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[Sable Rhapsody]

DineBoo wrote...
Who knew not buying him the whiskey was a deal maker?

I didn't get him the whiskey on a hunch, and it turned out all right.  

On multiple Shepards: I only have one FemShep and one ManShep since I end up associating the voices very strongly with the characters, so hearing the same voice come out of, say, a different FemShep's mouth really weirds me out.

[ThatDancingTurian]

DineBoo wrote...

Maybe with some low key sniping at each other? Like how Vega and Garrus try to one up each other, just with a smidgen more intensity?

I could see that. Garrus at least certainly has a competitive streak. And Kaidan seems to be dead sure he's still in a relationship with Shepard, so I can't imagine he'd have no reaction.

I don't think them reacting would mean they were being disrespectful any more than Ash and Tali were being disrespectful. They have feelings, they're in a high-stress situation, add in the relationship issue and it's not hard to believe someone might say something against their better judgment. I don't see why the male LIs should be held to a different standard, that just perpetuates the 'girls are catty' stereotype.

Like I said, it could be done. I think it's underestimating the excellent character writing in the Mass Effect series to say without a doubt that it couldn't.

I would have liked to see something between them, but we didn't, so that ship has sailed. :/

[Sialater]

Uh... he mentions having Shepard's six quite often. That's hardly out of left field.

And in my fic specifically, he brings it up since my Shepard keeps saying she's glad he's got her back and then rather hypocritically... does the solo mission(s) like the Estavanico. And neither trust Cerberus. So yeah, he gets annoyed with her. He's not a very good turian after all. LOL

[Hadeedak]

I pretty much figured my Shepard and Garrus were BFFs forever, until she made a high-on-pain-med joke about reach and flexibility... AND HE TOOK HER SERIOUSLY. PANIC. Her second mistake was advice from Tali and Kasumi about how to run. Which... involved no running. But hey, it worked out.

But my Shepard is a Mama Bear with a short fuse. I can't see anyone trying to really protect a vanguard anyway. "All right, Shepard, get beh---" BawwwwFOOOM. "Hiiiiyargh!" In my headcanon, that's a big part of why they work! Shepard's aggressive and brutal; Garrus sets up his shots. >>

I shouldn't type before coffee.

[Headcount]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

DineBoo wrote...

Maybe with some low key sniping at each other? Like how Vega and Garrus try to one up each other, just with a smidgen more intensity?

I could see that. Garrus at least certainly has a competitive streak. And Kaidan seems to be dead sure he's still in a relationship with Shepard, so I can't imagine he'd have no reaction.

I don't think them reacting would mean they were being disrespectful any more than Ash and Tali were being disrespectful. They have feelings, they're in a high-stress situation, add in the relationship issue and it's not hard to believe someone might say something against their better judgment. I don't see why the male LIs should be held to a different standard, that just perpetuates the 'girls are catty' stereotype.

Like I said, it could be done. I think it's underestimating the excellent character writing in the Mass Effect series to say without a doubt that it couldn't.

I would have liked to see something between them, but we didn't, so that ship has sailed. :/

Couldn't have said it any better myself. 

[ThatDancingTurian]

bushes289 wrote...

I know this was from a few hours ago but I feel the need to put in my two cents. I don't think Garrus even considered any type of romantic relationship with Shepard until she err... brings it up (to put it lightly). Garrus has always been impulsive and somewhat rash, and while he did mature from ME1 he's still impulsive, he said yes right away because it was his gut reaction, because it's Shepard. Afterwards he has doubts, because before he said agreed without really thinking about it, but at that point he's thinking about it and all the things that could go wrong.

Unfortunately for me this perspective of mine makes me unable to read quite a few fanfics out there because I view any fanfic where Garrus has had romantic feelings for Shepard since ME1 (I don't mind the development of feelings during ME2 as I can understand why people wouldn't like how the romance is initiated in ME2) as very ooc. I didn't get very far in Violence, Voteurism and vigilantes because the part were Garrus yells at Kaidan for not protecting Shepard fills me with massive amounts of rage. Shepard isn't the the protected she's the protector, and now I've gone off track so I'll shut up. *remembers a fanfic where Garrus got upset about not being brought on missions because it meant he couldn't "protect" her and tries not to break computer*

I agree completely.

I'm of the opinion that Garrus never thought of Shepard romantically, but his initial reaction to the first flirt makes me think he is very much attracted to her subconsciously, he just didn't know it until she asked. Not the specifically human bits, but something inherently Shepard that really turns him on. It's only later that he starts to psych himself out about it that he seems nervous, his gut reaction was, "YES."

Agreed about the fanfic too, though I find the majority of fanfic to be incredibly OOC. Someone in this thread said it right, I think we all have our own ideas of who Garrus is, which makes it harder to pin him down.

The problem is that Garrus has so many contradicting elements in his personality. He's very much human yet also very alien, he's the bad boy and the best friend, the renegade and the protector, he's passionate and rash but calm under fire, he loves justice and hates rules. Sometimes he just makes no sense at all. xD

[Karrie788]

bushes289 wrote...

Unfortunately for me this perspective of mine makes me unable to read quite a few fanfics out there because I view any fanfic where Garrus has had romantic feelings for Shepard since ME1 (I don't mind the development of feelings during ME2 as I can understand why people wouldn't like how the romance is initiated in ME2) as very ooc. I didn't get very far in Violence, Voteurism and vigilantes because the part were Garrus yells at Kaidan for not protecting Shepard fills me with massive amounts of rage. Shepard isn't the the protected she's the protector, and now I've gone off track so I'll shut up. *remembers a fanfic where Garrus got upset about not being brought on missions because it meant he couldn't "protect" her and tries not to break computer*

I agree, actually. I can't picture him falling for her in ME1. I think he can admire her, respect her a great deal and eventually befriend her (hence their "joy" upon reuniting on Omega), but as far as having romantic feelings for her? I dunno, feels very OOC. Actually I'd love to hear the side of someone who could picture them falling for each other from ME1.

And yep, I can't see him getting all protective over her, at least not to that extent. Does he want to have her back when she asks him to? Sure. But to feel the need to constantly protect her even if she doesn't want it, I don't think so.

[Spartas Husky]

Karrie788 wrote...

I agree, actually. I can't picture him falling for her in ME1. I think he can admire her, respect her a great deal and eventually befriend her (hence their "joy" upon reuniting on Omega), but as far as having romantic feelings for her? I dunno, feels very OOC. Actually I'd love to hear the side of someone who could picture them falling for each other from ME1.

And yep, I can't see him getting all protective over her, at least not to that extent. Does he want to have her back when she asks him to? Sure. But to feel the need to constantly protect her even if she doesn't want it, I don't think so.

Tali had feelings for Shep, she just didn't realize it until you got spaced. Dont see why Garrus couldn't have found his respect for his superior was more than he thought it was originally.

[xAmilli0n]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Tali had feelings for Shep, she just didn't realize it until you got spaced. Dont see why Garrus couldn't have found his respect for his superior was more than he thought it was originally.

This is kinda what I always had in mind.  Garrus respected and looked up to Shep, and Shep became one of his few close friends.  Then when she got spaced, he realized exactly what he had lost.  Now, I don't think he ever would have acted on it if Shepard hadn't taken the first step (leading to the awkwardness in ME2) but I do think he definitely had feeling by that moment, even if he didn't completely understand them.

Modifié par xAmilli0n, 26 avril 2012 - 09:19 .

[bushes289]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Tali had feelings for Shep, she just didn't realize it until you got spaced. Dont see why Garrus couldn't have found his respect for his superior was more than he thought it was originally.

Because Garrus and Tali are two characters with completely different personalities. It makes senses for Tali to have a crush on Shepard in ME1 because he's the first person to actually treat her with respect since she started her pilgrimage, and brought her along to help save the galaxy, etc.  It just doesn't make sense because of who Garrus is, he comes accross as very young and he really doesn't understand romance at all, remeber how disgusted he was by general Septimus?

Edit: I don't think ME1 Garrus is mature enough for a romantic relationship, nor would he even want one. He's to busy trying to figure out where he wants his life to go. It's just not something he cared about, and continues to not care about if femshep doesn't romance him.

Modifié par bushes289, 26 avril 2012 - 09:29 .

[Sialater]

ROTFLMAO

He was disgusted by Septimus because Septimus became a damned mess, not because he was in love.

Garrus is hardly that inexperienced.

Modifié par Sialater, 26 avril 2012 - 09:24 .

[bushes289]

Sialater wrote...

ROTFLMAO

He was disgusted by Septimus because Septimus became a damned mess, not because he was in love.

Garrus is hardly that inexperienced.

*raises eyebrow* That was kind of rude.

I was referring to the fact that Garrus wonders what a woman could possibly do to out him in that state. I'm also pretty certain that all his previous "relationships" were simply the blowing off steam kind, so yes, very inexperienced.

[Sialater]

bushes289 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

ROTFLMAO

He was disgusted by Septimus because Septimus became a damned mess, not because he was in love.

Garrus is hardly that inexperienced.

*raises eyebrow* That was kind of rude.

I was referring to the fact that Garrus wonders what a woman could possibly do to out him in that state. I'm also pretty certain that all his previous "relationships" were simply the blowing off steam kind, so yes, very inexperienced.

Sorry, was laughing at the idea of Garrus being contemptuous for that reason. That's not the read I got on it at all.  If he was, that would make him a giant hypocrite.  And that's one thing I don't think Garrus is.

[ThatDancingTurian]

I agree with you, bushes289. I think his line to Septimus really highlighted that ME1 Garrus definitely did not put a priority on romantic relationships. I think it was the emphasis on 'woman' in the line. "What could a woman do to put you in this state?"

To me that sounded like, "How could anyone care THAT much?"

I don't think he's completely inexperienced with women, but I don't think he's been in love, like really in love before.

I'm not sure how that interpretation of his line would make him a hypocrite, giant or otherwise.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 26 avril 2012 - 09:41 .

[Spartas Husky]

xAmilli0n wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Tali
had feelings for Shep, she just didn't realize it until you got spaced.
Dont see why Garrus couldn't have found his respect for his superior
was more than he thought it was originally.

This
is kinda what I always had in mind.  Garrus respected and looked up to
Shep, and Shep became one of his few close friends.  Then when she got
spaced, he realized exactly what he had lost.  Now, I don't think he
ever would have acted on it if Shepard hadn't taken the first step
(leading to the awkwardness in ME2) but I do think he definitely had
feeling by that moment, even if he didn't completely understand them.

You
dont feel empty until what feel that space is gone... I am not sure
about who might have taken the first step, he is a bad turian after all
so. Given time I'd think he would have... I think but I duno.

bushes289 wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Tali had feelings for Shep, she just didn't realize it until you got spaced. Dont see why Garrus couldn't have found his respect for his superior was more than he thought it was originally.

Because Garrus and Tali are two characters with completely different personalities. It makes senses for Tali to have a crush on Shepard in ME1 because he's the first person to actually treat her with respect since she started her pilgrimage, and brought her along to help save the galaxy, etc.  It just doesn't make sense because of who Garrus is, he comes accross as very young and he really doesn't understand romance at all, remeber how disgusted he was by general Septimus?

Edit: I don't think ME1 Garrus is mature enough for a romantic relationship, nor would he even want one. He's to busy trying to figure out where he wants his life to go. It's just not something he cared about, and continues to not care about if femshep doesn't romance him.

Again you dont have to be mature enough to be a romantic. But realizing you've lost something you didn't know you had feelings for is a **** I wager.

Tali had a crush due to your treatment of her.
Same can be said for Garrus, a human... a HUMAn... military no less. Trustd Garrus in the field rather than dictate his every movement.

Tali felt ostracized you can be nice.
Garrus felt tied up, you could give him an outlet to focus on his skills on the field.

I find them both very similar.
Both came to you willingly in ME1.
Both wanted to do something above what they had planned.
Both were surprised by your tutelage.
Both were... well shy as hell for lack of a better term.
And both are hard on the outside, gooey on the inside... garrus more so if taken literally lol
Although from what grunt says something about Quarians... spinal region is harder than even turians.
reminds me of the back of the Nanosuit 2.0 in crysis 2.

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 26 avril 2012 - 09:42 .

[bushes289]

Sialater wrote...

Sorry, was laughing at the idea of Garrus being contemptuous for that reason. That's not the read I got on it at all.  If he was, that would make him a giant hypocrite.  And that's one thing I don't think Garrus is.

It wouldn't make him a hypocrite, people are allowed to change their views completely without being labeled hypocrites. He matured and gained perspective, simple as that.

[xAmilli0n]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

I agree with you, bushes289. I think his line to Septimus really highlighted that ME1 Garrus definitely did not put a priority on romantic relationships. I think it was the emphasis on 'woman' in the line. "What could a woman do to put you in this state?"

To me that sounded like, "How could anyone care THAT much?"

I don't think he's completely inexperienced with women, but I don't think he's been in love, like really in love before.

I would tend to lean towards he does have experience with women or as least is not inexperienced  (I mean, come on, the guy knows exactly what to say lol) but I agree, I don't think he has ever truely been in love before.

[ThatDancingTurian]

xAmilli0n wrote...

I would tend to lean towards he does have experience with women or as least is not inexperienced  (I mean, come on, the guy knows exactly what to say lol) but I agree, I don't think he has ever truely been in love before.

Right. He does keep talking about how bad he is at romance in ME3, though that could just be his mile-wide self-deprecating streak.

@Spartas Husky: I wouldn't call Garrus shy. Reserved might be a better term.

I think if Garrus had been in love with Shepard prior to ME2, his romance in ME2 would have followed more closely along the lines of Tali's. The fact that it didn't lends credence to the interpretation that he didn't have those feelings yet.

[Sialater]

bushes289 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Sorry, was laughing at the idea of Garrus being contemptuous for that reason. That's not the read I got on it at all.  If he was, that would make him a giant hypocrite.  And that's one thing I don't think Garrus is.

It wouldn't make him a hypocrite, people are allowed to change their views completely without being labeled hypocrites. He matured and gained perspective, simple as that.

Since I disagree as to what he was actually scoffing at in that scene, no matter what word was emphasized, I'll just drop it. 

[Karrie788]

*shrugs* In the end I think it's personal. Garrus's feelings are vague enough for us to interprate them pretty much the way we want. Given my Shep's personality, he would be masochistic if he loved her since ME1. But that scenario could work with other stories. To each his or her own! =)

As for the Septimus situation, I agree with Aris and bushes289, I saw it as someone who had never really been in love before, and simply couldn't picture anyone getting so upset over a woman. Plus, it makes the line even funnier.
But again, that's left to interpretation. The only time we see him actually talking about his feelings is ME3.

[bushes289]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Again you dont have to be mature enough to be a romantic. But realizing you've lost something you didn't know you had feelings for is a **** I wager.

Tali had a crush due to your treatment of her.
Same can be said for Garrus, a human... a HUMAn... military no less. Trustd Garrus in the field rather than dictate his every movement.

Tali felt ostracized you can be nice.
Garrus felt tied up, you could give him an outlet to focus on his skills on the field.

I find them both very similar.
Both came to you willingly in ME1.
Both wanted to do something above what they had planned.
Both were surprised by your tutelage.
Both were... well shy as hell for lack of a better term.
And both are hard on the outside, gooey on the inside... garrus more so if taken literally lol
Although from what grunt says something about Quarians... spinal region is harder than even turians.
reminds me of the back of the Nanosuit 2.0 in crysis 2.

I don't think a human giving him a chance is that extraordinary, unusual sure but while there's tension, Turians and Humans don't actively despise each other. His line to Spetimus implied that he's simply not overly concerned with romance (Aris Ravenstar put it a lot more eloquently than I did.) What does it matter anyway? the fact that he most likely only developed feelings for Shepard towards the end of ME2 doesn't somehow make them any weaker than if he had developed feelings in ME1.

@xAmill0n When I say inexperienced I mean it only in an in love kind of sense. And he clearly has no idea what to say, he even admits that he's not sure how to proceed several times. What he does say obviously works very well but not because he knew to say it .

He does get a lot more confident in ME3 about what to say but he still fumbles around in his adorably awkward way sometimes.

[Spartas Husky]

bushes289 wrote...
 he still fumbles around in his adorably awkward way sometimes.

lol

[xAmilli0n]

bushes289 wrote...

@xAmill0n When I say inexperienced I mean it only in an in love kind of sense. And he clearly has no idea what to say, he even admits that he's not sure how to proceed several times. What he does say obviously works very well but not because he knew to say it .

He does get a lot more confident in ME3 about what to say but he still fumbles around in his adorably awkward way sometimes.

lol fair enough.  At least we can admit it works, awkwardness and all.

Modifié par xAmilli0n, 26 avril 2012 - 10:06 .

[Hadeedak]

Karrie788 wrote...

*shrugs* In the end I think it's personal. Garrus's feelings are vague enough for us to interprate them pretty much the way we want. Given my Shep's personality, he would be masochistic if he loved her since ME1. But that scenario could work with other stories. To each his or her own! =)

As for the Septimus situation, I agree with Aris and bushes289, I saw it as someone who had never really been in love before, and simply couldn't picture anyone getting so upset over a woman. Plus, it makes the line even funnier.
But again, that's left to interpretation. The only time we see him actually talking about his feelings is ME3.

Pretty much. To some extent, I think all the characters are a bit different depending on your personal Shepard and spin on it. EVEN more true when it comes to fanfiction/art. Mass Effect seems to encourage your take on it. And takes are different.

[bushes289]

Hadeedak wrote...

Pretty much. To some extent, I think all the characters are a bit different depending on your personal Shepard and spin on it. EVEN more true when it comes to fanfiction/art. Mass Effect seems to encourage your take on it. And takes are different.

One problem with that:

EVERYONE'S TAKE BUT MINE IS WRONG!