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chibievil

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Lethania wrote...

So, dear Garrumanders. My collection of Garrus fanfic is growing, but is there a story that you really feel I've missed on my list that just has to be read? I need more!

http://www.lethania.com/fanfic/



Ooooh must read the spectre and archangel, i remember reading it long ago, but i forgotten the story, is it complete or is it still ongoing

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Lethania wrote...

So, dear Garrumanders. My collection of Garrus fanfic is growing, but is there a story that you really feel I've missed on my list that just has to be read? I need more!

http://www.lethania.com/fanfic/


Neither of my Garrus fics are on there.  :whistle:

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chibievil wrote...

Lethania wrote...

So, dear Garrumanders. My collection of Garrus fanfic is growing, but is there a story that you really feel I've missed on my list that just has to be read? I need more!

http://www.lethania.com/fanfic/


Ooooh must read the spectre and archangel, i remember reading it long ago, but i forgotten the story, is it complete or is it still ongoing


Ongoing

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Sialater wrote...

Lethania wrote...

So, dear Garrumanders. My collection of Garrus fanfic is growing, but is there a story that you really feel I've missed on my list that just has to be read? I need more!

http://www.lethania.com/fanfic/


Neither of my Garrus fics are on there.  :whistle:


Well give us a link then!!  :lol:

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it sad garrus is not gay and amasing he not because his some of his lines are so saying he gay

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Lethania wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Lethania wrote...

So, dear Garrumanders. My collection of Garrus fanfic is growing, but is there a story that you really feel I've missed on my list that just has to be read? I need more!

http://www.lethania.com/fanfic/


Neither of my Garrus fics are on there.  :whistle:


Well give us a link then!!  :lol:


Loved:  ME2 novelization, will continue into ME3.  "Cheating" Shenko Shepard who moved on to Garrus post Horizon.

Persephone Rising:  This story is an alternate universe retelling of the events of Mass Effect 1 & 2 & 3 and parts in between.  Three Shepards were born, instead of just one. Alexis Shepard, the Spacer and War Hero, as beautiful as she is driven. Ella Shepard, the Mindoir-born, Butcher of Torfan with a heart of gold. Meghan Shepard, Earthborn reformed criminal and the Sole Survivor of Akuze. They've all been assigned to the Normandy SR-1 for her shake-down cruise. But no one ever sends these marines out together for just a shake-down cruise...
(written by me (I'm writing the Shakarian Meghan Shepard), Evil Sapphyre (Shenko Alexis Shepard), and Jillyfae (Shoker Ella Shepard).

Modifié par Sialater, 17 avril 2012 - 03:25 .


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Pyn wrote...

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So, I keep seeing this picture referenced and I can't for the life of me discern what's going on.  Can one of my lovely Garrusmancer mates fill me in? Because I'm f*cking clueless. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/pouty.png[/smilie]

Modifié par txmn1016, 17 avril 2012 - 03:51 .


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 ^^Yes same here. I have never understood the point of that image.:huh:

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that person is showing you that all the eyes are parts of indoctrinations, they all look similar but just different colours. If you have finished the game i would recommend you check out indoctrination theory's on youtube, if you haven't done so already as it explains it better

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I think it's an eye analysis for support of the Indoctrination Theory.

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Don't know if anyone posted this yet.  This artist did this and this one pic gives me more closure then the endings did.  I think its so sweet and sad but still great.

link:   neehs.deviantart.com/#/d4vosrx

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Modifié par shnellegaming, 17 avril 2012 - 04:30 .


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 I don't like the indoctrination theory :mellow:

@shnellegaming: Something like that should've been in the game. I would've been fine with it instead with what we got.
Bioware should just hire some fans to write a new ending and some DLC. They clearly know how it should've been done.

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Mresa wrote...

 I don't like the indoctrination theory :mellow:

Me neither. I don't like "it was all a dream" endings, especially in universes that don't fit.

I'm still on board with it for now, though. Best thing we have until (hopefully) the EC comes out.

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@shnellegaming

Great pic.  That is the ending I think many of us expected...we'll see what the extended cut gives us.

Karrie788 wrote...

Mresa wrote...

 I don't like the indoctrination theory :mellow:

Me neither. I don't like "it was all a dream" endings, especially in universes that don't fit.

I'm still on board with it for now, though. Best thing we have until (hopefully) the EC comes out.


I really don't like IT either, it just doesn't feel right.  I'd rather headcanon an ending at the moment, as sad as that may seem.

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Karrie788 wrote...

Mresa wrote...

 I don't like the indoctrination theory :mellow:

Me neither. I don't like "it was all a dream" endings, especially in universes that don't fit.

I'm still on board with it for now, though. Best thing we have until (hopefully) the EC comes out.


I like the indoctrination theory because it is extremely telling as to how utterly broken the ending is. If you have an ending that thousands of people want to have "all been a dream" then there is a problem.

Edit: I mean people are still angry that the second mario game was all a dream, and that was nearly 25 years ago.

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Karrie788 wrote...

Mresa wrote...

 I don't like the indoctrination theory :mellow:

Me neither. I don't like "it was all a dream" endings, especially in universes that don't fit.

I'm still on board with it for now, though. Best thing we have until (hopefully) the EC comes out.

You mean you rather it wasnt a bad dream that your LI goes and screws Joker? :blink::crying:

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Terrorize69 wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

Mresa wrote...

 I don't like the indoctrination theory :mellow:

Me neither. I don't like "it was all a dream" endings, especially in universes that don't fit.

I'm still on board with it for now, though. Best thing we have until (hopefully) the EC comes out.

You mean you rather it wasnt a bad dream that your LI goes and screws Joker? :blink::crying:

Nope. I rather make up my own ending. :P

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Well, if it helps anyone, this is my take on IT.  It's not all a dream.

The oddity of the vision shift after Harbinger's beam is where I think the full on, no-holds-barred indoctrination attempt starts. Say, if Garrus was watching from the outside, he'd see Shepard fall to her knees as Harbinger's final attempt to stop her begins. Like... there was no beam. At least, not direct at Shepard, but Shepard thinks there was? And Garrus watches Shepard stumble toward the Crucible beam somehow still fighting (shooting Marauder Sheilds, etc). Can't get her attention, can't talk to her... nothing. All he can do is cover her back against the renewed onslaught of the reaper minions.

She gets up to the Citadel and the weirdness continues. She's actually walking forward. But like the dreams, with her deceased teammates' whispers, she's fighting it... bring in Anderson's hallucination. Harbinger counters with TIM. Shepard ends up shooting herself somewhere non-lethal and non-crippling to fight TIM. After all, pain will wake you from any dream, right? She sits down to rest, to quit, maybe give in to the urges to stop fighting -- she's hurting and wounded and tired, after all. And her mind counters with one more plea for help from Hackett.

The God Toddler exists, but it's on the Reapers' side. It wants the cycle to continue because then it continues. It's in a fight for self-preservation, too. Destroy and Synthesis break the Indoctrination (Sheps eyes glow green, not blue) (and I'm not certain about Synthesis). Control cements the indoctrination. In Control, in my head at least, Shep's body survives, but she's a tool of the Reapers and urges surrender because the Crucible didn't work.

The choices of Synthesis and Destroy, indoctrination is broken. I don't like Synthesis either because the Trekkie in me screams BORG! at the top of its lungs and reminds me that that will remove all free will, at least as we know it. But it's still not an ending the Reapers like because they lose.

I think the Reapers want the Crucible to be built. Especially if the God Toddler is on their side instead of the neutral party it tries to present itself as. I think it might magnify the Indoctrination signal to finally overwhelm Shepard. Which is what they've been trying to do all along. Hence the dreams.

Unlike the mainstream theory... I've never thought Shepard was indoctrinated since day 1, nor do I think the whole ending's a dream. I've thought that the Reapers have been attempting to indoctrinate her. But never actually succeeding, hence the warnings from her teammates in her dreams. If you listen to them, they all seem to be telling her to do other things than follow the child. Ashley's whisper in mine was the clearest, "Get the LT and get out of here!" And Mordin's "Implications, unpleasant," and "It had to be me, someone else would have gotten it wrong."

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shnellegaming wrote...

Don't know if anyone posted this yet.  This artist did this and this one pic gives me more closure then the endings did.  I think its so sweet and sad but still great.

link:   neehs.deviantart.com/#/d4vosrx

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This is my desktop background at the moment. It gives me comfort.

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@Sia

As I mentioned, I am not an IT fan, but I actually like that explanation. Works better than the its a dream idea (mainstream IT as you put it), but also works in what actually happened when Shepard got to the Citadel.

I can work with that. It will be interesting to see what the extended cut brings to the table.

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My guts tells me that the star child thing is a manipulative little bastard. But generaly this seems like the kind of end that you should add a lot of headcannon to to make it work the way you prefer. I'm okay with that to be honest.

But back to topic: Brandon Keener makes everyone gay for Garrus.

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Sialater wrote...

Well, if it helps anyone, this is my take on IT.  It's not all a dream.
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Huh. To be honest, I thought that was the Indoctrination Theory... Never bothered to check the 'original', just pieced together some keywords and came up with something similar to yours. Though I am not so sure about the 'role' of the Illusive Man and Anderson.
Still, IT, half-IT, other options - I'll happily take any "explanation" of the current ending that a) makes at least some sense, B) does not lead to super-creepy side-results (No green-eyed Borg as long as my Shepard can still hold her pistol. Live long, prosper and without space magic!) and c) provides a possibility for a happy end.

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Seleya_LL wrote...
On a side note: Is Kaliya a common name somewhere or a reference that I don't get, or have you, by any chance, written some fanfiction some time ago? With some authors it is quite obvious, thanks to sigs and / or nicknames, but while I can't recall a Sable Rhapsody, I'd bet that I've read your Shepard's name somewhere, probably year(s) ago.


KSCrusaders on FF.net, and I've done occasional fills for the kmeme with Kaliya & Garrus.  That's likely where you saw it, since I've yet to meet someone else with the same name for their Shep.

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Edit 2: If that was you.....pweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez one more after that? :3

 

I'm doing ME3 fanfiction, so not so much in the way of ME2 material ATM.  But yes, that fill's one of mine.

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hmm i done the decision to kill kaidan...I didn't have a choice in the matter, we had the standoff, and i could either kill him or let my squaddies do it. apparently Garrus/Vega chose to do it, and they stood so close together i don't know which 1 killed Kaidan

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Thought you guys might like this. I take no credit for this art.

Modifié par michaelrsa, 17 avril 2012 - 08:25 .