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[Karrie788]

Exile Isan wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...
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... there you go. Sorry about the wall of text.

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Anyway, there's my own "wall of text".

I like it. Lexane was paragade too, btw. It's always interesting to see the differences we experience with the same romance, as RPG players.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Exile Isan wrote...

I was curious though as to how my fellow Shekarians roleplay your Shep falling in love with Garrus? Does she love him from the get go? Is it something she notices over time? Or does it hit her one day like a mass accelorator round?

I'm gonna love answering this too.

Kaliya Shepard is Paragade, but she's not a particularly nice person in ME1.  If you took Saren and removed the brutality and xenophobia, that would be her.  Pragmatic, utilitarian, reasonably diplomatic but cold as ice and emotionally distant.  She slowly started warming up to her ME1 crew, including Garrus.  By the end of ME1, he was one of the few people she considered a friend.

In ME2, she found herself working for an organization she loathed without any particular support network.  Garrus really became her emotional lifeline when she picked him up again on Omega.  I outlined the romance arc in some fanfiction, but basically she realizes all of a sudden during ME2 that she has these deep-set feelings for him and just sort of blurts it out.  For his part, Garrus has loved her since ME1.  He goes pretty slow on the romance since she's still kinda skittish about feelings, but they become very close by the end of ME2.

Between ME2 and 3, during her isolation, Kaliya really starts to realize how much Garrus means to her.  They're joined at the hip in ME3; they sleep together, fight together, laugh and cry together.  They're close to the point of emotional co-dependence, really.  Garrus is her sun and stars, and she means the world to him.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 19 mars 2012 - 02:50 .

[Karrie788]

Funny, every time I've asked, Garrusmancers seem to be paragade. I wonder why?

[Hadeedak]

I'll go for mine in that case.

My Esperanza Shepard is a Earthborn, Sole Survivor, Paragade. She tends to see herself in terms of her job description. When she was Alliance military, she was military to the bone. She spent most of her Mass Effect days being the best damn Spectre she possibly could. Garrus reminded her of the cop who got her off the street once she got to know him. In 1, they actually had a give and take, rather friendly (mostly neutral options in the dialogue). Esperanza liked Garrus and Tali a hell of a lot more than anyone else on the ship simply because they weren't there for a check or to hide behind Normandy's guns, but on their own initiative.

That being said, my little vanguard is not a friendly person. She kept everyone at arm's length in 1, except when she was punching them in the nose. By the end, she was starting to feel a bit closer to people, past her hard, crunchy exterior and her cranky, snappy interior.

And then she died.

And was thrown to Cerberus -- something she NEVER forgave Liara for. There was also the minor heartbreak of Tali telling her duty had to come first, something Esperanza has always lived by. Of course, the good Council girl went STRAIGHT back to the Council as soon as she could move again. And the Council told her to go finish looking into things and wrap it up. My Shepard read that as indicating wariness. TO OMEGA. Doctor Solus and Archangel later, she realizes it's her old partner in heroism. (In my headcanon, he recognizes Esperanza the second he sees her plow into a merc, fists flying, with that good old vanguard yell).

This time around, Esperanza lets herself get close to people. She doesn't think she has a choice. She expects to die on the suicide mission, and it's her way of not dealing with A) she's with Cerberus, no matter her reasons, no matter how the council feels and the fact that she was dead. She finds herself getting close to Garrus, Thane, Kasumi, Samara, Tali and Mordin. She likes Jack, but Jack's as crabby and forthcoming as my Shepard when asked personal questions. She finds herself liking Garrus. It'd never occur to her to be attracted to him, at first, and that seems mutual.

When she's high off her butt on painkillers and the reach and flexibility dialogue pops up, she asks to spar first. When shot down for that (going hand to hand with my Shepard is a bad, bad idea anyway), she propositions him. And he takes her seriously. OH BALLS. A few very uncomfortable days later, Tali and Kasumi convince her to go for it. She finally relents and does. She's still not completely attracted to him, or doing the reading to figure out how this will work herself. But he's her best friend at this point, and she's tired of not letting anyone under her skin.

Headbumps, but not much else, ensue. Collector base, suicide mission, return. Boom, Arrival happens. When Esperanza comes back from that, she's changed. Cold. Distant. Back to square one with an extra helping of ****. Garrus gets her to talk eventually. Very slowly. There's probably some tears. And she tells him she's got to go back and face the music, that she doesn't know what'll happen. The dutybound Spectre falls to pieces over the choice she had to make, and the ones she didn't even get to TRY to save. That's when they really set up as a couple in my head.

In my head, neither of them are particularly physically attracted to each other, but they're a couple in spite of that. In 3, they're used to it enough by the date that they start to be attracted to each other. They're also best friends and feel very comfortable together.

And then Shepard dies again.

Go Shepard.

[General Tiberius]

 Saw some people discussing the ending choices on the previous page and thought I'd chip in with my take on the "Destroy" option and it's effects on Shepard, taken from a post by me on one of the endings threads.

The destroy option doesn't necessarily lead to your death. It leads to the death of synthetic life. The Catalyst then says that you are partly synthetic but that is not the same as saying you will die. He leads you to believe that your death is inevitable without actually saying it himself.

For that reason I believe that he is still shackled by his programming. He is not able to outright lie to you and so must instead tell you the truth but leave out information with the intention of leading you to a false assumption, that ending synthetic life will also kill you.

Shepard's synthetic parts are not, as far as I'm aware, affecting any of her biological systems. In many parts of the game she is told that her brain works completely organically, so the rest of her body is likely still working organically too. The synthetic parts were introduced as a means of repairing the damage to her body, not to alter its operation. So activating the destroy option would have no more effect on Shepard than on someone with a prosthetic leg.

This logic works really well with the Indoctrination theory as it suggests that the Catalyst is withholding information to lead you into thinking that your death is unavoidable. If you remove that difference then the Synthesis and Control options become more appealing. If you're going to die no matter what you pick then you might as well save the Geth whilst you're at it. So the AI is trying to guide you onto paths which it wants.

Of course it also works well without the Indoctrination theory. As EDI said, the Reapers are guided by massively strong programming of Self Preservation. The Catalysts attempts to guide you into making a choice which does not destroy the Citadel could be a strong sign of its self preservation programming coming into effect.

Modifié par General Tiberius, 19 mars 2012 - 03:10 .

[Exile Isan]

Karrie788 wrote...
I like it. Lexane was paragade too, btw. It's always interesting to see the differences we experience with the same romance, as RPG players.

Thanks. There is more to Sara's story but it doesn't really have anything to do with Garrus so I left it out.

And it is interesting to see how we roleplay the same romance differently.

[mellifera]

Karrie788 wrote...

Funny, every time I've asked, Garrusmancers seem to be paragade. I wonder why?

I tend to go paragade because I just like playing that sort of character the best (I don't really care for being full paragon or full renegade, feels too one dimensional). I don't really know if it's related to being a fan of Garrus/a Garrus romancer, though.

[Exile Isan]

Karrie788 wrote...

Funny, every time I've asked, Garrusmancers seem to be paragade. I wonder why?

Cuz, Garrus is! Right? Am I right?

No actually I think it's because being a renegade in ME2 (and sometimes in ME1) in some instances is so much fun. Like the batarian at the recruiting station, Sara always pulls her gun on him when he makes that crack about strippers, but then like 3 minutes later she stops that kid from making the biggest mistake of his life by joining the freelancers. Paragade is just so much more fun.

[RilantheFirebug]

Adrian is also paragade and I'll answer that one -- because the world isn't black and white with only good choices or bad choices. As Garrus says...lots of gray. I also extend the timeline of the events of ME2 for my headcanon and so Adrian has had a lot of time with just Garrus on the SR2 and by the time Horizon rolls around...yeah, she's pissed but not so heartbroken. In my headcanon Kaidan and Adrian were drifting apart well before the destruction of the SR1.

[RilantheFirebug]

Also -- this is my ending for ME3.
via http://solheimr.tumb...tscene-for-mass

[Karrie788]

Exile Isan wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

Funny, every time I've asked, Garrusmancers seem to be paragade. I wonder why?

Cuz, Garrus is! Right? Am I right?

No actually I think it's because being a renegade in ME2 (and sometimes in ME1) in some instances is so much fun. Like the batarian at the recruiting station, Sara always pulls her gun on him when he makes that crack about strippers, but then like 3 minutes later she stops that kid from making the biggest mistake of his life by joining the freelancers. Paragade is just so much more fun.

He's been described as the "compassionate renegade", so yeah, that screamed paragade for me.

Hell yeah. Playing a b*tch with a heart of gold is definitely more interesting than playing a goody-two-shoes.
(although Lexane pretty much becomes an angel in ME3)

RilantheFirebug wrote...

Also -- this is my ending for ME3.
via http://solheimr.tumb...tscene-for-mass

*snip*

It's... it's mine as well.

Modifié par Karrie788, 19 mars 2012 - 03:11 .

[Jackiedeex7]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Exile Isan wrote...

I was curious though as to how my fellow Shekarians roleplay your Shep falling in love with Garrus? Does she love him from the get go? Is it something she notices over time? Or does it hit her one day like a mass accelorator round?

I'm gonna love answering this too.

*Snip*

 Garrus is her sun and stars, and she means the world to him.

Another Song of Ice and Fire fan! 

I always thought that "Sun and stars" and "Moon of my life" were such lovely terms of endearment

Agh I wish I could draw a Dothraki-esk Shep and Garrus just for the lols

It's very cool to read the backgrounds everyone has for their lady sheps...And now I'm inspired to write my own little wall of text... which I will get back to the rest of you with later 

[Deviant Ingredient]

My Zoë Shepard is paragade too. I actually imagine her to being more like Jack in her youth. She's Earthborn so she had a rough life, by chance she met Anderson and he inspired her to join the Alliance, plus she was running away from some of her problems. She had a hard time at first since she had trust issues. It wasn't till Akuze where she switched more to paragon. I have it where she only survived because of one of her comrades so she felt guilt and wanted to make up for his sacrifice.

She was wary of Garrus at the very beginning, more residue though of him being cop and her ex-gang but warmed up to him pretty fast. She has no problem with Aliens since humans weren't exactly the bees knees in her book. She didn't fall in love with him until ME2 though, he was actually her equal now instead of student. She read that Turians weren't subtle so she that's why she was blunt in her interest.

ME3 she and he were now completely on the same wave length. She probably has an unhealthy attachment to him actually. I don't think we would be able to handle his death to be honest. That's my Shep.

Paragade is fun.

[Timerider42]

RilantheFirebug wrote...

Heh heh heh.... (insert Grunt laugh)
*Frodo pic*

The analogy I thought of was Star Wars ending with the destruction of the force.

[Hadeedak]

I paragaded because vanguard. That's also why I went for Garrus and not Kaidan on the vanguard run -- she quickly became my favorite. My first was a pure paragon soldier who liked Kaidan. And then there was a sentinel for Thane... But damn, does the vanguard levels of punching work well with a paragade, and add that to Garrus's sniping stuff off a vanguard and vanguard protecting team, and it just gelled perfectly for me.

...I really should start writing and reading fanfic.

[mireisen]

Veronika's a Paragon Spacer Survivor; I was glad that she had parents (or at least a mom). because every hero seems to have missing parents. Something normal I suppose.

In terms of Garrusmancing, I don't think she had a thing for him in ME1. She had no attraction to Kaidan; his hangups about his past and uselessness in battle (to my playstyle) pretty much checked him off, and Liara was too much in awe of Shepard to consider. She didn't want someone who'd put her on a pedestal because she's Commander Shepard.

I think she started developing feelings for Garrus during his loyalty mission in ME2. The Paragon choices during that mission shed light to how much their relationship could grow into more. She took him out to every mission so I'd guess that the attraction came naturally. The fact that he had no inhibitions to joining her cause (Tali was also recruited but she declined the first try). She needed someone she could trust, and that grew over time. His dependability and loyalty was attractive to her. So eventually she decided to at least give it a try. She wasn't infatuated with him and didn't think/expect past being just friends with benefits.

To her surprise he put in a lot of effort figuring it all out. Taking the lead. He was a gentleman and I think after their first night she was hooked; because it was clear coming from him that he wanted more than to just that. He was trying to romance her. He was nervous because he actually cared too, and I would suppose between ME2 and ME3 they corresponded. Least that's how it plays in my head.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Jackiedeex7 wrote...

Another Song of Ice and Fire fan! 

I always thought that "Sun and stars" and "Moon of my life" were such lovely terms of endearment

It'd be more accurate to say I'm a lapsed fan.  I've never taken ASOIAF as seriously as most of the fandom does, but I do enjoy the TV show and the books   And yeah, I love those terms of endearment.  I could see my Shep calling Garrus her sun and stars, and then kicking herself for getting so sappy.

On alignment:  I've always thought of Garrus as more of a Renegon than Paragade, though I suppose it depends on Shep's influence in ME1 and ME2.  He certainly plays fast and loose with the rules way more than my Paragade does, though by ME3, the usual rules are pretty much out the window.

[silentstephi]

So I mentioned a few days ago I was makin' a video...
It's done!
No Light, No Light - Shepard and Vakarian

Lemme know what you guys think.

[Ilysail]

Thanks for that vid, couldn't wipe the smile off my face if i tried!
Put me in a great mood right before i went to bed =)

Great song too, ill have to DL that from itunes for the commute tommorow

[Sable Rhapsody]

silentstephi wrote...

So I mentioned a few days ago I was makin' a video...
It's done!
No Light, No Light - Shepard and Vakarian

Lemme know what you guys think.

I just discovered Florence + The Machine and love them to bits.  This is great.

[Deviant Ingredient]

You guys are right, vanguard is fun. Still carry my sniper rifle though. The biotic combinations are fun though I'm still trying to figure out the weight thing. I can already see Garrus shaking her head as she charges like an angry bull.

[Exile Isan]

That's too funny "No Light No Light" is on my Shepard playlist with about 30 other songs. Yep I actually have a Shepard playlist.

[Karrie788]

Exile Isan wrote...

That's too funny "No Light No Light" is on my Shepard playlist with about 30 other songs. Yep I actually have a Shepard playlist.

Does it include Don't Fear the Reaper?

And awesome video, silentstephi. I like your Shep's face.

What's funny is that... it doesn't feel quite right when it's not *your* Shep.

[Deviant Ingredient]

@Karrie788: I know what you mean about personal Shep's. I have a hard time even changing hair/eye/skin color even if I keep the same facial structure. Sad I know.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Deviant Ingredient wrote...

@Karrie788: I know what you mean about personal Shep's. I have a hard time even changing hair/eye/skin color even if I keep the same facial structure. Sad I know.

I've adjusted my Shep's appearance slightly with each game; as the graphics get better, I have an easier time fine-tuning her looks.  But it IS weird seeing someone else's Shep on YouTube.  Funny thing is, I never had the same feeling about Hawke or the Warden in DA.

EDIT: For TOP.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 19 mars 2012 - 05:49 .