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[Karrie788]

You do realize I love you forever for this?

[Pyn]

Argraharg wrote...

Seleya_LL wrote...

Saren cameo in ME3 - interesting thought. Actually, having him appear in one of the nightmare / wood-of-the-dead sequences would have had potential.

Yeah. Suddenly Saren appears from nowhere and necklifts the struggling Shepard. "Is not obedience preferable to extinction?" He asks. "You are dead Saren. This is just my fear talking." Shepard replies defiantely. "Of course it is Shepard. You are becomming me." Saren replies before dropping Shepard to the ground and walking away.

GIMP,  not perfect but...

[Mr Heatsink]

Hey all there. Been a while since I was around but it seems that the thead is still very much alive. Anyways, I wanted to pass this along. I was playing LA Noire this evening and I was playing Vice case 5 Manifest Destiny, and so my brother entered the room and said, "Oh thats Garrus." I happened to be talking to a cop called Harold Caldwell and so I checked the manuel and sure enough it was Brandon Keener that did the voice of Officer Harold Caldwell. Thought I'd better pass that along and see what madness I can create with this fact.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Pyn wrote...


GIMP,  not perfect but...

Ooooh, very nice and creepy.  I also wish we could've heard Nihlus's voice during the dream sequences.  And why wasn't he on the memorial wall?

[Madds17]

Karrie788 wrote...

You do realize I love you forever for this?!

 <3

[kglaser]

Seleya_LL wrote...

Alanosborn1991 wrote...

Story related questions for all of you when it comes to Garrus romance.

When Garrus says he knows where you sleep after curing Genophage what does that mean for your Shepard?

1. Of course he knows where she sleeps - he spends every night there. Probably brings her breakfast, too.

I have to know...is that a Garrus-romance specific line, or does he say it under other circumstances?  Because if so, I don't think they should have made his tone of voice sound so...mmmm...

[ThatDancingTurian]

I'm pretty sure it's romance-only. I didn't mind Garrus' tone, but I didn't like Shepard's. She sounded too hard and cold in that convo.

After hearing that I expected Garrus to be the one to come into her quarters afterwards. I was disappointed to say the least when it turned out to be Liara.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 07 mai 2012 - 03:40 .

[kglaser]

Liara was all over you like blue on berries in ME3...not exactly what I wanted, although I kinda get it..

[Pyn]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Pyn wrote...


GIMP,  not perfect but...

Ooooh, very nice and creepy.  I also wish we could've heard Nihlus's voice during the dream sequences.  And why wasn't he on the memorial wall?

yeah... woulda been a bit better...

I shall only play/contine my ME3 to get screenshots so I can do things similar to above...

Modifié par Pyn, 07 mai 2012 - 04:27 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

kglaser wrote...

Liara was all over you like blue on berries in ME3...not exactly what I wanted, although I kinda get it..

I get that not all NPCs are created equal; some are more plot important (Liara), guaranteed to be alive in everyone's games (EDI), or generally outside player control (Anderson).  It makes sense to use those characters to dispense important dialogues and interaction since they're in everyone's game, and if every character was tied to a million variables, the devs would have a much harder time on their hands.

But that doesn't mean everyone has to like the more plot-centric/permanent characters, and I think the devs lost sight of that in ME3.  DA2 in my opinion handled the situation perfectly.  Varric narrates everyone's game, and Anders' plot events happen in everyone's game.  Aside from that, the player decides the interaction with those characters.  For example, most people are epic bros with Varric, but the game's plot doesn't FORCE you down that path like it does with Liara and even Garrus in ME3.  

[Seleya_LL]

Thanks for the great Saren picture! That would have been a real nightmare, not that creepy why-the-hell-does-a-renegade-Shepard-even-care child scene.

About the "I know where you sleep" line: As far as I know, it is romance-only. My former-Jacob-now-Kaidan-Shepard got something along the line "I'll make sure Joker does not launch another suicide mission". Shepard's response is different, too. Romance-version is about "If you insist", non-romance "You tell me if anything happens".

Liara and her forced friendship: I have got one Shepard who (role-playing related) does not like Asari in general and is therefore not on best terms with Liara. If you take renegade answers and ignore Liara as often as you can, then I am pretty sure the "time capsula" scene is skipped completely. The post-Mars dialogue is obviously unavoidable, the dialogues regarding the Salarian Councillor and the mission to the monastery on Lesuss still happen, but with Aethyta and Liara, the "pants on fire" comment is missing as well. The presidium 'date' is available later on, though I can't say if starting a romance is possible with a relatively low relationship score. The mind-melding at the end, in London, is missing, too - she just asks if there are any last words of encouragement.
In short: You can't avoid Liara, but you can avoid her friendship. In that case, it is more a working-oriented relationship, forced by the Reaper invasion. I'd guess it is similar for Garrus, but I can't say for sure. But the turian is not forced on anyone who played the other parts of the saga - there's always the suicide mission in ME2.

@Karrie788: You are welcome. Didn't know your favourite planet / background for a happy end, but I thought visiting Tuchanka or Rannoch to say hello to Wrex or Tali would always be a nice idea
Out of curiosity: What's your position on possible adoption of human children or Miranda-style / "Asari reproduction" children for Shepard?

Modifié par Seleya_LL, 07 mai 2012 - 08:39 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Seleya_LL wrote...
In short: You can't avoid Liara, but you can avoid her friendship. In that case, it is more a working-oriented relationship, forced by the Reaper invasion. I'd guess it is similar for Garrus, but I can't say for sure. But the turian is not forced on anyone who played the other parts of the saga - there's always the suicide mission in ME2.

Perhaps I should clarify: if Garrus survives the suicide mission in ME2, ME3 (at least as far as I can tell) automatically assumes a friendship relationship with Shep.  It's not a bad assumption, but considering how easy it is to keep most of the party alive unless you're being purposely dense, I found it a bit odd.  Zaeed survived my Collector base, and I wouldn't exactly call us friends <_<

However, I didn't know it was possible to have a more professional relationship with Liara.  Still, a lot of players like to talk to party members at every opportunity at least to see their dialogue, even for party members they don't particularly like.  I know I fall into that category.  Do you just have to outright avoid Liara, or are Renegade dialogue options enough to avoid her friendship?

[Seleya_LL]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

However, I didn't know it was possible to have a more professional relationship with Liara.  Still, a lot of players like to talk to party members at every opportunity at least to see their dialogue, even for party members they don't particularly like.  I know I fall into that category.  Do you just have to outright avoid Liara, or are Renegade dialogue options enough to avoid her friendship?

Can't really say, since I avoided Liara where I could and used Renegade dialogue in most other cases. So both were true in that case. And it was for that single Shepard only, I am not about to repeat that playthrough... It felt too strange, not talking to a squad member I like in general. Just thought about the "time capsula" scene again, by the way: If you avoid talking to her, you don't get her "I have got something I want to show you" dialogue, so that scene is never triggered. Suppose that's the reason I didn't get it, not a relationship-related variable.

[Karrie788]

@Seleya: My favorite planet (at least in ME3) is Rannoch, so it's perfect.
I can't see Lexie pregnant (if she can avoid it she will) so no Miranda-style/"Asari reproduction" type babies. Besides I personally think it would be pushing the limit too far.
I can picture her going crazy about a cute little baby in an orphanage and quickly deciding to adopt him/her.

I ignored Liara almost completely in my second playthrough (Lexane never forgave her for giving her body to Cerberus) and aside from the two unavoidable cabin visits (which I can live with, she came to visit for professional reasons and I can reject her attemps to comfort me anyway), she left me alone.

She still felt a little forced on me, but it was bearable (until Thessia. I hate the fact everybody asks me to go see her after Thessia. We. Are. Not. Friends). However I still think that it sucks you have to avoid a character not to become friends with him/her. That applies to Liara, but also to Garrus. In ME1 you could be awful to everyone. It was awesome.

Modifié par Karrie788, 07 mai 2012 - 09:01 .

[Armdin]

Karrie788 wrote...

@Seleya: My favorite planet (at least in ME3) is Rannoch, so it's perfect.
I can't see Lexie pregnant (if she can avoid it she will) so no Miranda-style/"Asari reproduction" type babies. Besides I personally think it would be pushing the limit too far.
I can picture her going crazy about a cute little baby in an orphanage and quickly deciding to adopt him/her.

I ignored Liara almost completely in my second playthrough (Lexane never forgave her for giving her body to Cerberus) and aside from the two unavoidable cabin visits (which I can live with, she came to visit for professional reasons and I can reject her attemps to comfort me anyway), she left me alone.

She still felt a little forced on me, but it was bearable (until Thessia. I hate the fact everybody asks me to go see her after Thessia. We. Are. Not. Friends). However I still think that it sucks you have to avoid a character not to become friends with him/her. That applies to Liara, but also to Garrus. In ME1 you could be awful to everyone. It was awesome.

I haven't finished ME1, but that's what surprised me the most so far. You can be really racist and evil if you want too, it was certainly dulled down in the latter 2 games. So while I fully intend to utilize this with Liara as much as I can, I admit to having to reload my game a few times when I noticed my Shepard starting to be mean to Garrus with Paragon options :|

[Sable Rhapsody]

Karrie788 wrote...
She still felt a little forced on me, but it was bearable (until Thessia. I hate the fact everybody asks me to go see her after Thessia. We. Are. Not. Friends).

<mini-rant>

I'm sorry, but I hated everything about Thessia.  Everything from the level design to the stupid Kai Leng excuse for a fight to the aftermath.  Sure, I was pissed about losing the Crucible data as was my Shep, but everyone seemed to think Shep was supposed to feel bad about Thessia's fall.  Um, did the mission parameters change when I wasn't looking?  Was I supposed to singlehandedly smash every Reaper on that damn planet?

Earth, Palaven, Kar'Shan, Irune, and Dekuuna had already fallen by that point, and Sur'Kesh, Tuchanka, and Kahje were really feeling the heat.  Sorry, asari, you're not special.  I have a hard time feeling bad for you guys losing your homeworld when you damn well deserved it after sitting on the sidelines twiddling your pretty blue thumbs. 

</rant>

[Pyn]

Seleya_LL wrote...

Thanks for the great Saren picture! That would have been a real nightmare, not that creepy why-the-hell-does-a-renegade-Shepard-even-care child scene.

No problem.

yeah, and for my fshep who's more so renegade, human child she don't care (earthborn/ruthless) but if it was turian child, well... those 'nightmare' scenes either containing turian child, saren, or LI garrus woulda been better... (for my shep at least)



wasn't hard to edit that image, me3 background added a li'l gimp noise, with saren pic cutout played with brightness/contrast, feather 2-3, invert gaussian blur (1), invert, brightness/contrast, placed, done.
may have had to resize one or both a bit before they worked out...

was helpful that ME1 Saren Eden Prime screenshot had just the right lighting/coloring, gimp's brightness/contrast fixed it just enough to match that screenshot perfectly...

[eshrafel]

Armdin wrote...
I admit to having to reload my game a few times when I noticed my Shepard starting to be mean to Garrus with Paragon options :|

Bloody dialogue wheel. I can't seriously believe that people don't want to just "read" a line of text these days and pick from a list. Obviously you could say that the writers didn't do a good job of conveying what the magic wheel option intended, but when you have 1-3 words to represent a paragraph -- especially given the amount of subsequent auto-dialogue in ME3 -- it's sometimes just not possible.

[Niostang]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
<mini-rant>

I'm sorry, but I hated everything about Thessia.  Everything from the level design to the stupid Kai Leng excuse for a fight to the aftermath.  Sure, I was pissed about losing the Crucible data as was my Shep, but everyone seemed to think Shep was supposed to feel bad about Thessia's fall.  Um, did the mission parameters change when I wasn't looking?  Was I supposed to singlehandedly smash every Reaper on that damn planet?

Earth, Palaven, Kar'Shan, Irune, and Dekuuna had already fallen by that point, and Sur'Kesh, Tuchanka, and Kahje were really feeling the heat.  Sorry, asari, you're not special.  I have a hard time feeling bad for you guys losing your homeworld when you damn well deserved it after sitting on the sidelines twiddling your pretty blue thumbs. 

</rant>

God yes this. Why in the hell was I supposed to feel bad about Thessia's fall? Like somehow I was personally responsible for it? Like it was my failure alone? "Yo bloobies, take your pretty little planet and get in the sad line behind, y'know, everyone else whose planet has been flattened for a while now."

I am so glad this ticked someone else off.

[eshrafel]

Niostang wrote...
Why in the hell was I supposed to feel bad about Thessia's fall?

I didn't feel much about Thessia either. You'd never been there before. You don't even know that much about it. In fact, it's exactly the same about Earth. You've not seen it in game, and the "Earthborn" background actually depicts it as kind of nasty. Take Earth Back! Oh, alright, I guess I have to then.

Now the Citadel -- I really thought that was awesome. I care about *that*.

[EnvyTB075]

Spirits.....been reading the fic "The Spirit of Redemption", sequel to "The Spirit of Truth", and im at Chapter 11 while listening to this...

I cannot express in words what i felt. These fics are really really really really well written, despite obviously being made before ME3 came around (better ending scenario too imo). Seriously, read them.


Regarding Priority: Thessia, the only time when my emotional strings were tugged was when the screams came over the radio as the Capital class ship came down. Now when it comes down to it i don't see each species seperately, in the end they're people (differentiating otherwise, to me, is like going back to apartheid). If this had been done on any of the other planets, my reaction would be the same.

That said, i don't know why Thessia was chosen as the emotion-tug moment. And don't get me starting on the idiocy that is Kai Leng and the Phantoms.....whoever thought they were a good idea deserves to be slapped....bloody space ninjas....

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 07 mai 2012 - 11:31 .

[Karrie788]

Niostang wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
<mini-rant>

I'm sorry, but I hated everything about Thessia.  Everything from the level design to the stupid Kai Leng excuse for a fight to the aftermath.  Sure, I was pissed about losing the Crucible data as was my Shep, but everyone seemed to think Shep was supposed to feel bad about Thessia's fall.  Um, did the mission parameters change when I wasn't looking?  Was I supposed to singlehandedly smash every Reaper on that damn planet?

Earth, Palaven, Kar'Shan, Irune, and Dekuuna had already fallen by that point, and Sur'Kesh, Tuchanka, and Kahje were really feeling the heat.  Sorry, asari, you're not special.  I have a hard time feeling bad for you guys losing your homeworld when you damn well deserved it after sitting on the sidelines twiddling your pretty blue thumbs. 

</rant>

God yes this. Why in the hell was I supposed to feel bad about Thessia's fall? Like somehow I was personally responsible for it? Like it was my failure alone? "Yo bloobies, take your pretty little planet and get in the sad line behind, y'know, everyone else whose planet has been flattened for a while now."

I am so glad this ticked someone else off.

This +2.

I thought I was biased, but I'm glad to see I'm not the only one. I think the Thessia situation is the most obvious example of how Bioware is desperately trying to sell their own version of Shepard rather than letting us decide how he/she feels. I get that they were trying to make him/her more human, but I think they forgot that the person they should try to get emotional is not Shepard, but the player.

I don't care about the asari. Or, rather, I don't care about them more than I cared about the turians, the salarians, the krogan, the humans, hell, even the batarians. They brought this on themselves. Why should I feel awful for them when I have no opportunity to show how bad I feel for the others?

Plus the concept of their race is silly anyway

[Armdin]

eshrafel wrote...

Bloody dialogue wheel. I can't seriously believe that people don't want to just "read" a line of text these days and pick from a list. Obviously you could say that the writers didn't do a good job of conveying what the magic wheel option intended, but when you have 1-3 words to represent a paragraph -- especially given the amount of subsequent auto-dialogue in ME3 -- it's sometimes just not possible.

I always read the dialogue wheel, but something that does my headin with Mass Effect and Dragon Age 2 is what you see and what gets said can be two completely different things. At least in Dragon Age Origins the player's character was always silent so you could believe what was displayed was what was actually said, but that's not the case with with ME and DA2.

The most recent experiance I can say is during Zaeed's loyalty mission in ME2; "He sounds dangerous." somehow conveyed to {Paraphrase} "We need to kill this dude." {/Paraphrase}  Err, what? That's not what I picked!

And there are even worse examples than that. Sometimes all 3 dialogue options look off (and I found this with Garrus' dialogue options), and I go for the Paragon because that usually means something nice is said, but again - not always the case.

Modifié par Armdin, 07 mai 2012 - 01:22 .

[Seleya_LL]

Niostang wrote...

Why in the hell was I supposed to feel bad about Thessia's fall? Like somehow I was personally responsible for it? Like it was my failure alone?

Agreed. My Shepard is certainly not feeling personally guilty for the fall of Thessia. The planet was already lost when the Normandy entered orbit. Rather, my Shepard was desparate about having lost an important fight, for the very first time. Sure, the Normandy SR-1 went down, but with dying and being revived, Shepard had not much time to dwell on it. And it was simply one ship. This time, with the Prothean VI, it is literally the last hope for the current cycle which has slipped through Shepard's hands. That's why my Shepard was upset, and I don't really care if Bioware intends to tell me otherwise.

Anyway, Kai Leng was simply another bug. Quite sure about that. Shepard, a very angry asari and a protective turian against a sword-using half-cyborg? Seriously?!

[Sialater]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...
She still felt a little forced on me, but it was bearable (until Thessia. I hate the fact everybody asks me to go see her after Thessia. We. Are. Not. Friends).

<mini-rant>

I'm sorry, but I hated everything about Thessia.  Everything from the level design to the stupid Kai Leng excuse for a fight to the aftermath.  Sure, I was pissed about losing the Crucible data as was my Shep, but everyone seemed to think Shep was supposed to feel bad about Thessia's fall.  Um, did the mission parameters change when I wasn't looking?  Was I supposed to singlehandedly smash every Reaper on that damn planet?

Earth, Palaven, Kar'Shan, Irune, and Dekuuna had already fallen by that point, and Sur'Kesh, Tuchanka, and Kahje were really feeling the heat.  Sorry, asari, you're not special.  I have a hard time feeling bad for you guys losing your homeworld when you damn well deserved it after sitting on the sidelines twiddling your pretty blue thumbs. 

</rant>

This.  So much this.

And then, Shepard and Garrus are being overly consoling about Thessia.  Yes, she comforted both after Palaven and Earth, but seriously, in the middle of the fracking mission acting like she's the only one who watched her home planet burn?  

Argh.  ToP


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Modifié par Sialater, 07 mai 2012 - 02:19 .