he's managed to get Shepard's mind off her duty, and being a better turian than he claims to be, Garrus thinks Shepard has decided to put duty first.  I'm pretty sure that would have him feeling quietly miserable, especially given what he says if you do continue the romance:  that for the past six months, he's been trying to figure out how this reunion is supposed to go.  Yes, I know he's been watching Joker's sex vids, but I don't think he's got any better source for human relationship information.  Put bluntly, while I'm sure he does enjoy the idea of sexing up Shepard, he's also struggling to find a way to express to her how he feels.

If you wait until the date to dump him, he does make one comment I didn't think too much about (because it sounded a little... mean, actually) until after the farewell speech.  He says something like, "Well, we did make an odd couple."  Shepard then tells him she thinks they were never strange.  And Garrus's response?  "Not until you try to imagine what our kids would look like."  It just seemed a little offhanded and out-of-nowhere, and as I said, maybe even a little cruel to say something like that to Shepard.  But... after the farewell speech, you realize, that's how long, at least, he's been thinking of starting a family with Shepard.  And probably longer.

So what makes this make the ending so much more tragic for Garrus?  Because if you dump him, he's going to pretend he doesn't care because he's already prepared himself for the worse.  He says in both ME2 and ME3 that he always expects the worst, so that when something good happens he's pleasantly surprised.  Hence why he seems taken aback when Shepard admits she loves him.  He feels the same, but it's something he doesn't dare to say, just in case.  But with Shepard, he's daring to hope.  He's imagining a future.  His heart's two steps ahead of him while he's always hesitant and nervous to actually move forward and ask Shepard what she wants.  But in the farewell speech, he's building a future for the two of them with a tropical home and kids.  It's the first thing that's ever gone really truly right for him, and he's daring to hope that everything might work out.

But he knows it won't.  Which is why the order to stay alive, and the talk about turian Heaven.  And why when Shepard tells him he'll never be alone, he repeats the word, "never."  It's not just that grim premonition that she'll never come back to him.  It's also because she's told him, without his asking, exactly what he wanted to know:  would she want to spend her life with him?  The answer is not just her life, but eternity.

And so even if you survive, knowing that Shepard's unlikely to see Garrus ever again, even knowing he's not a real person, it's truly heartbreaking to think about the situation that puts Garrus in.  Because the one thing that finally went right for him has now gone horribly wrong.  And we don't even get to see him mourn.


Ow. Right in the feels :(

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Brass_Buckles wrote...

So, remember how I talked before about if you dumped Garrus, after I reloaded to see how he'd react?  (No, I didn't play my reloads, I had already made new saves after I'd romanced him.)

Well, I remember saying he didn't have much reaction.  But then I remembered something he said if you dump him during the date.  And that got me to thinking about if you dump him in the first conversation.

And then I got really, truly, incredibly sad because his reaction very much meshes with something he tells Shepard in both ME2 and ME3.

Basically, if you dump him during the reunion, he'll say something about he understands, that he didn't want to be a distraction.  Shepard tells him twice that he was never a distraction, even though he doesn't seem to be upset.  I'm pretty sure his take is that he's managed to get Shepard's mind off her duty, and being a better turian than he claims to be, Garrus thinks Shepard has decided to put duty first.  I'm pretty sure that would have him feeling quietly miserable, especially given what he says if you do continue the romance:  that for the past six months, he's been trying to figure out how this reunion is supposed to go.  Yes, I know he's been watching Joker's sex vids, but I don't think he's got any better source for human relationship information.  Put bluntly, while I'm sure he does enjoy the idea of sexing up Shepard, he's also struggling to find a way to express to her how he feels.

If you wait until the date to dump him, he does make one comment I didn't think too much about (because it sounded a little... mean, actually) until after the farewell speech.  He says something like, "Well, we did make an odd couple."  Shepard then tells him she thinks they were never strange.  And Garrus's response?  "Not until you try to imagine what our kids would look like."  It just seemed a little offhanded and out-of-nowhere, and as I said, maybe even a little cruel to say something like that to Shepard.  But... after the farewell speech, you realize, that's how long, at least, he's been thinking of starting a family with Shepard.  And probably longer.

So what makes this make the ending so much more tragic for Garrus?  Because if you dump him, he's going to pretend he doesn't care because he's already prepared himself for the worse.  He says in both ME2 and ME3 that he always expects the worst, so that when something good happens he's pleasantly surprised.  Hence why he seems taken aback when Shepard admits she loves him.  He feels the same, but it's something he doesn't dare to say, just in case.  But with Shepard, he's daring to hope.  He's imagining a future.  His heart's two steps ahead of him while he's always hesitant and nervous to actually move forward and ask Shepard what she wants.  But in the farewell speech, he's building a future for the two of them with a tropical home and kids.  It's the first thing that's ever gone really truly right for him, and he's daring to hope that everything might work out.

But he knows it won't.  Which is why the order to stay alive, and the talk about turian Heaven.  And why when Shepard tells him he'll never be alone, he repeats the word, "never."  It's not just that grim premonition that she'll never come back to him.  It's also because she's told him, without his asking, exactly what he wanted to know:  would she want to spend her life with him?  The answer is not just her life, but eternity.

And so even if you survive, knowing that Shepard's unlikely to see Garrus ever again, even knowing he's not a real person, it's truly heartbreaking to think about the situation that puts Garrus in.  Because the one thing that finally went right for him has now gone horribly wrong.  And we don't even get to see him mourn.


I also need hugs. Need to save Shep!

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Dear God I feel even worse now. :crying:

I'LL SAVE YOU SHEP. At any cost.

Somebody hug me. Please.

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:(:crying:*Hugs* There, there... (in my best Garrus voice :wub:... nope not the same lol)

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You guys are awesome. :lol:

Let's do a group hug.

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Yeah. Basically, the ending stunk for so many reasons, not knowing what happens to everyone else. But knowing that you've taken away the one thing that Garrus got right, and knowing that's probably going to make him even more stoic and jaded, and that it's probably killing him inside?

That's hard to take.

I like to think that, because my Shepard survived, someone realizes she's still alive and they get to be together again. But what I like to think and what probably happened are entirely different things.

It's not that I don't like open-ended endings, but in this case, the "open-ended" is so many shades of grim. It's not edgy, it's not cool. It's depressing and I've begun to have a hard time finding the desire to play any serious game again. I mean, maybe Sims 3 or something, but... picking up Mass Effect again is going to be hard. And I loved it before.

What was I even fighting for for so long if Shepard was just going to end up dying under a pile of rubble?

Next playthrough, if I ever play through again, I may not romance anyone and I may be a butthole to everyone.  No one left behind to be hurt that way.

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My headcanon is shaping up to be that wonderfully twisted indoctrination theory crossed with good old stubborn, immortal Shep =D

Hugging! -group hug ensues- :wizard:

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Brass_Buckles wrote...

So, remember how I talked before about if you dumped Garrus, after I reloaded to see how he'd react?  (No, I didn't play my reloads, I had already made new saves after I'd romanced him.)

Well, I remember saying he didn't have much reaction.  But then I remembered something he said if you dump him during the date.  And that got me to thinking about if you dump him in the first conversation.

And then I got really, truly, incredibly sad because his reaction very much meshes with something he tells Shepard in both ME2 and ME3.

Basically, if you dump him during the reunion, he'll say something about he understands, that he didn't want to be a distraction.  Shepard tells him twice that he was never a distraction, even though he doesn't seem to be upset.  I'm pretty sure his take is that he's managed to get Shepard's mind off her duty, and being a better turian than he claims to be, Garrus thinks Shepard has decided to put duty first.  I'm pretty sure that would have him feeling quietly miserable, especially given what he says if you do continue the romance:  that for the past six months, he's been trying to figure out how this reunion is supposed to go.  Yes, I know he's been watching Joker's sex vids, but I don't think he's got any better source for human relationship information.  Put bluntly, while I'm sure he does enjoy the idea of sexing up Shepard, he's also struggling to find a way to express to her how he feels.

If you wait until the date to dump him, he does make one comment I didn't think too much about (because it sounded a little... mean, actually) until after the farewell speech.  He says something like, "Well, we did make an odd couple."  Shepard then tells him she thinks they were never strange.  And Garrus's response?  "Not until you try to imagine what our kids would look like."  It just seemed a little offhanded and out-of-nowhere, and as I said, maybe even a little cruel to say something like that to Shepard.  But... after the farewell speech, you realize, that's how long, at least, he's been thinking of starting a family with Shepard.  And probably longer.

So what makes this make the ending so much more tragic for Garrus?  Because if you dump him, he's going to pretend he doesn't care because he's already prepared himself for the worse.  He says in both ME2 and ME3 that he always expects the worst, so that when something good happens he's pleasantly surprised.  Hence why he seems taken aback when Shepard admits she loves him.  He feels the same, but it's something he doesn't dare to say, just in case.  But with Shepard, he's daring to hope.  He's imagining a future.  His heart's two steps ahead of him while he's always hesitant and nervous to actually move forward and ask Shepard what she wants.  But in the farewell speech, he's building a future for the two of them with a tropical home and kids.  It's the first thing that's ever gone really truly right for him, and he's daring to hope that everything might work out.

But he knows it won't.  Which is why the order to stay alive, and the talk about turian Heaven.  And why when Shepard tells him he'll never be alone, he repeats the word, "never."  It's not just that grim premonition that she'll never come back to him.  It's also because she's told him, without his asking, exactly what he wanted to know:  would she want to spend her life with him?  The answer is not just her life, but eternity.

And so even if you survive, knowing that Shepard's unlikely to see Garrus ever again, even knowing he's not a real person, it's truly heartbreaking to think about the situation that puts Garrus in.  Because the one thing that finally went right for him has now gone horribly wrong.  And we don't even get to see him mourn.


Now you made me cry about Garrus......I cry every friggin time he says something sweet and future looking in the game since....well, we know how that ends.

:(

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*snip*

If you wait until the date to dump him, he does make one comment I didn't think too much about (because it sounded a little... mean, actually) until after the farewell speech.  He says something like, "Well, we did make an odd couple."  Shepard then tells him she thinks they were never strange.  And Garrus's response?  "Not until you try to imagine what our kids would look like."  It just seemed a little offhanded and out-of-nowhere, and as I said, maybe even a little cruel to say something like that to Shepard.  But... after the farewell speech, you realize, that's how long, at least, he's been thinking of starting a family with Shepard.  And probably longer.

So what makes this make the ending so much more tragic for Garrus?  Because if you dump him, he's going to pretend he doesn't care because he's already prepared himself for the worse.  He says in both ME2 and ME3 that he always expects the worst, so that when something good happens he's pleasantly surprised.  Hence why he seems taken aback when Shepard admits she loves him.  He feels the same, but it's something he doesn't dare to say, just in case.  But with Shepard, he's daring to hope.  He's imagining a future.  His heart's two steps ahead of him while he's always hesitant and nervous to actually move forward and ask Shepard what she wants.  But in the farewell speech, he's building a future for the two of them with a tropical home and kids.  It's the first thing that's ever gone really truly right for him, and he's daring to hope that everything might work out.

But he knows it won't.  Which is why the order to stay alive, and the talk about turian Heaven.  And why when Shepard tells him he'll never be alone, he repeats the word, "never."  It's not just that grim premonition that she'll never come back to him.  It's also because she's told him, without his asking, exactly what he wanted to know:  would she want to spend her life with him?  The answer is not just her life, but eternity.

And so even if you survive, knowing that Shepard's unlikely to see Garrus ever again, even knowing he's not a real person, it's truly heartbreaking to think about the situation that puts Garrus in.  Because the one thing that finally went right for him has now gone horribly wrong.  And we don't even get to see him mourn.


:crying: Oh no. I think the Geth just bit it in my next playthrough. Sorry EDI. Time to start multiplayering.

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Baka-no-Neko wrote...

My headcanon is shaping up to be that wonderfully twisted indoctrination theory crossed with good old stubborn, immortal Shep =D

Hugging! -group hug ensues- :wizard:


I've head cannoned the indoctrination ending idea....it's the only way it makes sense to me.

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I didn't even bother with that myself. I'm completely denying the Normandy scene. It didn't happen. There's no logical reason why it should happen.

*keeps hugging people*

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*snip*

:crying: Oh no. I think the Geth just bit it in my next playthrough. Sorry EDI. Time to start multiplayering.


I'm trying another playthrough on Jacey to see if saving the Quarians (if I am able, I should be, I did everything right in ME2) helps get my EMS p high enough to get the Deep Breath ending....

If it does, man I hope that that Jungle Planet is close enough for FTL dirves to get them together B4 they die of old age.

But then....Talli will probably be on that planet to......hmm....

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HUGS AND HEADBUMPS FOR ALL!

One other thing I like about talking to Garrus is I feel like my femshep can be honest with him.

One of my favorite things I ended up unintentionally doing was after Cerberus attacks the Citadel and you talk to Kaiden he asks if Shepard really would have shot him and my fem shep says, "No, I trust you Kaiden" but back on the Normandy when Garrus is like, "Could you have shot him?" I though about it for a minute and then admited "... yeeeeah I could have."

Also in that moment when Kaiden pulls his gun on you (I'm sure they didn't plan it like this) but it looked like Garrus right away was like POW and had his rifle pointed at Kaiden. I slammed my finger down on that paragon interrupt because I actually thought for a second that Garrus was going to shoot first and ask questions later.

I think I have a bias against Kaiden because I played ME2 first and in that game the only interaction you have with him is him being an ass on Horizon.. just irritates me to no end that after following me through hell in the first game he still doesn't trust my judgement.

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Karrie788 wrote...

I didn't even bother with that myself. I'm completely denying the Normandy scene. It didn't happen. There's no logical reason why it should happen.

*keeps hugging people*


I like some of the premise used in the ending [hides]. There was potential there. But the final squad (Garrus & Liara in my case) are with Shep when the beam goes off, not on the blasted Normandy. Indoctrination confrontation happens, so far trying to figure out how Shep's refusal will effect the rest of the ending. Hmm.

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You think you had it bad, none of my Normandy squad could've even interbred. Joker, Garrus, and Javik. All male (not sure if Javik actually has a sex, though), and biology... probably wouldn't cooperate and give them offspring.

I kind of think that the lush planet is Ilos. The two bright moons remind me of it. In that case, it may be that when no one made it to the Citadel to activate the Crucible, the Normandy tried to find a backdoor to get in. The Conduit. Maybe they could find a way to reactivate it and save Earth.

But no matter how you look at the ending, it stinks. If the God Child really happens, it doesn't mesh with the rest of the series. If Shepard is indoctrinated, then you just got screwed because you can't shake off indoctrination. Defying the Reapers would have only bought her time.

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People4Peace wrote...

bunnyteefs wrote...

 Oh my gosh, have you guys seen the messages Garrus leaves Femshep from the offical Datapad application? They are so wonderful I can't even contain my squeals. THEY'RE CANON MESSAGES FROM GARRUS! Just look at the last one <3

Posted Image

Found on sparklexfingers tumblr earlier this morning.



YESSS! This is amazing.....:o:wub:


AAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!

WTH is the DataPad application?

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Baka-no-Neko wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

I didn't even bother with that myself. I'm completely denying the Normandy scene. It didn't happen. There's no logical reason why it should happen.

*keeps hugging people*


I like some of the premise used in the ending [hides]. There was potential there. But the final squad (Garrus & Liara in my case) are with Shep when the beam goes off, not on the blasted Normandy. Indoctrination confrontation happens, so far trying to figure out how Shep's refusal will effect the rest of the ending. Hmm.


ENDING SPOILERS

I agree. There WAS potential. I remember completely panicking after the beam hit me and started looking frenetically for my squadmates, but didn't find them anywhere. Talk about emotional investment. The scene with Anderson was heartbreaking, BTW, have you HEARD the extended conversation they cut from the game?
He tells her she would be a great mom. I was bawling. It was so perfect.

The main issue I have with the ending is that Shepard gives into the wishes of a damn Reaper for no good reason. The ending completely assassinates her character, as well as Joker. Joker would never flee the battle. And I'm pretty sure my crew members wouldn't let him anyway.

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[quote]Jaulen wrote...

[quote]People4Peace wrote...

[quote]bunnyteefs wrote...

 Oh my gosh, have you guys seen the messages Garrus leaves Femshep from the offical Datapad application? They are so wonderful I can't even contain my squeals. THEY'RE CANON MESSAGES FROM GARRUS! Just look at the last one <3

Posted Image

Found on sparklexfingers tumblr earlier this morning.

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Does anyone know if these are all of the datapad app things you get from Garrus? I don't have any compatiable devices.

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God I hope that DataPad app comes out for Droids.....it's just iPhone/iPad right?

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Karrie788 wrote...

Baka-no-Neko wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

I didn't even bother with that myself. I'm completely denying the Normandy scene. It didn't happen. There's no logical reason why it should happen.

*keeps hugging people*


I like some of the premise used in the ending [hides]. There was potential there. But the final squad (Garrus & Liara in my case) are with Shep when the beam goes off, not on the blasted Normandy. Indoctrination confrontation happens, so far trying to figure out how Shep's refusal will effect the rest of the ending. Hmm.


ENDING SPOILERS

I agree. There WAS potential. I remember completely panicking after the beam hit me and started looking frenetically for my squadmates, but didn't find them anywhere. Talk about emotional investment. The scene with Anderson was heartbreaking, BTW, have you HEARD the extended conversation they cut from the game?
He tells her she would be a great mom. I was bawling. It was so perfect.

The main issue I have with the ending is that Shepard gives into the wishes of a damn Reaper for no good reason. The ending completely assassinates her character, as well as Joker. Joker would never flee the battle. And I'm pretty sure my crew members wouldn't let him anyway.


SPOILERS!!!!

W-W-What!? Noooo! Anderson.....:crying::crying::crying: I've seen the ending were he manages to speak to M!Shep before he passes away...and that made me cry like baby. He's like a father to my Shep, her being Earthborn. Is there a mp3 of the extended? Ergh, maybe I shouldn't listen to it...man, now I need tissues :crying:

Likewise, the team owes Shep. Like she said, "No one gets left behind" :wizard: