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ThatDancingTurian

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AnimaTempli101 wrote...

"If Garrus was, for some unknown, bizarre, nearly impossible reason, not follow Shepard in Spectre badassery after The Reaper War, what can you see him doing with his life?"

He could start his own combination, private security firm and investigation service, with a little honorable merc-ing on the side. He could call them The Archangels. B)

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he should totally be a movie star.

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Is anyone else intrigued by the idea that we may be able to enter a committed (like marriage) relationship in ME3?

CaseyDHudson tweeted...

@CaseyDHudson When r u gonna give us a kromance? Beyond time! Hope u'll have gr8 relationship moments, some of my Sheps wanna get wed. :)
twitter.com/#!/Raving_Ranter/status/67422545137238016

@CaseyDHudson Also, please let Joker get with someone already, the man has SSSSOOO earned it! :D
twitter.com/#!/Raving_Ranter/status/67422662753927168

I think we've got you covered on all counts, except maybe the Kromance.
twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/67425501878296577

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Yea Its been teased constantly by BW ppl via Twitter these past few months that ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN at the end of the game in regards to the romances, including marriage. They never comfirmed or denied it.
 
Im fine with marriages to LIs, but only if its done right. Particularly if each character has a way to pull it off. Im pretty sure that [of course like every other thing] that its purely optional and decision based. If marriage IS an option, Im sure it can be brought up or hinted at in a conversation in the late 2nd half of the game possibly. The player can give some sort of interest to the idea and depending on how conversations go in the game with the LI, it could be a possible ending. Though if the player doesnt show an interest of possible marriage, then it might not happen whatsoever.

One thing Id LOVE to see is the whole marriage aspect portrayed differently for both Male and Female Shepard.
Everyone knows its really the "guy" to actually propose. So MaleShep could be the one to propose to his LI, whether it be Liara, Ash, Tali, Miranda etc. i doubt its the same in all cultures where its the male who proposes. It could be different in Drell and Turian culture. But if Thane & Garrus really care for Shep, they'd research human culture[particularly matrimony] and find out Posted Image  Id like to see FemShep being proposed too. That'd be cute as hell. For once let the guy make a move, than FemShep usually forcing her motives onto guys. If she wanted a man in her life - she always had to make the move to show she wanted the him in a relationship beyond that of friendship. If FemShep was the one to have her and Garrus take the next step into a romantic relationship, than let Garrus take them into the next step of the relationship and show he REALLY wants to spend his life with her. Imaging Garrus kneeling before Shepard would just cause me a huge surge of emotions that Id spazz at the screen Posted Image Of course - i dont want this forced. PLEASE bioware, this is a touchy subject so dont take it lightly. 

So again : Im pro-marriage if done with care. Its the whole "babies"  and "settling down" topics im somewhat against for the ending for me3. Settling down years after, sure. But right at the end of me3 - never! XP I see Shepard following in similar footsteps as Anderson.

 

Modifié par ArcanaLegacy, 20 juillet 2011 - 05:01 .


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So, Garrus romancing ladies and gents, I have a question.  Which do you think will be more interesting/which did you choose?: A Garrus/Kaidan conflict in ME3 or just a straight Garrus romance?

(Please submit all answers in #2 Pencil)

I'm torn, myself.  While I'm curious to see how the conflict will play out, I was never all that interested in Kaidan to begin with and when ME1 came out I romanced him just because he was there :mellow:.   That and while I'm sure Bioware will give us a chance to choose who we want to be with, I am a little nervous that it might put a negative spin on the Garrus love.

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I've got one with only Garrus all ready!  & I'll be working on a Garrus/Kaidan conflict later! :P

Currently working on a Mshep for some Kaidan lovin' :blush:
when I first heard Kaidan, I really did think he was gay.. stopped playing as Mshep when I found out he wasn't romanceble with him ^^'

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Lozark wrote...

So, Garrus romancing ladies and gents, I have a question. Which do you think will be more interesting/which did you choose?: A Garrus/Kaidan conflict in ME3 or just a straight Garrus romance?

(Please submit all answers in #2 Pencil)

I'm torn, myself. While I'm curious to see how the conflict will play out, I was never all that interested in Kaidan to begin with and when ME1 came out I romanced him just because he was there Posted Image


Can I submit this answer in #2 keyboard? XD

First of all - I never romanced Kaiden. I just didnt feel anything for him beyond friendship. He seemed like the average self-controlled soldier [i mean this in a good way]. I felt instant sparks with Garrus because he was different. Its that sense of difference that I love, and that fact I felt Garrus really needed Shepard. Sadly no romance option but I still cherished my time with him. Kaiden could handle himself and I felt he didnt really need me in his life THAT way. Id proudly be his friend and support him. [though I virmired him so ....oh well XP] Than in me2 - the fact Garrus became available caused me to light up because it made the relationship much deeper since he wasnt an option in me1, going from friends to close friends to lovers. Ppl might hate me for this - but im somewhat very glad he wasnt an option in me1. It just made everything more meaningful in me2. Im not into the kind of "Oh hey I just meet you and now Im automatically in love with you!" No. Just no. I like to get to know the person for some time and THEN go for it. Garrus has proved he's worth it.

Second - Id prefer as u referred to as a "straight Garrus romance". Why? I want to focus on the growing of intensity of Garrus and Shepard's relationship. I dont want anything to be in the way of that. If I had a love triangle, then the WHOLE game is going to be Garrus and Kaiden fighting for Shepards affections and it wont be solved til nearly the end of the game. This is FACT people. Already confirmed. I dont want to spend a whole game seeing these two "fighting" for Shepards heart. I rather just see ONE love interest and see the relationship grow as the game goes from start to finish, especially since the LI's are going to be deeper and more interactions are going to take place. I love Garrus. I really do. I dont want to see him suffer and be in anymore awkward, insecure, & uncertain situations. Putting him a in love triangle will make him go nuts trying to fight his way to winning this battle against Kaiden, especially over something he's not exactly even good at doing. That being "courtship". We saw his awkwardness once - imagine it again. But maybe this time with probably more focus/determination & less awkwardness[but still some there ;P].

I'll admit I AM interested in seeing how Garrus will actually act if he was in a love triangle. What he'll do & say to Shepard to show he's the one for her. I bet he'll mention the whole "Horizon" scene at some point. Thats for sure. Id love to see Garrus try to get all protective and such - and even try to show off in front of Kaiden or something XP Point is, its a serious situation & both Garrus and Kaiden wont be letting up. As much temptation i might get to see what Garrus will do, I wont do that to him and put him in that kind of situation. I want have a loyal Garrus romance so I can focus on JUST Garrus. Not the fighting b/w him and Kaiden. [Thats what youtube is for right? heh.] & Like Shepard said in LOTSB: "He's been hurt, betrayed. He deserves something better."
I take that to heart.
 

Lozark wrote...
That and while I'm sure Bioware will give us a chance to choose who we want to be with, I am a little nervous that it might put a negative spin on the Garrus love.

This "negative spin" isnt necessary going to be AS negative as you think. Yes, theres going to be tension and stress. And this time is cant simply be pushed aside with a "tiebreaker". It'll put a strain on both relationships but know that Garrus still cares deeply for Shepard. Why else do you think he's fighting for her heart? :)

Modifié par ArcanaLegacy, 20 juillet 2011 - 06:05 .


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 gotta love these :D

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I can't cheat on anyone. I'm not a fan of Kaidan, but hoping for a scene where my Femshep can either a.] watch two men fight over her, or b.] somehow parade her new romance in front of him just... doesn't interest me at all. I'm personally hoping bioware will take a more mature route to love triangles, but even then. I'll just be youtubing it. Extra dialogue with Garrus isn't worth the bad feelings I'd get about leading two people on.

Although I understand there are plenty of people who enjoy some good dramas.

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My first Shepard was with Kaidan because he's attractive and I honestly didn't know Garrus was an option in ME 2. Second and Third Shepards are Garrus only.

After I heard about the consequences for "cheating" (I still don't consider it cheating at all) I'm excited to see what sort of conflict they will have. I don't think it will be the juvenile pissing contest. At least I hope it won't. I trust BioWare to not write our previously mature characters like an 80s high school movie relationship triangle. I'm just hoping that it gives Garrus an opportunity to show us how much he loves Shepard. I do want some drama, but not high school drama.

That said, I'm excited for my straight Garrus plays as well.

And my Gay manShep, whenever I get around to actually finishing a play with manShep.

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@ArcanaLegacy I have also heard a lot of rumours about the whole wedding thing. A lot of rumbling from the talimancers about tali taking her mask off for their 'wedding' on the quarian homeworld. Barf.

But, I have to agree with you, done right, it could be a beautiful moment. Shep's wedding should have lots of explosions I think. And maybe a few reaper guests. Oh, and a hanar bartender. "This one offers libations for all."


@Lozark Playing ME1, I was a dialogue ****, so I ended up having Liara and Kaidan confront me and demand I choose one of them to be with. I suggested the threesome, but Kaidan didn't like that (what man turns down a threesome with two women? -I know, Liara's not a woman, blah blah blah...) Honestly, I didn't really like either of them.

Am I looking forward to conflict? Damn right I am, but only because I want Garrus to tell Kaidan to shove it, and only because I want to yell at both of them for thinking they have the right to fight over me. I don't think it will be a long drawn out thing - once Kaidan realizes he's number two (literally), then I'm sure he will shut up and fight, just like in the first game. Though it would be more interesting if "cheating" had bigger consequences then that, I'm not holding my breath.

Maybe one man isn't enough for my Shep. lol. jokes. (although, if Kaidan wasn't into a threesome with two ladies, I doubt he'd be interested in a threesome with two guys... well wait, maybe he would be interested... I don't know if I want to see that... forget I said anything.)

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Im very interested to see how any of the LIs confrontations will go.

Im not really on the "no previous relationship means I love him more" train. i prefer to have my Shepard evolve between the 2 first games. I like that she realizes what she needs from a life partner. Its her own character development. To me it makes more sense with Garrus being only romancable in ME2.

Garrus/Kaidan and Ashley/Miranda could be the 2 most difficult triangle to handle. I wouldnt want to see things devolve into pettiness. Ashley and Miranda could too easily become a catfight about cerberus and Garrus and Kaidan some superficial stuff about "im the one who really loves her". The way they handled it in LotSB with Liara saying a single sentance about the other LI was ok for a short dlc but it dont want each LI to simply complain to Shep about the other one in ME3.

About weddings, i dont mind if they talk about it but im not interested in a wedding scene. Its the kind of thing that is so specific to each player, it should be faded to black like the romance scene. I prefer to imagine it. But i would very much like to know more about Turian and life commitment. A little more info on their culture could make it much more easy to imagine anything.

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I have one save that is a Garrus only romance, but that was because I only had ME2, so I had no previous save, but I don't know if I can ever play ME3 with that save only because it has the default choices, which are the WORST.

Liara's comment in LotSB was hilarious. Garrus sure is calibrating more than just the Normandy's guns. WA-ZING!

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I don't think it's so much that 'no previous relationship means I love him more', as I don't want him to think it's a rebound. Shepard and Garrus have enough complications stacked against them, I just prefer to go into it without an ME1 romance because I don't want to put another issue onto the pile.

That said, I do have another PT where I did the love triangle. I can't pass up extra Garrus dialogue.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 20 juillet 2011 - 04:13 .


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Choosing him over a human partner can also mean something (depending on your Shepard of course). Because of the fact that the cultural and physical diffrences might hinder the relation at some points. I put the 'dating Kaidan before' as one of the thing Garrus hinted at when he tells Shep to choose "something closer to home". To me its always the moment when they talk about that previous relationship. Its all in my head of course.

The potential rebound situation makes it interesting tho. Its the only way i could see a hypothetical Shep go with Garrus in ME2. He kinda makes it clear he doesnt want to just blow off steam so Shep has to be very mixed up if she doenst understand how important their relation is for Garrus. It all sounds terrible to think about for too long.

femShep and Garrus romance always has that sense of <broken goods> to me. Him with Omega and Shep with Horizon but they still manage to be there at the right time for each other. She helps him realize hes a good leader (LM and second team leader on the SM) and he makes her realize she can still find love even if she has to be everyones goddam hero.

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I do get that 'broken' thing from them, but my Shepard is Colonist/SS, so she's got her own problems already with getting close to people. She has that whole 'can I just be a woman with you and not a hero?' thing going on too, it doesn't have to be about a previous relationship from ME1 for it to work.

The two of them just work well as a couple, IMO. <3 It doesn't really matter whether or not she romanced someone before. It's all personal opinion as to which is 'better' for them.

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of course its all personal opinions. i just find it interesting to discuss.

as you said what really matters is that Shep and Garrus make a good couple. With any background and any morality path. It might even be the romance with the most versatility for all kind of Sheps.

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I agree about the versatility of their relationship. I find it cool that with most of the backgrounds you can find some way Shepard relates to Garrus.

Earthborn Shepard was born on humanity's homeworld, just like Garrus was born on the turian homeworld. Earthborn Shepard also probably saw a lot of the same crap growing up that Garrus saw while he was a part of C-Sec, what with gangs and drugs and the like.
Spacer Shepard has been tied closely to the military all of her life and her parents were both in the military, so she can probably relate easier to the turians' militaristic culture.
Sole Survivor Shepard understands Garrus' survivor's guilt regarding Omega.
War Hero Shepard single-handedly held the Batarians at bay until reinforcements arrived, Garrus held off three merc groups at once, all on his own until Shepard arrived; they both showed intense resilience.

And Garrus is pretty much a paragade (sure, he leans slightly further renegade, but I still think he's straddling the line), so I think he works well regardless of which alignment you play.

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All I know is, Loved's ME3 leg is going to be painful for Meghan.

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@ Aris

thats pretty much the same links I see with the backgrounds and moralities. Garrus is the only character i could play any Shep and still romance him. The others i have to go with a specificly designed Shep or it doesnt work as good.

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All this nes is coming out for most charcters like Ashely/Kadan, and James Vega and there threads go zooming up...

Wish more Garrus News would pop up so there will be more to discuss about the best in my opinion Garrus Vakarian...

Just need more news about him really desperate about what they are doing with him...

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Turian-Garrus92 wrote...

All this nes is coming out for most charcters like Ashely/Kadan, and James Vega and there threads go zooming up...

Wish more Garrus News would pop up so there will be more to discuss about the best in my opinion Garrus Vakarian...

Just need more news about him really desperate about what they are doing with him...

May not be much but hows this;  http://yfrog.com/kesd5wpj :wizard:

Modifié par Good Chaos7, 20 juillet 2011 - 10:03 .


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I support more complicated calibrations for Garrus.

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hell is this ?!

update on  garrus gake     Posted Image
omg she ate him !:o:o:o

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I laughed when I saw this.