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LilyasAvalon wrote...

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I'm just repeating what I've heard to be honest, I remember reaching 7000 TMS in my first run.

I got support of the quarians, geth, krogan, turians, salarians, asari, volus, elcor, hanar, ranchi, drell and batarians, I'll have to check what kind of EMS that gave me, because I did play a bit of MP before I finished the game.


Did you get actual Salarian support or just the random bits that we pick up here and there?


I saved the salarians counsellor in ME1 and ME3


Yes but you can't get the salarians full support if you cure the genophage.
Salarians had the least to offer when it came to war assets. I only got Kirrahe and the Salarian Third Fleet.
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Just popped over to another thread....looks like they data mined the files, and on Single Player with NO Multi-player or Apple apps, there are NOT enough war assets in the game to be able to allow a Single Player (even on NG+) to get the Deep Breath ending.

People who only did SP with no apps (so still only 50% Galactic Readiness) and were able to get over 4k EMS seem to have a glitched game or a hacked .bin file, Geth/Quarian and other assets are listed as worth twice what they are in game.....(one screenshot showed Geth assets at over 1400 points)

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EMS is roughly 7063 for me, TMS is only about a 100 more.

It was that high when my MP was still at 60% though and I had not uploaded data from the infiltrator app so.... Yeah.

Dunno if that's a bug or what.

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Ugh that's annoying. Multiplayer over Xbox live from Lagstralia is always seriously trying, and I've always been wary of iOS app tie-ins for Mass Effect. From what I've read I get the impression that they're a bit hohum. But I do want my Shep to have her own Deep Breath ending eventually.

So. Multiplayer huh? Guess that's a rocket to the face I'm just going to have to eat.

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MP is actually pretty well implicated in my opinion. My boyfriend and I have enjoyed playing it together greatly. Good was for working off stress too, or anger about the endings.

Turian soldier plus human engineer, implications... Pleasant. 

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LilyasAvalon wrote...

MP is actually pretty well implicated in my opinion. My boyfriend and I have enjoyed playing it together greatly. Good was for working off stress too, or anger about the endings.

Turian soldier plus human engineer, implications... Pleasant. 


I agree.  I know everyone bags on the multiplayer, but seriously, it's worth a try.  It only takes a few multiplayer matches to get Galactic Readiness high enough for 4000+ war assets, and each match is less than 20 minutes.  And if you're bad at it at first (like me) most folks will be kind enough to show you the ropes.

Though I seriously had a heart attack my first MP match.  I hadn't encountered Banshees in the SP yet and one of them charged right into me :blink:

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Sable Rhapsody wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

MP is actually pretty well implicated in my opinion. My boyfriend and I have enjoyed playing it together greatly. Good was for working off stress too, or anger about the endings.

Turian soldier plus human engineer, implications... Pleasant. 


I agree.  I know everyone bags on the multiplayer, but seriously, it's worth a try.  It only takes a few multiplayer matches to get Galactic Readiness high enough for 4000+ war assets, and each match is less than 20 minutes.  And if you're bad at it at first (like me) most folks will be kind enough to show you the ropes.

Though I seriously had a heart attack my first MP match.  I hadn't encountered Banshees in the SP yet and one of them charged right into me :blink:


I would gladly play MP if I only had 1. Xbox Gold 2. constant internet connection to my xbox and 3. people to play with.:(
But alas, I got nothing. I so happily lived in a thought that I could get the "best" ending without MP like Bioware had said that it wasn't needed.

DLC is my only hope now.

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It's mostly the lag that comes with MP that puts me off. I have horrible memories of Halo multiplayer - moving the thumbsticks around and waiting a full second or two before my character responded onscreen.

Though if you've been playing MP Lily, and you haven't commented on it, I take it the lag isn't so bad?

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I have to admit... I really, really, really enjoyed being kind of nasty to Kaidan, and yelling at him for his whole "so, I'll bet you know why Cerberus are here, don't you Shepard?" implications. I was just so angry at him over that whole Horizon thing.

I really wanted to see or hear some kind of conflict or conversation between Kaidan and Garrus. But Garrus was all "it's good to have Kaidan back on board." WHAT?!

Did I miss anything? Is there any option I didn't take which leads to some kind of confrontation between those two??

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Jeitiiea wrote...

I have to admit... I really, really, really enjoyed being kind of nasty to Kaidan, and yelling at him for his whole "so, I'll bet you know why Cerberus are here, don't you Shepard?" implications. I was just so angry at him over that whole Horizon thing.

I really wanted to see or hear some kind of conflict or conversation between Kaidan and Garrus. But Garrus was all "it's good to have Kaidan back on board." WHAT?!

Did I miss anything? Is there any option I didn't take which leads to some kind of confrontation between those two??


Nope, no confrontation.

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I had to play multiplayer to get the breathing ending, it's ok but I get bored with it pretty quickly. I play ME for the story not pure combat. What mostly bothers me is as a ps3 player no matter my choices, I never get Kirrahe on Conrad to show in 2 or 3. Which is weird since the demo has Kirrahe show up. Actually does anyone know if ps3 people lose potential war assets simply for not having 1?

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I would assume that *is* the case. I lack some of the ME2 DLC and hence some characters never show and I miss those assets. Obviously I could get them, but effectively it is the same.

I think Garrus may be the sole reason I replay ME3 :-(

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Deviant Ingredient wrote...

I had to play multiplayer to get the breathing ending, it's ok but I get bored with it pretty quickly. I play ME for the story not pure combat. What mostly bothers me is as a ps3 player no matter my choices, I never get Kirrahe on Conrad to show in 2 or 3. Which is weird since the demo has Kirrahe show up. Actually does anyone know if ps3 people lose potential war assets simply for not having 1?


You only lose Kirrahe and Conrad.
Some of the assets are canon based as for example, I hadn't played "Bring Down the Sky" DLC for ME1 but Balak alive who I could then have as an war asset. 

This site is really helpful, checked several times from there to get as many assets as I could. http://masseffect.wi...wiki/War_Assets 

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So guys, how do you imagine a Turian blushes? After our Presidium date (I missed because I care haha - it was worth it) I've wondered about it from time to time.

I'd love to think it involves a sort of "fluffing up" of the fringe somehow (more like a slight movement as the face/head muscles tense, rather than, say, a cockatoo raising its crest). Probably some mandible action in there (maybe like when Nihlus encountered Saren on Eden Prime). Not sure about turning red (wouldn't it be blue really?) because I imagine their skin is thicker than ours. Oh. And some sort of nose twitch. I love watching Turian noses move when they talk haha.


Edited to add:
PRESENTING:
Mass Effect 3 - The Animal House Ending Extended Cut

I posted
this in the spoiler campaign/story section but it was immediately
swallowed up, so i figured I'd post it somewhere quieter. You seem like good chaps and chapesses. I think it's time we got some real laughs out of this
whole ending debacle.

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Mresa wrote...

Billabong2011 wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Datamining has apparently shown that it is in fact, impossible at this current point in time to get an EMS of at least 5000 (The requirement for Shepard to live). There's simply just not enough war assets. =/

Really? I've reached it pretty easily on both my playthroughs (I'm about to finish my second one - why I'm torturing myself by playing this game again I've no idea... - and I'm up to 6000). I've got the day one DLC though, and I've datamined a ton, but by brokering peace between all the races, it's rather simple. I think. :unsure:
EDIT: By the way, hi again everyone! It's been awhile - I'm just about to go to bed but I hope to be on again tomorrow =] It's been much too long!


I think you're confusing the EMS with Total military strenght. That's a completely different thing.


Nope, that's my EMS.

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Niostang wrote...

So guys, how do you imagine a Turian blushes? After our Presidium date (I missed because I care haha - it was worth it) I've wondered about it from time to time.

I'd love to think it involves a sort of "fluffing up" of the fringe somehow (more like a slight movement as the face/head muscles tense, rather than, say, a cockatoo raising its crest). Probably some mandible action in there (maybe like when Nihlus encountered Saren on Eden Prime). Not sure about turning red (wouldn't it be blue really?) because I imagine their skin is thicker than ours. Oh. And some sort of nose twitch. I love watching Turian noses move when they talk haha.


Edited to add:
PRESENTING:
Mass Effect 3 - The Animal House Ending Extended Cut

I posted
this in the spoiler campaign/story section but it was immediately
swallowed up, so i figured I'd post it somewhere quieter. You seem like good chaps and chapesses. I think it's time we got some real laughs out of this
whole ending debacle.



Hahahaha, I love the imagery! I've no idea what the equivalent is, but your post has made me so curious, I've got to ask......
If Turian blood is blue when it hits the air, and human is red, though blue while still beneath the skin, is Turian blood red beneath the skin??

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human blood is red beneath the skin too, unless its not oxygenated.

there's another ending? what is this Deep Breath ending you speak of? I haven't yet played MP.... have considered it, but not sure. i want to play for the story, but creating my own turian could be fun too. :D

and i had a hard time ditching Kaidan... he's actually an enjoyable character to me, but Garrus will win out every time. i haven't yet killed him on Virmire, mostly cause i'm not Ash's biggest fan. *shrug*

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Niostang wrote...

It's mostly the lag that comes with MP that puts me off. I have horrible memories of Halo multiplayer - moving the thumbsticks around and waiting a full second or two before my character responded onscreen.

Though if you've been playing MP Lily, and you haven't commented on it, I take it the lag isn't so bad?


It's actually pretty good, it has it's off times, but it seems to vary between person to person rather than server specific.

Origin has this NASTY habbit of sometimes booting you off the EA servers though, where you'll lose all XP and credits for that match, and any ammo/armor/etc. you may have been using, even if it's not a problem to do with your internet. But I haven't encountered THAT many problems with it and am hoping this will eventually be fixed.

And Gold Reapers, with an Asari Adept. ****ING ADRENALINE RUSH! :o

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Obsydian wrote...

human blood is red beneath the skin too, unless its not oxygenated.

there's
another ending? what is this Deep Breath ending you speak of? I
haven't yet played MP.... have considered it, but not sure. i want to
play for the story, but creating my own turian could be fun too. :D

and
i had a hard time ditching Kaidan... he's actually an enjoyable
character to me, but Garrus will win out every time. i haven't yet
killed him on Virmire, mostly cause i'm not Ash's biggest fan. *shrug*


It's the ending tacked onto the "Destroy" option when you fulfil a certain requirement which I can never remember correctly. I think it's 5k+ Effective Military strength?

I would love a book of Turian anatomy/physiology right now. And a guide to facial expressions and body language. All those little details that would be so fun to know. Also Turian women and young. I'm sad we never saw official bird-artichoke-raptor wimmen in ME3. But I did get to see Turians running in full strides. That was a view I could appreciate.

I've watched Kaidan romance vids and had Ashley on my ship for my first runthrough. Ashley disappointed me because I thought she might show signs of character development in terms of her xenophobia like Pressly did from his time in ME1. I wasn't expecting a complete turnaround, but maybe the beginnings of a grudging respect. Instead it was like "Yay. My Little Racist™ is aboard the Normandy again." Kaidan. OMG Kaidan's romance vid had me gritting my teeth and throwing my hands up in the air. It just felt like he'd steamrolled Shepard so he could ply her with wine and get her in bed. I'm supposing I'm not seeing all sides of him, not having seen many of his other interactions with Shep but I was definitely not impressed with his romance scene.

LilyasAvalon wrote...

It's actually pretty good, it has it's off times, but it seems to vary between person to person rather than server specific.

Origin
has this NASTY habbit of sometimes booting you off the EA servers
though, where you'll lose all XP and credits for that match, and any
ammo/armor/etc. you may have been using, even if it's not a problem to
do with your internet. But I haven't encountered THAT many problems with
it and am hoping this will eventually be fixed.

And Gold Reapers, with an Asari Adept. ****ING ADRENALINE RUSH! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/w00t.png[/smilie]


That's good to hear! Thank you for your reply. My friends are making their way through their ME2 playthroughs or are just waiting for enough time to start ME3, so hopefully I'll manage to coordinate with them if I don't make a solo foray earlier.

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If you're worried about being alone but want the 'best' ending where Shepard lives, I recommend just playing with random people on bronze. It doesn't take that much effort to bring up your TMS with MP, and you get 3% galaxy wide readiness for each match you finish on bronze. With the assets I got in SP, I'm assuming that the 60% readiness I had in MP did SOMETHING.

Though the math of it confuses me, since according to my assets alone, I did gain enough support from war assets I collected.

Also, turians are fun to play.

As a Kaidan romancer myself, I think it's in the eye of the beholder, it was meant to show their connection and intimacy with each other. Kaidan was just more shy about it than Garrus was, who was more open with Shepard (Though to be fair to Kaidan I suppose, he hasn't had sex with her in roughly 3 years).

I'm disappointed they removed the 'smolder' scene with Kaidan though, that had me SWOONING in the script.

Oh well, at least there's Garrus and his date scene...

I've noticed there are specific differences between Garrus and Kaidan, or other romances. In the end, I think this amounted to their relationship. Kaidan, to a point, still feels like a honeymoon stage.

Garrus felt like they were bondmates, partners. Deeper than simply, husband and wife or boyfriend and girlfriend. Open, accepting, trusting. There is no need for flowers, wine, chocolates. They simply... are. It is not an easy thing to explain. It's like when you can sit beside each other, doing your own thing, without it being awkward.

I mean, Garrus' idea of a date with Shepard was shooting bottles on top of the presidium. Judging by Shepard as her own character, rather than what we have influenced her, I thought that this was perfect, and showed Garrus knew Shepard, who she was and how she was and what was a great way to burn off steam.

Garrus's sex scene, he simply asks her if she'd like his company, and is not fussed or built up over it (There was a comparable difference between the ME3 and ME2 scenes, Garrus was awkward and adorable in the ME2 one, yes, but not in a bad way. That kind of 'fuss' was rather because it was new to them.), like the ME1 sex scenes, or the scene with Kaidan in ME3. After their bonding, he lets her rest while he takes care of work, helping take a load off Shepard's shoulders.

To put it in a simpler term... Making love does not always have to result in you waking up in their arms. Sometimes the sweetest thing to wake up to is your partner taking care of things for you. Making breakfast, taking care of the kids, cleaning up, etc.

To me, that's what makes Garrus' romance so wonderful. It simply... is. There is no drama, no 'does he or she REALLY want me or love me', even with the war going on and even IF Shepard had an ME1 romance with Kaidan (Have not seen or done an ME1 Liara romance, so can't comment on that). Garrus simply trusts Shepard, and understands if being with him in such a way is too much, but he doesn't let it effect their friendship, or the way they must be on a battlefield.

EDIT: Oh dear, I rambled quite a bit. Erm, here, have an apologetic picture.

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LilyasAvalon wrote...

If you're worried about being alone but want the 'best' ending where Shepard lives, I recommend just playing with random people on bronze. It doesn't take that much effort to bring up your TMS with MP, and you get 3% galaxy wide readiness for each match you finish on bronze. With the assets I got in SP, I'm assuming that the 60% readiness I had in MP did SOMETHING.

Though the math of it confuses me, since according to my assets alone, I did gain enough support from war assets I collected.

Also, turians are fun to play.

As a Kaidan romancer myself, I think it's in the eye of the beholder, it was meant to show their connection and intimacy with each other. Kaidan was just more shy about it than Garrus was, who was more open with Shepard (Though to be fair to Kaidan I suppose, he hasn't had sex with her in roughly 3 years).

I'm disappointed they removed the 'smolder' scene with Kaidan though, that had me SWOONING in the script.

Oh well, at least there's Garrus and his date scene...

I've noticed there are specific differences between Garrus and Kaidan, or other romances. In the end, I think this amounted to their relationship. Kaidan, to a point, still feels like a honeymoon stage.

Garrus felt like they were bondmates, partners. Deeper than simply, husband and wife or boyfriend and girlfriend. Open, accepting, trusting. There is no need for flowers, wine, chocolates. They simply... are. It is not an easy thing to explain. It's like when you can sit beside each other, doing your own thing, without it being awkward.

I mean, Garrus' idea of a date with Shepard was shooting bottles on top of the presidium. Judging by Shepard as her own character, rather than what we have influenced her, I thought that this was perfect, and showed Garrus knew Shepard, who she was and how she was and what was a great way to burn off steam.

Garrus's sex scene, he simply asks her if she'd like his company, and is not fussed or built up over it (There was a comparable difference between the ME3 and ME2 scenes, Garrus was awkward and adorable in the ME2 one, yes, but not in a bad way. That kind of 'fuss' was rather because it was new to them.), like the ME1 sex scenes, or the scene with Kaidan in ME3. After their bonding, he lets her rest while he takes care of work, helping take a load off Shepard's shoulders.

To put it in a simpler term... Making love does not always have to result in you waking up in their arms. Sometimes the sweetest thing to wake up to is your partner taking care of things for you. Making breakfast, taking care of the kids, cleaning up, etc.

To me, that's what makes Garrus' romance so wonderful. It simply... is. There is no drama, no 'does he or she REALLY want me or love me', even with the war going on and even IF Shepard had an ME1 romance with Kaidan (Have not seen or done an ME1 Liara romance, so can't comment on that). Garrus simply trusts Shepard, and understands if being with him in such a way is too much, but he doesn't let it effect their friendship, or the way they must be on a battlefield.

EDIT: Oh dear, I rambled quite a bit. Erm, here, have an apologetic picture.

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#13123
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YES TO EVERYTHING IN THE TWO PREVIOUS POSTS.

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Aw, thanks, guys.

I'm in that kind of mood, since I just replayed his romance scenes again.

Also, since someone was saying earlier they were upset about not being able to shoot Kaidan during the coup. You CAN shoot them by simply not choosing the paragon/renegade choice options, even if you did save the salarian counsellor.

Story wise, I preferred shooting Kaidan, more emotional. Garrus, Liara, EDI and Joker had WONDERFUL dialogue.

I was also lacking people in my wall of fallen. :devil:

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LilyasAvalon wrote...

Aw, thanks, guys.

I'm in that kind of mood, since I just replayed his romance scenes again.

Also, since someone was saying earlier they were upset about not being able to shoot Kaidan during the coup. You CAN shoot them by simply not choosing the paragon/renegade choice options, even if you did save the salarian counsellor.

Story wise, I preferred shooting Kaidan, more emotional. Garrus, Liara, EDI and Joker had WONDERFUL dialogue.

I was also lacking people in my wall of fallen. :devil:



Why, what did garrus say if you shot him?