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[Deviant Ingredient]

flippedeclipse wrote...

Deviant Ingredient wrote...

flippedeclipse wrote...

I assumed that because the Citadel wasn't in complete pieces, she was still on there. Makes a little more sense to me than her falling through another atmosphere and somehow staying intact on the way down while not wearing a helmet.

Yeah, hopefully she's up there still, they can get the news of her survival out faster. Still wished Anderson survived... Poor Kahlee. ):

Agreed, Anderson was definitely one of my favourites. You know, that reminds me, I didn't get the dialogue from TIM where he says "I wish you could see [Earth] like I do, Shepard." Am I the only one who missed it?

And yes, txmn, I'll post a link on here when I finish it up tomorrow =)

Isn't that only if you shoot TIM instead of having him commit suicide?

Also if you pick destroy does anyone else like to imagine that news of Shepard's survival reached the Normandy before Garrus can put the plaque up?

[Seleya_LL]

flippedeclipse wrote...
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Agreed, Anderson was definitely one of my favourites. You know, that reminds me, I didn't get the dialogue from TIM where he says "I wish you could see [Earth] like I do, Shepard." Am I the only one who missed it?

And yes, txmn, I'll post a link on here when I finish it up tomorrow =)

If you are talking about TIM's final words (something about Earth and its beauty), the scene is different for high-morality paragon choices where he basically replays ME's ending.


SPOILER due to repeat of scene parts for questions / comments again:

About Anderson: Headcanon. And if his name on the Memorial Wall indicates that he's as dead as Shepard I'd say that Sanders doesn't have to worry.

And EDI and the geth again: Suppose Shepard sees EDI in a flashback, if you pick destroy, and Starchild tells her that synthetics will be destroyed? In other words, no other proof than Starchild's words and the visible effects of Starchild's words on the mind / imagination of Shepard?

[LilyasAvalon]

Okay, regarding EC, regardless of how you feel about it, you CANNOT deny that you FINALLY squeed when Shepard has Garrus sent back with the Normandy before the beam if not for the SOUL purpose of the fact he FINALLY said 'IT'.

[Arppis]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Okay, regarding EC, regardless of how you feel about it, you CANNOT deny that you FINALLY squeed when Shepard has Garrus sent back with the Normandy before the beam if not for the SOUL purpose of the fact he FINALLY said 'IT'.

*COUGH* ...*pst!*... it's err... "sole", not soul.

You are welcome.

[Janus Prospero]

Seleya_LL wrote...

And EDI and the geth again: Suppose Shepard sees EDI in a flashback, if you pick destroy, and Starchild tells her that synthetics will be destroyed? In other words, no other proof than Starchild's words and the visible effects of Starchild's words on the mind / imagination of Shepard?

If you pick Destroy, EDI's name appears on the Normandy Memorial Wall when your LI goes to put Shepard's name up. Unless you're going with Indoctrination Theory, in which case you could argue that's all in Shepard's mind.

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Okay, regarding EC, regardless of how you feel about it, you CANNOT deny that you FINALLY squeed when Shepard has Garrus sent back with the Normandy before the beam if not for the SOUL purpose of the fact he FINALLY said 'IT'.

OMG YES! The way his voice becomes a whisper and the delay before he says it.


Just got done playing through all the endings. The state of the mass relays and the fate of the Normandy crew were two of my biggest points of bitterness in the original cut. The fact that the EC goes out of its way to show that the galaxy isn't F'd and that the Normandy crew is OK makes me feel much much MUCH better. I'd say that they compromised on these points, but it's more like they left the camera on longer, and didn't leave certain things as open. Which in this case, works to its benefit.

Watching the Synthesis ending makes me feel pretty awful about picking Destroy though.

Modifié par Janus Prospero, 27 juin 2012 - 07:55 .

[Portia Cousland]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Okay, regarding EC, regardless of how you feel about it, you CANNOT deny that you FINALLY squeed when Shepard has Garrus sent back with the Normandy before the beam if not for the SOUL purpose of the fact he FINALLY said 'IT'.

Hi, I don't usually post in this thread but Garrus is my romance of choice. I actually cried when he said "You have got to be kidding me." He said it with such feeling... and then when he said IT, wow! I was so surprised by this scene I didn't record it - I plan on replaying retake Earth just so I can capture that moment <3

It's just amazing to me how well they developed his character and the romance. All my FSheps romance Kaidan in ME1 and most go for Garrus in ME2 and stay with him in ME3. I just can't choose Kaidan over Garrus, ever. 

[ThatDancingTurian]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Okay, regarding EC, regardless of how you feel about it, you CANNOT deny that you FINALLY squeed when Shepard has Garrus sent back with the Normandy before the beam if not for the SOUL purpose of the fact he FINALLY said 'IT'.

I have mixed feelings, actually.

For some reason I'm totally okay with LIs never saying 'it'. In fact, my favorite two BioWare LIs are Garrus and Fenris and neither ever said 'it' (at least up until now), but I loved them all the same because what they DID say was so unique to them and made the relationship feel all the more important because of that. I blame Westley from The Princess Bride. I like those guys that show rather than tell, I guess.

That said, I'm glad people who wanted 'it' got 'it'. I always knew he loved Shepard back but I can still be happy for her that she got to hear it out loud.

My favorite line of his evac was "And you've got to be kidding me." That was just so Garrus. <3

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 27 juin 2012 - 08:01 .

[-Skorpious-]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

I want to know if 'brokarian' gets its own evac sequence. I know James got one so obviously it's not romance-only.

Yes, he does. 

[ThatDancingTurian]

-Skorpious- wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

I want to know if 'brokarian' gets its own evac sequence. I know James got one so obviously it's not romance-only.

Yes, he does. 

Yeah, there was a link posted after I said that. It's so awesome. Shepard and Vakarian forever! ;_;

So far I've seen all the romance evacs plus Javik, James and Garrus' bromance one. EDI's the only one I haven't seen at all. I wonder how that would even work. "It's okay Shepard, I can still be of assistance. I just need to replace the hydraulics!"

[Sable Rhapsody]

Janus Prospero wrote...
Watching the Synthesis ending makes me feel pretty awful about picking Destroy though.

I dunno, no matter how much I love EDI and the geth and how hard BioWare tries to make Synthesis the "best" ending, I still find it unbearably creepy.  There's no particularly great reason for it, just this innate "bleargh" response.

I keep flip-flopping on whether I want my Shep and Garrus to get a happy ending (destroy, high EMS) or a tragic one (control, low EMS).  I love happy endings as much as anyone, but there is still something really powerful about tragedy as long as it doesn't just straight-up destroy the galaxy.

[Pyn]

don't know if I can see the EC due to that blue screening when Harbinger lands, tested 'save admiral' on Rannoch, blue screen'd before shuttle-landed.... Can't do much about that currently.

[EnvyTB075]

Yeah i'm still not convinced EDI and the Geth get wiped out. They never existed in those bodies, they existed within the Normandy and server hubs respectively and controlled their physical platforms remotely.

To imply they're dead because they no longer use mobile platforms is just silly.


Synthesis is just stupid.

[Sable Rhapsody]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Synthesis is just stupid.

I can kind of understand why it's "supposed" to be the ideal ending.  What I don't like about it, apart from the sheer unadulterated CREEPY factor, is how utterly uninteresting it is.

In Destroy, you have no Reaper tech (and possibly no synthetics at all depending on headcanon preferences) to help you rebuild.  The Starbrat's right about one thing; there IS no guarantee that the peace will hold.  In Control, you have the delightful practical and philosophical implications of an actual godlike messiah among the races of the galaxy.  In Synthesis, apparently everyone holds hands and skips off into the sunset 

[karushna5]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Yeah i'm still not convinced EDI and the Geth get wiped out. They never existed in those bodies, they existed within the Normandy and server hubs respectively and controlled their physical platforms remotely.

To imply they're dead because they no longer use mobile platforms is just silly.


Synthesis is just stupid.

To be fair, Edi's name shows up on memorial board in destroy endings. I think if she were alive in any format she could communicate this to them before putting her on the wall. I think the software was destroyed not the hardware. Hardware you can fix, software is who they are, it gets broken, they are dead, can be remade but not same personalities.

[EnvyTB075]

karushna5 wrote...
To be fair, Edi's name shows up on memorial board in destroy endings. I think if she were alive in any format she could communicate this to them before putting her on the wall. I think the software was destroyed not the hardware. Hardware you can fix, software is who they are, it gets broken, they are dead, can be remade but not same personalities.

As i said, you want me to believe it, show me a destroyed AI core. Whats to say EDI didn't just shut herself down? Sword fleet apparently knew it was a bad idea to stick in the vicinity of the crucible, which means they had some info on it, and EDI being able to power herself down momentarily has not been subverted in game as yet, we just don't know. I'm not going to assume it on flimsy evidence.

This EC was meant to clear everything up, it hasn't on this issue as far as i'm concerned. Show Quarians still in their suits, i dunno, a hundred years later, or in the other two out of their suits (proper reveal!)

Seriously there are so many ways they could do this properly (Joker having a moment to himself in the AI Core anyone?) and it would be fine. But no they had to be ambiguous AGAIN.

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
In Destroy, you have no Reaper tech (and possibly no synthetics at all depending on headcanon preferences) to help you rebuild.  The Starbrat's right about one thing; there IS no guarantee that the peace will hold.  In Control, you have the delightful practical and philosophical implications of an actual godlike messiah among the races of the galaxy.

 

Some of the possible Leviathan of Dis stuff thats doing the rounds practically subverts the Control ending. That they're uncontrollable, period.

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
In Synthesis, apparently everyone holds hands and skips off into the sunset [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/sick.png[/smilie]

 

And people were complaining about Disney endings with Shepard living...

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 27 juin 2012 - 10:27 .

[Bluumberry]

I prefer Synthesis, sorry to say And this is coming from someone who hates heroic sacrifice endings. My Shepard however would do it.

Dunno if this has been posted yet buuuuut:

[LilyasAvalon]

Bluumberry wrote...

I prefer Synthesis, sorry to say And this is coming from someone who hates heroic sacrifice endings. My Shepard however would do it.

Dunno if this has been posted yet buuuuut:

*Drapes self over Bluum* You are my best friend and I will seriously love you forever now.

[Sialater]

txmn1016 wrote...

Sialater wrote...


Seleya and Sable:  I've decided to go ahead and finish.  I'll have to do significantly more prewriting and planning for Loved's ME3 leg, though.  May take a while.

Just glad you'll be writing more

Thank you.  I'm working on my Shenko sequel now.  But Loved is still going to get the lion's share of my hard work.  

[flippedeclipse]

Synthesis is a little too morally weird for my tastes. I work as an RA under a prof who specializes in nanoparticles, and there was a discussion about it at work once. It was... interesting, to say the least lol. Though now I can't pick the green ending without feeling awful for bringing evolution to a standstill, and apparently creating utopia.

[Bluumberry]

flippedeclipse wrote...

Synthesis is a little too morally weird for my tastes. I work as an RA under a prof who specializes in nanoparticles, and there was a discussion about it at work once. It was... interesting, to say the least lol. Though now I can't pick the green ending without feeling awful for bringing evolution to a standstill, and apparently creating utopia.

Not arguing over the endings since I see the points in all 4 of them.

LilyasAvalon wrote...

*Drapes self over Bluum* You are my best friend and I will seriously love you forever now.

Love you too <3

Modifié par Bluumberry, 27 juin 2012 - 02:53 .

[LilyasAvalon]

flippedeclipse wrote...

Synthesis is a little too morally weird for my tastes. I work as an RA under a prof who specializes in nanoparticles, and there was a discussion about it at work once. It was... interesting, to say the least lol. Though now I can't pick the green ending without feeling awful for bringing evolution to a standstill, and apparently creating utopia.

The joy of choices. Most video games wouldn't give you that.

On that note, Synthesis DOES creep me out if ONLY for the Husk's expression after the inital blast. IT LIVES!!!!!

[Sialater]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

flippedeclipse wrote...

Synthesis is a little too morally weird for my tastes. I work as an RA under a prof who specializes in nanoparticles, and there was a discussion about it at work once. It was... interesting, to say the least lol. Though now I can't pick the green ending without feeling awful for bringing evolution to a standstill, and apparently creating utopia.

The joy of choices. Most video games wouldn't give you that.

On that note, Synthesis DOES creep me out if ONLY for the Husk's expression after the inital blast. IT LIVES!!!!!

And looks VERY horrified.

[Mara Shep]

Portia Cousland wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Okay, regarding EC, regardless of how you feel about it, you CANNOT deny that you FINALLY squeed when Shepard has Garrus sent back with the Normandy before the beam if not for the SOUL purpose of the fact he FINALLY said 'IT'.

Hi, I don't usually post in this thread but Garrus is my romance of choice. I actually cried when he said "You have got to be kidding me." He said it with such feeling... and then when he said IT, wow! I was so surprised by this scene I didn't record it - I plan on replaying retake Earth just so I can capture that moment <3

It's just amazing to me how well they developed his character and the romance. All my FSheps romance Kaidan in ME1 and most go for Garrus in ME2 and stay with him in ME3. I just can't choose Kaidan over Garrus, ever. 

Christ, that scene was a total surprise - I haven't gotten over that yet, I still almost cry when I think about it.  

I am so glad they put that in though, it was like "FINALLY!"  Though as he reached out to her as she left was heart breaking.

I haven't cried that much since I played the game originally.  I think I was crying from the start of the Earth mission onwards.

I chose Destroy...but that moment *SPOILERS* between Garrus and Edi in the other choice...wow.

[LilyasAvalon]

Sialater wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

The joy of choices. Most video games wouldn't give you that.

On that note, Synthesis DOES creep me out if ONLY for the Husk's expression after the inital blast. IT LIVES!!!!!

And looks VERY horrified.

Indeed. Poor thing. But yes, I don't like the shiny utopia of Synthesis because of that... imagine how a poor BRUTE would feel, those amino acids don't even mix.

Mara Shep wrote...

I chose Destroy...but that moment *SPOILERS* between Garrus and Edi in the other choice...wow.

I giggled during Garrus' pose before they hugged, he looked so metrosexual. xD

Modifié par LilyasAvalon, 27 juin 2012 - 03:35 .

[Sialater]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Sialater wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

The joy of choices. Most video games wouldn't give you that.

On that note, Synthesis DOES creep me out if ONLY for the Husk's expression after the inital blast. IT LIVES!!!!!

And looks VERY horrified.

Indeed. Poor thing. But yes, I don't like the shiny utopia of Synthesis because of that... imagine how a poor BRUTE would feel, those amino acids don't even mix.

Yeah, Destroy, if anything, is euthanasia.

ToP


Source.

Modifié par Sialater, 27 juin 2012 - 03:37 .