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[txmn1016]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Also, just found this:

This is really beautiful.  I've been searching around for some Garrus/default femshep combat screenies to use as my wallpaper but I haven't been able to find any so this will probably end up on my desktop instead.  

[Niostang]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

afterimagesof wrote...
The "I'm game." part was real. The part about biology not cooperating I'll chalk up to femShep being unaware of the stunning power of fanfiction. At least that's how it's going in my head. You two want babies? We'll find you a way to have babies.

The asari reproduce by using the genetic markers of the "father" species to randomize their offsprings' DNA.  Theoretically, FemShep and Garrus could do the same thing, use some kind of medical VI interface to randomize Shepard's DNA using Garrus's genetic markers.  The daughter would still be 100% human, a child Shepard could carry safely to term, but with some biological influence from Garrus. 

<science speculation>

I've never figured how how exactly the asari method of reproduction would work scientifically, but I imagine it'd be something like this: humans carry multiple alleles for specific traits (genotype) but only manifest some of them physically (phenotype).  For example, dark hair is dominant over blonde hair, but an individual could carry alleles for both.  I think using Garrus's DNA as a genetic "map" for Shepard's offspring would result in different alleles expressing themselves.  If Shepard had alleles for both light eyes and dark eyes, but Garrus expresses light eyes, their daughter would express the alleles for light eyes following Garrus's genetic markers.

That being said, I'm a neuroscience person, not general biology, so if any of you are biology folks, I'd welcome some input on this theory of mine.

</science speculation>

This is a heartachingly beautiful idea. Seconding request for someone with the appropriate knowledge background to weigh in.

[Spartas Husky]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...
who
cares dude. Even between Male shep and liara I had an idea of adopting a
turian baby. fudge that. I love cats, and they reminded of cats

Now I want to see Garrus covered in kittens, looking very confused.  

lol Look garrus they are your relatives on earth .

Not really. Garrus is avian, predator based right? Closer to birds and dinasour based reptiles than felines?...

Wait.... Turians have babies or they lay babies...




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She explained how it works. As they get funky, their central nervous system combines into one, thus adding the information of the other half of the gene for the asari. This must mean that the act of bonding randomizes the genes she already carries.

Like Liara said sexual intercourse might be or might not be necessary. ALl they need is the memories. Which is close to what Assassin's Creed alludes to. Where your information is store in your blood, not necessarily your reproductive organs.

The asari are an alegory for the Gethenians. Is part of the womans activist group where a theorized species of mono gender individuals assume male or female roles only during the process of birth, and well carrying the baby. Two Gethenians meet, and by random one of the two becomes impregnated. Subsequently their hormone levels change to assume their respective roles. Upon the babies birth however the morther chances back to mono gender. This gives the idea that women and men are equal, and what matters is the memories that they shared, and that were used in the bonding procress that gave birth to new life.


The method of bonding is not important, the meaning behind it is. Which is that of equality between man and women. For all the gibber gabber of today men and women aren't equal, sad fact is, we wont be for a while. Most men dont want to be equal regardless of what they may say, and most women dont trully wish to be equal either. The asari were a nice addition. Once I had a class 2 years ago that mentioned the Gethenians, I was like..............wow is the asari.

Found my book from two years: Quote: Ursula K Leguin's. Examining our gender.

The gethenians are ambisexual. Neither male nor female. Through pregnancy at random one of the two mates becomes the mother, the other male simply as a sense of protection over the two more vulnerable entities. Because of this a gethenias could be the mother or the carrier or many children as well as the father or the protectors of many others. Genetic material may or may not be needed for the bonding. Psycological imprinting? ejaculation? randomizing the traits?.

Reason for this theorized species is that it does away with gender. There is no lesser of the two biologically or socially. There is no predespotition for the children to seek one of the two parents. For the Gethenians genders only apply during pregnancy after it the parents simply become two ...parents, neither male nor female in their biology. There is little war in Gethen, the planet they originate from. Indeed due to the lack of gender, or their harsh cold climate. Either way

:the purposes of this book, specially in chapter six is the question of sex , what women trully want, and need and the same goes for men. The simply understanding is prevalent since prehistoric times. A man wants his virility regarded, a feeling of superiority approved, a female wishes to be appreciated, regarded as equal while subconsciously wishing to be taken care of. Both of these themes are mutually exclusive for a man who understands his virility understands he is merely a piece of the puzzle to create life, and thus a feeling of superiority is absurd. However the woman instinctive drive to be appreciated and regarded as an equal goes in contrast with her primitive instinct to be protected. There are two ways to solve this problem. The easier is to make a fictional species that puts not emphasis on gender... the other is to ask both men and women to get off their thrones; the men to get off their throne that they claim they have fought for, and for woman to give up the throne they ask men to provide. Equality starts with memories and actions, hence the Gethenians ability to simply pass their genetic code through sexual acts or simple holding excludes any foolish sense of security or superiority, for there is nothing to be superior about. One day you might be a mother, the next you could be the father.

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 10 avril 2012 - 02:43 .

[Spartas Husky]

edited.

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 10 avril 2012 - 02:43 .

[afterimagesof]

Spartas Husky wrote...


lol Look garrus they are your relatives on earth .

Not really. Garrus is avian, predator based right? Closer to birds and dinasour based reptiles than felines?...

Wait.... Turians have babies or they lay babies...

Turians are viviparous (live birth).

[Spartas Husky]

afterimagesof wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...


lol Look garrus they are your relatives on earth .

Not really. Garrus is avian, predator based right? Closer to birds and dinasour based reptiles than felines?...

Wait.... Turians have babies or they lay babies...

Turians are viviparous (live birth).

ah... weird them being closer to avian creatures.

[Karrie788]

Spartas Husky wrote...

afterimagesof wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...


lol Look garrus they are your relatives on earth .

Not really. Garrus is avian, predator based right? Closer to birds and dinasour based reptiles than felines?...

Wait.... Turians have babies or they lay babies...

Turians are viviparous (live birth).

ah... weird them being closer to avian creatures.

They look avian, but other than that...

[Sable Rhapsody]

afterimagesof wrote...
Well huh. I'm not sure how you managed to read a partially completed fanfic that currently only exists in a spiral bound notebook of mine, but I believe you might be looking through my stuff, and/or a ninja.

Great minds think alike, what else can I say? 

Spartas Husky wrote...

She explained how it works. As they get funky, their central nervous system combines into one, thus adding the information of the other half of the gene for the asari. This must mean that the act of bonding randomizes the genes she already carries.

I'm clear on that, I'm just wondering HOW the gene randomization is manifested in the child's genotype and phenotype.  In human gametes "randomization" (though that's not strictly speaking the correct way of thinking of it) takes place during the crossing over phase of meiosis to produce unique gametes that carry the woman's maternal and paternal DNA.  

I can see two ways this might work for Shep and Garrus; one is to clone Shepard's DNA, use the VI to scramble the DNA in a manner similar to "crossing over," then use the somatic cell nuclear transfer technique a la Dolly the cloned sheep to transfer the DNA to an egg and stimulate it to divide.  The other way would be to use one of Shep's eggs, genetically engineer a "sperm" cell with her DNA scrambled from Garrus's markers, and artificially inseminate her.

Or we could just call SPACE MAGIC and stop thinking about this so hard 

[Spartas Husky]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

afterimagesof wrote...
Well huh. I'm not sure how you managed to read a partially completed fanfic that currently only exists in a spiral bound notebook of mine, but I believe you might be looking through my stuff, and/or a ninja.

Great minds think alike, what else can I say? 

Spartas Husky wrote...

She explained how it works. As they get funky, their central nervous system combines into one, thus adding the information of the other half of the gene for the asari. This must mean that the act of bonding randomizes the genes she already carries.

I'm clear on that, I'm just wondering HOW the gene randomization is manifested in the child's genotype and phenotype.  In human gametes "randomization" (though that's not strictly speaking the correct way of thinking of it) takes place during the crossing over phase of meiosis to produce unique gametes that carry the woman's maternal and paternal DNA.  

Knowledge. Remember the alegory of them to the Gethenians. Their species are based on the acquisition and the hording of the knowledge. Traits, genetics can be passed through simply touch.

This also is alluded when Javik first makes contact with you, and when he touches the asari captain. he can "sense" her genes, her ancestry simply by touch. And given their manipulation of Asari biology it is safe to say they tried to make the asari "on their image". By being able to sense, pass on, or acquire traits simply through physical bonding. Although sexual act might also be used to do so.

And what part of our bodies... or any living creatures body assimilates and stores information?. The brain with its extension being the central nervous system.. The Asari are closer to computers in that regard. They need only read your files and combine data according, although not concisouly to create a new "file".


Hence why Asari dont need sexual act. The hanar, the elcor etc etc. Liara's Dad... forgot her/his name. Was the mother of a half hanar asari. Not because the hanar... could poke her. or maybe I dont know. ....

Anyways that is disturbing, I'd like to think it was simply touch and thats the end of the hanar part.

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 10 avril 2012 - 03:02 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Spartas Husky wrote...
Knowledge. Remember the alegory of them to the Gethenians. Their species are based on the acquisition and the hording of the knowledge. Traits, genetics can be passed through simply touch.

This also is alluded when Javik first makes contact with you, and when he touches the asari captain. he can "sense" her genes, her ancestry simply by touch. And given their manipulation of Asari biology it is safe to say they tried to make the asari "on their image". By being able to sense, pass on, or acquire traits simply through physical bonding. Although sexual act might also be used to do so.

And what part of our bodies... or any living creatures body assimilates and stores information?. The brain with its extension being the central nervous system.. The Asari are closer to computers in that regard. They need only read your files and combine data according, although not concisouly to create a new "file".

Mmk.  A VI programmed to "read" genes (and most medical records seem to include genetic background by ME3) could likely do the same for Shepard and Garrus.  "Read" the genes from both parents, and use it to essentially create DNA for a child, Miranda-style.

Thanks for the clarification 

[Moirin]

Niostang wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

afterimagesof wrote...
The "I'm game." part was real. The part about biology not cooperating I'll chalk up to femShep being unaware of the stunning power of fanfiction. At least that's how it's going in my head. You two want babies? We'll find you a way to have babies.

The asari reproduce by using the genetic markers of the "father" species to randomize their offsprings' DNA.  Theoretically, FemShep and Garrus could do the same thing, use some kind of medical VI interface to randomize Shepard's DNA using Garrus's genetic markers.  The daughter would still be 100% human, a child Shepard could carry safely to term, but with some biological influence from Garrus. 

<science speculation>

I've never figured how how exactly the asari method of reproduction would work scientifically, but I imagine it'd be something like this: humans carry multiple alleles for specific traits (genotype) but only manifest some of them physically (phenotype).  For example, dark hair is dominant over blonde hair, but an individual could carry alleles for both.  I think using Garrus's DNA as a genetic "map" for Shepard's offspring would result in different alleles expressing themselves.  If Shepard had alleles for both light eyes and dark eyes, but Garrus expresses light eyes, their daughter would express the alleles for light eyes following Garrus's genetic markers.

That being said, I'm a neuroscience person, not general biology, so if any of you are biology folks, I'd welcome some input on this theory of mine.

</science speculation>

This is a heartachingly beautiful idea. Seconding request for someone with the appropriate knowledge background to weigh in.

Well, I've taken some genetics classes, nothing too advanced though.  I suppose it could be possible if you could pick out the and find the genes of Garrus that are similar enough to a human's. My biggest concern would be if he's supposed to be an avian spieces that the birds genetics are pretty different form a humans if I recall right. Even the cromosomes that specify what makes a male or what makes a female I think are (if I remember right) switched.

But I supposed if it can work for the Asari, and with the much more advanced knowledge of genetics in the Mass Effect universe it might be possible? The fans would need to know a lot more about the Turian genetic structure to really make an educated guess though.

So, anything short of asking Mordin, I don't think we could ever truely know for sure.

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
Or we could just call SPACE MAGIC and stop thinking about this so hard [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]

I like this idea. Probably te easiest way to go about it.

afterimagesof wrote...

Turians are viviparous (live birth).

Really?Just curious but how do you know that for sure?

Modifié par Spiralbutterfly, 10 avril 2012 - 03:13 .

[Spartas Husky]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...
Knowledge. Remember the alegory of them to the Gethenians. Their species are based on the acquisition and the hording of the knowledge. Traits, genetics can be passed through simply touch.

This also is alluded when Javik first makes contact with you, and when he touches the asari captain. he can "sense" her genes, her ancestry simply by touch. And given their manipulation of Asari biology it is safe to say they tried to make the asari "on their image". By being able to sense, pass on, or acquire traits simply through physical bonding. Although sexual act might also be used to do so.

And what part of our bodies... or any living creatures body assimilates and stores information?. The brain with its extension being the central nervous system.. The Asari are closer to computers in that regard. They need only read your files and combine data according, although not concisouly to create a new "file".

Mmk.  A VI programmed to "read" genes (and most medical records seem to include genetic background by ME3) could likely do the same for Shepard and Garrus.  "Read" the genes from both parents, and use it to essentially create DNA for a child, Miranda-style.

Thanks for the clarification 

Well it depends. Apparently the Asari subconsiouly can interpret genetic information. How it is done is comepletely sci fi. but If a VI had a full diagram of the genome of both species and figures garrus has

"a, b, c traits"
a being loyal
b solitary
c progressive attitude

to name a few


it could find the exact traits that are similar to garrus in human biology. However the question then is... can a computer do what the asari can? or would a third party be needed to avoid complication like the ones Miranda has. Mainly being infertile. That we do not know.

Given that the only ones until now that have information on cross species reproduction are the asari.

Had the codex simply said "VI's assited with genetic background of partners could from different species have children" would be easy to surmise. Because it was never alluded to... we simply do not know.

If the asari can do it... I imagine eventually procedures would be in place to allow other species to do the same.
Cross specie relations are rare.
Human/Turian obviously
Human/Asari Obviousl
Asari/turian/hanar/krogan/elcor/salarians
Human/salarians

Human quarian... although given their problem, I doubt genetic research aside improve defenses had been done in the mass effect land.

[outmane]

I must be the only one who doesnt want mutant babies. The idea of it is a bit immersion-breaking. I know Shepard was resurected and all, but once you can do anything with space-magic (i meant medical technology), it renders the limits of a created universe pointless.

Sure my Shepard would like kids but she accepted that being with Garrus meant they would have to be adopted. It gives a bit more depth to her choice and what it means to be in an interspecies relationship.

You guys send me some war orphans if you dont want to keep them ;P

[Spartas Husky]

Spiralbutterfly wrote...

Niostang wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

afterimagesof wrote...
The "I'm game." part was real. The part about biology not cooperating I'll chalk up to femShep being unaware of the stunning power of fanfiction. At least that's how it's going in my head. You two want babies? We'll find you a way to have babies.

The asari reproduce by using the genetic markers of the "father" species to randomize their offsprings' DNA.  Theoretically, FemShep and Garrus could do the same thing, use some kind of medical VI interface to randomize Shepard's DNA using Garrus's genetic markers.  The daughter would still be 100% human, a child Shepard could carry safely to term, but with some biological influence from Garrus. 

<science speculation>

I've never figured how how exactly the asari method of reproduction would work scientifically, but I imagine it'd be something like this: humans carry multiple alleles for specific traits (genotype) but only manifest some of them physically (phenotype).  For example, dark hair is dominant over blonde hair, but an individual could carry alleles for both.  I think using Garrus's DNA as a genetic "map" for Shepard's offspring would result in different alleles expressing themselves.  If Shepard had alleles for both light eyes and dark eyes, but Garrus expresses light eyes, their daughter would express the alleles for light eyes following Garrus's genetic markers.

That being said, I'm a neuroscience person, not general biology, so if any of you are biology folks, I'd welcome some input on this theory of mine.

</science speculation>

This is a heartachingly beautiful idea. Seconding request for someone with the appropriate knowledge background to weigh in.

Well, I've taken some genetics classes, nothing too advanced though.  I suppose it could be possible if you could pick out the and find the genes of Garrus that are similar enough to a human's. My biggest concern would be if he's supposed to be an avian spieces that the birds genetics are pretty different form a humans if I recall right. Even the cromosomes that specify what makes a male or what makes a female I think are (if I remember right) switched.

But I supposed if it can work for the Asari, and with the much more advanced knowledge of genetics in the Mass Effect universe it might be possible? The fans would need to know a lot more about the Turian genetic structure to really make an educated guess though.

So, anything short of asking Mordin, I don't think we could ever truely know for sure.

afterimagesof wrote...

Turians are viviparous (live birth).

Really?Just curious but how do you know that for sure?

Wikipedia.

 Turians are Viviparous....


Check the last page on the Gethenians if you haven't. I imagine the guy who wrote the asari had to have read that book.

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 10 avril 2012 - 03:14 .

[Spartas Husky]

outmane wrote...

I must be the only one who doesnt want mutant babies. The idea of it is a bit immersion-breaking. I know Shepard was resurected and all, but once you can do anything with space-magic (i meant medical technology), it renders the limits of a created universe pointless.

Sure my Shepard would like kids but she accepted that being with Garrus meant they would have to be adopted. It gives a bit more depth to her choice and what it means to be in an interspecies relationship.

You guys send me some war orphans if you dont want to keep them ;P

I dont think people want mutant babies, I think they want to share traits. Not necessarily half breeds.

As it was mentioned before. Not half human half turian for super hurian. But a human baby sharing garrus traits.

[outmane]

[quote]Spiralbutterfly wrote...

[quote]Niostang wrote...


[quote]afterimagesof wrote...

Turians are viviparous (live birth).

[/quote]

Really?Just curious but how do you know that for sure?

[/quote]

Someone asked the devs about it and they answered. Its somewhere in the ME2 thread, tho I dont think i could find it again.

[Moirin]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Wikipedia.

 Turians are Viviparous....

Oh look at that, I've read that page a bunch of times. I'm kinda embarrassed that I missed that part.

[Spartas Husky]

Spiralbutterfly wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Wikipedia.

 Turians are Viviparous....

Oh look at that, I've read that page a bunch of times. I'm kinda embarrassed that I missed that part.

lol I just asked the same question 20 minutes ago... I was like. is right there at the beginning why didn't I see that.

[outmane]

Spartas Husky wrote...

outmane wrote...

I must be the only one who doesnt want mutant babies. The idea of it is a bit immersion-breaking. I know Shepard was resurected and all, but once you can do anything with space-magic (i meant medical technology), it renders the limits of a created universe pointless.

Sure my Shepard would like kids but she accepted that being with Garrus meant they would have to be adopted. It gives a bit more depth to her choice and what it means to be in an interspecies relationship.

You guys send me some war orphans if you dont want to keep them ;P

I dont think people want mutant babies, I think they want to share traits. Not necessarily half breeds.

As it was mentioned before. Not half human half turian for super hurian. But a human baby sharing garrus traits.

Sorry, I shouldnt have used 'mutant'. I have no clue how to name the 'split-DNA' procedure we were talking about tho. 

I have nothing against the sentiment either . Its only 'human' to want kids that take from their parents. But Ill take my chance with 'nurture' isntead of 'nature' is more what i meant . Any kid raised by Shep and Garrus is gonna kick some ass 

[Karrie788]

outmane wrote...

I must be the only one who doesnt want mutant babies. The idea of it is a bit immersion-breaking. I know Shepard was resurected and all, but once you can do anything with space-magic (i meant medical technology), it renders the limits of a created universe pointless.

Sure my Shepard would like kids but she accepted that being with Garrus meant they would have to be adopted. It gives a bit more depth to her choice and what it means to be in an interspecies relationship.

You guys send me some war orphans if you dont want to keep them ;P

No, I'm with you. For me it would be taking a step too far. It would be like if some big device shot a green beam throughout the entire galaxy and magically transformed everyone into half-robots. Space magic at its finest. Oh wait...

In all seriousness, I'm all for adoption too, it's just as meaningful IMO. And I don't think my Shep would be that eager to go through nine months of pregnancy anyway

[Spartas Husky]

outmane wrote...
 I have no clue how to name the 'split-DNA' procedure we were talking about tho. 

Basically what we were speaking off, the a synthethic, equivalent of the asari reproduction process. But given that turians nor humans have their biology. Instead a VI artificially fertilizing an egg, and choosing human traits that mimic that of garrus. hence the baby stays human but from the pool of qualities although he isn't related by blood, the traits are mimicing garrus.

Karrie788 wrote...

In all seriousness, I'm all for
adoption too, it's just as meaningful IMO. And I don't think my Shep
would be that eager to go through nine months of pregnancy anyway

same here, Ir ead a fem shep story about her finding a baby boy turian in horizon... it struck me. In my head is the opposite. little female turian baby. But liara found it. Liara is my LI, you get how it goes. Garrus and Me are her dad's. I'm all for daughters so that was my personal spin off. Turian babies are so damn ****ing cute

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 10 avril 2012 - 03:30 .

[Meatus]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Also, just found this:

Thank youuuuuuu! This is my background on like everything now. 

I'm trying to think of it as after Shepard wakes up in the rubble, and she's just... resting her eyes, hahaha. Or I'm just in denial! Either way, I feel like this very scene should be in the "Extended Cut" DLC if Garrus was your LI, and you didn't pick Destroy. Or if Shep dies for any reason, really. Sigh. <3

[outmane]

Spartas Husky wrote...

outmane wrote...
 I have no clue how to name the 'split-DNA' procedure we were talking about tho. 

Basically what we were speaking off, the a synthethic, equivalent of the asari reproduction process. But given that turians nor humans have their biology. Instead a VI artificially fertilizing an egg, and choosing human traits that mimic that of garrus. hence the baby stays human but from the pool of qualities although he isn't related by blood, the traits are imicing garrus.

I got that part.

Just not sure what to call it if not 'mutant'.  I mean its some kind of mutation, jsut not the crazy 'half-breed' type (that would be silly. and ugly).

[outmane]

Karrie788 wrote...

outmane wrote...

I must be the only one who doesnt want mutant babies. The idea of it is a bit immersion-breaking. I know Shepard was resurected and all, but once you can do anything with space-magic (i meant medical technology), it renders the limits of a created universe pointless.

Sure my Shepard would like kids but she accepted that being with Garrus meant they would have to be adopted. It gives a bit more depth to her choice and what it means to be in an interspecies relationship.

You guys send me some war orphans if you dont want to keep them ;P

No, I'm with you. For me it would be taking a step too far. It would be like if some big device shot a green beam throughout the entire galaxy and magically transformed everyone into half-robots. Space magic at its finest. Oh wait...

In all seriousness, I'm all for adoption too, it's just as meaningful IMO. And I don't think my Shep would be that eager to go through nine months of pregnancy anyway

Bwahaha 

(I still choose the green beam for some of my Shepard. I like the Geths too much. Of course if there was no RBG in the first place, we wouldtn be in that situation)

[Karrie788]

outmane wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

outmane wrote...

I must be the only one who doesnt want mutant babies. The idea of it is a bit immersion-breaking. I know Shepard was resurected and all, but once you can do anything with space-magic (i meant medical technology), it renders the limits of a created universe pointless.

Sure my Shepard would like kids but she accepted that being with Garrus meant they would have to be adopted. It gives a bit more depth to her choice and what it means to be in an interspecies relationship.

You guys send me some war orphans if you dont want to keep them ;P

No, I'm with you. For me it would be taking a step too far. It would be like if some big device shot a green beam throughout the entire galaxy and magically transformed everyone into half-robots. Space magic at its finest. Oh wait...

In all seriousness, I'm all for adoption too, it's just as meaningful IMO. And I don't think my Shep would be that eager to go through nine months of pregnancy anyway

Bwahaha 

(I still choose the green beam for some of my Shepard. I like the Geths too much. Of course if there was no RBG in the first place, we wouldtn be in that situation)

I might too, with Jane (Shenko playthrough). She's all about sacrificing herself for the greater good. I personally think Synthesis is pure evil but the way I roleplayed her, it makes sense for her not to sacrifice the Geth.

But that would be mean going through the ending for the fourth time, so I'll delay until the DLC.