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[GarrusV4karian]

Chewin3 wrote...

More Gamescom Garrus never hurts.

Rock n' load, people!

[Homebound]

the butt still clips through his armor gggrrrrrrr ><

[Leonia]

Did they change which arm his omnitool is on?

[Chewin]

From the looks of it, people tend to have two omnitools. This can be seen on Shepard in the E3 trailers.

[Unpleasant Implications]

[Recon Member]

Chewin3 wrote...

From the looks of it, people tend to have two omnitools. This can be seen on Shepard in the E3 trailers.

Got a link for that?

[Chewin]

I'll give you pics instead.

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[Recon Member]

Cool, I see it now. Thx.

[Darameja]

Ok. I think it has been said already and in many places, but I just have to say it again and hope some BioWare people read it. I finished ME2 just yesterday and still feel shaken up by things that happened. lost Samara and Tali...
But what I wanned to say about Garrus. For me Garrus was favorite from ME. Though I did really like romance with Kaiden, his dialogues seemed very well written - he picked up the vibe from FemShep and then he was leading the converdations and he really liked her as female a lot. And the last conversation about how "Even if reapers come the universe will still exsist. But not us, us is important now". It was brilliant. And I really liked his reaction in ME2 and his e-mail - so believable.
In ME2 I got SO surprised and exccited that Archangel was Garrus... It seemed so good seeing an old friend when all just Cerberus is around. And I thought it is really very good romance option - Shepar is doing such big things and she needs support fromk someone she could trust. BUT the dialogues with Garrus, though funny, really did not give that feeling that he cares for her a lot, it just another "option" to get the stress relieved. And the way FemShep approached that.. so blunt. I dunno, it lacked sentiment. I think it was quite clear that it was not female writing the dialogue. I really really hope that the romance with Garrus on ME3 will be something more, that he is not just "blowing off steam with intercourse with other specie" or "trying to get something right" but actually cares for Shepard. Like Thane. I think he is fascinating and his dialogue is perfect. The way he called her.. Seeha. Wonderful. I am still thinking either to persue romance with Thane or still with Garrus, though I think my FemShep would choose Garrus.
And as for Jacob dialogue... that was the worst. I did not feel at all like going for it. It was something like male Shep talking to Jack or Miranda in renegade options - blunt and pushing it. No way.

OK, i never cared so much for game to actually write to forum. Just like that. But ME is more than a game. I hope it will be perfect.

[BiO]

-snip-

Thing is, that's Turian character. Even if Garrus is not a very good Turian, he's still a Turian. He can't change that.

[Darameja]

 OK. I cannot not do that. My head is still just in ME and I hear the soundtrack theme of Samara all the time, even not playing it. I have to get this out of my system, so here it goes - a version of Garrus/FemShep dialogue that I think would of been much more romantic. 

After some talking to Garrus, Shepard gets the feeling Garrus likes her more than just a friend and got to like her already on first Normandy. 

G: You know, its funny, before you I did not think much of humans. So chaotic, disorderly, physically quite weak, but thinking so much of themselves. But you showed me the strength of your species. 

S: (smiling) Seems I am doing more for humanity than fighting the reapers - Wrex also told me that humans looks a bit less squishy after meeting me.

G: Yes, humans are interesting. When I was learning about them.. you... sometimes they seemed similar to turians and sometimes so far. Like your courting and mating rituals, seem to be very complex. 

S: Mating rituals? You seem to have done indepth research. Any particular reason?

G: (embarassed) I.. well... it's good to know... interesting. (sigh) Shepard, I just want you to know, I am really happy you're alive. (pause) OK, need to do some more calibrations. Talk to you later. 

(later conversation) 

S: Garrus, have a minute to talk?

G: Yes, I actually wanted to talk. About what we talked last time. I hope I did not say something unapropriate. 

(it would be time to either stop romance, stay neutral or encourage it, but I am writing just one of the options). 

S: No, not at all. I didnt know you felt that way. You never told me anything. 

G: Back in those times I did not know what was it. Curiosity? And you are human, a hogher officer and... well I know you had something with leutenant. I did not think too much about it. But when I saw you in Omega, back from the dead, I... 

S: Garrus, I... 

G: (hushes her) This cold universe has billions of sapient creatures moving in their lives all the time. But it is so difficult to find those you can trust. Shepard, I trust you and no matter what you will respond now, I want you to know, you can always trust me. 


And thats it for now. Less funny, more romatic and dramatic. I guess you can persue other conversation options and it could be more humorous or smth. But I had Garrus with me all the time in squad during ME and ME2 and he felt as most trustworhty character, so thought it would be cool to hear what Garrus thoughts were on Shepard before ME2... 

[Darameja]

Yeah, he is a Turian, but as I remember there was nothing about romance among turians. We dont even see female Turian. Only info is from that dialogue where Garrus talks about letting the steam off with his squade mate. Right?

[Platform_Error]

I think Garrus and Shepard's romance is perfect the way it is. And I got the impression (as I know many people here did) that by the final romance scene something much deeper than a fling has developed.

[Twilight_Princess]

Platform_Error wrote...

I think Garrus and Shepard's romance is perfect the way it is. And I got the impression (as I know many people here did) that by the final romance scene something much deeper than a fling has developed.

I'm happy about how it started but it needs to have more depth in the third act and they need to be presented as an actual couple (so there’s no doubt that they love and care about it each other in a romantic way). Obviously there’ll be laughs (it wouldn’t be femshep/garrus otherwise) but what they need to do to is show more of the serious side of the relationship (we caught a glimpse of that riiiiiight at the end)  They also need actually SAY how they really feel about each other , something they both annoyingly dodged in ME2 .

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 19 août 2011 - 01:24 .

[Obsydian]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

Platform_Error wrote...

I think Garrus and Shepard's romance is perfect the way it is. And I got the impression (as I know many people here did) that by the final romance scene something much deeper than a fling has developed.

I'm happy about how it started but it needs to have more depth in the third act and they need to be presented as an actual couple (so there’s no doubt that they love and care about it each other in a romantic way). Obviously there’ll be laughs (it wouldn’t be femshep/garrus otherwise) but what they need to do to is show more of the serious side of the relationship (we caught a glimpse of that riiiiiight at the end)  They also need actually SAY how they really feel about each other , something they both annoyingly dodged in ME2 .

HOLY CRAP!  i havent seen you in a million years, Hyrule!    i agree with most of what you said.  i dont, however, think they need to actually say what they feel.

[Twilight_Princess]

Obsydian wrote...

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

Platform_Error wrote...

I think Garrus and Shepard's romance is perfect the way it is. And I got the impression (as I know many people here did) that by the final romance scene something much deeper than a fling has developed.

I'm happy about how it started but it needs to have more depth in the third act and they need to be presented as an actual couple (so there’s no doubt that they love and care about it each other in a romantic way). Obviously there’ll be laughs (it wouldn’t be femshep/garrus otherwise) but what they need to do to is show more of the serious side of the relationship (we caught a glimpse of that riiiiiight at the end)  They also need actually SAY how they really feel about each other , something they both annoyingly dodged in ME2 .

HOLY CRAP!  i havent seen you in a million years, Hyrule!    i agree with most of what you said.  i dont, however, think they need to actually say what they feel.

Hi obsy! When I say "say", I don't mean say per say, know what I'm saying?  What I mean is I don't think there needs to be I love you's or declarations that are OOC but there are some things those two crazy kids need to say to each other. Take what shep says to liara , don't you think garrus needed to be hear "you deserve something better" or when she talks to mordin, wouldn't it be nice to hear shep say "you're important to me" to garrus? It seems she's told everyone else how she feels about him except him, even kelly! So shep HAS said some affectionate things she just needs to say them to garrus .

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 19 août 2011 - 05:05 .

[Leonia]

There certainly needs to be more touching and an actual "showing" of affection, not anything over the top but just.. the little things that indicate that "Hey we're in a serious relationship here you guys!" stuff.

[AlphaDormante]

leonia42 wrote...

There certainly needs to be more touching and an actual "showing" of affection, not anything over the top but just.. the little things that indicate that "Hey we're in a serious relationship here you guys!" stuff.

One such thing I really liked was in the SM, where your "correct" second fire team leader (i.e. Miranda, Jacob, or Garrus) takes a slug in the gut and stumbles while Shepard rushes over. When s/he recovers and looks up, Shepard reaches over and gives him/her a hurried pat on the shoulder before quickly moving to join the rest of the squad.

It's very quick, very subtle, and exactly what I'd like to see more of. Simple body language is one of my favorite mediums of communication: a pat here, a brush there, so many thoughts and feelings can be passed through the briefest of physical touches.

And it's usually more effective without words. Take Garrus for that distraction team example: when the correct candidates each get shot, what are their reactions?

Miranda: "I'm ready for action, Commander."
Jacob: "I'm okay...just need a second to catch my breath."
Garrus: Silently straightens and looks Shepard in the eye.

Garrus' impacted me the most - and not because he's my favorite of the three. The lack of dialogue really drew my attention to their physical interactions, and it spoke on a deeper level to me than the other two and their assurances. I'm not saying I'd like to have him shot every time I want to touch him, but I think it speaks levels about how the normal Garrus/Shepard relationship goes.

Modifié par AlphaDormante, 19 août 2011 - 10:36 .

[Nilfalasiel]

Darameja wrote...

Ok. I think it has been said already and in many places, but I just have to say it again and hope some BioWare people read it. I finished ME2 just yesterday and still feel shaken up by things that happened. lost Samara and Tali...
But what I wanned to say about Garrus. For me Garrus was favorite from ME. Though I did really like romance with Kaiden, his dialogues seemed very well written - he picked up the vibe from FemShep and then he was leading the converdations and he really liked her as female a lot. And the last conversation about how "Even if reapers come the universe will still exsist. But not us, us is important now". It was brilliant. And I really liked his reaction in ME2 and his e-mail - so believable.
In ME2 I got SO surprised and exccited that Archangel was Garrus... It seemed so good seeing an old friend when all just Cerberus is around. And I thought it is really very good romance option - Shepar is doing such big things and she needs support fromk someone she could trust. BUT the dialogues with Garrus, though funny, really did not give that feeling that he cares for her a lot, it just another "option" to get the stress relieved. And the way FemShep approached that.. so blunt. I dunno, it lacked sentiment. I think it was quite clear that it was not female writing the dialogue. I really really hope that the romance with Garrus on ME3 will be something more, that he is not just "blowing off steam with intercourse with other specie" or "trying to get something right" but actually cares for Shepard. Like Thane. I think he is fascinating and his dialogue is perfect. The way he called her.. Seeha. Wonderful. I am still thinking either to persue romance with Thane or still with Garrus, though I think my FemShep would choose Garrus.
And as for Jacob dialogue... that was the worst. I did not feel at all like going for it. It was something like male Shep talking to Jack or Miranda in renegade options - blunt and pushing it. No way.

OK, i never cared so much for game to actually write to forum. Just like that. But ME is more than a game. I hope it will be perfect.

Geez, haven't posted in here in aaaaages...

I don't know about you, but:
 
"I want something to go right...just once..." and then he can't continue because he's struck by Shepard's gesture of touching his scar...

screams "more than a fling" to me. I think it's a beautiful, subtle, very moving way of showing that he's simply overpowered by the fact that Shepard cares.

You have to remember that Garrus is not prone to get emotional. He's still a turian, and they're not exactly the gushiest species around. Also, being attracted to Shepard is really quite far out for him: he's never been interested in another species before and, by the sounds of it, never really had time for a stable, long-term relationship (the only relationship he mentions is a fling, and Dr Michel says, in her email, that he was always so involved in his personal crusades that he didn't have much time for others). But Shepard is a role model, a leader and a great friend. In fact, she's one of the only people that stands by him no matter what: she helps him, supports him and trusts him. His first reaction to her showing interest in him is surprise: he doesn't actually expect someone he admires so much would pay that kind of attention to him. If you're courting either Jacob or Thane at the same time then dump them for him, he also expresses surprise at the choice.

It's not so much that he views the relationship as a fling, it's just that he can't quite believe that it's happening. He considers himself as a failure, remember? He's not a good turian, he quit his job, he feels guilty over the deaths of his squad, he's disfigured, his family is disappointed in him (Solana doesn't know that he's funding his mother's treatment, and his father probably never lived down his quitting C-Sec), everything seems to be backfiring in his face (sometimes literally). And yet, here it is: the one person who has always been a stabilising force in his life is actually showing first physical, then emotional interest in him. He's even willing to disregard the species barrier to have a shot at making it work ("this isn't about that, this is about us"). But I don't think he actually believes that Shepard is 100% serious until the romance scene.

The entire basis of the relationship is preexisting trust. Shepard herself says so ("I don't want someone closer to home, I want someone I can trust"). I'm actually finding it difficult seeing that kind of dialogue to be indicative of a fling.

Thane's romance is also beautiful, but in a completely different, "doomed from the start" kind of way (his email in LotSB is just ). I just don't think that Garrus' romance pales by comparison.

@ AlphaDormante: Yep, I agree. Garrus is very good at non-verbal communication, surprisingly enough for a species which doesn't have much in the way of facial expressions.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 19 août 2011 - 10:42 .

[Leonia]

So I was just reading this interview here and it basically confirms what we've suspected for awhile: the Reapers are attacking multiple worlds, including Palaven.

Which makes me think a bit.. how do you think Garrus will react to all this? He seems to go to great pains to distance himself from his own species, using human expressions whenever possible (verbally and sometimes visually when possible) and generally doesn't seem happy with the Hierarchy and all of the rules that they impose (not that he ever comes out and says it directly, it's just an inference on his overall disdain for red-tape and BS).

I've always thought of him as sometimes forgetting that he is a turian, he values indepence and self-reliance more than most turians who grow up in a society that emphasises the greater good (relying on codex entries about turian culture here, Garrus rarely voices his opinions on his own people) and really admiring the way humans operate. Certainly he still feels some patriotism, he's not a barefaced and he's a bit of a "quiet" rebel regarding his upbringing, but how is he going to react when all of Palaven and his family is endangered? Will he suddenly make up his mind as to where his loyalties are? Am I totally misjudging his anti-Hierarchy leanings in the first place?

Obviously he'll follow Shepard and be keen to stop the Reapers, regardless of what happens to the turians as a species, but I wonder if the fight will become more personal and if maybe Garrus will question just how important being a turian is. I guess I just think of him as that "bad turian" that acts more human than anything and maybe he's sort of forgotten what it's like to be a part of the turian military and having to work with others of his kind.

Curious what you guys think. I'm also hoping that we'll get a bigger dose of turian culture in ME3, it seems to be the one species we get the least amount of information on (unless one digs through the codex).

[silentstephi]

From a logistics standpoint, I know if the turian home world is one of the worlds in danger, my Shepard would make it a priority. Why? Because the bastards can fight!

I'm not sure how Garrus would react, but I'm pretty sure while he might not give two wits about the Hierarchy, he is going to care about his family. So hrm... I dunno. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

(Also hi. I lurk now, but mostly cause I'm avoiding SPOILERZ. LoL)

[Darameja]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Darameja wrote...

Ok. I think it has been said already and in many places, but I just have to say it again and hope some BioWare people read it. I finished ME2 just yesterday and still feel shaken up by things that happened. lost Samara and Tali...
But what I wanned to say about Garrus. For me Garrus was favorite from ME. Though I did really like romance with Kaiden, his dialogues seemed very well written - he picked up the vibe from FemShep and then he was leading the converdations and he really liked her as female a lot. And the last conversation about how "Even if reapers come the universe will still exsist. But not us, us is important now". It was brilliant. And I really liked his reaction in ME2 and his e-mail - so believable.
In ME2 I got SO surprised and exccited that Archangel was Garrus... It seemed so good seeing an old friend when all just Cerberus is around. And I thought it is really very good romance option - Shepar is doing such big things and she needs support fromk someone she could trust. BUT the dialogues with Garrus, though funny, really did not give that feeling that he cares for her a lot, it just another "option" to get the stress relieved. And the way FemShep approached that.. so blunt. I dunno, it lacked sentiment. I think it was quite clear that it was not female writing the dialogue. I really really hope that the romance with Garrus on ME3 will be something more, that he is not just "blowing off steam with intercourse with other specie" or "trying to get something right" but actually cares for Shepard. Like Thane. I think he is fascinating and his dialogue is perfect. The way he called her.. Seeha. Wonderful. I am still thinking either to persue romance with Thane or still with Garrus, though I think my FemShep would choose Garrus.
And as for Jacob dialogue... that was the worst. I did not feel at all like going for it. It was something like male Shep talking to Jack or Miranda in renegade options - blunt and pushing it. No way.

OK, i never cared so much for game to actually write to forum. Just like that. But ME is more than a game. I hope it will be perfect.

Geez, haven't posted in here in aaaaages...

I don't know about you, but:
 
"I want something to go right...just once..." and then he can't continue because he's struck by Shepard's gesture of touching his scar...

screams "more than a fling" to me. I think it's a beautiful, subtle, very moving way of showing that he's simply overpowered by the fact that Shepard cares.

You have to remember that Garrus is not prone to get emotional. He's still a turian, and they're not exactly the gushiest species around. Also, being attracted to Shepard is really quite far out for him: he's never been interested in another species before and, by the sounds of it, never really had time for a stable, long-term relationship (the only relationship he mentions is a fling, and Dr Michel says, in her email, that he was always so involved in his personal crusades that he didn't have much time for others). But Shepard is a role model, a leader and a great friend. In fact, she's one of the only people that stands by him no matter what: she helps him, supports him and trusts him. His first reaction to her showing interest in him is surprise: he doesn't actually expect someone he admires so much would pay that kind of attention to him. If you're courting either Jacob or Thane at the same time then dump them for him, he also expresses surprise at the choice.

It's not so much that he views the relationship as a fling, it's just that he can't quite believe that it's happening. He considers himself as a failure, remember? He's not a good turian, he quit his job, he feels guilty over the deaths of his squad, he's disfigured, his family is disappointed in him (Solana doesn't know that he's funding his mother's treatment, and his father probably never lived down his quitting C-Sec), everything seems to be backfiring in his face (sometimes literally). And yet, here it is: the one person who has always been a stabilising force in his life is actually showing first physical, then emotional interest in him. He's even willing to disregard the species barrier to have a shot at making it work ("this isn't about that, this is about us"). But I don't think he actually believes that Shepard is 100% serious until the romance scene.

The entire basis of the relationship is preexisting trust. Shepard herself says so ("I don't want someone closer to home, I want someone I can trust"). I'm actually finding it difficult seeing that kind of dialogue to be indicative of a fling.

Thane's romance is also beautiful, but in a completely different, "doomed from the start" kind of way (his email in LotSB is just ). I just don't think that Garrus' romance pales by comparison.

@ AlphaDormante: Yep, I agree. Garrus is very good at non-verbal communication, surprisingly enough for a species which doesn't have much in the way of facial expressions.

Nicely said. I saw his words in different light, more like "Well ok, if you're choosing me then alright, we will have cross species intercourse". Whole dialogues with Garrus seemed like Shepard is more into it than he is and kind of a bit pushing it. Though last scene was very nice. I hope interesting advancements in ME3, espcially after being with Kaidan in ME. 

[outmane]

Garrus certainly isnt as openly emotional as Kaidan or Thane. I think thats something Shep has to accept if shes gonna romance him.

It has to be taken in account that Garrus and Shep arent 'lovestruck' as Thane and Shep in their romance arc. Its normal their story takes a diffrent path. Its a bit akward for sure but i think it gives the feeling of 2 good friends who decide they want to be more then that but dont exactly know how to tell each other.

[GarrusV4karian]

leonia42 wrote...

There certainly needs to be more touching and an actual "showing" of affection, not anything over the top but just.. the little things that indicate that "Hey we're in a serious relationship here you guys!" stuff.

While I agree, but there hasn't to be something intimitate between them. Just a simple hug or words will be enough for me.

@Chewin3 I approve of your new avatar:wizard: