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Argraharg wrote...

Am I the only one who wanted Thane to die because I like him? The fact that he is a man with little time left but still fights on is part of what makes him a cool guy. Garrus on the other hand is one of the few real friends Shepard have so his death would be a bit too cruel perhaps, especialy as I already had to kill Mordin and Wrex...


Nah, you're not the only one. Thane was set up as a tragic character from the beginning. I expected he would die and was relieved that instead of dying off screen between games he got to wrap up his storyline. Having him die with Kolyat present and obviously concerned and after thwarting someone else's assassination attempt was perfect for him. Having him suddenly cured would have frustrated me as much as having him die without a word. He repeatedly outlived his life expectancy already. A completely happy ending for him would have felt sort of cheap.

I must admit, however, that I'm not generally satisfied with fully "happy" endings and need there to be some loss or downside for me to buy it. Give me ending options and I'll usually settle on one of the slightly worse but still hopeful ones as my canon ending. I get that a lot of people would rather have the "best" ending, though.

I just wish someone besides Shep and Kolyat acknowledged that Thane died instead of focusing on the VS returning/not returning/dying. That still bothers me.

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Periph wrote...

Argraharg wrote...

Am I the only one who wanted Thane to die because I like him? The fact that he is a man with little time left but still fights on is part of what makes him a cool guy. Garrus on the other hand is one of the few real friends Shepard have so his death would be a bit too cruel perhaps, especialy as I already had to kill Mordin and Wrex...


Nah, you're not the only one. Thane was set up as a tragic character from the beginning. I expected he would die and was relieved that instead of dying off screen between games he got to wrap up his storyline. Having him die with Kolyat present and obviously concerned and after thwarting someone else's assassination attempt was perfect for him. Having him suddenly cured would have frustrated me as much as having him die without a word. He repeatedly outlived his life expectancy already. A completely happy ending for him would have felt sort of cheap.


I also agree on Thane's death. I found it to be pretty fitting, for all the reasons posted above, but I can also understand why people would not "enjoy" it / like more time with him. Also, on the Virmire 2.0 scenario that was mentionned, please, nobody ever force me to choose between Tali and Garrus. :crying:

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I thought Thane's death was good in that it wasn't a terrible illness that killed him.

But if it had been Garrus and he'd had a heroic death I'd have been screaming at the screen.

And Jacob. That was just really harsh. Yeah thats a great story if you didn't romance him. But if you did. Owch.

I'm glad Garrus is my main LI. Otherwise it would have hurt!

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I think the writers treated most LIs rather well, especialy Garrus. Well not Jacob, but then again the writers seems to hate him. Poor Jacob, he deserved better but with all the stories that had to be ended in a somewhat logical way I can allow a few being better than others. It was probably very wise of of BioWare to treat Tali and Garrus better than Jacob. There are many of us dextromancers. I fail at being a hipster so hard as my main Shepards dates the fan favourite team dextro.

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BalooTheBear wrote...

I thought Thane's death was good in that it wasn't a terrible illness that killed him.

But if it had been Garrus and he'd had a heroic death I'd have been screaming at the screen.

And Jacob. That was just really harsh. Yeah thats a great story if you didn't romance him. But if you did. Owch.

I'm glad Garrus is my main LI. Otherwise it would have hurt!


I wouldn't be just screaming, I would've attacked the Bioware HQ!

But as Thanemancer, I was very unsatisfied at how he met his end. With my Garrus romance run, it was okey on that play, I saw it fitting. But I can now never import my Thane romancing Sheps as there's practically nothing for them. Just a few lines and a very unemotional death scene and no one acknowledging the whole relationship nor his death.:unsure:

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I come back to the thread and you're talking about Thane. Makes me want to turn around :P

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Bluumberry wrote...

I come back to the thread and you're talking about Thane. Makes me want to turn around :P

Yeah, we should stay on topic: Garrus is awesome.

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Garrus is the most awesome. And he knows it.

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Found this via google, don't really know who made it but kudos to the artist!

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Sable Rhapsody wrote...

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Yeah. I feel like a total perv now, but happy to educate the newbies on Garrus/Mass Effect pron. 


LOL.  Same here.  I've just about seen it all at this point [...]

Believe me, your hard work is appreciated ;)
But I think I agree with Karrie788 - curiosity is good, but sometimes a little common sense regarding one's personal tastes is the more reasonable way. Call me coward, if you want, but I'll just stick to the K-T rated fictions, with the occasional self-censored M-rated stray in between.

Back to topic: Of course, Garrus is awesome :)

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Seleya_LL wrote...
Believe me, your hard work is appreciated ;)
But I think I agree with Karrie788 - curiosity is good, but sometimes a little common sense regarding one's personal tastes is the more reasonable way. Call me coward, if you want, but I'll just stick to the K-T rated fictions, with the occasional self-censored M-rated stray in between.

Back to topic: Of course, Garrus is awesome :)


I never look at a rating when I pick what to read. If it's a fandom that is not overly full I just pick based on the summary. If it's a fuller fandom (HP for example) I go first by review count and then summary. The only time I look at the rating is after I'm done reading usually.  Doing it this way has made me start liking a few things in fandom I otherwise would never have even thought of, nevermind enjoyed reading about.

In Garrus/Shep fiction personally I do prefer the non M rated stories simply because most of the sex scenes are not how I would picture it actually happening.

Which is another reason I'm happy the game showed us an emotional scene instead of some weird looking underwear on sex scene like others wish.

(Edit: I hate how M rated these days equals sex though. I've had nightmares the few times I stumbled upon a gory scene the author wrote that wasn't marked at all.)

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LOL.  Same here.  I've just about seen it all at this point, though IMHO the Harry Potter fandom's pron was a lot scarier than Mass Effect could ever be.  I will never look at the giant squid the same way again.


Even after spending hours reading human-alien smut I find it hysterical that I have no trouble believing you on this point.

To whoever linked Sound of the Clarion, I salute you. That is some solid AU fic. I'm especially appreciative of the depiction of Turian society.

P.S. Umpteenth Round of Citadel Elevator Banter - Garrus vs Tali. Omgggg Garrus you started out as such a tool I am astounded.

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Niostang wrote...

Even after spending hours reading human-alien smut I find it hysterical that I have no trouble believing you on this point.

To whoever linked Sound of the Clarion, I salute you. That is some solid AU fic. I'm especially appreciative of the depiction of Turian society.

P.S. Umpteenth Round of Citadel Elevator Banter - Garrus vs Tali. Omgggg Garrus you started out as such a tool I am astounded.

You know, I love Garrus, even in ME1 (in a "OMG he's adorable" kinda way) but this honestly makes me wonder why he got so much love in the first place. Same with Tali. I mean, she never shuts up about quarians. Ash got a lot of hate for her supposed "racism", and yet when Garrus insults Tali's or Wrex's people or says humanity doesn't know what making sacrifices means nobody says anything?

Again, I love team dextro to death, but I'm curious as to what sparked the love before ME2 and 3 came out.

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Karrie788 wrote...

Niostang wrote...

Even after spending hours reading human-alien smut I find it hysterical that I have no trouble believing you on this point.

To whoever linked Sound of the Clarion, I salute you. That is some solid AU fic. I'm especially appreciative of the depiction of Turian society.

P.S. Umpteenth Round of Citadel Elevator Banter - Garrus vs Tali. Omgggg Garrus you started out as such a tool I am astounded.

You know, I love Garrus, even in ME1 (in a "OMG he's adorable" kinda way) but this honestly makes me wonder why he got so much love in the first place. Same with Tali. I mean, she never shuts up about quarians. Ash got a lot of hate for her supposed "racism", and yet when Garrus insults Tali's or Wrex's people or says humanity doesn't know what making sacrifices means nobody says anything?

Again, I love team dextro to death, but I'm curious as to what sparked the love before ME2 and 3 came out.


I think it has to do with them being aliens more than anything else but I might be wrong.

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I just saw this... this is fatally adorable...<3

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Karrie788 wrote...

Niostang wrote...

Even after spending hours reading human-alien smut I find it hysterical that I have no trouble believing you on this point.

To whoever linked Sound of the Clarion, I salute you. That is some solid AU fic. I'm especially appreciative of the depiction of Turian society.

P.S. Umpteenth Round of Citadel Elevator Banter - Garrus vs Tali. Omgggg Garrus you started out as such a tool I am astounded.

You know, I love Garrus, even in ME1 (in a "OMG he's adorable" kinda way) but this honestly makes me wonder why he got so much love in the first place. Same with Tali. I mean, she never shuts up about quarians. Ash got a lot of hate for her supposed "racism", and yet when Garrus insults Tali's or Wrex's people or says humanity doesn't know what making sacrifices means nobody says anything?

Again, I love team dextro to death, but I'm curious as to what sparked the love before ME2 and 3 came out.

Maybe it's because Garrus you can tell he has good intentions, and he ended up changing towards the end? He's affected by what Shep tells him in the first one, and when he does disagree with you he at least tries to see it your way first. I remember having issues with a lot of stuff that sprouted from his lips in the first game. When you first get his side mission in ME1, he tells you that he wanted to shoot Saleon's ship while he was still close to the Citadel, which would have killed a lot of innocents on the Citadel (and most definitely the innocent hostages), and he said they were "dead anyway" (which he was wrong about). That really got to me when I was playing ME1 and actually made me wonder about liking him, but then at the end of the assignment, he listens to your Shep's reasoning and he seems to understand. When he said "If the people I'm sworn to protect can't trust me, I don't deserve to be the one protecting them" back on the Normandy, I knew it was all good. And even though I never encourage him to be more renegade, he still listens and sticks to renegade Sheps too. Though I suppose there wouldn't be a problem about what he says in the first game. ^_^ His comic relief probably also helped. :lol:

I know that was more about paragon/renegade reasoning, but encouraging him to be more paragon seemed to be connected to his tolerance somehow. I guess because they say that paragon is about building bridges abd bonds. But by the time I finished his assignment, he stopped making racist remarks in the elevator and seemed to be getting along with everyone.

I think Tali was well recieved because she's sweet. It's true that the only thing she talks about is her people in ME1, but I think she was pretty much the only source of that information in the game, right? I gotta admit that while Tali's info was informative and interesting in my first playthrough, I didn't want to sit through it in later playthroughs. So much talking... So much info that I already knew. lol (Wrex's stories never got old for me though :happy: )  And I actually liked Ash in ME1 because her sarcasm was great and I understood her distrust of aliens, but I think that people expected that she would get over that distrust like Pressly did, but she didn't change as much as people would have liked in that aspect.  For the most part she was fine, but then she'd drop a condescending comment and you'd want to remind her that humanity isn't any better.

Well that's just my guess about that. Didn't mean to type so much. :?

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I just saw this... this is fatally adorable...<3


Can one miss a fictional character? ... I want my happy ending with Garrus. This is so kawaii.... <3

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RogueMumei wrote...
Maybe it's because Garrus you can tell he has good intentions, and he ended up changing towards the end? He's affected by what Shep tells him in the first one, and when he does disagree with you he at least tries to see it your way first. I remember having issues with a lot of stuff that sprouted from his lips in the first game. When you first get his side mission in ME1, he tells you that he wanted to shoot Saleon's ship while he was still close to the Citadel, which would have killed a lot of innocents on the Citadel (and most definitely the innocent hostages), and he said they were "dead anyway" (which he was wrong about). That really got to me when I was playing ME1 and actually made me wonder about liking him, but then at the end of the assignment, he listens to your Shep's reasoning and he seems to understand. When he said "If the people I'm sworn to protect can't trust me, I don't deserve to be the one protecting them" back on the Normandy, I knew it was all good. And even though I never encourage him to be more renegade, he still listens and sticks to renegade Sheps too. Though I suppose there wouldn't be a problem about what he says in the first game. ^_^ His comic relief probably also helped. :lol:

I know that was more about paragon/renegade reasoning, but encouraging him to be more paragon seemed to be connected to his tolerance somehow. I guess because they say that paragon is about building bridges abd bonds. But by the time I finished his assignment, he stopped making racist remarks in the elevator and seemed to be getting along with everyone.

I think Tali was well recieved because she's sweet. It's true that the only thing she talks about is her people in ME1, but I think she was pretty much the only source of that information in the game, right? I gotta admit that while Tali's info was informative and interesting in my first playthrough, I didn't want to sit through it in later playthroughs. So much talking... So much info that I already knew. lol (Wrex's stories never got old for me though :happy: )  And I actually liked Ash in ME1 because her sarcasm was great and I understood her distrust of aliens, but I think that people expected that she would get over that distrust like Pressly did, but she didn't change as much as people would have liked in that aspect.  For the most part she was fine, but then she'd drop a condescending comment and you'd want to remind her that humanity isn't any better.

Well that's just my guess about that. Didn't mean to type so much. :?

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love him in ME1. I enjoyed his character growth and everything. And Tali's just darn adorable. I'm just surprised, looking in retrospect, that they got such a huge fanbase from the first game.  I think them being aliens definitely played a part.
I really started liking them (and by that I mean swooning every time I saw them) in ME2. Maybe that's just me, I'm a latecomer anyway. :lol:

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Karrie788 wrote...
You know, I love Garrus, even in ME1 (in a "OMG he's adorable" kinda way) but this honestly makes me wonder why he got so much love in the first place. Same with Tali. I mean, she never shuts up about quarians. Ash got a lot of hate for her supposed "racism", and yet when Garrus insults Tali's or Wrex's people or says humanity doesn't know what making sacrifices means nobody says anything?

Again, I love team dextro to death, but I'm curious as to what sparked the love before ME2 and 3 came out.


I can only speak for me personally, but it's maybe because Garrus's attitude, like Tali's, seems like something societal rather than personal.  Garrus acts the way he does about quarians and krogan because he just doesn't know better, and once he does, he shapes up.  Same thing goes for Tali and the geth.

He's also a wheeling dealing ball of death in ME1, incredibly useful with badass lines.  What's not to love? :D

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Karrie788 wrote...

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love him in ME1. I enjoyed his character growth and everything. And Tali's just darn adorable. I'm just surprised, looking in retrospect, that they got such a huge fanbase from the first game.  I think them being aliens definitely played a part.
I really started liking them (and by that I mean swooning every time I saw them) in ME2. Maybe that's just me, I'm a latecomer anyway. :lol:


Yeah I also got a late start. I started by playing ME2 on my friends xbox and as soon as Garrus made the quip about Krogan women liking scars I was like "can I romance that guy?!" Then I played ME1 and it was really interesting to see his character development, knowing how he turns out later. 

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Can one miss a fictional character?


IDK about you, but I sure as hell can!
I guess if said fictional character can make you giggle and d'awww like a school girl over shooting bottles and then weep over drinks in the afterlife, you can definitely miss them irl.

I actually think that the thought of Garrus suffering(again) after Morgan's (second)death was damn near as hard to bear as the whole "WTF did I just watch" ending was in general.

Bioware are evil geniuses apparently because I feel kind of silly caring so much, but dammit, I <3 Garrus =/

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Sorry if this topic came up earlier but are you too feeling uncomfortable with Mordin praising Garrus as possible mate to Eve? I hate it when he does it. He knows that Shepard and Garrus had a relationship and surely noticed they still have. I really adore Mordin but I hate that scene - I always wish I could tell him that Garrus is "not available" and not an object to be bargained.

Oh and during the date I always wonder how the grey skycar turns into a red one - color changing sky cars, really nice ;)

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Eliantariel wrote...

Sorry if this topic came up earlier but are you too feeling uncomfortable with Mordin praising Garrus as possible mate to Eve? I hate it when he does it. He knows that Shepard and Garrus had a relationship and surely noticed they still have. I really adore Mordin but I hate that scene - I always wish I could tell him that Garrus is "not available" and not an object to be bargained.

Oh and during the date I always wonder how the grey skycar turns into a red one - color changing sky cars, really nice ;)

It did bother me slightly, but Eve's "For the third time, doctor, I am not interested!" cracked me up so much I forgave it quickly. Plus Eve is so damn awesome. <3
I kinda wish Garrus could have teased Shep a little when he said "you know, apparently krogan females have a thing for scars..."

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It didn't really bother me since it was on the heals of Garrus' convo about "I hope no one is arranging a marriage" in the battery before going to see Eve and Mordin.

And yes, every damn time I see the sky car change colors it bothers me, along with the "smearing" glitched graphics I get during the meat of the date scene where I tell him that the thought of him out there somewhere was the only thing that made leaving earth bearable.

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sylnnn wrote...

It didn't really bother me since it was on the heals of Garrus' convo about "I hope no one is arranging a marriage" in the battery before going to see Eve and Mordin.

And yes, every damn time I see the sky car change colors it bothers me, along with the "smearing" glitched graphics I get during the meat of the date scene where I tell him that the thought of him out there somewhere was the only thing that made leaving earth bearable.

Him stroking Shep's cheek made it completely forgivable for me. <3