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Soltana

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Suspire wrote...

While we're on the subject though.. well I'm not sure if it's ok to ask... does anyone draw/write turians without an internal..organ? I'd want to know. It weirds me out cause it makes me think of animals.. like horsies. I get slight bestiality feels, so I just try to ignore the subject.


I thought I was the only one!! Aaaw yeah, +1 for team DANGLY BITS!

Ok, wow, I never thought I'd ever say/type that in a sentence. I regret nothing. :whistle:

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Thanks you guys :3 I thoroughly enjoy QueenSimia's stuff :B but maybe because I'm a pervert aw...

There's been a couple of times where I've been worried (lightly) about finding Garrus so damn attractive, even sexually, just because I can think of a couple of animals he reminds me of. But in reality, animals can be beautiful or handsome but that doesn't mean we want to do them XD Having similar traits does not make the person or thing. Atleast this is what I have concluded to.

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Sorael.A wrote...

Thanks you guys :3 I thoroughly enjoy QueenSimia's stuff :B but maybe because I'm a pervert aw...

There's been a couple of times where I've been worried (lightly) about finding Garrus so damn attractive, even sexually, just because I can think of a couple of animals he reminds me of. But in reality, animals can be beautiful or handsome but that doesn't mean we want to do them XD Having similar traits does not make the person or thing. Atleast this is what I have concluded to.

YUS B)

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Hahahahah team dangly bits XDD
It's a feeling I can't help... but yeah. Never thought I'd bring it up here, though now dangly bits turians is on my to-draw list (now that I put the image in my brain I remembered I've seen it done before). Seems another fan preference/interpretation thing.

left side of my brain aint working, I must go watch reruns of Big Bang Theory and Friends and get some damn sleep o7

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Suspire wrote...

I've seen that around but... uhh not my type of art style I guess. I do like porny things, a bit too much... (That thread is beyond porny things, it's.. give-me-eyebleach-pls and WHY, WHY things.. don't get me wrong there's some great stuff, but there's a lot of weird ass stuff too)
But. I'm just really hard to please :/ With art much more than with writing (at least you know I'm 100% sincere when I give a compliment? It's really well drawn imo, just not my style)
While we're on the subject though.. well I'm not sure if it's ok to ask... does anyone draw/write turians without an internal..organ? I'd want to know. It weirds me out cause it makes me think of animals.. like horsies. I get slight bestiality feels, so I just try to ignore the subject.

Ah, well you did think the face in that middle panel was "funny", so I guess so. Er, I'm probably not going to be of any help to you then. My porn collection is large, but I don't seem to have the same, uh, art turn-offs as you. :lol: But I'm pretty sure that if you can't read this because of the art style you're not too into porny things. :)

As for non-sheathed peens, that's not nearly as common, but I've seen them. But I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like the websites that host them. 

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Sorael.A wrote...

*snip*
Finished!
It's also on Deviantart


Those eyes. THOSE EYES.

(I have to start drawing again.)

Wonderful job.

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Funny in that it's like her face is telling me she's so srs but at the same time not, like "here comes the joke, I will now calmly tell you" so I was laughing before the last panel.. I can't explain it really, but like her face... yeah I can't explain it

But you're right, really not too into "porn" like others are, some things scare me o3o and first it has to be 2D, then it has to look sexy to me and I'm just too picky on that, its just personal taste, takes certain things and looks to float my boat. With all art I'm picky, so... Not that I think it's all bad of course, or bad at all. Mine's on the mediocre level
I only go to hentai art sites and doujin or chan sites o.o but it's been a long time since I've looked for the prons.. been thinking of making a new accout on HF though

I can't sleep and I think I'm not making sense and rambling, someone should shoo me outa here

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Oh dear god if turians were ticklish I would never stop trying to tackle and tickle them. FFFFFF.
It's nice to see an image of Garrus all-out helplessly laughing though. Usually he's being very smooth, or very awkward.

@Sorael.A
Love his expression, and his eyes too. It's a very captivating image when rendered in sharp colours. I really like what you've done with it.

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Sorael.A wrote...

[ - picture - ]

Finished!
It's also on Deviantart


Beautiful work. Thank you very much for sharing.
Now, if you happen to have drawn the same scene, but with different lighting (as in 'warmer, less hard / cold colours'), I'll offer you a giant virtual dextro-levo cake and praise your work for the next ten posts :D

[Just kidding. But the lighting in the in-game scene really bothers me. It would have been such a great scene to 'recycle' some screenshots from otherwise.]

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Hello everyone, newbie poster here. I've been busy reading this thread for ages, I found this forum a few days ago and I wanted to know all your thoughts and feels from the time the ME3 was released so I have read all pages from 400 onwards, and it has taken a while to say the least. I must say you lot have made me laugh so much, you are all so funny, and I understand your thoughts completely.

I have played ME from the start and it's a little weird that the journey might be over, I mean for almost 10 years Mass Effect has been in my life.
The first game was great, I liked Kaiden so much, and I thought Garrus was cool and funny. But defo not dream material...then the second game happend and when Shepard made a move on him I was like :blink:, but previously she'd thrown herself and her knickers at Jacob so I thought that the implants Cerburas put in her had messed with her libido or something, so the hitting on Garrus thing was likely down to that.. But as Garrus said.."I have never considered cross-speices intercourse"... but I was curious how it would work, and I had masses of respect for Garrus (Plus Kaiden was being a total cry-baby over the whole dying thing... it's not like HE died) So I thought... yeah..I'd tap that. B) .

I was up for it (like my Shep) but when the final scene happened and Garrus was all cute and nervous... that was it... I fell in love. I had the biggest grin on my face - seeing that BAMF totally melted over my Shepard, stuttering and putting totally inapropriate music on... needing some dutch courage. I was hooked.

Then Ladies and Gents ME3 happened, when I found out the Turians were in trouble my Shep got her butt there (I'd hoped to see Garrus), when I heard his voice I smiled like a iddiot and when the hand-hold happened I was all...:o

The reunion scene made me squee like a teenager and every little scene of them, I had the biggest smile on my face - it's all so adorable. The 'get some sleep' scene made me double take, I mean all the little tipbits that Garrus kinda show Garrus likes the dirty jokes and comments make me like the guy more. That date scene... that dipkiss, I thought "Damn that guy learnt how to kiss a human FAST"

I had only just played ME3 a few weeks ago, as I had a baby recently and my sister (Who is also a huge ME fan) told me to wait till the EC came out as it would help a the broken heart you get in the game. The goodbye scene makes me tear-up now. So does the final goodby scene when Garrus gets hurt.. The memorial wall thing I wa totally not expecting and seeing Garrus like that, was heartbreaking. I chose the Control ending and my EMS was high enough for my Shepard to live. So I have blind hope atm, but like Garrus said "I hate being blind"

The scenes in ME3 are increadable, they are better than most rom-com movies I've seen. I am now totally into Garrus, I have watched the vids of all the scenes over and over and I pick up a little something all the time.. I love the little looks and touches between them, I like sexual chemisty between two people, but I adore romance between them also - it makes it more real.

For example when Garrus uses both hands to shake hers on his moon. And the fact that even Shepard rushed him and the Primach onto the Normandy - he still remembered the good wine, and even kept it in the Main Battery within easy reach - just incase he pursumed correctly... Also when he tells her to get rest "I know where you sleep". When he asks her about Krogan singing about her, and on his way back onto the bridge where Joker is, he looks at her while he walks away. I love them comforting eachother about their families and the stress of things. I love it when he takes her on that date and asks her if this is serious for them (not to mension the dipkiss and the "Ive seen you dance" comment). The love scene is delightful, yes it seems he has things on his mind (tipical man) but he's also there for moral support, and I love how he is going through her work while she is sleeping. I DID notice that during the love scene... he has no wine. So where is it - I doubt he;d drink it alone or with anyone else, so perhaps there is a deleted scene with them drinking in her cabin, as the "It seemed like you needed time to figure us out" was a little weird as I made sure my Shep talked to him all the time after every mission.

Damn... I love those two. :wub:


I have a few questions... the Traynor lady threw herself at me (in threw herself into my shower), I felt bad for her, I mean she had no toothbrush and there are no showers in the ladies toilets... I was thinking "you've got to be serious! This ship has been re-designed twice and there are still no showers?!" After she invited me into the shower with her (Which I said..hell no!) I went into the ladies... and there are three showers. <_< There is also two toilets with no doors on, so I'm guessing it is a VERY social ship, but still. Anyway my question is if you go into the shower with her, what happens to the Garrus love? Does he mension it? My husband was watching the scene as it was playing out and begged me to go into the shower with her...Perv. I said to him "No... I am faithful to Garrus" but what if you aren't.

Also Kaiden ninja'd me and told me he loved me, so I hit reload and left him sat at that cafe to order steak on his own....Stalker.

Ooops I forgot.. Hello everyone.. I am new, I love Garrus, and sorry for the long post :-)

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Welcome! Awesome to see new faces here. And long posts are fun to read. Your thoughts echo mine in a lot of aspects.

As for your question, if you hook up with Traynor in the shower, you break up with Garrus. Shame he doesn't mention you two being together AT ALL after that incident. It's like nothing happened. .__.

By the way, I'm probably late to the party but I JUST found out the "You're real, a little crazy maybe, but real" line on the Cerberus base was romance-specific. My heart melted yet again.

Modifié par Karrie788, 08 juillet 2012 - 04:27 .


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Amino_amore wrote...

[snip great summary of why Garrus is awesome and how he shows it in every possible way]

Ooops I forgot.. Hello everyone.. I am new, I love Garrus, and sorry for the long post :-)


Welcome, and thanks for the great post! I doubt anybody around here is in danger of forgetting how fantastic Garrus is, but reading it in that form made me smile once again at the wonderful romance Bioware has created.

Regarding the other romances Samantha, Kaidan, also Allers if you got her and Liara if you pick the 'wrong' dialogue choices: Beware, game mechanic and spoilers coming...

1. There are no major 'conflicts' between potential love interests in ME3. Which a) means less drama, but also B) that you get little to no warning that you are going to mess up your intended romance if you click on the wrong option.
2. At the start of the game, there are people out there in the universe who might already be or have yet to become interested in your Shepard. If you romanced Garrus in ME2, your savegame contains that information, which doesn't stop some others (Samantha, possibly Kaidan if he's still alive, Allers, Liara) to be interested in general.
3. First private meeting with 'old' love interest: In case of Garrus, it's after Menae on the Normandy. You have two options: Telling him to end the romance is final, telling him you are interested is *not* final, it does *not* count as a permanent commitment.
4. 'Locking in' a romance: After Tuchanka there's the first wave of 'dates' (Samantha with her chess match, Diana Allers with her interview), do one other mission (like the Asari monastry) and the second wave of 'dates' (Garrus's sniper contest, Kaidan's cafe scene, Liara's talk on the far side of the Presidium Commons) is available, too. There you have the option to say "yes" again. And *this* is final!
Consequence: If you had taken Samantha's invite or said "yes" to Kaidan, you would have broken up with Garrus, no other chance, no confrontation, nothing. At least that's the theory I know of, I haven't verified it myself. You can, however, say "no" to Kaidan, no harm done in that case. It's just an awkward conversation, Shepard doesn't say "dude, I love Garrus", but "not with this war, no time, sorry". 

The way I usually play: Making Samantha / Allers / Kaidan / Liara wait until my Shepard has had the date with Garrus. Then, automatically, all other conversations are changed to "friend-only" modus, i.e. Samantha doesn't ask for a shower, Kaidan doesn't speak of love etc.

So much for theory, hope I didn't bore you to death :D

Edit: Regarding your ending choice I might have to clarify something else, though you might not like it. Control essentially means sacrificing Shepard to create the Shepard AI, no matter your EMS. You don't get the "Shepard breathes" scene that way, and Garrus puts the plate onto the wall. You can, of course, headcanon anything you want, but regarding the 'canon' story, Shepard is gone and there is no reunion.
Destroy would be your ending of choice if you want the possibility of a reunion. With sufficient EMS, Garrus doesn't put the plate onto the wall, but continues holding it, looks up and 'smiles' at the end, followed by a dark scene with lots of rubble and a glimpse of Shepard's body that moves when the Commander draws breath again.

Modifié par Seleya_LL, 08 juillet 2012 - 04:34 .


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I agree, Seleya, I think a lack of "dude, I love Garrus" (or Liara/Ashley/Kaidan/Miranda etc...) dialogue option was pretty awkward, especially with Kaidan, and I wish there was an option to say something like "Nah, I didn't cheat on you with Garrus, I left you for Garrus." to Kaidan. Or Ashley with another romance option. You get it.

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Welcome Amino!

Seleya and Karrie summed up everything well, only thing I'd add is that the only person who comments about a break-up is Liara, if you romanced her in the first game and then rekindle your relationship with someone else =)

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flippedeclipse wrote...
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Seleya and Karrie summed up everything well, only thing I'd add is that the only person who comments about a break-up is Liara, if you romanced her in the first game and then rekindle your relationship with someone else =)


My main point was that there is no "big confrontation" like in ME with Liara / Kaidan or Liara / Ashley, where you get to make a final choice between two 'still availabe' options in a cut-scene.
There are other minor interactions, by the way. I have seen a video of Tali speaking to Shepard and mentioning something along the line "but you are with Kaidan now", and I have heard that, in case of a romantic conflict, the interaction between Ash and Tali *might* be different on the Geth ship. Not sure about the latter, though, never seen it myself and I could imagine that after everything that has happened, the situation might be a little tense between them without any romance-related stuff. And I suppose both Kaidan and Ashley comment during the hospital visits if you had a relationship and then chose somebody else in ME2. There are probably others as well.

By the way, the EC seems to have fixed the Kenneth / Gabby dialogues on the Normandy :)
Suppose most already noticed it, but I just saw the first interaction between them, without Ash on board. That should mean that Garrus-Tali-dialogue is active as well.

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Seleya_LL wrote...
By the way, the EC seems to have fixed the Kenneth / Gabby dialogues on the Normandy :)
Suppose most already noticed it, but I just saw the first interaction between them, without Ash on board. That should mean that Garrus-Tali-dialogue is active as well.


Really? Didn't work for me on my Kaidan playthrough.

Did with Ash's though, even after her death on the Citadel.

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New to the thread too, but have enjoyed reading it for awhile now. I have to say Garrus is my fav LI for Shep. In the ME 1, if you help him with his issues on playing loose and fast on the job and with his mission with the Dr, he tells her he doesn't think he has ever met anyone like her before, which I like to think is were he begins to somewhat fall for Shep. He is always loyal, unlike many of the LI's in the games seem to question Shep's motives and choices, he is the one she can always turn too and not get reamed over it too. He is her loyal friend, her moral supporter, her companion/partner and lover. Hell, what woman wouldn't what someone like him? Oh and he has an awesome voice too ;)

When I 1st started playing ME, I chose Kaidan for my LI just because I think Asari and the whole black eye mating think is creepy, plus I really have no desire to see a blue chick climbing up my Shep's body,lol. But once I did I realized I really don't like Kaidan. ( Mind you on the one play through I did do with Shep romancing him all 3 games and never cheat, cracked me up when you accept him back on the Normandy and take time to scope out his butt as he turns to walk away). He is whiny and is always questioning Shep's actions all the time. Plus his BS on Horizon just made me want to shoot him in the knee before leaving the planet. During that play through though I realized how much I really love Garrus. So take 2 was with him as her only LI and no previous LI in ME1. I will admit I am very much drawn to Thane too as he is a very deep and attractive character too, but you know he is going to die soon and with everything that is riding on Shep, I wanted to have a romance with someone who would be there for her from beginning to end (as I never expected to see him in the 3rd game and while it is somewhat endearing, it is short and leaves her alone when she will need someone the most).

As far as the Alien thing? I think one thing they got right big time is his eyes. They are so friggin expressive! I am a sucker for great eyes in real life, so I shouldn't be surprised his got me in gamer life too,lol. But seriously, there is something about him that just really ropes you in. I still find the whole human/alien mating thing a bit strange, but its pretty easier to forget about it with how they made his personality. But on the flip side, it kind ticks me off that they always have indepth sexual experiences in the games for humans and humanoids, but not for anything else. Would of been such a big deal to have Shep on his lap and he picks her up and carries her to bed like Kaidan did? Or showed them sleeping together under her blanket like, again with Kaidan? Why is it OK to show some fairly hot love scene's (ahem *Liara*) with humans/ humanoids, but to show something more then a quick kiss with a Turian isn't? And we already know there are plenty out there would would love to know what he looks like with no top (and some more then that!) on too.

But anyway, since I have been lurking and reading on here for awhile now, I wanted to post and say, Heck yeah, Garrus rocks!

But overall, I agree with so many others on here I have read that Garrus is the only LI for a Female Shep to have.

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Welcome to the thread!

Poor Kaidan. I have to make a playthrough in which I stay faithful to him. I like the character, but as a LI, I always think the other options are more exciting.

As for the romance scene, I love Garrus's, even if we didn't get a more... graphic scene. The dialogue was perfect, every gesture was perfect. I'm okay with it, won't say I'd be disappointed if we *did* get something more detailled... Garrus is not the only one to suffer from such a treatment though. Tali, Steve and Samantha (whom I just romanced and who was cute as hell through the entire thing) also got a very... simple scene, to say the least.

But the shower scene was just weird.

Btw, I know we've talked about it a lot of pages back, but I like to hear you guys' thoughts (plus I'm in a rainbow and puppies kind of mood): when did your Shep realize she was in love with Garrus?

Modifié par Karrie788, 08 juillet 2012 - 06:42 .


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Amino_amore wrote...

the Traynor lady threw herself at me (in threw herself into my shower), I felt bad for her, I mean she had no toothbrush and there are no showers in the ladies toilets... I was thinking "you've got to be serious! This ship has been re-designed twice and there are still no showers?!" After she invited me into the shower with her (Which I said..hell no!) I went into the ladies... and there are three showers. <_< 


LOL I never knew that! That conniving (but adorable) wench. 


And agreed, Karrie, that shower scene was just...well I have no words. ಠ_ಠ

But to answer your question, my Shep had a little crush on Garrus way back in ME1. But it wasn't until ME2 when she realized that even though two years had gone by and her squad had time to heal and move on, Garrus was the one who was more than glad to say "F**k yeah, you're back. Let's ride to the gates of Hell. And it will be awesome. *hatershades*" (I'm paraphrasing). And then the rocket to the face. She felt so alone, practically a prisoner in this terrorist organization surrounded by people she didn't know or trust. Then she finds Garrus, the go-to guy to watch her back, but is about to lose him again, maybe for good? Yeah, it was about then she realized it was a little more than a crush. It just took some drinking with Chakwas for her to finally broach the subject...but she was never one for tact.

I HAVE SO MANY FEELINGS RIGHT NOW!

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Karrie788 wrote...

Seleya_LL wrote...
By the way, the EC seems to have fixed the Kenneth / Gabby dialogues on the Normandy :)
Suppose most already noticed it, but I just saw the first interaction between them, without Ash on board. That should mean that Garrus-Tali-dialogue is active as well.


Really? Didn't work for me on my Kaidan playthrough.

Did with Ash's though, even after her death on the Citadel.


You have to try and recruit them as early as possible because sometimes you won't get to their final conversation before the earth mission.

Also Traynor didn't say there wasn't any showers just that the ones provided sucked.

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Karrie788 wrote...

Welcome to the thread!

Poor Kaidan. I have to make a playthrough in which I stay faithful to him. I like the character, but as a LI, I always think the other options are more exciting.

As for the romance scene, I love Garrus's, even if we didn't get a more... graphic scene. The dialogue was perfect, every gesture was perfect. I'm okay with it, won't say I'd be disappointed if we *did* get something more detailled... Garrus is not the only one to suffer from such a treatment though. Tali, Steve and Samantha (whom I just romanced and who was cute as hell through the entire thing) also got a very... simple scene, to say the least.

But the shower scene was just weird.

Btw, I know we've talked about it a lot of pages back, but I like to hear you guys' thoughts (plus I'm in a rainbow and puppies kind of mood): when did your Shep realize she was in love with Garrus?


Garrus is definitely THE male LI choice for FemShep.  romance progression is probably the most well-written one in ME3, so I wasn't too worked up about the relatively short romance scene before Cronos.  I agree it could've still lingered on for a little longer though.

As for Traynor, I'd like to point out that she didn't necessarily *throw* herself at FemShep in the shower.  She was invited to use her shower in the first place.  Y'all could've just skipped the shower option altogether and opt for the chess game instead.  =]

With that said, I love Traynor and all (see banner lol), but I felt the shower scene came on too quickly.  They should've had the chess game night first.  And THEN allow the shower scene to take place later on in the game.

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Karrie788 wrote...


Btw, I know we've talked about it a lot of pages back, but I like to hear you guys' thoughts (plus I'm in a rainbow and puppies kind of mood): when did your Shep realize she was in love with Garrus?


My Shep realised she was in love with Garrus when she was under lock and key :P. For that 6 months they were apart, she had a lot of time to think and she did tell Garrus she'd thought about him. I think she realised that there was something there, and through ME3 her feelings grew much stronger. She respected him, then liked him, but then she REALLY liked him - and then she loved him.

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Heh, I agree about Traynor. I *loved* her romance, but just as much as I'm pretty much put off by the beginning of Garrus's romance in ME2, the shower scene was weird. Especially if you step in there with her.

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Karrie788 wrote...

Btw, I know we've talked about it a lot of pages back, but I like to hear you guys' thoughts (plus I'm in a rainbow and puppies kind of mood): when did your Shep realize she was in love with Garrus?


With romantic love I would have to say shortly after the collecter base, probably right before or after I do the Arrival mission. I say romantic love because she's loved Garrus as a friend way before that. She became interested in him after Horizen, he defended her afterall. Not to mention he's the only one in the beginning who asked how Shepard was doing where as everyone else seemed to believe that she was holding hands with TIM and singing friendship songs. He's the only one in the crew who seems to worry that 'hey, Shepard died and was brought back to life by a terrorist organization simply to defeat the Reapers, maybe she might be feeling something about it'.

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InannaAthanasia wrote...
[...]
But anyway, since I have been lurking and reading on here for awhile now, I wanted to post and say, Heck yeah, Garrus rocks!

But overall, I agree with so many others on here I have read that Garrus is the only LI for a Female Shep to have.


Welcome! It's nice to see so many new or returning faces (so to speak). And it's nice, too, to see so much activity on this thread. I always find it kind of sad to see it close to or already on the second page.

About the point where my Shepard started to love Garrus: For my canon Shepard and her sister-in-spirit, it would be the moment after his recruitment mission when he had her back despite Cerberus. Then there's Horizon, where he defended her, that was another important moment for her. And perhaps the moment after the loyalty mission (paragon route). My third (and last) Garrus-romancing Shepard really started to love him somewhere after Menae. She trusted and respected him before, found him attractive, too, but it was the constant support he provided in ME3 that really won her heart.

Regarding Samantha: I haven't tried her romance yet, since I haven't even started my existing ME2 romance playthroughs. Three times Garrus, one time Jacob --> Kaidan (mainly to try out some renegade options), but I'll definitely start another FShep for her. Though, to be fair, the 'lock-in scene' with the possibility to offer her the shower bothered me a little when I saw the option on-screen. From there on, Sam usually had to wait with the game night until the intended romance was locked-in.

Edit: ToP already?! Fine. Personal headcanon regarding the Destroy ending following again.

Shepard is found on the Citadel,
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and brought to a hospital where her wounds are treated.
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She waits for news on the Normandy while she recovers,
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and when the ship returns to Earth some weeks later, she'll see Garrus again
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and both of them will never be alone again.
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Modifié par Seleya_LL, 08 juillet 2012 - 08:41 .