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Only problem with the genetically engineered turian/human baby idea is that the creation of 'hybrids' is illegal in alliance space according to the codex and while it doesn't say it explicitly it sounds like it's illegal in council space as well. Though shep is a spectre and saviour of the galaxy so maybe they'd let this one slide.

I thought genetic engineering itself was illegal, I don't think there's any evidence that hybrids are even possible.

I just hate the thought of hybrid babies. There's no reason for it when they can just artificially inseminate, clone, or adopt. There's no way to know how the child will develop or if it'll have any health problems down the road (I doubt screening is 100% for a frankenstein baby), and s/he'll be scrutinized by the rest of the galaxy for being a freak of nature and eventually resent his/her parents for it.


No according to the codex genetic engineering is legal and common amongst humans, all alliance soldiers undergo heavy genetic modification to eradicate any weaknesses such as shortsightedness etc. It was only after humanity became part of citadel space that genetic modification became heavily restricted to preserve humanity's genetic diversity. Basically a human could modify anything that is unique or original to their species but they can’t add any abilities or qualities unique to other species. So a human couldn’t for instance modify themselves to be able to eat the same food as dextro based lifeforms or modify themselves to have longer lifespans. 

As for the ability to actually create hybrids, it must be possible in the ME universe otherwise they wouldn’t have a law against the creation of them. Have to say though, like you I don’t like the idea of a turian/human hybrid baby. Adoption would definitely be the way my femshep would go, though that I think is more to do with her upbringing than differences in biology.

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FFZero wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...



FFZero wrote...

Only problem with the genetically engineered turian/human baby idea is that the creation of 'hybrids' is illegal in alliance space according to the codex and while it doesn't say it explicitly it sounds like it's illegal in council space as well. Though shep is a spectre and saviour of the galaxy so maybe they'd let this one slide.

I thought genetic engineering itself was illegal, I don't think there's any evidence that hybrids are even possible.

I just hate the thought of hybrid babies. There's no reason for it when they can just artificially inseminate, clone, or adopt. There's no way to know how the child will develop or if it'll have any health problems down the road (I doubt screening is 100% for a frankenstein baby), and s/he'll be scrutinized by the rest of the galaxy for being a freak of nature and eventually resent his/her parents for it.


No according to the codex genetic engineering is legal and common amongst humans, all alliance soldiers undergo heavy genetic modification to eradicate any weaknesses such as shortsightedness etc. It was only after humanity became part of citadel space that genetic modification became heavily restricted to preserve humanity's genetic diversity. Basically a human could modify anything that is unique or original to their species but they can’t add any abilities or qualities unique to other species. So a human couldn’t for instance modify themselves to be able to eat the same food as dextro based lifeforms or modify themselves to have longer lifespans. 

As for the ability to actually create hybrids, it must be possible in the ME universe otherwise they wouldn’t have a law against the creation of them. Have to say though, like you I don’t like the idea of a turian/human hybrid baby. Adoption would definitely be the way my femshep would go, though that I think is more to do with her upbringing than differences in biology.



no need for enegineering. Why you'd wantt to change that small ass thing. So damn cute.

Still reminds me of a cat :P
Screw human babies. That baby is better. lol I still think it has a mask of sorts :P
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So cute :3 

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lol awesome

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No one ever draws Garrus holding a human baby, but lots with FemShep holding a turian baby.... wonder why?

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I feel like they should have addressed her issues with aliens though, I was hoping after two years she would have become more open-minded (especially now that she's a Spectre), but it never even came up. So disappointing. :(


I know right? Plus I was DYING to hear what she had  to say about the relationship with garrus.In fact there were several people who I wanted to comment on it

Wrex (like he WOULDN'T make fun of them for that! I mean he knew about liara being a shadowbroker)
Joker (he makes comments about everything else!)
Ashley (There should have been a "Catching up with ash" conversation on the Normandy. It would have been funny if ash asked her if the gossip about garrus was true)                                   

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So cute :3 


OMG I want that! :P That will be my head canon.

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Sialater wrote...

No one ever draws Garrus holding a human baby, but lots with FemShep holding a turian baby.... wonder why?

Well human babies are nothing new, turian babies on the other hand is what those awesome hipster people in the Garrus fan thread talks about all the time. That said, a picture of Garrus holding a human baby would be awesome.

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Argraharg wrote...

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No one ever draws Garrus holding a human baby, but lots with FemShep holding a turian baby.... wonder why?

Well human babies are nothing new, turian babies on the other hand is what those awesome hipster people in the Garrus fan thread talks about all the time. That said, a picture of Garrus holding a human baby would be awesome.


Right.  Which is why I wondered.  ~keeps image of Garrus holding a baby with Meghan's blonde curls to herself~

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Stamina Rose wrote...

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So cute :3 


OMG I want that! :P That will be my head canon.


I like the other turian baby. This one looks too human. Too chunky. The other Looks closer to the turian species. Then again babies are to be chunky. But me no likey.


Besides why is it always the human female doing it?. hence why I like the color picture of garrus holding the babe.

but this one might be better.

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I think the VS's presence was justified in the squad. Besides, he/she only appears about half into the game, and was barely present in ME2... it's a good thing they brought him/her back.

That being said, I don't like Ash in ME3. I dunno, she lost her... fire. She barely says anything, apart from the drunk scene, which was more pathetic than funny in my eyes (unlike Tali). Plus there's that trust issue with Cerberus that she should definitely get over with. It's funny, because this time I didn't mind Kaidan this much. His friendship path was nice. I have to try the romance soon.

And I liked James. But I would have liked a hanar squadmate.

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Karrie788 wrote...

I think the VS's presence was justified in the squad. Besides, he/she only appears about half into the game, and was barely present in ME2... it's a good thing they brought him/her back.

That being said, I don't like Ash in ME3. I dunno, she lost her... fire. She barely says anything, apart from the drunk scene, which was more pathetic than funny in my eyes (unlike Tali). Plus there's that trust issue with Cerberus that she should definitely get over with. It's funny, because this time I didn't mind Kaidan this much. His friendship path was nice. I have to try the romance soon.

And I liked James. But I would have liked a hanar squadmate.


The romance is wonderful.  But then... I'm involved in a stupid love triangle. :lol:

As badly as they butchered Ashley, I never have to feel like I must save her on Virmire ever again.  I can stop feeling guilty for always saving Kaidan.  :whistle:

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Ash, Kaidan, Miranda, James... I'm tired of all these human squadmates, give me more turians. Especialy if they are romanceable and female.

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Sialater wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

I think the VS's presence was justified in the squad. Besides, he/she only appears about half into the game, and was barely present in ME2... it's a good thing they brought him/her back.

That being said, I don't like Ash in ME3. I dunno, she lost her... fire. She barely says anything, apart from the drunk scene, which was more pathetic than funny in my eyes (unlike Tali). Plus there's that trust issue with Cerberus that she should definitely get over with. It's funny, because this time I didn't mind Kaidan this much. His friendship path was nice. I have to try the romance soon.

And I liked James. But I would have liked a hanar squadmate.


The romance is wonderful.  But then... I'm involved in a stupid love triangle. :lol:

As badly as they butchered Ashley, I never have to feel like I must save her on Virmire ever again.  I can stop feeling guilty for always saving Kaidan.  :whistle:


Easy for you to say. Even after getting her butchered I still can't get a woman killed... I believe me I really dont like Ashley.

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Sialater wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

I think the VS's presence was justified in the squad. Besides, he/she only appears about half into the game, and was barely present in ME2... it's a good thing they brought him/her back.

That being said, I don't like Ash in ME3. I dunno, she lost her... fire. She barely says anything, apart from the drunk scene, which was more pathetic than funny in my eyes (unlike Tali). Plus there's that trust issue with Cerberus that she should definitely get over with. It's funny, because this time I didn't mind Kaidan this much. His friendship path was nice. I have to try the romance soon.

And I liked James. But I would have liked a hanar squadmate.


The romance is wonderful.  But then... I'm involved in a stupid love triangle. :lol:

As badly as they butchered Ashley, I never have to feel like I must save her on Virmire ever again.  I can stop feeling guilty for always saving Kaidan.  :whistle:

He confessed his feelings for Shep at the Appolo's Café. She answered that these were difficult times. And ran off with Garrus five minutes later.

Oh, Lexane, you little...

I loved Ashley in ME1. I was heartbroken in ME3 when she turned out to be dull (and that new look... ugh.)

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Spartas Husky wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

I think the VS's presence was justified in the squad. Besides, he/she only appears about half into the game, and was barely present in ME2... it's a good thing they brought him/her back.

That being said, I don't like Ash in ME3. I dunno, she lost her... fire. She barely says anything, apart from the drunk scene, which was more pathetic than funny in my eyes (unlike Tali). Plus there's that trust issue with Cerberus that she should definitely get over with. It's funny, because this time I didn't mind Kaidan this much. His friendship path was nice. I have to try the romance soon.

And I liked James. But I would have liked a hanar squadmate.


The romance is wonderful.  But then... I'm involved in a stupid love triangle. :lol:

As badly as they butchered Ashley, I never have to feel like I must save her on Virmire ever again.  I can stop feeling guilty for always saving Kaidan.  :whistle:


Easy for you to say. Even after getting her butchered I still can't get a woman killed... I believe me I really dont like Ashley.


Sexist.  :innocent::D:lol:

Seriously, stick Kaidan with the bomb and you've got justification for going back and getting him.  Since you don't really know if Kirrahe's right and the bomb can't be jacked with.  And Ashley with the bomb never makes sense to me.

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Easy for you to say. Even after getting her butchered I still can't get a woman killed... I believe me I really dont like Ashley.

Honestly, you help her if you kill her off.:mellow:

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Karrie788 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

I think the VS's presence was justified in the squad. Besides, he/she only appears about half into the game, and was barely present in ME2... it's a good thing they brought him/her back.

That being said, I don't like Ash in ME3. I dunno, she lost her... fire. She barely says anything, apart from the drunk scene, which was more pathetic than funny in my eyes (unlike Tali). Plus there's that trust issue with Cerberus that she should definitely get over with. It's funny, because this time I didn't mind Kaidan this much. His friendship path was nice. I have to try the romance soon.

And I liked James. But I would have liked a hanar squadmate.


The romance is wonderful.  But then... I'm involved in a stupid love triangle. :lol:

As badly as they butchered Ashley, I never have to feel like I must save her on Virmire ever again.  I can stop feeling guilty for always saving Kaidan.  :whistle:

He confessed his feelings for Shep at the Appolo's Café. She answered that these were difficult times. And ran off with Garrus five minutes later.

Oh, Lexane, you little...

I loved Ashley in ME1. I was heartbroken in ME3 when she turned out to be dull (and that new look... ugh.)


I have only one "cheating" Shepard.  I have one "always faithful" (Avery), one that was saving herself for the end of the war (Rachel -- she gets the "new Kaidanmance"), and then one who's all for Garrus.  (Meghan's the "cheater" and "the all for Garrus" -- reflects both fics she's in.)

Apparently, if you have the Citadel scene with Garrus before Kaidan's cafe scene, you can avoid all sorts of awkwardness.

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I just watched the Tali/ Garrus flirting scenes in the engineering room. It was really sweet. Of course Garrus is mine ... uh Shepards. *cough*

But still really sweet.

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Karrie788 wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Easy for you to say. Even after getting her butchered I still can't get a woman killed... I believe me I really dont like Ashley.

Honestly, you help her if you kill her off.:mellow:


Yeah, she goes out in a blaze of glory and gets medals from three different species governments.  I like Ashley, too, and I don't think she's racist, but I hate what they turned her into.

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Sialater wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

I think the VS's presence was justified in the squad. Besides, he/she only appears about half into the game, and was barely present in ME2... it's a good thing they brought him/her back.

That being said, I don't like Ash in ME3. I dunno, she lost her... fire. She barely says anything, apart from the drunk scene, which was more pathetic than funny in my eyes (unlike Tali). Plus there's that trust issue with Cerberus that she should definitely get over with. It's funny, because this time I didn't mind Kaidan this much. His friendship path was nice. I have to try the romance soon.

And I liked James. But I would have liked a hanar squadmate.


The romance is wonderful.  But then... I'm involved in a stupid love triangle. :lol:

As badly as they butchered Ashley, I never have to feel like I must save her on Virmire ever again.  I can stop feeling guilty for always saving Kaidan.  :whistle:


Easy for you to say. Even after getting her butchered I still can't get a woman killed... I believe me I really dont like Ashley.


Sexist.  :innocent::D:lol:

Seriously, stick Kaidan with the bomb and you've got justification for going back and getting him.  Since you don't really know if Kirrahe's right and the bomb can't be jacked with.  And Ashley with the bomb never makes sense to me.


Can't help it. And I know Kaiden is the right choice to every left brain cell that governs my way of life.

Kaiden is The highest Ranking Officer
Kaiden is the most rounded soldier
Kaiden is the most...balanced mentaly or at least I thought.

Still no use.

Good thing Kaiden is Dead that way his image of balance minded biotic dude isn't damanged.

And Ashley can go work for Hacket, your flimsy disruptor ammo with a 18 sec marksman recharge aren't wanted. w/e I've taken Miranda anyday.


Regardless of which. Garrus plus Other is always my squad. His always got our back. Male or Female!

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Sialater wrote...

I have only one "cheating" Shepard.  I have one "always faithful" (Avery), one that was saving herself for the end of the war (Rachel -- she gets the "new Kaidanmance"), and then one who's all for Garrus.  (Meghan's the "cheater" and "the all for Garrus" -- reflects both fics she's in.)

Apparently, if you have the Citadel scene with Garrus before Kaidan's cafe scene, you can avoid all sorts of awkwardness.


Oh I knew that, but love triangles are too fun to pass up. I was a little disappointed Shep didn't mention Garrus at all, because that's basically the reason she said no to Kaidan. That and the fact that he said she cheated on him. (insert Ross' "WE WERE ON BREAK!" here) Difficult times... that never stopped you before, Shep.

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Karrie788 wrote...

I think the VS's presence was justified in the squad. Besides, he/she only appears about half into the game, and was barely present in ME2... it's a good thing they brought him/her back.

That being said, I don't like Ash in ME3. I dunno, she lost her... fire. She barely says anything, apart from the drunk scene, which was more pathetic than funny in my eyes (unlike Tali). Plus there's that trust issue with Cerberus that she should definitely get over with. It's funny, because this time I didn't mind Kaidan this much. His friendship path was nice. I have to try the romance soon.

And I liked James. But I would have liked a hanar squadmate.

Ash in ME3 is just so... cold. She keeps regs between her and FemShep, hides out away from the rest of the crew, doesn't even have personal moments unless they're about Shepard helping her with her problems, which makes it feel like she just needs the advice of a mentor/superior, it never feels like Shepard is her friend. It just makes me so sad. I thought they'd be closer after all they went through together. She doesn't even call me Skipper anymore. :(

I really wanted her to mention the Garrus thing. In my head that conversation had a callback to the 'kissing turians' line and it would have been brilliant. :<

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Sorry to be boring and nagging about rules but too much talk about off topic things like in this case Ashley (who sadly isn't a turian) might make some moderator shut down a thread.

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Argraharg wrote...

Sorry to be boring and nagging about rules but too much talk about off topic things like in this case Ashley (who sadly isn't a turian) might make some moderator shut down a thread.


We are comparing how... if your male. Ashley fails to follow the original Cover team loyalty to Shep. And she breaks yer heart.

If your female... well same thing just without the broken heart.

Either way is a comparison to Garrus  The awesome sniper:P
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