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Karrie788

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Deviant Ingredient wrote...

So...curious, how many people have actually played ME3 more than once? Even though I hate the endings I'm on my 4th playthrough. I love the game overall. And Garrus.


I can't. I've tried no less than four times but my heart starts breaking again after the Udina coup and I have to put the game away. I'm playing the first two games to ease the pain. I already said it, but roleplaying Shepard falling for Garrus in ME2 is incredibly fun.

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Don't know if you guys have seen this poll, but it's asking about hottest love interests.  Garrus isn't doing too well!

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Deviant Ingredient wrote...

So...curious, how many people have actually played ME3 more than once? Even though I hate the endings I'm on my 4th playthrough. I love the game overall. And Garrus.


I've managed two playthroughs with my main shep (one where Kaidan lives and one where Ash lives.  I wanted to see what differences there were with them and if either of them reacted to my Garrus-mance), but it was really tough the second time.  Pretty much the things that kept me going were being able to interact with Garrus.  I just kept looking forward to talking to him or getting that new dialogue or scene with him.  I've started a third game, but I just can't anymore.

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Hihane wrote...

Don't know if you guys have seen this poll, but it's asking about hottest love interests.  Garrus isn't doing too well!

Considering it says based on physical attractiveness alone, I'm not surprised. The poll ignores some of the categories he would win hands down (sexy voice, amazing personality, great storyline). ;)

Turian aesthetics are an acquired taste. I'm also not surprised the women are dominating, since they were all designed first and foremost to be attractive to the 'mainstream'.

Still, I voted for him. The uncanny valley is so strong with the humans that they come off looking slightly deformed if I try to imagine them in real life. It creeps me out. Whereas Garrus I could just imagine looking more or less exactly the same without being put off. In my case, it's not that I find Garrus more objectively attractive than any human male, but definitely moreso than the humans I've seen in Mass Effect.

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Argraharg wrote...

CrazyIvan93 wrote...Im a xenophile and Im gay for Garrus (bi for turians, but straight IRL, idk why turians are sexy). You dont know how much I wish aliens were already met.

It's a well known fact that everyone, yes even the women, are gay for Garrus.

Seriously though, for me it's more of a case of being gay for turians and since we didn't get to see any female turians (insert fanboy nerdrage here) being gay for Garrus is all that I got.


So true dude, i want turian females...

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Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Hihane wrote...

Don't know if you guys have seen this poll, but it's asking about hottest love interests.  Garrus isn't doing too well!

Considering it says based on physical attractiveness alone, I'm not surprised. The poll ignores some of the categories he would win hands down (sexy voice, amazing personality, great storyline). ;)

Turian aesthetics are an acquired taste. I'm also not surprised the women are dominating, since they were all designed first and foremost to be attractive to the 'mainstream'.

Still, I voted for him. The uncanny valley is so strong with the humans that they come off looking slightly deformed if I try to imagine them in real life. It creeps me out. Whereas Garrus I could just imagine looking more or less exactly the same without being put off. In my case, it's not that I find Garrus more objectively attractive than any human male, but definitely moreso than the humans I've seen in Mass Effect.


Agreed. I didn't find Garrus that attractive at first, but he makes me swoon now just by appearing on screen. I'm not sure why. It's interesting.

And also agreed about the humans in ME. They look like dolls in ME1. Funnily enough I'm very fond of my Shep's appearance regardless.

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I can't copy/paste for quotes on this device, but Mistress Melon's story made me jealous. I need to go out drinking with other ME fans. Not to say anything bad about my friends-- they did all pool their funds to get me a bunch of ME t-shirts for my birthday (including the aforementioned Garrus shirt)-- but it is kinda nice to nerd out about the series among like minds.

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TallonRoe wrote...

I can't copy/paste for quotes on this device, but Mistress Melon's story made me jealous. I need to go out drinking with other ME fans. Not to say anything bad about my friends-- they did all pool their funds to get me a bunch of ME t-shirts for my birthday (including the aforementioned Garrus shirt)-- but it is kinda nice to nerd out about the series among like minds.


I know what you mean. Can't seem to find a fellow ME fan apart from my ex around here. And he wasn't that much into it anyway.

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Deviant Ingredient wrote...

So...curious, how many people have actually played ME3 more than once? Even though I hate the endings I'm on my 4th playthrough. I love the game overall. And Garrus.


Im still playing the game itself but im stopping before the end. its jsut pointless to go there. Some of my ME3 romance I dont plan on getting more far then the citadel coup.

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Karrie788 wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Hihane wrote...

Don't know if you guys have seen this poll, but it's asking about hottest love interests.  Garrus isn't doing too well!

Considering it says based on physical attractiveness alone, I'm not surprised. The poll ignores some of the categories he would win hands down (sexy voice, amazing personality, great storyline). ;)

Turian aesthetics are an acquired taste. I'm also not surprised the women are dominating, since they were all designed first and foremost to be attractive to the 'mainstream'.

Still, I voted for him. The uncanny valley is so strong with the humans that they come off looking slightly deformed if I try to imagine them in real life. It creeps me out. Whereas Garrus I could just imagine looking more or less exactly the same without being put off. In my case, it's not that I find Garrus more objectively attractive than any human male, but definitely moreso than the humans I've seen in Mass Effect.


Agreed. I didn't find Garrus that attractive at first, but he makes me swoon now just by appearing on screen. I'm not sure why. It's interesting.

And also agreed about the humans in ME. They look like dolls in ME1. Funnily enough I'm very fond of my Shep's appearance regardless.


To be honest, its easier for me to appreciate Turian's esthetics then the uncanny valley most of the human characters have.

Specially the smiles and the hands. It just creeps me out.

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Hi, I'm new to this forum (posting wise, been lurking since ME1). Gotta say, it's good to know I'm NOT the only girl who became an emotional wreck over Garrus' last conversation. It took days for the thought of those words to finally go away. I never thought about the uncanny valley playing a role in Garrus' attractiveness..but now that you guys mention it, I believe it plays a strong role.
Anyways, while I'm introducing myself, meet my Femshep, infiltrator Lita Shepard. (hope I posted the image correctly, been years since I did this)
Posted ImageUntitled by madds212

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Madds17 wrote...

Hi, I'm new to this forum (posting wise, been lurking since ME1). Gotta say, it's good to know I'm NOT the only girl who became an emotional wreck over Garrus' last conversation. It took days for the thought of those words to finally go away. I never thought about the uncanny valley playing a role in Garrus' attractiveness..but now that you guys mention it, I believe it plays a strong role.
Anyways, while I'm introducing myself, meet my Femshep, infiltrator Lita Shepard. (hope I posted the image correctly, been years since I did this)
Posted ImageUntitled by madds212


Hey Madds! *headbump* Welcome! :)

Ok, I have to ask, what do you all mean by "uncanny valley"?

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Karrie788 wrote...

Madds17 wrote...

Hi, I'm new to this forum (posting wise, been lurking since ME1). Gotta say, it's good to know I'm NOT the only girl who became an emotional wreck over Garrus' last conversation. It took days for the thought of those words to finally go away. I never thought about the uncanny valley playing a role in Garrus' attractiveness..but now that you guys mention it, I believe it plays a strong role.
Anyways, while I'm introducing myself, meet my Femshep, infiltrator Lita Shepard. (hope I posted the image correctly, been years since I did this)
Posted ImageUntitled by madds212


Hey Madds! *headbump* Welcome! :)

Ok, I have to ask, what do you all mean by "uncanny valley"?


Someone mentioned it earlier in the thread.  It's hard to explain, but here goes. The "uncanny valley" is the idea that something that something that tries to imitate a human, like a robot or CGI character, eventually reaches a point where it is almost human-like but actual humans feel creeped out by the character.  The reactions take a dive into an "uncanny valley" on graphs, hence the name.  This is my area of study in college :P, except I want to find ways to crawl out of the uncanny valley.

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Deviant Ingredient wrote...

So...curious, how many people have actually played ME3 more than once? Even though I hate the endings I'm on my 4th playthrough. I love the game overall. And Garrus.


I did two, (or will if I ever finish my second playthrough that is). The second time was so that I could 1) go through the Garrus romance (my first was Thane), and 2) because with everyone saying how the endings ruined the game/series for them.. I wanted to see if it was true for me too. And it wasn't, I still love the game but now that I don't have the heart to finish London, I don't know.

But I don't know if that's because of the endings, or because that romanced-Garrus goodbye kind of broke me. 

As for knowing other fans in real life, I lucked out; it also helps that I'm in one of the nerdiest departments at my university. Mass Effect comes up pretty much all the time. 

And finding Garrus attractive? Uh, physically I didn't, but the voice, his lines and the way he treats Shepard make me care about that aspect a whole lot less - but I also don't consider him ugly. The turian designs are really neat, though...

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Karrie788 wrote...

TallonRoe wrote...

I can't copy/paste for quotes on this device, but Mistress Melon's story made me jealous. I need to go out drinking with other ME fans. Not to say anything bad about my friends-- they did all pool their funds to get me a bunch of ME t-shirts for my birthday (including the aforementioned Garrus shirt)-- but it is kinda nice to nerd out about the series among like minds.


I know what you mean. Can't seem to find a fellow ME fan apart from my ex around here. And he wasn't that much into it anyway.


I feel you. It's a shame really. But I'm so happy I found you guys <3

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kyuusei wrote...
And finding Garrus attractive? Uh, physically I didn't, but the voice, his lines and the way he treats Shepard make me care about that aspect a whole lot less - but I also don't consider him ugly. The turian designs are really neat, though...


ITA.  I remember reading in an article where the reviewer (a Garrus fangirl too) called his look like a cross between a cat and a dragon, lol.  Which, to be fair...  I can see it.  Way back in the ME1 days, I thought he looked like a bird and was not sure why anyone would romance him, but...the voice...the sexy sniper rifle...the consistently awesome personality...the commitment to Shepard that goes above and beyond any other LI (imo, maybe except for Liara)...  It all sort of worked together for me, and I think he is adorable today.  

IDK.  I actually think that Nihilus and Victus have more conventionally attractive designs than Garrus.  Maybe it's their coloring (because don't all Turians have the same head model) or their hi-res skins?  Just my opinion, and it doesn't matter anyway, b/c neither of them have 1/10th of Garrus's awesomeness.  ;)

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Karrie788 wrote...
Ok, I have to ask, what do you all mean by "uncanny valley"?


I'm going to try and explain this without going to Wikipedia haha. So bear with me or feel free to skip.

Have you ever caught yourself watching the facial animations between specifically human characters in ME3, and then suddenly you notice that they have a sort of "dead in the eyes" look, even though the rest of their face/body/voicework is perfectly expressive? And even though that detail of "aliveness in their eyes" seems so tiny and so subtle, is it just enough to - even mildly - make your skin crawl or make you feel creeped out? When you feel that sense of your skin crawling, or creeped outness, according to the theory, you're feeling repulsion. And that's when you've stepped into the Uncanny Valley.

The idea is, the less human something appears, even if it acts/talks human, you're still able to accept it without too much difficulty. It may be weird, scary, funny - whatever, but you aren't at that subtle, instinctive, skin crawling level of repulsion. But when something starts appearing really human to the point where you want to automatically accept it as human, but you keep noticing these details that stop you short of being able to accept and it results in said feelings of instinctive repulsion - boom Uncanny Valley.

It's a hard thing to quantify because it's pretty much subjective, but if you want a more technical rundown http://en.wikipedia..../Uncanny_valley.

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Thanks guys, I think I understand what it means now. And yeah, I definitely get that feeling from ME human characters.

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It's funny, because I do find Garrus physically attractive, but not other Turians. I find the turians visually appealing, but not necessarily attractive. Yeah, even I don't understand it.

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Exile Isan wrote...

It's funny, because I do find Garrus physically attractive, but not other Turians. I find the turians visually appealing, but not necessarily attractive. Yeah, even I don't understand it.


I'm the same! I like their design but I can honestly say that I only find Garrus physically attractive. I keep wondering why, because I didn't find him attractive at all at first. His tone of skin looked pretty dull to me.

It's a mystery.

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This Uncanny Valley converstion has made me ponder: does anyone else look at Human!Garrus fanart and find it does nothing for them?

Karrie788 wrote...

Exile Isan wrote...

It's
funny, because I do find Garrus physically attractive, but not other
Turians. I find the turians visually appealing, but not necessarily
attractive. Yeah, even I don't understand it.


I'm the
same! I like their design but I can honestly say that I only find Garrus
physically attractive. I keep wondering why, because I didn't find him
attractive at all at first. His tone of skin looked pretty dull to me.

It's a mystery.


I figure it's more that we're Garrus-sexual rather than Turian-sexual. Garrus romanced our brains and the physicality sort of just followed it its wake. We like Garrus because he's Garrus, not because he's Turian.

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Niostang wrote...

This Uncanny Valley converstion has made me ponder: does anyone else look at Human!Garrus fanart and find it does nothing for them?


Yep. Not that it looks bad or anything, it's just not as attractive.

Which is even stranger.

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Garrus and all turians look sexy as hell to me... i want to bang them all >____<

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Karrie788 wrote...
I'm the same! I like their design but I can honestly say that I only find Garrus physically attractive. I keep wondering why, because I didn't find him attractive at all at first. His tone of skin looked pretty dull to me.

It's a mystery.


Nice to know I'm not the only one. I think part of it is that Garrus has better textures in ME2, he's pretty low res in ME1, resulting in the dullness you mentioned.

Besides scars are sexy! Posted Image

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Karrie788 wrote...

Niostang wrote...

This Uncanny Valley converstion has made me ponder: does anyone else look at Human!Garrus fanart and find it does nothing for them?


Yep. Not that it looks bad or anything, it's just not as attractive.

Which is even stranger.


Ditto. Some of the human versions of ME characters fanart can be spot-on, like Mordin looking like Egon from Ghostbusters haha. But the Garrus ones.. meh. I don't know if I just prefer Garrus as is, or find him unconventionally attractive now, but separating him from his turian design makes him less... interesting to look at as a human.