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[giftfish]

Garrus fans -- do you have thoughts on what you'd want to see in a Romance DLC?

If so, please jump over to the thread I linked earlier, and make your suggestions. I'm compiling a list for all characters for Bioware.

Also, don't forget to vote, if interested

[ThatDancingTurian]

FFZero wrote...

Yeah, the Geth and EDI being killed in the destroy ending never made much sense to me, not in the original endings and not in the EC version. How does a pulse of energy differentiate between Reapers/synthetics and all other kinds of technology? I mean if it acts like an EMP it should logically destroy every single piece of technology. We can very clearly see that it doesn't. It's obvious it was just added to make the Destroy ending have a slightly negative outcome, otherwise no one would even consider going for control, or god forbid synthesis. *throws up*

God I hate that ending...

Anyway in my head-canon the energy acts more like the pulse from the heretic base mission, but instead of re-writing reaper code, it deletes it. The Geth and EDI are left unharmed because they've changed the reaper code they're based on so much that it's almost completely different.

Right. If it destroys all synthetic tech, such as implants in organics, then everyone with a biotic implant would die as well as all quarians due to their extensive cybernetics. But Kaidan and Tali are fine in the memorial, so where does it draw the line? It's too vague. It's pretty clear they made it that confusing just to add in the 'EDI and the geth die' consequence because otherwise nobody would ever pick the other two options, which I would call a problem with those other two, not with Destroy.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 30 juin 2012 - 01:57 .

[Deviant Ingredient]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

FFZero wrote...

Yeah, the Geth and EDI being killed in the destroy ending never made much sense to me, not in the original endings and not in the EC version. How does a pulse of energy differentiate between Reapers/synthetics and all other kinds of technology? I mean if it acts like an EMP it should logically destroy every single piece of technology. We can very clearly see that it doesn't. It's obvious it was just added to make the Destroy ending have a slightly negative outcome, otherwise no one would even consider going for control, or god forbid synthesis. *throws up*

God I hate that ending...

Anyway in my head-canon the energy acts more like the pulse from the heretic base mission, but instead of re-writing reaper code, it deletes it. The Geth and EDI are left unharmed because they've changed the reaper code they're based on so much that it's almost completely different.

Right. If it destroys all synthetic tech, such as implants in organics, then everyone with a biotic implant would die as well as all quarians due to their extensive cybernetics. But Kaidan and Tali are fine in the memorial, so where does it draw the line? It's too vague. It's pretty clear they made it that confusing just to add in the 'EDI and the geth die' consequence because otherwise nobody would ever pick the other two options. Which I would call a problem with those other two, not with Destroy.

Plus in a way it devalues our journey with EDI and Legion. As sweet as EDI's monolgue was it completely takes away from her growth in my opinion. And in a weird round about way, Destroy implies that Bioware was hinting at synthetics not deserving life like organics do. It doesn't balance out and to me Control implies that organics can't acomplish peace without an AI overlord even if it is creepy Shepard.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Pyn wrote...

Anyone else here that could help my PC Shep get through the 3 places I keep getting Blue Screened?

-Rannoch: Save Admiral (I want a save with him saved with current Shep playthrough)
-Ontarom: Communication Hub

Then Earth when Harbinger-lands, I'd like the Autosave after that.

Does your PC meet the specs for ME3?  If you get blue-screened often or frequent crashes, it might not be the game.  Sorry for asking the obvious questions 

[EnvyTB075]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...
It's too vague. It's pretty clear they made it that confusing just to add in the 'EDI and the geth die' consequence because otherwise nobody would ever pick the other two options, which I would call a problem with those other two, not with Destroy.

While i completely agree that it is vague, i think the statement that "nobody would ever pick the other two" to be highly subjective. In the endings current state, yes that is true, but you could just rewrite the other two to include a "positive" side depending on what you've done in previous games.

For example a "good" version of control leads to you being the grand master of space cthulu (hell its a reward if your shep swings that way), but capable of doing what occurs in that awesome fanfic "The Shepard Code". In Synthesis you get your hybrid kid* or something, i dunno but give each ending a positive and a negative to it, and something mediocre in the middle for those of you who are neutral.



*I use the term "hybrid" very loosely, since it can mean a lot of things, not only mixed features. For example Turian features with levo sensitivities...or something...BioWare approves of space magic (in ME3's current state), i'm fine with using it for this too if that floats your boat cannot stress that highly enough.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 30 juin 2012 - 02:42 .

[ThatDancingTurian]

Deviant Ingredient wrote...

Plus in a way it devalues our journey with EDI and Legion. As sweet as EDI's monolgue was it completely takes away from her growth in my opinion. And in a weird round about way, Destroy implies that Bioware was hinting at synthetics not deserving life like organics do. It doesn't balance out and to me Control implies that organics can't acomplish peace without an AI overlord even if it is creepy Shepard.

I can't stand EDI's Synthesis monologue. It betrays her entire journey throughout the series as well as that of the geth.

@Envy: But that was my point, in their current state no one would pick them over a Destroy where EDI and the geth survived.

As for rewriting, well, you can't get much more positive than Synthesis already is, and that's exactly the problem with Synthesis. Synthesis is cotton candy; an overload of sweet that dissolves in your mouth when you bite into it.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 30 juin 2012 - 03:18 .

[Sanctuary74]

FFZero wrote...

Garrus is asleep in a chair beside Shepard, his head resting on her hospital bed. Her eyes flutter open for a moment, then she stares at the ceiling, before finally looking around and noticing him there. She slowly, gently moves a hand to stroke his fringe, which wakes him up. He sits up straight.
Garrus: Shepard.
Garrus touches her cheek.
Garrus: How are you feeling?
She murmurs a bit before getting her voice back.
Shepard: Like hell. I guess I got pretty banged up.
He has a tinge of laughter in his voice.
Garrus: You've been dead, Shepard. I think you can say you've had worse.
Shepard: The thing about being dead is that you don't have to feel it.
Shepard tries to sit up, but groans either from the pain or from weakness causing her body to not cooperate. Garrus gets out of his seat and sits on the edge of her bed.
Garrus: Here, let me.
He helps her sit up, his arm supporting her back in an almost-hug. They sit there like that for a moment, just looking at each other.
Garrus: What do you remember? About the Crucible.
Shepard: Not much, it's all kind of a blur. I remember running for the beam. You got hit by a mako.
Garrus chuckles.
Garrus: Not the first time I've been tossed around by a flying mako, just the first time I was on the outside when it happened.
Shepard: And then I called Joker for evac and...
Shepard hits a certain memory and smiles.
Shepard: You said 'I love you too'.
Garrus grins, that coy tone in his voice.
Garrus: I suppose I did.
They share another smile, then she leans her head against his shoulder but makes no effort to raise her tired arms.
Shepard: It's finally over... isn't it?
Garrus: You did it, Shepard. Not a single Reaper left out there.
He wraps his arms tighter around her.
Garrus: Shepard, if things ever get hairy again... Don't make me stay behind. Never.
Shepard: Is that another order, Vakarian?
Garrus: Damn straight.

I especially like this one. 

[Blkrose]

So I started playing ME2 for the second time going after my femShep/Garrus relationship and I visit the Citadel for the first time with him and Mordin. Walking around I click on the ads and for the first time I hear the ad mentioning Garrus and it made me smile!

[ThatDancingTurian]

Blkrose wrote...

So I started playing ME2 for the second time going after my femShep/Garrus relationship and I visit the Citadel for the first time with him and Mordin. Walking around I click on the ads and for the first time I hear the ad mentioning Garrus and it made me smile!

I love that. Especially the way it calls him 'Officer Vakarian'. I smile like an idiot every time. <3

[Pyn]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Does your PC meet the specs for ME3?  If you get blue-screened often or frequent crashes, it might not be the game.  Sorry for asking the obvious questions 

Thing is, it ran perfectly fine before... not 1 problem with ME3...

I'm using a mid-2011 Mini Mac, so have to use Parallels Desktop 7 for running Windows XP.
It's likely some silly update Parallels did that messed up my ME-games... or a cross between something they did and something an Apple Update did...

fyi, ME1 used to work just fine too not even 1 problem, now can't even play it even new game... so not the first game some Parallels messed up. reinstalls dont work.

So, well, asking her for anyone PC that can help my FemShep just get past Harbinger-landing cutscene? That is exactly where it's blue screening for some reason...

for now at least until game gets downloaded and installed on another comp? (currently doing but quite a wait for that due to size of game itself + DLCs)

if it helps anyways:
windows xp, 2002 version, service pack 3
Intel® Core™, i5-2520M CPU @ 2.50 GHz
2.50GHz, 1.50GB RAM
physical adress extension

mac
processor: 2.5 GHz Intel Core i5
memory: 4GB 1333 MHz DDR3
graphics: AMD Radeon HD 6630M 256 MB
software: Mac OS X Lion 10.7.4 (11E53)

pic with Garrus:


@ reunion conversation, for my Shep I'm still writing it...

[EnvyTB075]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

@Envy: But that was my point, in their current state no one would pick them over a Destroy where EDI and the geth survived.

As for rewriting, well, you can't get much more positive than Synthesis already is, and that's exactly the problem with Synthesis. Synthesis is cotton candy; an overload of sweet that dissolves in your mouth when you bite into it.

I understand that, thats why i proposed the other changes to even out the playing field, then it really would become a proper choice based on your personal morality, not based on the consequences which is really the biggest with the endings. A lot of people are stopping at that point, looking up the consequences online rather than trusting that your EMS would allow for a good/medium/bad ending, which is what i assumed would happen anyway because of ME2.

I know i looked them up, i just didn't believe my ears when i got there. I'm just saying one need not be better than the other, and that theres a multitude of possibilities to facilitate that.

Aris Ravenstar wrote...
I love that. Especially the way it calls him 'Officer Vakarian'. I smile like an idiot every time. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/heart.png[/smilie]

I still love the shotgun Turian in the weapons shop.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 30 juin 2012 - 04:42 .

[Sanctuary74]

Does anyone have a wallpaper sized version of the Garrus picture that is in the epilogue of him holding his gun and smiling? I can't find one anywhere.

[Enthalpy]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

FFZero wrote...

Yeah, the Geth and EDI being killed in the destroy ending never made much sense to me, not in the original endings and not in the EC version. How does a pulse of energy differentiate between Reapers/synthetics and all other kinds of technology? I mean if it acts like an EMP it should logically destroy every single piece of technology. We can very clearly see that it doesn't. It's obvious it was just added to make the Destroy ending have a slightly negative outcome, otherwise no one would even consider going for control, or god forbid synthesis. *throws up*

God I hate that ending...

Anyway in my head-canon the energy acts more like the pulse from the heretic base mission, but instead of re-writing reaper code, it deletes it. The Geth and EDI are left unharmed because they've changed the reaper code they're based on so much that it's almost completely different.

Right. If it destroys all synthetic tech, such as implants in organics, then everyone with a biotic implant would die as well as all quarians due to their extensive cybernetics. But Kaidan and Tali are fine in the memorial, so where does it draw the line? It's too vague. It's pretty clear they made it that confusing just to add in the 'EDI and the geth die' consequence because otherwise nobody would ever pick the other two options, which I would call a problem with those other two, not with Destroy.

It has been speculated elsewhere that the unfortunate consequences are a result of Cerberus using Reaper technology in the reconstruction of EDI from the Luna AI, and the fact that the geth used Reaper code to achieve "true consciousness" in the scenario where they survived Rannoch. Presumably, both instances of Reaper tech were integrated so deeply that when they were destroyed, so were their hosts.

[ThatDancingTurian]

DalishAssassin wrote...

Does anyone have a wallpaper sized version of the Garrus picture that is in the epilogue of him holding his gun and smiling? I can't find one anywhere.

I haven't seen one, sorry.

It is a really beautiful image though. I love that it's there on the top of the Presidium where the best thing in the whole game happens. And you just reminded me I had an avatar-sized version ready for upload.

Enthalpy wrote...

It has been speculated elsewhere that the unfortunate consequences are a result of Cerberus using Reaper technology in the reconstruction of EDI from the Luna AI, and the fact that the geth used Reaper code to achieve "true consciousness" in the scenario where they survived Rannoch. Presumably, both instances of Reaper tech were integrated so deeply that when they were destroyed, so were their hosts.

Except how would the godchild know that? And why does he say 'all synthetics' then? It's just not clear at all.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 30 juin 2012 - 04:32 .

[flippedeclipse]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Garrus is asleep in a chair beside Shepard, his head resting on her hospital bed. Her eyes flutter open for a moment, then she stares at the ceiling, before finally looking around and noticing him there. She slowly, gently moves a hand to stroke his fringe, which wakes him up. He sits up straight.
Garrus: Shepard.
Garrus touches her cheek.
Garrus: How are you feeling?
She murmurs a bit before getting her voice back.
Shepard: Like hell. I guess I got pretty banged up.
He has a tinge of laughter in his voice.
Garrus: You've been dead, Shepard. I think you can say you've had worse.
Shepard: The thing about being dead is that you don't have to feel it.
Shepard tries to sit up, but groans either from the pain or from weakness causing her body to not cooperate. Garrus gets out of his seat and sits on the edge of her bed.
Garrus: Here, let me.
He helps her sit up, his arm supporting her back in an almost-hug. They sit there like that for a moment, just looking at each other.
Garrus: What do you remember? About the Crucible.
Shepard: Not much, it's all kind of a blur. I remember running for the beam. You got hit by a mako.
Garrus chuckles.
Garrus: Not the first time I've been tossed around by a flying mako, just the first time I was on the outside when it happened.
Shepard: And then I called Joker for evac and...
Shepard hits a certain memory and smiles.
Shepard: You said 'I love you too'.
Garrus grins, that coy tone in his voice.
Garrus: I suppose I did.
They share another smile, then she leans her head against his shoulder but makes no effort to raise her tired arms.
Shepard: It's finally over... isn't it?
Garrus: You did it, Shepard. Not a single Reaper left out there.
He wraps his arms tighter around her.
Garrus: Shepard, if things ever get hairy again... Don't make me stay behind. Never.
Shepard: Is that another order, Vakarian?
Garrus: Damn straight.

I read this four times over just so I could keep hearing Hale and Keener's voices in my head. Love this!

[Sanctuary74]

*

Modifié par DalishAssassin, 30 juin 2012 - 04:48 .

[EnvyTB075]

Enthalpy wrote...

It has been speculated elsewhere that the unfortunate consequences are a result of Cerberus using Reaper technology in the reconstruction of EDI from the Luna AI, and the fact that the geth used Reaper code to achieve "true consciousness" in the scenario where they survived Rannoch. Presumably, both instances of Reaper tech were integrated so deeply that when they were destroyed, so were their hosts.

Plausible until Starkid says all AI's. Its a pretty same assumption that not every AI is based on Reaper tech. Also plausible until you remember that EDI exists within that blue box, which is a computer, with really advanced circuitry.

The question then becomes "Does the energy wave affect all AI's, or all computers?", since with the former the Normandy wouldn't be able to take off again (which it does), hell it wouldn't crash in the first place, since nothing is getting fried, just EDI.

I prefer the latter, which makes Destroy the best ending for me. Sure, they lose their bodies, but just like the relays, those can be rebuilt. Or the Geth can just rock out in Quarian suits.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 30 juin 2012 - 04:47 .

[Sanctuary74]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

DalishAssassin wrote...

Does anyone have a wallpaper sized version of the Garrus picture that is in the epilogue of him holding his gun and smiling? I can't find one anywhere.

I haven't seen one, sorry.

It is a really beautiful image though. I love that it's there on the top of the Presidium where the best thing in the whole game happens. And you just reminded me I had an avatar-sized version ready for upload.

Enthalpy wrote...

It has been speculated elsewhere that the unfortunate consequences are a result of Cerberus using Reaper technology in the reconstruction of EDI from the Luna AI, and the fact that the geth used Reaper code to achieve "true consciousness" in the scenario where they survived Rannoch. Presumably, both instances of Reaper tech were integrated so deeply that when they were destroyed, so were their hosts.

Except how would the godchild know that? And why does he say 'all synthetics' then? It's just not clear at all.

Ah, darn. I really like that picture. It does make a great avatar!

[ThatDancingTurian]

Thanks for the compliments on my little dialogue thing, you guys.

I want to hear more headcanons. The great thing about them is that they're all a little different but I can imagine each one of them so far as something that the characters would actually do.

[Enthalpy]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Enthalpy wrote...

It has been speculated elsewhere that the unfortunate consequences are a result of Cerberus using Reaper technology in the reconstruction of EDI from the Luna AI, and the fact that the geth used Reaper code to achieve "true consciousness" in the scenario where they survived Rannoch. Presumably, both instances of Reaper tech were integrated so deeply that when they were destroyed, so were their hosts.

Plausible until Starkid says all AI's. Its a pretty same assumption that not every AI is based on Reaper tech. Also plausible until you remember that EDI exists within that blue box, which is a computer, with really advanced circuitry.

The question then becomes "Does the energy wave affect all AI's, or all computers?", since with the former the Normandy wouldn't be able to take off again (which it does), hell it wouldn't crash in the first place, since nothing is getting fried, just EDI.

I prefer the latter, which makes Destroy the best ending for me. Sure, they lose their bodies, but just like the relays, those can be rebuilt. Or the Geth can just rock out in Quarian suits.

I believe there are two explanations for Catalyst's mentioning of all AI. (I do not remember the exact quote, sadly. If anyone could source that would be helpful).

1. The Catalyst, through Cerberus and other Reaper agents, is aware of Shepard/the player's interactions with AI. Hence, it refers to the AI with which Shepard has had contact.
2. Previous to acquiring the Reaper code, the geth were still considered AI by the Mass Effect species' standards. However, the Reaper code enabled them to possess "true individual consciousness," something which they had apparently been lacking. Hence, it is possible that this "true individual consciousness" is integral to the Catalyst's definition of AI, while making little difference in the definition used by the organic species. In other words, had the geth not incorporated the code, they would have survived the purge.

I do not see how the location of EDI's physical hardware is relevant. Is the Reapers' being encased in a large, violet casing with highly advanced circuitry relevant?

Personally, I believe it is possible that the Normandy could have crashed due to EDI's destruction, even if it was solely a matter of software. Although the Normandy can be piloted normally by Joker (the original SR1 had no AI), a sudden disappearance of AI guidance is a plausible source of error (imagine a plane suddenly losing autopilot. The human pilots can regain control, but not absolutely immediately.) The fact the error is not severe is evidenced by the relatively safe landing they made, as opposed to a FTL crash into the planet.

I would have preferred that EDI and the geth survived as well. However, it is the certainty of their destruction that makes this ending... interesting for me.

[ThatDancingTurian]

The quote actually says 'synthetics', not 'AI', which is what makes it all the more confusing. "The Crucible will not discriminate. All synthetics will be targeted. Even you are partly synthetic."

That last part especially doesn't make sense since we see no problem with Garrus, Tali or Kaidan, all who have implants or cybernetics.

The problem I have with it being a software-only EMP-type weapon is two-fold. First, we see the Reapers being completely destroyed. Second, if they have highly advanced communications, as soon as the first few hit the beam and were shut down, you'd think the ones far enough away could power down and survive it, which would negate the entire purpose of the weapon, to wipe out all the Reapers.

So obviously the body is an important component. Yet, EDI is housed in the Normandy and the Normandy itself does not blow up. It doesn't even show any damage with high EMS.

So then, what constitutes a 'synthetic', if not the code itself and not the code and the hardware that surrounds it? This question is never answered.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 30 juin 2012 - 05:45 .

[EnvyTB075]

Enthalpy wrote...

I believe there are two explanations for Catalyst's mentioning of all AI. (I do not remember the exact quote, sadly. If anyone could source that would be helpful).

1. The Catalyst, through Cerberus and other Reaper agents, is aware of Shepard/the player's interactions with AI. Hence, it refers to the AI with which Shepard has had contact.

>Rogue AI on the Citadel circa ME1? Most certainly not based on Reaper tech.

2. Previous to acquiring the Reaper code, the geth were still considered AI by the Mass Effect species' standards. However, the Reaper code enabled them to possess "true individual consciousness," something which they had apparently been lacking. Hence, it is possible that this "true individual consciousness" is integral to the Catalyst's definition of AI, while making little difference in the definition used by the organic species. In other words, had the geth not incorporated the code, they would have survived the purge.

>Plausible, but nothing solid to suggest this is the case. Not enough data :/

I do not see how the location of EDI's physical hardware is relevant. Is the Reapers' being encased in a large, violet casing with highly advanced circuitry relevant?

>The Reapers are different, their conciousness exists within their bodies. EDI is fully housed on the Normandy (never mind being fully integrated into its systems following her unshackling), she doesn't exist fully within her body, which is one of the issues i have with people claiming shes dead because she no longer has a body. She never existed in it in the first place, and if they wanted to show her dead, a sad scene with Joker in the AI core would have sufficed. Hell it would have been amazing and actually drive home what you just did.

Personally, I believe it is possible that the Normandy could have crashed due to EDI's destruction, even if it was solely a matter of software. Although the Normandy can be piloted normally by Joker (the original SR1 had no AI), a sudden disappearance of AI guidance is a plausible source of error (imagine a plane suddenly losing autopilot. The human pilots can regain control, but not absolutely immediately.) The fact the error is not severe is evidenced by the relatively safe landing they made, as opposed to a FTL crash into the planet.

>Yes, the Normandy can be piloted by Joker, but considering how integral she is now to the Normandys systems, and how she is software at the end of the day, how does the crucible differentiate between self aware programming and just programming? If it affected her server banks that badly as to wipe her from the face of the universe, how does it not affect the rest of the Normandy at all?

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

The quote actually says 'synthetics', not 'AI', which is what makes it all the more confusing.

>ME universe considers them one and the same i think. I personally don't because to me "synthetic" implies the AI has its own physical platform it cannot venture out of. Consider Data from Star Trek versus Cortana from Halo.

The problem I have with it being a software-only EMP-type weapon is two-fold. First, we see the Reapers being completely destroyed. Second, if they have highly advanced communications, as soon as the first few hit the beam and were shut down, you'd think the ones far enough away could power down and survive it, which would negate the entire purpose of the weapon, to wipe out all the Reapers.

>Well, theoretically the beam travels at stupidly high speeds, faster possibly than QEM, given the Galaxy map at the end of the game showing the beam traveling in real time.

So obviously the body is an important component. Yet, EDI is housed in the Normandy and the Normandy itself does not blow up. It doesn't even show any damage with high EMS.

>This is my issue with the ending

Responses in italics because i cbf quoting each section i want to reply to individually [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 30 juin 2012 - 05:54 .

[LilyasAvalon]

In regards to the ending, just do what I do and headcanon that the Starchild was lying. Seriously, I am still convinced he's a reaper or something.

Destroy is the ONLY ending were Shepard can survive, but Shepard is half synthetic. How CAN Shepard survive? In regards to the EDI and Geth thing, I just headcanon they, at worst, got short circuited and can be fixed. Because to me, it doesn't make any sense. If it had said AI, it'd make more sense, but synthetic is too open.

What about people who use synthetic amps or body parts?

[EnvyTB075]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

In regards to the ending, just do what I do and headcanon that the Starchild was lying. Seriously, I am still convinced he's a reaper or something.

It is, its the Reapers collective intelligence.

And yeah, same here on the reaction. No other plausible explanation for its sudden appearance really, even outside of IT.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 30 juin 2012 - 06:00 .

[Enthalpy]

[quote]EnvyTB075 wrote...

[quote]Enthalpy wrote...

I believe there are two explanations for Catalyst's mentioning of all AI. (I do not remember the exact quote, sadly. If anyone could source that would be helpful).

1. The Catalyst, through Cerberus and other Reaper agents, is aware of Shepard/the player's interactions with AI. Hence, it refers to the AI with which Shepard has had contact.

>Rogue AI on the Citadel circa ME1? Most certainly not based on Reaper tech.[/quote]

Of course not. But it was destroyed.
[/quote]
[quote]EnvyTB075 wrote...

2. Previous to acquiring the Reaper code, the geth were still considered AI by the Mass Effect species' standards. However, the Reaper code enabled them to possess "true individual consciousness," something which they had apparently been lacking. Hence, it is possible that this "true individual consciousness" is integral to the Catalyst's definition of AI, while making little difference in the definition used by the organic species. In other words, had the geth not incorporated the code, they would have survived the purge.

>Plausible, but nothing solid to suggest this is the case. Not enough data :/

I do not see how the location of EDI's physical hardware is relevant. Is the Reapers' being encased in a large, violet casing with highly advanced circuitry relevant?

>The Reapers are different, their conciousness exists within their bodies. EDI is fully housed on the Normandy (never mind being fully integrated into its systems following her unshackling), she doesn't exist fully within her body, which is one of the issues i have with people claiming shes dead because she no longer has a body. She never existed in it in the first place, and if they wanted to show her dead, a sad scene with Joker in the AI core would have sufficed. Hell it would have been amazing and actually drive home what you just did.[/quote]
[/quote]
Yes. The Reapers are housed within large spaceships, controlling the husks on the ground. EDI is housed in a smaller spaceship, controlling a robot on the ground. 

[quote]EnvyTB075 wrote...
Personally, I believe it is possible that the Normandy could have crashed due to EDI's destruction, even if it was solely a matter of software. Although the Normandy can be piloted normally by Joker (the original SR1 had no AI), a sudden disappearance of AI guidance is a plausible source of error (imagine a plane suddenly losing autopilot. The human pilots can regain control, but not absolutely immediately.) The fact the error is not severe is evidenced by the relatively safe landing they made, as opposed to a FTL crash into the planet.

>Yes, the Normandy can be piloted by Joker, but considering how integral she is now to the Normandys systems, and how she is software at the end of the day, how does the crucible differentiate between self aware programming and just programming? If it affected her server banks that badly as to wipe her from the face of the universe, how does it not affect the rest of the Normandy at all?
[/quote]

To the second part: redundancy, redundancy, redundancy. Safety factor greater than 2, all that engineering stuff. I believe most modern aircraft and spacecraft have secondary and tertiary systems. Reapers failed completely because, I assume, that secure in their "superiority" they have no backup plan once their code failed.

To the first part: I am not the Crucible and I don't know a single self-aware artificial entity, so I cannot answer that. Probably how Control Shepard only overrides all the Reapers, and not the allied ships as well.

[quote]Aris Ravenstar wrote...

The quote actually says 'synthetics', not 'AI', which is what makes it all the more confusing.

>ME universe considers them one and the same i think. I personally don't because to me "synthetic" implies the AI has its own physical platform it cannot venture out of. Consider Data from Star Trek versus Cortana from Halo.

The problem I have with it being a software-only EMP-type weapon is two-fold. First, we see the Reapers being completely destroyed. Second, if they have highly advanced communications, as soon as the first few hit the beam and were shut down, you'd think the ones far enough away could power down and survive it, which would negate the entire purpose of the weapon, to wipe out all the Reapers.
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The thing is, a strong magnet can destroy credit cards' and hard drives' "memories" even when powered down. What's to say that our space magic isn't similar? Also, I remember the Reapers toppling and discharging something similar to what Sovereign discharged when it lost shields. For me, no pretty explosions means no major structural damage, but yes this is very vague.

Edit: formatting
Edit 2: TotP? Well, I am not above self-promotion.

Modifié par Enthalpy, 30 juin 2012 - 06:20 .