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[flippedeclipse]

 @Suspire - It's a biology thing. I'm no expert but I'm guessing if we evolved on a planet with a higher temperature, we'd end up having higher body temps to keep homeostasis (which is like... keeping the body in balance, basically) efficient. Kind of like how some animals on Earth have been able to adapt to very cold or very warm temperatures.

@Soltana - You can check out this request archive from the kinkmeme. Most are NSFW but there are some great ideas in there that haven't been done yet. You can browse through the tags too to find something in particular.

@Giggles - You summed it up perfectly. Especially about the voice-acting... Keener and Hale did a fantastic job with it.

[Suspire]

But Palaven is only 31°C o.O or is the wiki incorrect? Cause that's the temperature where I live. They have little fat on their bodies so that means they lose heat very quickly - which causes them to be cold easily. That's.... biology. You need lots of fat to keep warm.

Modifié par Suspire, 07 juillet 2012 - 04:46 .

[Seleya_LL]

Suspire wrote...

But Palaven is only 31°C o.O or is the wiki incorrect? Cause that's the temperature where I live. They have little fat on their bodies so that means they lose heat very quickly - which causes them to be cold easily. That's.... biology. You need lots of fat to keep warm.

Which is, in comparison to (future) Earth's 23° C (same Wiki), still quite warm. And I don't know about the biological effects of their plates, perhaps they play a role, too.

My personal theory for the 'turians run a high body temperature' is that many writers consider the possibility of a boyfriend who reliably warms their feet and prefers hot showers quite attractive, and that it reflects in many, many fictions.

[Suspire]

Oh that last part explains it XD. I think I'll just go with my version then, goes with turians not liking the cold, like Garrus said...  Shep can warm him ;3 (though wouldn't you want a hot shower if you were cold? When I'm hot I take cold showers!)
And I imagine 23°C is said to be Earth's temperature because the USA is in a temperate climate and probably most habitable places. To me 8°C it's not that much difference though, it's.. the difference of being able to wear a t-shirt or a tank top to having to wear a sweater or long sleeves when you're indoors or it's windy. Here it gets to 40ºC in the summer, we haven't developed higher body temperature than other humans though (yes I know in Palaven it could get up to 60°C for all we know XD)

Though yeah the plates could be used to speculate on that but I've never seen any info so I take it as not the case. They'd still need fat to be able to keep warm in a cold environment.

Modifié par Suspire, 07 juillet 2012 - 05:26 .

[flippedeclipse]

It's most likely what Seleya said lol. Just following the human trend of running 14C above room temp sets turians at 45C, so I guess it's easy for writers to make that assumption =)

[Suspire]

Still, body fat, they have none D: So as soon as they're in lower temperatures, they lose heat.

You need to visit me and we'll go to Jequié when it's 45°C there >D (hotter than Rio huhuhu)
(by the way Jequié is full of iron ore, because of that it can get to 48°C during the day and gets cold at night... just thought that was interesting, because uh minerals. 45°C is a common temperature for it.)

Modifié par Suspire, 07 juillet 2012 - 05:41 .

[Sinilin_]

Suspire wrote...

Still, body fat, they have none D: So as soon as they're in lower temperatures, they lose heat.

You need to visit me and we'll go to Jequié when it's 45°C there >D (hotter than Rio huhuhu)
(by the way Jequié is full of iron ore, because of that it can get to 48°C during the day and gets cold at night... just thought that was interesting, because uh minerals. 45°C is a common temperature for it.)

Turians live on a hot planet so it's sensible for them to have low body heat in order to survive high temperatures. They must have some way to emit the excess heat. If they would have a hot body temperature they couldn't keep their bodies from overheating. On Earth, the animals who live in deserts have developed many ways to get rid of the heat (like big ears etc.). 

So, if Turians are in a cold (or colder than Palaven) environment they can not sustain their body heat because the bodies are developed to emit the heat, not store it. Thus, Turians need clothing that keeps their body heat from escaping. 

Overall, I think Turians' don't have hotter temperature than humans. It doesn't make any sense. You don't survive hot temperatures by having hot temperature. It's opposite, you need to have a way to get rid of the heat to protect your vital body functions. 

[Seleya_LL]

Well, now we just need somebody with knowledge in chemistry and physics to deduce what substances a) colour turian blood blue, what that means for oxygen transport, c) what that means for the temperature optimum in regards to other body functions - they are successful predators, so their body is probably optimized both for quick, sudden dangers and / or opportunities as well as long, exhausting hunts.
[Just to be on the save side: I have no idea about physics that's worth mentioning, and while I have some knowledge of chemistry or biology, it has either been quite some time or way too specialized to be of use in this context. So feel free to criticize ]

Besides, none of us knows anything about xeno-biology, so anything logical on Earth may be different on Palaven. Sure, the basic principles and laws of physics should apply, but with the amount of space magic found elsewhere in the ME universe (yeah, I am looking at you, %&$"§ Catalyst...)...

[Suspire]

I'm fine with people wanting turians to be whatever they want in fanworks, I just think it can lead to misinformation, so I wanted to clear that up... If Bioware said they do mantain higher temperatures I wouldn't question their logic, because yeah hey, hot blue alien babes that look just like humans and all, so I don't take the game too seriously. (I don't think the Catalyst undoes all logic used before it though.)
I don't even like how most people think of aliens only in terms of what animals we have on earth.

But I just wanted to make sure this body heat thing was just a fan thing, and not the logical explanation. Cause it didn't make sense to me. (The blue peen thing is another thing lol, I would argue pigmentation can make it any other color... just like all creatures, and just like the skin on his neck is not the color of his tongue. But let's not get into THAT)

ps. Oh and thanks for the info Sinilin, I hadn't thought they'd need to mantain lower temperature. This works well with not having much body fat.
edit: Oh wait. Now it makes sense that Garrus was dressed while Shepard was sleeping in underwear, before the Cerberus mission hahaha
"Garrus, do you really have to turn the room heat up so much?"
"Yeah, but you can just sleep in your underwear, it looks better anyway."

Modifié par Suspire, 07 juillet 2012 - 07:20 .

[OneMore1968]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

RogueMumei wrote...

I play sentinel, the loneliest, least played class. Which is why I was ecstatic when I found out that that was one of the turian classes in MP. Though I know a lot of people want infiltrator...

Don't like Infiltrator in MP though. Sentinal is my second favorite out of all of them, and primary class in MP.

Noooo.  I play that class as well.  Love it.  Tried every other class.  Found soldier boring.   Vanguard's can struggle a lot in MP.    Sorry, know this is slightly off topic regards Garrus.  Haven't unlocked the Turian yet.  Concentrating on SP.  Plus seems to be lots of connection issues currently.  Will look out for it next time tho.

[Soltana]

Thank you for the input, guise 8D I wish I was good at writing the...spicier stuff. But I'm awful. I usually can't sit through them long enough to get inspired...not because I get all squicked out but because of some of the wide-spread fanon that I can't stand like the purring and the clawing up poor Shepard. No offense intended to anyone's preferences. Just personal pet peeves...

Ooh but lots of good fanon discussion going on today! *takes notes* The whole turians being warmer thing always kind of perplexed me too. But I'm no biologist. About the only thing I know about body temperature, at least here on earth is that most mammals evolved to their specific temperature in order to strike a balance between being warm enough to fight off fungal infections (gross), but not too warm so that we're not having to constantly eat. But then again, I don't think turians are mammals...lol I dunno ¯\\(°_o)/¯

[flippedeclipse]

They're based off of birds. I wonder if they have vestigial wings and hollow bones.... And if you look around on the kinkmeme there are some great non-animalistic NSFW fills. I draw most of my inspiration from them.

My least favourite fanon thing is the whole allergic stuff, but only because I fell for Bioware's bad biology =) I like the headcanon that Garrus and Tali won't make us sick at all, but instead taste like sugar, even though that's just as bad science XD

[Soltana]

I also wonder if they have hollow bones. They're so delightfully spindly.

But with what I know about allergies (admittedly not too much, again, I'm no biologist), I agree it's bad (but creative and potentially hilarious) biology. At the most, I'm betting it works on an individual level. Even in the codex, it mentions that at best, food designed for the opposing chirality will pass through the system no problem and at worst, anaphylactic shock. If Shep accidentally...ingests...I bet she just gets a mild case of hives if she's unlucky 

flippedeclipse wrote...

I like the headcanon that Garrus and Tali won't make us sick at all, but instead taste like sugar

 

Please tell me the Mountain Dew joke is still alive.

[Armdin]

flippedeclipse wrote...

They're based off of birds. I wonder if they have vestigial wings and hollow bones.... And if you look around on the kinkmeme there are some great non-animalistic NSFW fills. I draw most of my inspiration from them.

My least favourite fanon thing is the whole allergic stuff, but only because I fell for Bioware's bad biology =) I like the headcanon that Garrus and Tali won't make us sick at all, but instead taste like sugar, even though that's just as bad science XD

While I'm not opposed to it, I never understood the logic. What would make them taste sweet?
Is it canon or fanon? Not that I know biology or chemistry anyway, just never understood where the idea came from.

[Seleya_LL]

Soltana wrote...
[...]
But with what I know about allergies (admittedly not too much, again, I'm no biologist), I agree it's bad (but creative and potentially hilarious) biology.
[...]

I didn't care so much about the theory behind, but about the effects in-game - no sudden death or med-bay visits for Shepard, but a great conversation with Mordin For that alone I'd take (bio-)logical mistakes any time.

About "sweet" - uh, context? Eh, forget it, I probably don't want to know anyway. Wild guess without any knowledge about whatever says "dextro --> dextrose --> sugar --> sweet", but that was probably not the logic behind ^^
Edit: To clarify: That's not biological reasoning, but playing around with words, no pseudo-science intended.

Modifié par Seleya_LL, 07 juillet 2012 - 11:09 .

[flippedeclipse]

I just googled the mountain dew joke. Oh man lol. Before my time, but that's funny.

Its fanon, basically people mixed up dextrose, which is a sugar found in artificial sweeteners, with dextro-amino proteins. The former has nothing to do with the latter, other than the fact that Garrus' and Tali's food would taste really sweet and have no carbs for humans.

Edit: I worded that bad. There is a relation between dextro amino acids and dextrose, but all it really comes down to is that humans evolved differently and can't process either, which is why dextrose is 0 calories.

Modifié par flippedeclipse, 07 juillet 2012 - 11:24 .

[RogueMumei]

flippedeclipse wrote...

I just googled the mountain dew joke. Oh man lol. Before my time, but that's funny.

Its fanon, basically people mixed up dextrose, which is a sugar found in artificial sweeteners, with dextro-amino proteins. The former has nothing to do with the latter, other than the fact that Garrus' and Tali's food would taste really sweet and have no carbs for humans.

Edit: I worded that bad. There is a relation between dextro amino acids and dextrose, but all it really comes down to is that humans evolved differently and can't process either, which is why dextrose is 0 calories.

I remember the mountain dew thing! And I remember the banners for it too.  I don't think it's actually fanon, I thought it was just a joke, something that you could throw in your headcanon for the lols. But I guess I was wrong about that...

[flippedeclipse]

^^^ don't go on what I say about fanon/canon stuff, I'm relatively new to the fandom

[BP93]

*an Ashley fan enters* Don't shoot!

I started a femshep playthrough a little over a week ago for the sole purpose of doing a control ending and it was an imported save from ME2 that I forgot all about and subsequently neglected, I didn't even remember who I romanced so that should tell you all you need to know. lol

Turns out it was Garrus, so I just said what the hell and said yes to him to continue the relationship after I got him back from Menae (my first thought when he brought it up was "oh, so it was you?). I did the Citadel date yesterday night and it was all sorts of awesome, even the dirty joke about femshep being good at "other things"...

The Garrus love helps ease the pain off of this playthrough, as I did the unthinkable and left Ashley on Virmire for this Shepard (don't ask why, I was either naive/drunk/both)... =(

Modifié par BP93, 08 juillet 2012 - 12:06 .

[Suspire]

I don't like the allergy thing a lot either. I didn't take Mordin very seriously, think he was just trying to scare me XD (and it was like... the single best moment in a video game for me. I laughed for 10 minutes.) Pretty much what Soltana said (btw, it doesn't have to be "accidentally" lol :> ). I mean I don't know why you'd have to go with the anaphylatic shock option or even the allergic reaction. But if an autor thinks it improves the story, or just wants to write about it, then I understand. (or if it's for the lulz)
(edit: oh btw, the purring, not a big fan, cause of the whole cat thing that I don't get at all, I DON'T GET AT ALL, but still I don't mind, the clawing...?, er I think just a little, accidental, ever since I read about how sharp they are.. and ok I'm kinda kinky)

I thought the thing in the beginning wasn't that they tasted like sugar, but that some people were arguing Bioware was wrong cause we consume dextro stuff and don't get sick, because of the whole dextrose/sugar thing (that I have no idea about, and have no idea if it was serious). Someone actually explained how sugar was made or something. (also have no idea how correct or off it was) But then the jokes came out... XD I never was very involved in the fandom though so it might have happened differently.

And I think you mean turians are the link between reptiles and birds, not based off of birds? (Unless I'm missing new info, in which case, sorry.) Which is something I couldn't imagine before, but then I found out Jurassic Park was all wrong cause they found out a lot of dinossaurs had feathers. Lol. (I think they look cooler without them glad turians don't have them)

edit: BP93, I wish I drank, it'd make playing ME3 easier for me.

Modifié par Suspire, 08 juillet 2012 - 12:37 .

[Soltana]

Well I know a while back, someone on the Tali thread made an interesting...analysis of Tali's and therefore dextro chemical makeup. It was a whole lot of science (that may have gone just a wee bit too far) but the final conclusion was that dextro-amino...erm...tissue (oh god there is no classy way to word this lol) would more than likely have a sweet taste for us humans. Thus the jokes, the Mountain Dew debauchery, etc. If I can find that post, i'll have to share it. It's...something else.

And Suspire, you know what they say...a lady never spits...

>:3

[Tyrium]

A lot of dinosaurs could be classified as birds, and a lot as reptiles, and some as both or intermediates. Birds and reptiles are remarkably similar, it's insane! They even share the same ZW sex determination system (males are homozygous, females are heterozygous - the opposite of mammals).

Reptiles tend to be cold blooded, and birds are usually warm blooded, but I always saw Garrus as being cold-blooded. To me, that would explain his troubles with cold, and living on a warm planet suiting him.

I'm an evolutionary biologist, (in undergrad, these days I'm a biotechnologist) I'm just playing the speculation game here

Modifié par Tyrium, 08 juillet 2012 - 12:43 .

[Suspire]

I should have said "aren't they based on like the link between t-rex and a chicken".
I was reading up on it on wikipedia a few months ago, though I fail at all the terms so I only got the gist of it it was a little sad though. Dinosaurs are just necessarily up in the scale of cool for me. Birds by definition aren't as cool. T-Rex. Chicken. T-Rex. Chicken. Come on :[]
I could never imagine how they'd link... reptile mouth full of teeth to beaks. So I like what BW did for their faces, like it's halfway there, while still being more alien and not something you could possibly find on Earth. And looking like a skull. Skulls are sexy.
I'm sorry, still feel sleep deprived...

Wouldn't he having cold blood mean he'd have to sit around in the sun and would go on a semi-paralysis state or something when in the cold? (*has no idea what she's talking about, feel free to laugh*)

@Soltana hohoho

[RogueMumei]

You all are making me so curious about the warm/cold blooded thing! I had never even thought about that until you all brought it up. I know BSN is for lots of speculations from everybody™[/b] , but now I want to know the official (canon) answer. I've always found the different species codex entries to be lacking.  And this seems like something that would be mentioned naturally at some point anyway.

Edit: Aw sheeet, totp! I'm going to post this queensimia pic from tumblr that everyone and their mom has already seen because I am bad at this.

Modifié par RogueMumei, 08 juillet 2012 - 01:30 .