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[ThatDancingTurian]

DiabolicReality wrote...

Turians are further evolved socially than humans. It makes no sense that they would still have the 'bite partner to hold them still during sex' instinct.

I feel that way too, that if anything turians are more civilized than humans. They may be brutal in wartime, but that brutality doesn't come from a feral place as it does with krogan, if anything they are comparatively, coldly logical when it comes to battle. And given that they don't seem to have the same kind of traditional gender roles as humans, having the male be particularly dominant seems less likely, so having the male bite the female as an instinctual part of sex doesn't make sense to me.

Whenever I see a fic with the bestial Garrus, I find it funny to imagine it reversed, with him having the occasional random thoughts of Shepard as a ravenous woman-beast.

Karrie788 wrote...

I just watched Avengers (and enjoyed it a lot). Now I can't get that image of Hawkeye-Garrus out of my head. Thanks a lot.

You're welcome! ;D

I won't say anything spoilery, but I was prepared to dislike Hawkeye. He just seemed hopelessly outmatched. His 'superpower' is being able to shoot an arrow really accurately, I mean, seriously? I thought, "Go home and leave it to the grown-ups." But then as it went on, he grew on me. Now I kind of love him. And then I realized that if Garrus were anyone in the Avengers he'd be Hawkeye, and not just because he's a crack shot.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 20 mai 2012 - 09:59 .

[flippedeclipse]

Won't lie, when I first started reading Shep/Garrus I liked the idea, but I didn't really understand Garrus' character then. Then I realized he's too much of a softie to hurt Shep like that =P.

Not to mention, it felt like the whole idea was straight out of Twilight.

[Karrie788]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...
Whenever I see a fic with the bestial Garrus, I find it funny to imagine it reversed, with him having the occasional random thoughts of Shepard as a ravenous woman-beast.

... oddly enough, that I can somehow picture.

Somehow.

[DiabolicReality]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

DiabolicReality wrote...

Turians are further evolved socially than humans. It makes no sense that they would still have the 'bite partner to hold them still during sex' instinct.

I feel that way too, that if anything turians are more civilized than humans. They may be brutal in wartime, but that brutality doesn't come from a feral place as it does with krogan, if anything they are comparatively, coldly logical when it comes to battle. And given that they don't seem to have the same kind of traditional gender roles as humans, having the male be particularly dominant seems less likely, so having the male bite the female as an instinctual part of sex doesn't make sense to me.

Exactly. Just because they don't happen to be humans doesn't make them feral beasts.

And yeah, I'm willing to bet that turians don't have any gender roles at all seeing how every turian goes into the military, and the fact that their society is built around that military. If it is true that they have very little sexual dimorphism as well, that only furthens the lack of gender roles seeing how they'd all be naturally equal in physical prowess, speed and endurance.

[Seleya_LL]

Karrie788 wrote...

DiabolicReality wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

So I watched Avengers yesterday. I really need me some Garrus-dressed-as-Hawkeye fanart. xD

flippedeclipse wrote...

I've tried to get into that story before, but the hybrid children at the end of the first one made me lose interest.

I had the same problem. It also includes my other least favorite turian fanfic trope, the 'turians are uncontrollable animals in bed' trope.

...and here is the other thing that makes a fic a no-go for me.
Agreed +9000

Same here! No offense to people who like that sort of thing, it's a no-go for me. I can't see it.

*asks to join the "Agreed!" club*

Not specifically tied to "Spirit of Redemption", since I can't say for sure if it was a "problem" there, but I can't get into stories with a strong author-based bias against certain characters or whole species, either. Kaidan or others being a bit of a jerk now and then? No problem, as long as they are allowed to "come to their senses" some time later. But writing major or minor characters into would-be-assassins, sudden traitors or similar tends to kill a story for me.

Thanks for the Garrus-related links!

@Karrie: Role-playing is really a question of personal style or believes, I suppose ^^
Paragon, renegade, or in-between, I can't see a Shepard who calls Garrus "friend" to completely ignore either his wish or a chance to stir him onto a healthier path. A not-caring Shepard who chose to ignore him in ME and who doesn't give a damn on what this turian sniper guy and Ex-Archangel wants, yeah - but he / she would certainly not be Garrus's friend.

Edit: @Sialater / Meghan: Nice to see another beautiful Shepard
Though I don't really get what's the problem with the screenshots. Technical reasons, or a case of "friend does not want to"? There can't be enough Presidium date kiss screenshots 

Modifié par Seleya_LL, 20 mai 2012 - 10:29 .

[Karrie788]

Seleya_LL wrote...

@Karrie: Role-playing is really a question of personal style or believes, I suppose ^^
Paragon, renegade, or in-between, I can't see a Shepard who calls Garrus "friend" to completely ignore either his wish or a chance to stir him onto a healthier path. A not-caring Shepard who chose to ignore him in ME and who doesn't give a damn on what this turian sniper guy and Ex-Archangel wants, yeah - but he / she would certainly not be Garrus's friend.

I agree. The way I saw it with Jane though, is that she thought nothing good could come out of helping him hunt down Sidonis because revenge is baaad, and that he'd come around eventually. In short, she thought she was helping and thus made a fatal mistake, losing a dear friend in the process.

She's even more stubborn than my other Shepards, and although she's the nicest by far (she basically loves *everybody*), she also has to face consequences from being *that* stubborn.

Makes sense, hopefully?

But you're right, roleplaying is very personal.

[EnvyTB075]

I like the biting...

And yes i know i'm practically drooling over it, but it really is well written. Spirit of Truth, prequel to Redemption

Niostang wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Eurgh, Spirit of Redemption is breaking my heart....

I'm up to chapter 122. Where are you in the story?

106.....what happened to Rel....

DiabolicReality wrote...

Turians
are further evolved socially than humans. It makes no sense that they
would still have the 'bite partner to hold them still during sex'
instinct.

1. As explained in that reality, thats only during Estrus, not all the fun times involved the control bite. Its an AU to an extent, so i'm relativly indifferent.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 20 mai 2012 - 10:47 .

[ThatDancingTurian]

My main Shep is a full, saintly Paragon (and also named Jane, funny that) and she went through with Garrus' LM with full intent to talk him out of it. She knew he needed the closure but she wasn't ever going to let him kill Sidonis. She's kind of presumptuous that way, thinking she can solve everybody's problems. xD

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 20 mai 2012 - 10:57 .

[Karrie788]

I find the name Jane incredibly pretty. She was my first Shep, actually, I didn't even try to come up with a new name when I saw Jane was the default one.

Then I created Lexie with the intent of making her a full Renegade , made her a Paragade instead (I'm too much of a softie) and fell completely in love with her character. So long Jane. Well, until now.

Guess my Jane's just stupider. XD

Modifié par Karrie788, 20 mai 2012 - 11:01 .

[ThatDancingTurian]

Karrie788 wrote...

I find the name Jane incredibly pretty. She was my first Shep, actually, I didn't even try to come up with a new name when I saw Jane was the default one.

Then I created Lexie with the intent of making her a full Renegade , made her a Paragade instead (I'm too much of a softie) and fell completely in love with her character. So long Jane. Well, until now.

Guess my Jane's just stupider. XD

I did the same thing! I usually like coming up with my own names just like I always make custom faces, I rarely choose the default in either case. but then I looked at her and she was such a Jane.

I wasn't trying to insinuate that my Shep's decision was any smarter, I just thought it was funny we both played mega-Paragons named Jane, yet they both came to such different conclusions.

I always play pure 'good' the first time on any game, I just like it best. Still, I kind of see Paragon as a little... pious, I guess? My Shepard always does the right thing, but the other side to that is she always thinks she knows better what the right thing is. She's like the nosy big sister that never lets you work through your own stuff, she's got to needle you about what you should do. xD

[Karrie788]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

I did the same thing! I usually like coming up with my own names just like I always make custom faces, I rarely choose the default in either case. but then I looked at her and she was such a Jane.

I wasn't trying to insinuate that my Shep's decision was any smarter, I just thought it was funny we both played mega-Paragons named Jane, yet they both came to such different conclusions.

I always play pure 'good' the first time on any game, I just like it best. Still, I kind of see Paragon as a little... pious, I guess? My Shepard always does the right thing, but the other side to that is she always thinks she knows better what the right thing is. She's like the nosy big sister that never lets you work through your own stuff, she's got to needle you about what you should do. xD

Sorry, I didn't mean it that way. It is funny, and refreshing to see there are very different ways to play a character with supposedly the same "psychological" profile.

What I meant is that I do think my Jane's a bit stupid sometimes. At the very least, waaaay too idealistic, sometimes even judgemental (in a big sister kinda way as well). I don't like playing perfect characters (I get bored easily) and she was so sweet and caring with everybody, I had to give her a few flaws.

With Lexane, I had no trouble finding her flaws at all. She's an emotional mess.

[DiabolicReality]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

DiabolicReality wrote...

Turians
are further evolved socially than humans. It makes no sense that they
would still have the 'bite partner to hold them still during sex'
instinct.

1. As explained in that reality, thats only during Estrus, not all the fun times involved the control bite. Its an AU to an extent, so i'm relativly indifferent.

I have no idea what you are talking about, but 'control bite' is making me want to punch puppies.

I also don't like AUs that are written for the sole purpose of changing a universe/species/character for your tastes so you can rewrite them like you want.

I like turians as they are in Mass Effect. That's how turians are and act.

[Seleya_LL]

Karrie788 wrote...

I agree. The way I saw it with Jane though, is that she thought nothing good could come out of helping him hunt down Sidonis because revenge is baaad, and that he'd come around eventually. In short, she thought she was helping and thus made a fatal mistake, losing a dear friend in the process.

She's even more stubborn than my other Shepards, and although she's the nicest by far (she basically loves *everybody*), she also has to face consequences from being *that* stubborn.

Makes sense, hopefully?

But you're right, roleplaying is very personal.

Well, I won't say "yeah, Jane's behaviour makes sense", because it equals "Garrus dead", and I don't want that statement to make sense in any universe around.
But it makes sense what you are saying, yes
I simply agree with Aris Ravenstar on the idea that Shepard wanted to talk him out of it from the beginning and believed she would be able to do so.

Still, for curiosity's sake: When your Shepard did not trust Garrus to change his mind about Sidonis, to the point where she would not even try to make him see sense, why does she trust him to lead the second team? When the only "personal" things he has said to her in ME2, aside from "I love this rifle", are basically "I blame myself for the death of my men", "diplomacy is overrated" or "killing is the best way to solve problems", my Shepards would not see him being rational or calm enough to be a leader. Or to watch her back during the final fight. Since they would never ask him to do tech jobs with Tali or Legion around (who both have the letters EXPERT right on their helmet / metal), Garrus would probably live even if my Shepards chose to ignore the mission.
No insult of your Jane intended - as you said, personal decisions
Though I like Lexane better. And that may be a very minor understatement.

Edit - above: Please, have mercy with the puppies...
The great thing about fanfiction is that people can read it, but don't have to do it. For me (again, personal), ignorance very often is bliss indeed.

Modifié par Seleya_LL, 20 mai 2012 - 11:26 .

[Karrie788]

Seleya_LL wrote...

Still, for curiosity's sake: When your Shepard did not trust Garrus to change his mind about Sidonis, to the point where she would not even try to make him see sense, why does she trust him to lead the second team? When the only "personal" things he has said to her in ME2, aside from "I love this rifle", are basically "I blame myself for the death of my men", "diplomacy is overrated" or "killing is the best way to solve problems", my Shepards would not see him being rational or calm enough to be a leader. Or to watch her back during the final fight. Since they would never ask him to do tech jobs with Tali or Legion around (who both have the letters EXPERT right on their helmet / metal), Garrus would probably live even if my Shepards chose to ignore the mission.
No insult of your Jane intended - as you said, personal decisions
Though I like Lexane better. And that may be a very minor understatement. 

Because as I said, I do believe my little Jane can be pretty foolish and very idealistic. Her believes simply made her stand her ground, no, she wasn't going to help Garrus get his revenge in any way since she wasn't sure she would be able to talk him out of it. Same happened with Jack: she didn't think blowing up a deserted facility would help in any way so they didn't go to Pragia. (Jack lived, though... I guess she's dying in ME3, I'll have to wait and see)
And somehow, I guess she trusted him too much. She trusted him to come around on his own and overcome his feelings towards his failure as Archangel and focus on the mission. And she knows he can be a good leader.
In short, Jane thinks she's an expert in psychology and fails epicly. But if it makes you feel any better, losing Garrus completely destroyed her and I'm not playing her the same way now than I was in 1 and 2. She's devoured by guilt in ME3. That's why it's actually hard to play - she's just depressing now.

I obviously like Lexane a lot more as well. Short temper, heart of gold hidden behind a constant stern face, can't help running away whenever she feels uncomfortable with her feelings, lousy dancer and flirter, and red hair. She's just so enjoyable to roleplay.

Modifié par Karrie788, 20 mai 2012 - 11:36 .

[Armdin]

Can't remember if this has been uploaded here already, but thought it was worth a share anyway.
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[EnvyTB075]

DiabolicReality wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

DiabolicReality wrote...

Turians
are further evolved socially than humans. It makes no sense that they
would still have the 'bite partner to hold them still during sex'
instinct.

1. As explained in that reality, thats only during Estrus, not all the fun times involved the control bite. Its an AU to an extent, so i'm relativly indifferent.

I have no idea what you are talking about, but 'control bite' is making me want to punch puppies.

I also don't like AUs that are written for the sole purpose of changing a universe/species/character for your tastes so you can rewrite them like you want.

I like turians as they are in Mass Effect. That's how turians are and act.

Suit yourself, not trying to make a fight.

[kglaser]

1. Re: "The Avengers", when Nick Fury hung up on the Council, I lol'd. Also, when they were talking about how hard iridium was to find, I leaned over and whispered to my son, who knows I've been ME2 planet-scanning for the last week, "I've got plenty...they can have some of mine" lol

2. My fav. Garrusmance pre-Omega 4 story might be "A Night To Remember". No biting, either.

[ThatDancingTurian]

kglaser wrote...

1. Re: "The Avengers", when Nick Fury hung up on the Council, I lol'd. Also, when they were talking about how hard iridium was to find, I leaned over and whispered to my son, who knows I've been ME2 planet-scanning for the last week, "I've got plenty...they can have some of mine" lol

SO glad I wasn't the only one who thought of planet scanning during the iridium thing! xD

Y'know, the thought of Garrus as Hawkeye led me to imagine other BioWare boys as Avengers, and I realized... I don't think we've ever had a Tony Stark love interest. Why have we not had a Tony Stark love interest? I don't like smarmy, egotistical a**holes all of the time, but it would be a fun change. The closest I can think of is Varric, but he's not an LI. /ot

EDIT: Oh man, I just found this on tumblr.


Source

Leg spurs have such fabulous uses.

EDIT2: Sunday is now my favorite day of the week.


Source

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 21 mai 2012 - 05:03 .

[Garnet]

kglaser wrote...

1. Re: "The Avengers", when Nick Fury hung up on the Council, I lol'd. Also, when they were talking about how hard iridium was to find, I leaned over and whispered to my son, who knows I've been ME2 planet-scanning for the last week, "I've got plenty...they can have some of mine" lol

2. My fav. Garrusmance pre-Omega 4 story might be "A Night To Remember". No biting, either.

Lol! Yes. I leaned over to my boyfriend and air quoted at him when they were being jerks.
He's the one that made me start playing the ME series and now I won't stop obsessing over Garrus.

On the biting, I never really understood where/why that originated. I'm not really into the idea that Garrus is an uncontrollable lustmonster. He has more class than that. I can see how he would be frustrated/angry during ME2's plot and I understand why the fanfic writers go with it, (more drama), but I don't think he'd go into a blackout rage like in some of the fics I've seen. I think angry Garrus could be implimented without so much blood.
I also hate the nickname shakarian ...I realized recently that it's because it reminds me of "Shakira" *gag* I don't mean to offend if you're a fan. I have very different taste in music. Mind you, I never like it when people mash couple names together.

Modifié par xGarnetx, 21 mai 2012 - 05:44 .

[Janus Prospero]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

I had the same problem. It also includes my other least favorite turian fanfic trope, the 'turians are uncontrollable animals in bed' trope.

I don't mind the biting thing, it doesn't necessarily have to be about dominance or anything other than it feels good.

Out of all the fanfictions I've read, I really like the way turian sexual behavior is described in Worst Case Scenario, where they are very attentitive to their partner's needs. It's just great juxtaposition with Saren, who is fairly self serving in every other regard.

[alyxor]

xGarnetx wrote...

kglaser wrote...

1. Re: "The Avengers", when Nick Fury hung up on the Council, I lol'd. Also, when they were talking about how hard iridium was to find, I leaned over and whispered to my son, who knows I've been ME2 planet-scanning for the last week, "I've got plenty...they can have some of mine" lol

2. My fav. Garrusmance pre-Omega 4 story might be "A Night To Remember". No biting, either.

Lol! Yes. I leaned over to my boyfriend and air quoted at him when they were being jerks.
He's the one that made me start playing the ME series and now I won't stop obsessing over Garrus.

On the biting, I never really understood where/why that originated. I'm not really into the idea that Garrus is an uncontrollable lustmonster. He has more class than that. I can see how he would be frustrated/angry during ME2's plot and I understand why the fanfic writers go with it, (more drama), but I don't think he'd go into a blackout rage like in some of the fics I've seen. I think angry Garrus could be implimented without so much blood.
I also hate the nickname shakarian ...I realized recently that it's because it reminds me of "Shakira" *gag* I don't mean to offend if you're a fan. I have very different taste in music. Mind you, I never like it when people mash couple names together.

Someone a few pages back also mentioned "Sharrus", though that sounds like "Sharon".

To be fair, I didn't really think about Garrus and Shepard's literal, physical coupling until I wandered around here for many, many pages. I cringed a little the first few times Shepard kissed Garrus in-game, and I actually really liked the way they handled their romantic night-before ****-hits-the-fan in the final game.

Some of Garrus' appeal is the opposite of being exotic. It's because he's your best friend. He accepts you no matter what, has your back, and he doesn't even worship the ground you walk on or follow you blindly. Nothing about their relationship seems forced (especially compared the frantic 'I love you' treatment that got painted on Ashley in her final bedroom scene, or that awkward way you couldn't get Femshep to STOP flirting with Jacob in ME2).


PS, I understand what you guys were saying about it being scary/depressing out there in the forums. I'll just stay here for a while. And don't get too disappointed in my shying away from the physical aspects of a Shepard-Garrus pairing. You jerks have me peeking at fanfiction now, anyways. (Even a piece of smut or two. Shh!)



Edit- I forgot a pronoun or an adjective, which made it unclear. Fixed.

Modifié par alyxor, 21 mai 2012 - 06:37 .

[Argraharg]

We haven't had any turian babies for a while.

[Seleya_LL]

alyxor wrote...

Some of Garrus' appeal is the opposite of being exotic. It's because he's your best friend. He accepts you no matter what, has your back, and he doesn't even worship the ground you walk on or follow you blindly. Nothing about their relationship seems forced (especially compared the frantic 'I love you' treatment that got painted on Ashley in her final bedroom scene, or that awkward way you couldn't get Femshep to STOP flirting with Jacob in ME2).

PS, I understand what you guys were saying about it being scary/depressing out there in the forums. I'll just stay here for a while. And don't get too disappointed in my shying away from the physical aspects of a Shepard-Garrus pairing. You jerks have me peeking at fanfiction now, anyways. (Even a piece of smut or two. Shh!)

Completely agreed.

And don't worry, there's a group of "xenoprudes" around who prefer hand-holding or head-bumping. Personally I like the in-game jokes about reach and flexibility, but I usually hide behind a blanket and skip whole screens of text if I happen to read any M-rated material where those "little performances" Garrus may mention in ME3 are described explicitely.

And to the picture above: More turian babies are always a good idea.

Modifié par Seleya_LL, 21 mai 2012 - 09:34 .

[Niostang]

kglaser wrote...

1. Re: "The Avengers", when Nick Fury hung up on the Council, I lol'd. Also, when they were talking about how hard iridium was to find, I leaned over and whispered to my son, who knows I've been ME2 planet-scanning for the last week, "I've got plenty...they can have some of mine" lol

2. My fav. Garrusmance pre-Omega 4 story might be "A Night To Remember". No biting, either.

Hahah yes! I leaned over and whispered to my ME playing friend and my sister "It's always the f***ing Council," and they both started nodding at me like fiercely swiped bobbleheads.

Have to say, I look at that particularly grabby turian baby and I feel like I'm looking out of the eyes of a stuffed animal that is about to get severely dragged about and loved for a few years, should it survive that long. It will also probably lose an eye. The baby is kind of cute though, in a mildly terrifying way.

Also: I totally want to pull on a turian's tongue now. Or stick a finger in the mouth of one mid-yawn (I do that to my cat). What can I say? I live dangerously

Modifié par Niostang, 21 mai 2012 - 10:04 .

[EnvyTB075]

Too funny!

"Antimatter Alcohol!"

"You're a female right? You got those funny bumps like those Asari!"

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 21 mai 2012 - 10:14 .