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[Spartas Husky]

^^^^ awesome just awesome.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Hey Garrus ladies!

Here's a Mass Effect community survey that Jessica Merizan will be keeping an eye on. Y'all should fill it out and tell them how much we love our turian!

http://www.masseffec...ts--id-974.html 

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 01 mai 2012 - 01:53 .

[Vertigo_1]

Any Castle fans here? The latest episode had Brandon Keener staring as one of the suspects! All I kept thinking was: GARRUS! XD

[Madds17]

i'm watching castle right now!!! GAAAAHHH can't wait til brandon shows up!!

[RilantheFirebug]

GUYS. BRANDON KEENER CASTLE. ABC.

[Cipher20]

RilantheFirebug wrote...

GUYS. BRANDON KEENER CASTLE. ABC.

It took me a few minutes to realize it and was like "OMG IT'S GARRUS!!!"

[RilantheFirebug]

It didn't sound like him until he stopped screaming about zombies. lol. Then his voice got all low and.... oh my.

[Sialater]

Just wait for the Garrus/Zombie jokes....

[Hadeedak]

Hmm.... I lack a TV but perhaps Hulu and I will do some catching up tomorrow...

[Madds17]

Hadeedak wrote...

Hmm.... I lack a TV but perhaps Hulu and I will do some catching up tomorrow...

the castle website beta.abc.go.com/shows/castle has the episodes up for free. Tonight's show should be up by tomorrow

[potsi1711]

Maybe I am a little bias here, but it seems to me that the people who are most upset about the endings are the people who romanced Garrus in the ME2/ME3. I know the disappointment extends out to a lot of people who played the game differently (especially those who were maleshep and romanced Tali or Liara), but, from what appears on deviantart, fanfiction.net and the retake ME3 facebook page, there is a huge number of pro Garrus/Femshep fanarts.

Is it because those who romanced Garrus were more invested in their happy ending? Or is it simply because fangirls are more apt to make fanart/fanfiction and post it? I personally think it may be both.

Note - I'm a fanboy, and I'm not trying to be sexist... I just know that most of the artists are female and don't think a lot of male Liara/Tali fans are going to spend time writing fanfiction and painting pictures. Thank you fangirl (and occasional fanguy) artists for giving me some awesome stuff to appreciate.

This is only an (likely biased) observation. Thoughts?

[EnvyTB075]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Any Castle fans here? The latest episode had Brandon Keener staring as one of the suspects! All I kept thinking was: GARRUS! XD

Wait....which one was this? The one with the Mayor as the main suspect and Castle has to meet with shady dude who is trying to keep Beckett safe?

edit: Looks like they're soon to come for us (We get each episode later in Aus)....however looking at those previews...

....

FILLION, BALDWIN AND KEENER IN THE SPACE OF 2 EPISODES?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?! HNNNNNNNGNGNGNGNGNGNGNNGNGNGNGNGNGNGNGNGNNGGGNGNGNGNGNGNGNNGNGNGNGNGNG

All they need now is an episode with Tudyk

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 01 mai 2012 - 03:43 .

[RilantheFirebug]

potsi1711 wrote...

Maybe I am a little bias here, but it seems to me that the people who are most upset about the endings are the people who romanced Garrus in the ME2/ME3. I know the disappointment extends out to a lot of people who played the game differently (especially those who were maleshep and romanced Tali or Liara), but, from what appears on deviantart, fanfiction.net and the retake ME3 facebook page, there is a huge number of pro Garrus/Femshep fanarts.

Is it because those who romanced Garrus were more invested in their happy ending? Or is it simply because fangirls are more apt to make fanart/fanfiction and post it? I personally think it may be both.

Note - I'm a fanboy, and I'm not trying to be sexist... I just know that most of the artists are female and don't think a lot of male Liara/Tali fans are going to spend time writing fanfiction and painting pictures. Thank you fangirl (and occasional fanguy) artists for giving me some awesome stuff to appreciate.

This is only an (likely biased) observation. Thoughts?

Er....

My beef with the ending is mostly about the Mass Effect universe as a whole and continunity and promises made by the Bioware team and the groundwork that was already laid by ME1 and ME2.
1. Your choices, which is really what Mass Effect is all about, made no difference in the finale. That is unacceptable.
2. Space magic. Shepard can magically breathe in space without dying. The Reapers are controlled by a random AI who doesn't want humans to be killed by machines/synthetics so the AI sends Reapers to kill us instead. If that doesn't make you WTF then we weren't playing the same series. Bioware had a perfectly legitmate ending with dark energy threatening to consume the universe and they scrapped it for no reason.
3. All of the characters I was invested in, regardless of who I romanced, had no closure.
4. Joker randomly runs away. If Garrus or Tali come out of the Normandy at the end that means either the dextros or the aminos starve. A planet is not going to have both.
5. Everyone is stranded in the Sol system. The Quarians will never get to live on the homeworld they so longed for. Majority of the Krogan will never get the chance to live a normal life unless they inbreed. A lot of Asari will never see Thessia rebuilt. Majority of Turians will never Palaven rubuilt. That sucks.

Only after all of these issues does it become more personal in wanting to see a specific ending for my Shepard. Did I want a fluffy rainbow ending? Yes. But I wanted it to be a pain in the ass to get, I wanted it to depend on your previous choices and if you made one tiny misstep, you didn't get it. I wanted an ending where the Reapers won and raped the universe and killed everything. I wanted an ending where Shepard died heroically to save others. I wanted an ending where Shepard could die with a team of your choice.

It has nothing to do with being female or a "fangirl" (which I totally am). It has everything to do with poor storytelling and having something you were super excited about be great until the last 10 minutes and then turn into a let down.

[Sable Rhapsody]

potsi1711 wrote...
Or is it simply because fangirls are more apt to make fanart/fanfiction and post it? I personally think it may be both. 

This, most likely.  It's not an phenomenon unique to the Mass Effect fandom.  Girls are in the majority among fanartists and fanfiction writers.

[Hadeedak]

I consider myself a Garrus girl (though I'm fond of most of the characters, especially Thane and Kaidan), and I was down for the downer ending (hell, I chose control even though I COULD have had a live Shepard). My big problem was the complete lack of clarity. After explaining things carefully for most of the game, suddenly you're hit with an exposition brick with no time to resolve what it means.

I'm pretty optimistic about the actual universe (FTL rocks in the Mass Effect universe, and there's still instant communication). I just wish there'd been some more time spent showing us what this means instead of EXPOSITION BRICK ROLL CREDITS GG. I'm not sure this has much to do with me being a Garrus fan, or female. I'm also one of the people who'd say the PRINCIPLE of the endings was fairly strong. The presentation was lacking.

If you want upset over the ending, though, I suggest the fine men and women of the Liara thread, and the Tali thread. Though your mileage may vary. I got the impression we're sort of down with them, and most of the headcanons/fics I've seen around here don't seem to be outright denial.

[Armdin]

potsi1711 wrote...

Maybe I am a little bias here, but it seems to me that the people who are most upset about the endings are the people who romanced Garrus in the ME2/ME3. I know the disappointment extends out to a lot of people who played the game differently (especially those who were maleshep and romanced Tali or Liara), but, from what appears on deviantart, fanfiction.net and the retake ME3 facebook page, there is a huge number of pro Garrus/Femshep fanarts.

Is it because those who romanced Garrus were more invested in their happy ending? Or is it simply because fangirls are more apt to make fanart/fanfiction and post it? I personally think it may be both.

Note - I'm a fanboy, and I'm not trying to be sexist... I just know that most of the artists are female and don't think a lot of male Liara/Tali fans are going to spend time writing fanfiction and painting pictures. Thank you fangirl (and occasional fanguy) artists for giving me some awesome stuff to appreciate.

This is only an (likely biased) observation. Thoughts?

Nah, I think I can safely say that the majority of us dislike the endings for the multitude of reasons already present in the game itself. Sure, we would have liked a happy ending where we can see our lovely Garrus again, but the existing problems (only some of which are stated by a user above) vastly overshadow that desire. In all honesty, we Garrus-mancers have little to complain about in the end-game-romance department. We're with the Liara-mancers in that boat. We can get by with our headcanon (though we wouldn't complain at getting some offical stuff )

However, you are right; fangirls are much more apt to expressing the headcanon that nearly every dedicated fan has in, as you say, the form of fanart and fanfiction. Though that's not to say there aren't any fanboy artists and writers. They're few and far between but they're there.

Modifié par Armdin, 01 mai 2012 - 04:25 .

[Deviant Ingredient]

Huh, so I just stumbled on Javik talking to Garrus via comm link in his little fountain room. Javik was explaing to Garrus how the Turians would have made a great subserviant race in their empire but that the Turians should have just went ahead with the bomb on Tuchanka. Garrus said he'd rather have peace to live another day before promptly ending the conversation. I clicked Javik after that and he admitted that he liked Garrus since Garrus is knowledgable in war. He then said Garrus would be a better marksman if he had four eyes.

Proof that everyone likes Garrus. xD

[Niostang]

potsi1711 wrote...
Is it because those who romanced Garrus were more invested in their happy ending? Or is it simply because fangirls are more apt to make fanart/fanfiction and post it? I personally think it may be both.

I think we were incredibly fortunate with our romance arc, and I would happily forego any additions to it in the EC if it meant that other romance arcs could be brought to the level we were lucky enough to get.

None of my complaints about the ending could be connected to the Garrus romance arc in any way that wouldn't be rightfully shot down and ridiculed. My disappointment and frustration at the current ending situation go so much deeper than wanting a "happy ending" and getting to confirm that Shep + G get to play happy families.

Armdin wrote...
...fangirls are much more apt to expressing the headcanon that nearly every dedicated fan has in, as you say, the form of fanart and fanfiction. Though that's not to say there aren't any fanboy artists and writers. They're few and far between but they're there. 

I wish they would come out of the woodwork more haha. I'm really enjoying the few Brokarian fics I've found. There's something profoundly pleasing in the reading of other non-romance related facets of his personality that have made him so compelling and likeable. I've found that they reinforce my sense of respect for his character and in a way, make the romance fics better, because you know that that romance isn't just some run of the mill xenophilic lust. Even if you don't fancy turian nookie, you'd still want him around because he is just that damn brilliant and dependable and you completely respect him, flaws and all, from the spikes of his fringe right down to his digitgrade toes.

Modifié par Niostang, 01 mai 2012 - 05:08 .

[Pyn]

RilantheFirebug wrote...
It has everything to do with poor storytelling and having something you were super excited about be great until the last 10 minutes and then turn into a let down. 

...I used to like BioWare games (Neverwinter Nights, Baldur's Gate, for example.), I didn't like DA2 much, and well with ME3 let's just say at some certain points I was expecting some other things, and the "ending" was a major letdown topped off with you getting set back 2 hours or so before Cerberus HQ and squad not commenting on it like the ending never happened just killed it for me.
Doubt this "extended cut" is going to do much for me, not getting any new DLCs for ME3 if they cost anything.
I don't particularly want to rely on Fanfic, Fanart, fan-anything for the endings... Don't want to particularly use Headcanon either...

And even in November the gameplay team was still experimenting with an endgame sequence where players would suddenly lose control of Shepard's movement and fall under full reaper control. (This sequence was dropped because the gaemplay mechanic proved too troublesome to implement alongside dialogue choices).

Really BioWare? I liked Baldur's Gate type thing when lose control of player character for some time when they (avatar) 'changed' to hostile-monster-form. Bet they could have found a work-around rather than just dropping it... (need to find that Baldur's Gate disc/gate again)

Although my own Shepard's story continues long after some parts of ME3, hell a dream I had about Mass Effect (after #2) before ME3 even came out was MUCH better than what we've got. I could try to fit it into something like a fanfic or some such, interested?

Not sure I'll get any 'new' BioWares after this...
Be right back making 'ending fix' images with 3ds max...  It's the least I can do for here...

[Armdin]

Pyn wrote...
I could try to fit it into something like a fanfic or some such, interested?

From my experiance, fanfics that originated from dreams are either absolutely a.m.a.z.i.n.g or completely wacky. I had a Criminal Minds dream that, while I was dreaming it and for a good 3/4 hours after waking up seemed like a funking fanfastic idea, but when I settled down to actually get it in words just seemed downright insane.

Either way, I'll read it. But don't be discouraged to give up if you find half way through it seemed like a bad idea.

Just my opinion though.

[Armdin]

Niostang wrote...
I wish they would come out of the woodwork more haha. I'm really enjoying the few Brokarian fics I've found. There's something profoundly pleasing in the reading of other non-romance related facets of his personality that have made him so compelling and likeable. I've found that they reinforce my sense of respect for his character and in a way, make the romance fics better, because you know that that romance isn't just some run of the mill xenophilic lust. Even if you don't fancy turian nookie, you'd still want him around because he is just that damn brilliant and dependable and you completely respect him, flaws and all, from the spikes of his fringe right down to his digitgrade toes.

You and me both, I always seem to enjoy fanboy fanart/fanfictions a lot more. Fluff is good and it's a part of my daily intake of fan-work, but it's done to death. Especially in fanfiction, the vast majority of the fangirls feed their need for fluff and so plot always lacks. The fangirls that can balance fluff and plot into a nice and healthy package are as few and far between as the fanboys who express themselves in our beloved artforms.

I have to say I haven't read any Brokarian fics yet, have you got any recommendations? 

[Pyn]

 



Enjoy... Garrus would never leave his girl.:innocent:

non-transparent: http://i1213.photobu...mic/shepgar.png

EDIT: I'll fix the extra white pixels/borders later...

Modifié par Pyn, 01 mai 2012 - 08:07 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Pyn wrote...
Enjoy... Garrus would never leave his girl.:innocent:

Well, not unless she ordered him to for the sake of the mission 

I want a happy ending as much as anyone else, but I do like how the potential for tragedy hangs over the romances in Mass Effect.  Like Garrus says before Cronos Station, each mission could be their last.  Each bullet could be the one.  And both of them know they have to put the mission first, even if that means certain death for one or both of them.

[Seleya_LL]

Pyn wrote...

(need to find that Baldur's Gate disc/gate again)
[...]
Be right back making 'ending fix' images with 3ds max...  It's the least I can do for here...

Baldur's Gate really is a fantastic game - and, ironically, one of the reasons I was so upset about the ending of ME3. Bioware managed to create a convincing ending for the BG series, including possible drama, sort-of self-sacrifice, but also a happy end for most characters / romances, so I expected a similar end for the Mass Effect saga. Well, we know how well that turned out.

Your "example picture" is great, by the way
Since my Shepard(s) use another hair style I wouldn't use it for my own ending even if I got permission, but you've certainly given me a reason to look into 3ds Max myself.
Are you also creating 'movie files' from your images (as in 'animated screenshot slide shows to replace existing game ending movies'), therefore forming an "in-game" ending fix, or are these "extern" ending fixes, as in 'quit the game and look at pictures instead'?

Edit: Sorry for more technical questions... What about the lighting in 3ds Max? Phong / raytracing possible? And have you got access to glowmaps or the like? I'd guess that the example is basically the mesh / skeleton, combined with the basic textures and animated, but either the lighting is really weird or Garrus' visor does not shine blue

Modifié par Seleya_LL, 01 mai 2012 - 12:11 .

[ElectricZ]

potsi1711 wrote...

Maybe I am a little bias here, but it
seems to me that the people who are most upset about the endings are the
people who romanced Garrus in the ME2/ME3. I know the disappointment
extends out to a lot of people who played the game differently
(especially those who were maleshep and romanced Tali or Liara), but,
from what appears on deviantart, fanfiction.net and the retake ME3
facebook page, there is a huge number of pro Garrus/Femshep fanarts.

Is
it because those who romanced Garrus were more invested in their happy
ending? Or is it simply because fangirls are more apt to make
fanart/fanfiction and post it? I personally think it may be both.

There may be a skew towards females in Garrus fandom for the same reason that there is a skew of males for Tali fandom - each represent the primary love interest for a heterosexual Shep of the opposite sex. I think if you look outside that sample, though, you'll find disappointment with the endings in any of the fan groups. Just take a scan at any of the character threads and you'll find a lot of unhappy people. I think Rilan pretty much nailed it on the head. I'm a guy whose maleshep hooked up with Tali (though after the 3rd game he wanted to slap the mask off of her for not standing up to the admiralty board when they attacked the geth. Again.) and I have all the same complaints she had.

Gender/LI issues don't play into it nearly as much as disappointment as to how the whole ME story arc ended.