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[Bad Cupcake]

Have you guys seen this?

http://knowyourmeme....CAJG7x.facebook

We should spread it around. It's The Top 10 Reasons the endings just don't work. It's really well done.

[Karrie788]

Yeah I've seen it. He also uploaded a video on the Indoctrination Theory, I'm actually watching it right now.



I'm on board with the IT now, as much as I despise "it was all a dream" endings. This one could acctually work.

[Bad Cupcake]

I'm on board with whatever fixes this nonsense.

[Jackiedeex7]

So I missed it in my play-through but apparently Sidonis offs himself if you convince Garrus to let him go in ME2? Meh... maybe next time I'll just let G kill him since it doesn't seem like sparing him makes a difference. Most of you seem to play Paragrade so most of you probably let G take the shot.


My Shep is (as Jack puts it) "Queen of the Girlscouts" so it's pretty in character for her to have the whole, "Killing him won't bring your men back," conversation and then to be a pain in the ass and get in the way of his shot.

[Bad Cupcake]

I'm on board with whatever fixes this nonsense. I don't want the mass relays to be blown up. You know, amongst a grocery list of other stuff I don't want for an ending. 

Modifié par Bad Cupcake, 25 mars 2012 - 11:51 .

[outmane]

Jackiedeex7 wrote...

So I missed it in my play-through but apparently Sidonis offs himself if you convince Garrus to let him go in ME2? Meh... maybe next time I'll just let G kill him since it doesn't seem like sparing him makes a difference. Most of you seem to play Paragrade so most of you probably let G take the shot.


My Shep is (as Jack puts it) "Queen of the Girlscouts" so it's pretty in character for her to have the whole, "Killing him won't bring your men back," conversation and then to be a pain in the ass and get in the way of his shot.

It ends up to be mostly a RP exercise, so anyway you fix the problem is fine. Would have been nice to see some repercussion tho. I personaly let garrus take the shot but I know many dont (it usedto be a big subject back before ME3).A least now no one does it cause 'there will be benefits'. Everyone can go for what their Shep would have done.

[Bad Cupcake]

Where do you find out that Sidonis kills himself?

[Karrie788]

I didn't let Garrus kill Sidonis. I didn't do it for Sidonis, though. I feel sorry about him now that I know he killed himself out of guilt, but the reason I spared him was first and foremost for Garrus.

My Shep's a bit motherly towards him. She doesn't want him to go down a road made of revenge and bloodbaths. Hence the decision to spare Sidonis.

As for the mass relays, I can understand why in, at least one of the endings, they could be destroyed. They symbolize the fact that the Reapers manipulate the organics into evolving the way they want it. Now to have them explode in ALL endings is wrong.

No, my main problem is with the Normandy's fate. First off, it's a cheap way to add drama we DIDN'T need. It's just lazy writing. And I don't buy for a SECOND that Joker and the rest of the screw, your squad AND your LI just decide to flee the battle. It turns them into cowards, which they are not.

Modifié par Karrie788, 26 mars 2012 - 12:07 .

[Bad Cupcake]

Yeah, cuz last I looked... Garrus was right behind me.

I just hate that everyone is stranded and cut off.

[Karrie788]

I just don't understand why Bioware did this (way to sound whiny...). The strong point of ME (and many other Bioware games) has always been the characters. You cared about them. In ME's case, you guys sometimes have spent five years caring about them. To make you foster those relationships just to take it all away at the last second?

Did they really think that dooming the Normandy no matter what you did would cause a positive reaction from the fans? Like, "oh wow, it's so deep."

It's not deep. It's very lazy writing. There's no logical nor philosophical reason for taking all of the characters away from us. You could understand Mordin's death: it's the scientist's redemption. Legion's death was ending something to create something new and bigger. Thane's death was expected and very moving. In a way, it also was his redemption.

Normandy getting stranded? No matter how many times I think about it, I see no reason as to why it should happen according to the themes developed in the game.

[Squeeze the Fish]

Bad Cupcake wrote...

Where do you find out that Sidonis kills himself?

^This

???

[electrosphere11]

[outmane]

Karrie788 wrote...

I just don't understand why Bioware did this (way to sound whiny...). The strong point of ME (and many other Bioware games) has always been the characters. You cared about them. In ME's case, you guys sometimes have spent five years caring about them. To make you foster those relationships just to take it all away at the last second?

Did they really think that dooming the Normandy no matter what you did would cause a positive reaction from the fans? Like, "oh wow, it's so deep."

It's not deep. It's very lazy writing. There's no logical nor philosophical reason for taking all of the characters away from us. You could understand Mordin's death: it's the scientist's redemption. Legion's death was ending something to create something new and bigger. Thane's death was expected and very moving. In a way, it also was his redemption.

Normandy getting stranded? No matter how many times I think about it, I see no reason as to why it should happen according to the themes developed in the game.

I have a small idea on the 'Normandy thing'. Here how it goes: so the devs realized they wanted to kill Shep and bomb the MEverse back to stone age and they thought 'well the fan wont like it if we kill their favoirite companions and LIs' so they thought finding a way to save them would 'soften the blow'...

 Not only do you die and destroy everything you tried to achieve but yor teammates end up betraying you. Very bad logic indeed.

[Karrie788]

outmane wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

I just don't understand why Bioware did this (way to sound whiny...). The strong point of ME (and many other Bioware games) has always been the characters. You cared about them. In ME's case, you guys sometimes have spent five years caring about them. To make you foster those relationships just to take it all away at the last second?

Did they really think that dooming the Normandy no matter what you did would cause a positive reaction from the fans? Like, "oh wow, it's so deep."

It's not deep. It's very lazy writing. There's no logical nor philosophical reason for taking all of the characters away from us. You could understand Mordin's death: it's the scientist's redemption. Legion's death was ending something to create something new and bigger. Thane's death was expected and very moving. In a way, it also was his redemption.

Normandy getting stranded? No matter how many times I think about it, I see no reason as to why it should happen according to the themes developed in the game.

I have a small idea on the 'Normandy thing'. Here how it goes: so the devs realized they wanted to kill Shep and bomb the MEverse back to stone age and they thought 'well the fan wont like it if we kill their favoirite companions and LIs' so they thought finding a way to save them would 'soften the blow'...

 Not only do you die and destroy everything you tried to achieve but yor teammates end up betraying you. Very bad logic indeed.

See, I would have preferred to see them all die. I would have b*tched, of course, but separating them from Shep forever is the worst thing they could have done. Especially when the reason they get separated from you is because your fearless pilot somehow turns into a coward.

[Jackiedeex7]

Karrie788 wrote...

I didn't let Garrus kill Sidonis. I didn't do it for Sidonis, though. I feel sorry about him now that I know he killed himself out of guilt, but the reason I spared him was first and foremost for Garrus.

My Shep's a bit motherly towards him. She doesn't want him to go down a road made of revenge and bloodbaths. Hence the decision to spare Sidonis.

Yeah my Shep felt a lot of guilt about what happened to Garrrus between ME and ME2 and that if she had been there for him he wouldn't have had to go through his team dying and the toll that took on him. It's not really rational since she was dead but that's how she is.

On another note, I love how all the "happily ever after with Garrus" pictures are on a beach! Turians like warm climates but they don't seem to like water that much  I always pictured them living in a more desert-like climate.

Oh well, it's still adorable!

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

 Finally got round to getting some Pics of Motoko and Garrus, if there is one neat thing about the post-SP save, is that it parks you right before the romance scene.





One thing I loved about ME3 was that I could finally give Motoko her purple hair without any mods 

Also to some degree I think I made her look better than her original look which I had from ME/ME2 (had to redo her due to the known issue with ME imports).

Whilst I was for the most part happy with how my initial Motoko-Garrusmance Shep playthrough went, I am thinking of replaying it as there are a couple of decisions that I'm still debating over if I made the right choice she would make and 1 that I don't think she really did the more I have thought about it. I think I will wait until though until there is any potential news as to what (if any) updates there will be to the ending.

With regards to the ending, the one I chose I think was right for the ones available... Motoko looking down on Garrus from up in that bar.

It isn't the ending I really wanted, but I was ok with it... part of me hopes any revision allows for some head-cannon, because I think to get all the endings everyone is wanting would be impossible otherwise. As such... my head-cannon ending that I seem to recall talking of in the ME2 Garrus topic was of Hackett and Anderson talking ala ME entry but without Udina (ha got my wish about Udina:wizard:) ,shame it'd now have to be Hackett and someone else... in this instance I'll go with Ashley or James talking about stuff... although the crunch line could only really have been said by Anderson I think (specially after hearing the long version of his final speech  )... and yes I'll admit am swiping it from a movie... but it basically is Hackett asking where Shepard is, other person stating they are not sure with differing reports, but how they like to think that Shepard finally found some small measure of peace, that we all seek, but few of us rarely ever find... (and now am crying as write this because I've got the theme from that movie playing as I type), the scene shifts from Hackett and whomever on some Alliance ship, to some tropical planet (maybe like the one we do see) and on some remote beach head, there is a hut and Garrus and Shepard are cozying up aside each other staring out toward the sun.

But hey, if not, she'll be up there in that bar looking down on him, he'll never be alone 

[RedundantAccount]

Jackiedeex7 wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

I didn't let Garrus kill Sidonis. I didn't do it for Sidonis, though. I feel sorry about him now that I know he killed himself out of guilt, but the reason I spared him was first and foremost for Garrus.

My Shep's a bit motherly towards him. She doesn't want him to go down a road made of revenge and bloodbaths. Hence the decision to spare Sidonis.

Yeah my Shep felt a lot of guilt about what happened to Garrrus between ME and ME2 and that if she had been there for him he wouldn't have had to go through his team dying and the toll that took on him. It's not really rational since she was dead but that's how she is.

On another note, I love how all the "happily ever after with Garrus" pictures are on a beach! Turians like warm climates but they don't seem to like water that much  I always pictured them living in a more desert-like climate.

Oh well, it's still adorable!

Reminds me of one of my favorite lines:

"Obviously you've never seen a Turian swim. There's lots of flailing and splashing with occasional bouts of drowning."
to which Shep quips that she'd just have to save his a** again or something like that. 

 I LOL'ed. You only get it with unromanced Garrus during Citadel bonding time if you propose a dip in the pool. 

[Periph]

outmane wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

I just don't understand why Bioware did this (way to sound whiny...). The strong point of ME (and many other Bioware games) has always been the characters. You cared about them. In ME's case, you guys sometimes have spent five years caring about them. To make you foster those relationships just to take it all away at the last second?

Did they really think that dooming the Normandy no matter what you did would cause a positive reaction from the fans? Like, "oh wow, it's so deep."

It's not deep. It's very lazy writing. There's no logical nor philosophical reason for taking all of the characters away from us. You could understand Mordin's death: it's the scientist's redemption. Legion's death was ending something to create something new and bigger. Thane's death was expected and very moving. In a way, it also was his redemption.

Normandy getting stranded? No matter how many times I think about it, I see no reason as to why it should happen according to the themes developed in the game.

I have a small idea on the 'Normandy thing'. Here how it goes: so the devs realized they wanted to kill Shep and bomb the MEverse back to stone age and they thought 'well the fan wont like it if we kill their favoirite companions and LIs' so they thought finding a way to save them would 'soften the blow'...

 Not only do you die and destroy everything you tried to achieve but yor teammates end up betraying you. Very bad logic indeed.

Like Karrie said, the other deaths were perfect. Mordin finished his life's work. Legion saved the geth. Thane was critically injured while stopping an assassination, and his previously estranged son was there when he died. Those were good endings. This was not.

I get the feeling the Normandy bit was supposed to be a hopeful "look, they're okay!" thing. Except they aren't.



According to that ending, one of these men escapes his expected, heroic death and instead starves to death.

Just...why?

Modifié par Periph, 26 mars 2012 - 12:39 .

[outmane]

Karrie788 wrote...

outmane wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

I just don't understand why Bioware did this (way to sound whiny...). The strong point of ME (and many other Bioware games) has always been the characters. You cared about them. In ME's case, you guys sometimes have spent five years caring about them. To make you foster those relationships just to take it all away at the last second?

Did they really think that dooming the Normandy no matter what you did would cause a positive reaction from the fans? Like, "oh wow, it's so deep."

It's not deep. It's very lazy writing. There's no logical nor philosophical reason for taking all of the characters away from us. You could understand Mordin's death: it's the scientist's redemption. Legion's death was ending something to create something new and bigger. Thane's death was expected and very moving. In a way, it also was his redemption.

Normandy getting stranded? No matter how many times I think about it, I see no reason as to why it should happen according to the themes developed in the game.

I have a small idea on the 'Normandy thing'. Here how it goes: so the devs realized they wanted to kill Shep and bomb the MEverse back to stone age and they thought 'well the fan wont like it if we kill their favoirite companions and LIs' so they thought finding a way to save them would 'soften the blow'...

 Not only do you die and destroy everything you tried to achieve but yor teammates end up betraying you. Very bad logic indeed.

See, I would have preferred to see them all die. I would have b*tched, of course, but separating them from Shep forever is the worst thing they could have done. Especially when the reason they get separated from you is because your fearless pilot somehow turns into a coward.

You and me both

Modifié par outmane, 26 mars 2012 - 12:45 .

[Mara Shep]

Deviant Ingredient wrote...

Btw, does anyone else have a hard time picturing the Volus in their battle bomb ships. The only way I can picture it is if they all sit in those floaty chairs you see in WALL.E.

Volus: *Shik.* I own this ship. *Shik* I own you! *Bombs a reaper.*

I bet they even have cup holders.

I would pay to see this.

Bad Cupcake wrote...

Have you guys seen this?

http://knowyourmeme....CAJG7x.facebook

We should spread it around. It's The Top 10 Reasons the endings just don't work. It's really well done.

Tweeted it, it sums up all my thoughts way better than I could.

Yeah, in my head Garrus would rather go out storming towards the Beam than be stuck on a planet.  Or retire knowing he fought till the end.

Modifié par Mara Shep, 26 mars 2012 - 01:01 .

[Soaringeagle78]

Bad Cupcake wrote...

Where do you find out that Sidonis kills himself?

Wait, WHAT?! Where did you hear that? If it's in the game, I'd like to see a link to it before I believe that.

[outmane]

Personaly, all I know is that here isnt any benefits from keeping Sidonis alive. You never meet him again and he doesnt become a war asset or gets mentionned doing something for the galaxy.

but I dont know about suicide.

[Twilight_Princess]

outmane wrote...

Personaly, all I know is that here isnt any benefits from keeping Sidonis alive. You never meet him again and he doesnt become a war asset or gets mentionned doing something for the galaxy.

but I dont know about suicide.

Even so I still would keep the traitor alive just for the dialogue alone

"It's so much easier to see the world in black or white...gray...I don't know what to do with gray"

[Felene]

Soaringeagle78 wrote...

Bad Cupcake wrote...

Where do you find out that Sidonis kills himself?

Wait, WHAT?! Where did you hear that? If it's in the game, I'd like to see a link to it before I believe that.

Same here.

[Felene]

Don't know if post before.